Scammers and suspect Agencies

[TheArrow]

Bruno - Bruno. Do not worry alot about that man - that person has many complexes so he tries to blame all women in general. May be a visit to a special  doctor could help him.

[Kvinna]

If you are really a man, don't be afraid... show who you are, give your real name... in my country, a people like you is named a "corbeau" : false accussation without any evidence and with the cover of anonyma... this is prohibith by our law... you can find very good hospital for you, specialy the psychiatric section... 

 

Such men are named a scammer hunter and usual they are blacklisted on our antidate

though have to say we also have a lot of claims on all those sites he posted here

[Kevin]

I though I might jump in because I'm on Jim Gold list even though I have never meet Jim in Person I have email him many times.

I won't comment on who Jim recommend or don't recommend because I don't have all of the facts. Some of the sites that he recommend I agree with.   I can comment on the Gold list and anti-scam sites in general

As far as cost. I was first listed for Free for quite a long time. But I know that life isn't free and there is cost involved in running a site. The only sites that I know are advertiser free is RWD and my site honestmarriageagencies.com the rest of the site have to generate some income to operated.  So for starters the myth that Jim charges $300 a month isn't true. Jim does ask for a donation and it is around $20 a month.  I do make a yearly donation to support his site and it does go to a Canada Address. The reason I support his site is because it does provide information that is useful.  Like all sites they should be used as "information" only and you must verify any information before using it as fact.  It is very difficult to run any form of an anti-scam site because of legal actions and threats. So I support quite a few of them. But a donation request of $20 isn't much.  Most of the web sites charge for Advertisement in the $200-$300 a month range.  Google charges me $150-$200 and Yahoo isn't fare behind.

When I evaluate an anti-scam site I look at the database more then who is advertising and who isn't.  If I see some recommend sites I put them on my list and check other sites. If every site said they same I give the agency some credit. If I get a mix response I do some research. But we have to understand that all sites need to generate money in order to function and should weigh this into the site and what agencies they recommend. 

Felice, I've come to recognize your posting style.  You've notice that you lost some creditability in your posting because you are using other blacklist sites as evidence while attacking another blacklist site. Like I've told you in the past you need to show evidence in your research instead of quoting other sites.  You do a great job of researching the Internet. And you are a great source to when it comes to finding out the background on an agency. But you need to verify your sources first.  And where did you come up with the name Felice?   Also by hiding your identity from others you don't' get the respect of those who post in the open.  You should use your first name and post your email address so you can develop a history for the readers.  Otherwise they are going to think you are another agency posting just to attack your competitor.

Anyway I hope this helps by providing a point of view from one of the agency on Jim Gold list.

Thanks

Kevin hayes

[Felice]

Gentlemen bussiness owners, I have no agency, I don't earn money with dating.

I had more than 100 vieuwers each day. Dating and scamming is not my bussiness, but yours. I did never plan to post anywhere.

After confronting Honest Jim that he saw Bogdan as bride and president in her own scamagency, he did star to scall me: SHIT.

I did make clear who blacklists are, their goal, I made clear who you are. My job is over because I never ever wanted to publish. Farewell Friends.

[Felice]

Dan you can delete my profile, others can go on or not, it never was my bussiness it will never be

[Fiorella]

All antiscam sites must be closed! They are scammers themselves and their activity violate laws of their own countries. For example, that antiscam.net  - the first what we see on their site it is screaming " GIVE US MONEY!" What do they call women who ask for money? And now how we can call themselves?

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How can anyone be sure where go this money? For the site or for Saul's wife could have some extra fun? 100$/month! Not so bad! Lot of hosters offer hosting plans for 5-10$/month with full service! What is that if not a scam??? Make some money from paranoics and have fun!

[TheArrow]

All antiscam sites must be closed! They are scammers themselves and their activity violate laws of their own countries. For example, that antiscam.net  - the first what we see on their site it is screaming " GIVE US MONEY!" What do they call women who ask for money? And now how we can call themselves?


[align=left]$100.00

Due Date:
  Apr 30

Gross Amount:
$0.00

Net Balance:
$0.00

Left to go:
$100.00[/align]
How can anyone be sure where go this money? For the site or for Saul's wife could have some extra fun? 100$/month! Not so bad! Lot of hosters offer hosting plans for 5-10$/month with full service! What is that if not a scam??? Make some money from paranoics and have fun!

 

. OMG!!!! Saul's wife...... maybe she can't forget her previous job - scammering? Coz now they seem aka "legal scammers".

[Bruno]

Gentlemen bussiness owners, I have no agency, I don't earn money with dating.

I had more than 100 vieuwers each day. Dating and scamming is not my bussiness, but yours. I did never plan to post anywhere.

After confronting Honest Jim that he saw Bogdan as bride and president in her own scamagency, he did star to scall me: SHIT.

I did make clear who blacklists are, their goal, I made clear who you are. My job is over because I never ever wanted to publish. Farewell Friends.

For someone who have never wanted to publish/post, you are not bad... start two topic, write kilometer of text... what have happen if you have wish post :?

Where you had more of 100 viewers day... was you the owner of a site ?

About the owner of agency they place itself on his site, i have already explain that it is not a problem... it is the best way for find someone... because you certainly trust your own agency

Farewell ? like we say in French : "les rats quittent le navire en premier quand il coule"

 

[Felice]

Bruno, Tom Boone did win He was an ancient Flandrien, but why do you answer?You know nothing have to bring nothing as most of you Gentlmen Agency-owners have nothingh to amuse yourself by tallking bull.

Where is this about, it is about scam. Scam is crime. Dating-cam is when men pay for something what is not available for them. So agencies like www.1st-international.com who tell in their Lugansk profles: Be carefull: This is a Lugansk profile, we did hear thart these profiles are extremely dangerous. Why do they do that? Because alll thse profiles are really scammewrs. These guys Art Gratchev and his companion Gregory Yarmosh (available for Spanish translations) don't they scam enough?

Anyway, they sell hundreds of Lugansk scamprofiles with warning, but in their other agencies they do not warn for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suckers!!!! I told them about scammer Miriam from Moscow (No Bruno I did not write her!!!!!!!!)  They told we met this girl, she cannot be a scammer, I did not find her myself as scammer but my fomer pal at scamprotection@yahoo.com did. He said all profiles in Matchdoctor with profilesas: bokbokb loklokk cikcikc dordord meomelm mirmirm are scammers. He never gave hard evidence, but I dsid believe him.

I saw mirmirm This was NUMBER ONE girl in www.1st-international.com As his security-master Yarmosh allreadsy promised to delte scammers but never did, I rtold Gratchev your time iss up. I got 3 virusses sent to me by Gratchev. I did tell to all blacklists: Mr. Gratchev did send me 3 virusses bit did refuse to delete scammer mirmirm also active in Bulgaria. Next dat NUMBER ONE'S profile Miriam from Moscow scamming during years as their NUMBER ONE LADY in www.1st-international.com had gone. Guess why. Now they still have this person in their banner fromtheir other site Natasha Club.

Untill now, the best joke I ever heard is told by Saul Hudson: Do you know who I am: i amrecommended by Elenas Models!!! yes Saul for 50% affilates.!!!!!!

[Bruno]

Bruno, Tom Boone did win He was an ancient Flandrien, but why do you answer?You know nothing have to bring nothing as most of you Gentlmen Agency-owners have nothingh to amuse yourself by tallking bull.

Where is this about, it is about scam. Scam is crime. Dating-cam is when men pay for something what is not available for them.

First, owner of agency know more about all this that yourself... they see it from own eyes each days... yourself, you think that all publish on the internet is true... you don't verify somethink...

Second, i have make my own site because i was not happy of the actual agency... it is only my homepage... not a business... and i think that my method for fight the bad agency is better that your method...

Now, about scam :

"A confidence trick, confidence game, or con for short (also known as a scam) is an attempt to intentionally mislead a person or persons (known as the mark) usually with the goal of financial or other gain. Some confidence tricks exploit the inherent greed and dishonesty of their victims; it has been said by confidence tricksters that it is impossible to con a completely honest man. " Wikipedia

Not only man are scammed... when man promise date a woman only for sex when these woman have ask for marriage... it is a scam... Several woman are listed like scammer because the agency was scamming, because she have not find the man interesting enough for continue the relation with him, because someone have use his photo for a scam, ...

And you make big generalisation... about Lugansk, a big group was actif sometime ago but it don't mean that all woman are scammer... it is like when a murder happen in New-York, i say that all people from NY are criminel...

[Felice]

I see that Kevin had before in his article from khersongirls 14 replies to tell abouthis fight with real scammer John Briar from Kherson Brides where Kevin is an honest but expensive bussiness. Kevin's boring article which nobody wanted to read is now nearly leading. I am not going to discuss anything withKevin, we said all what had to be said, so Kevin don't answer me, explain your case with Briar. You have been banned last weekwithyour article fromRW Guide from corrupt Forest Spencer because he wants scamagency Khersonvrides to advertise. Don't you know that?

Kevin our discussion is closed. Bruno I am not a scamhunter, I did research after scamming. I do not write to girls with the reason to report them, I could have let listed thousands, I brought in 5 during several years, I got out of blacklists two.

What I do really mean is that agencies must put pressure on the American government to act against scamming. How? Block them to come withtheir sites in USA, let them pay, put them in jail. What is happening now is: There are blacklists who do earn money by recommending agencies ot themselves, blacklist other agencies because they are real scamagencies or concurrents or simply because they do not answer like Agencyscams does do.

In Agencyscams is blacklisted www.freepersonals.ru for the simple reason that they have a big banner fromAnastasia Web. In Honest Marriage Agencies women.kiev.ua has a search engine leading to anastasiaWeb, why being so hypocrit Jim not to blacklist them? www.freepersonals.ru is not my site but I searched this site. It is totally free, has a very low amount of lugansk profiles, do blacklist all reportedscammers. I did look in their whole data-base, did reort all men running in the women's data-base, all escort-girls, all listed scammers, all Lugansk Profiles. They did nearly delete all. Not all but most of all.

jim does really fool the world, he does tell good things too. He tells that the luganskscam-mafiafrom lugansk does also use the cities around lugansk-city to act as if their scammers are not fromLugansk. he does mentiona lot of these cities used by the Lugansk scam-mafia around Lugansk-city but in Lugansk-province. Indeed jim all profiles from Lugansk/ luhansk (the Russian name for Lugansk), lutigino, Luhanskoe, alchevsk (not Ilyichevsk near Odessa), Antratsit, Schastie is Scastye, Krasnodon (not Krasnodar), Donbass, Severodonetsk (not Donets), Rovenki (near Lugansk not Rovenki near Donetsk), Stahanov, these are all scammers Agencyscams does tell. He is right, they all are.

The girls themselves are no scammers but the ones leading the correspondence is all Lugansk scam-mafia. There are nowhere such beautiful girls as in Lugansk, so wanting to meet them go there. There are some honest agencies in Lugansk, for sure Lugan Girl, Tender Beauty, another one named ??? and possible an American having an ad in www.russian-scam.org Maybe Swans buit they are parasitic.

All others including www.2oceansoflove.com led by blacklisted scammer Anna Bogdan part of Angelika Network are all scam. Jim does know that, but against better knowing he willingly does recommend these scamprofiles.

What about the Lugansk profiles in A Pretty Woman in www.1st-international.com in A Foreign Affair in A Special Lady and others. They are all scam,even when they will never ask money. selling a bull profile like the agencies mentioned above is allready scam itself. They expect presents, get money from their sold adresses. This does continue during years in a country where the income is 100$ a month.

In Matchdoctor were two years ago from Lugansk alone 1200 Lugansk scammers active. Whole scamagency www.lifeinlove.com is there running.Nowadays still more Lugansk scammers do run there. Some tell to be from Voroshilovgrad. Does somebody know whichcity is Voroshilovgrad? This is the old name from Lugansk about 50 years ago. I think this are profile from scamagency Life in Love bringinging them in as being from Voroshilovgrad.So from Lugansk: DO STAY AWAY, it is all scam. Wanting to meet a Lugansk girl, book a trip to Lugansk, they are cute the girls there.

So recommending Matchdoctor as working together with Agencyscams to delete scammersis 100% bull and nonsense, Matchdoctor does delete nothing as warning-profiles and Jim does never report on scammer to Matchdoctor.

For thee reasons I say blacklists better do not believe them in their recommended agencies, they all preach for their own church, they recommend their own agency or the ones paying them or having an affiliate-program, they are ALL BULL!

[Felice]

Matchdoctor does delete two kind of profiles. The profiles reported by scammers to Matchdoctor. When scammers find warning-profiles about themselves and Matchdoctor finds them, they delete these profiles. matchdoctor doesalso delete the Nigerian scammers.Here I say again, there is a task for the Bush government to punish the Nigerian Government.

There are Nigerian scammers running in Matchdoctor, they often tell to be honest!! they claim to be from any country, these scammers Matchdoctor does delete but their thousands of Lugansk scammers. NEVER!!!!!!!!!

Last Nigerian scammer who approached me in Matchdoctor told to be Jason Mazoon, he was seriously ill, had lived like a beast, had still 6 months to live, was extremely rich, had hois money on a bank-deposit and wanted to give his money to charity and 15% for you.

He did send a copy from the deposit anda photo from a white man with red hair behinda computer and infuses inhis arms!!!! That is LOL, I had to contact a man in Great Britain withyahoo.co.uk adress.

i said jason send a copy fromyour passport and your Buddy inEngland too. never heard from them again.

Do never give these scammers promising millions yoour real adress, do never go to Nigeria, they poisson you and cooperate with banks.

They often find your adress when you sign a guestbook. Do never use your real e-mailadress signing in gueastbooks on internet. Create a yahoo adres but best do never signany guestbook. They do fight each other too. Once they find a guest-book they leave an e-mail there containing the word mugu (mugu does mean stupid man, the victim is the stupid man) they say gayman or gaymen (This is a clever man who does fool you) He can tell his location as ndigbo (Than he is from the area around Lagos in Nigera)

 

So do asearch by Google for: mugu Than for: Gayman or ndigbo

You will find in guesrtbooks many advertisements as: Gayman ... I like it hereOthers can be Gayman@Gaynman.com or Guyman Steve stay outttttttttttttt!

Such bull you will find, it does mean all adresses are under control of the Nigerian scam-mafia and tyou will get their adresses.Don't believe me? Find a guestbook, do sign in, in some days later they promise you millions of dollars. believing them you loose your money or even life

[Felice]

Best scam-jokes which I did ever hear:

1) Elena Petrova writing a book: How to find and marry a girl like me and www.antiscam.neet promoting it for 50% affilates program, Jim from agencyscams being jealous fighting Saul (Please Elena do write a book: How to avoid to marry a girl like me, publish it in Rw Guide from your corrupt partner Forest Spencer).

2) Saul Hudson from www.antiscam.net asking me: Do you know, who I am? I am recommended by Elena Petrova (with her site Elenas Models and her poor quality data-base , except some bikini-girls from Kiev) What did they cost Elena? The rest not much?

3) art Gratchev from www.1st-international.com telling: our security-officer (Gregory Yarmosh) does not check profiles but credit-card numbers.

4) Julia Grindle from  A Special Lady telling: we did not sell the ticket to agency-scammer Julia Slepihina (reported un http://uaprofiler.com at report under Julia Slepuhina, this did scamagency www.bride.ru do

5) Steve Lang had before a site also called European Connections together with AFA, Absolute Agency and Friendfinder. I found a well-busted beautiful girl in his site having a profile too in scamagency www.2oceansoflove.com after seeing 2 identical photoo's: These are not the same girls!! Sorry, Steve?? After jeff Hoon (Minister in Great Britain did tell, I will tell it to Guiseppe bellini), steve wrote: dear Mr. jeffrey, you are right, she does only cause problems. I didn't know that, he told. after that her profile was silently deleted from Elenas Models.

6) oksana Cook from Angelika Network with their scamprofile rk6722 being Olga Frankovskaya member of scamagency www.2ocenasoflove.com member of Swans, former member ofscamagency www.lifeinlove.com as Id 300 with this profile Life in Love does still scam as olga_Fr300 in Matchdoctor. misses Cook said, rk6722 is no scamprofile, we are not related to that scam-site from Jim.

Will be continued.

[Jack]

Honest Jim since you asked me not to write you directly anymore, I will write you here, as I know you and anyone who wants to know the truth about the in's and out's of the pursuit for a Russian bride, as well as real scam's and scammers, read the site daily.
 
From Honest Jim on Monday, April 4th to Bruno,....
 
Bruno,

   Thanks again for your help. The guy doing the attacking is A guy named Thomas from the Netherlands. He is mad because I have 2oceansoflove on my site.
 
From Honest Jim on Sunday, April 3rd to Dan,....
 
Dan,

 It's OK, after reading Felice's posts, I know it is Jack Bragg. He is mad because I won't put him on my Gold List.
 
Whoaaaa, Honest Jim, you KNOW Felica is Jack Bragg on Sunday and within 24 hours now Felice is Thomas!!  What goes Honest Jim? How credible are your statements. Were you lying to Bruno, or to Dan?
 
And Honest Jim, what is this that anyone who says anything negative about you must be mad at you?
 
Honest Jim I have caught you in two previous lies, I guess this is the third.
I am mad at you because you won't put me on your Gold List???
Honest Jim, you said you WOULD put me glad to add me to your Goldlist, as you have said you have recommended my agency in the past, I have the e-mails from you to prove it. And for only $20! Jim if I wanted to be on your Goldlist, I could have, and for only $20 a month. As much respect as I have for Kevin, and we do disagree with some things, unlike Kevin and the rest of your Gold Listed members, I refuse to pay someone to say I am a good and honest agency. You don't pay for this type recommendation Honest Jim, you earn it. And this is what I found to be so distasteful about you and your site.
 
I think Dan summed up you up pretty well Honest Jim with his statement .....
 
While I respect his decision to stay off the board, his feigned excuses and lack of ability to be forthright are qualities I normally find in people of low integrity and honesty.
 
Honest Jim, this is a discussion board whose guys offer real advice and from guys who have been there and done it. Guys who try to share helpful information in hopes of helping others from being scammed and whose opinions and thoughts can't be bought or deleted. I think you had best stick to Russian discussion boards that might recommend your way of doing business, looks like it won't fly around here.
 
 
 
 
 

[Kevin]

Wow, time for me to post again with some facts and comments.

I do pay Jim $20 a month for banner advertisement on his site. I believe I have 3-4 banners on his site active today. I am also a recommend agency on his list.  Is $20 a lot for advertisement. No, on Rwguide I had to pay $100-$200 a month. Google $150-$300 and Yahoo $100-$200 a month. So let forget about the advertisement fee's on some sites. The credibility of any anti-scam site  has to be place on the data presented on the site. My site is recommend on Jim site but blacklisted on [user=184]Kvinna[/user] site. As an agency owner I weight the strength of these sites. Jim site has document scams, antidate has a list of just about every agency in the internet on there blacklist.

The posting seem to be dealing with a site on Jim list that Thomas(felice) doesn't approve on based on internet searches. If thomas use the same criteria and believe the site created by khersonbrides web site then my site wouldn't quality either. What I am trying to say is second hand information can not and should not be used to judge any web site or agency.  Let hear from a client.

As for thomas (felice) attack on Jim site.  It is being driven by thomas findings on other site. No first hand information or proof. Just searches on google.  Keeping in mind my agency falls prey quite often to false sites. I do not give thomas any credit against Jim site because it is a based on here-say. Even though other have complained to me about ocean2love in the past I still haven't heard any first hand stories from clients of this agency.

I don't see how this thread is going to end. Everytime Jim sites get attacks my reputation get attacks because I have banner advertisement on his site.  If someone can show me proof that ocean2love is a scam agency and has first hand proof (not a internet search) I would insist that Jim either remove there agency or my agency from his list. But until that time I don't see any positive outcome from these posting other then basing between posters.

Jim, I believe Jack site should be listed as a reputable agency on you site. The have a good history and I presonally recommend them quite often. I also do not believe that any site should be remove unless some proof is given that they have commited a scam or a complaint is provided by a client. 

Thomas(felice) you need to stop posting under false names and using the internet as a bible. Too often agencies, ladies and men have negative posting that need to be verified. The witch hunts were over many years ago.  But I do admit you are good at searching on google.  There are over 18 sites created by my competors to attack my agency with false information. It is people like you who take this information as fact that prevents them from finding a lady though my agency.

Everyone who has meet me in person understand that I am a honest person. Plus the fact that I've been in Law enforcement for over 15 years. I tend to listen only to facts that could be proven in a court of law. You must understand I've heard all of the stories by now.

May I suggest to following.

Jim, post, it hurts both of our reputations by being silent.  If you need someone to post as a middle man, I will be glad to post on your behalf using a login created for you. 

Thomas. Get in touch with a client of any recommend agency on Jim list Then get some evidence to support your claims. Ladies profiles are quite often stolen and used by other. Find someone that was scammed by Anna Bogdan that can support your claims.    Also I have not been banned by rwguide last week. I have been posting daily.  I had misunderstood a email when I mention this to your "source".


I started this post to show how one agency can create false sites to attack another agency. Thomas (felice) has shown how easily people can believe what they see on the internet and search engine and use this information to attack another agency. What this has shown all of us is we need to Research on all agencies, web sites, Ladies and Men before making such important decisions such as marriage. 

Best advise.  Also look for contact information of the owner ofany site and talk to him directly on any site that you may question via telephone. This also goes for anyone who posts a complaint about another. If they won't stand by there post with a real name and telephone number then take it as here say.

Hope this helps.

Kevin Hayes. (352) 266-8155 Call anytime and come see me face to face, I will buy lunch.

[wxman]

Kevin,

Since I do not know you, or have not used your service, I can not comment on your agency. That is the way it should be. I agree with you that using a google search to investigate someone is foolish and stupid. Anyone can create a site to slander another and fill it with false accusations and then when someone goes to the site they may believe it is true. They are no better than the National Enquirer with trumped up stories and accusations. Anyone who believes these sites without doing a legitimate investigation themselves is just being fool hearty. Some of these sites may be legit and have truth to them, but to blindly believe without further investigation is a fools fool. Perfect example is Newsweek and their false story about the US troops flushing the Koran down the toilet. It led to an uprising in Afghanistan where 17 people were killed. Newsweek came out and said after further investigation, their story was wrong. Tell that to the families of the 17 dead. :X

 

 

[Fiorella]

 As an agency owner I weight the strength of these sites. Jim site has document scams, antidate has a list of just about every agency in the internet on there blacklist.

Jim already deleted some girls from his list after he cannot show ANY PROOF of they was being scammers! And what credibility have other "scam cases" listed on his site after that??? He doesn't ask for proof, it is enough just man's words. Hi is just one more internet scammer himself.

[Kevin]

I wanted to share a letter from a lady that we investigated recently in Kherson and will be provided to Jim to post on his site. I have 11 orignal letters that show the way she works. This lady was working with an interpretor to get money out of men she would meet though the free sites.

The interpretor was asking for $500 a month for her services as a  translator. When the client refused and offer only $250 for her services. This is the letter he got with a photo of the lady using her middle finger.  This scam also had the typical request for money for passport,interpretor services and internet. The request for money got higher when he sent a email that he was coming to kherson within a week. 

For those who do not read Russian it basically says and this is a nicer translation of the letter. "I am a beautiful women and you are a ugly men. If you can't afford to send me money then I will find someone who can because I deserve a rich men".  

You will notice the interpretor started the text. In the followup email to this one the interpretor blamed the lady for this letter and offer that if he would send another $250 she would allow him to talk to the lady when he get to kherson. Because she was in love with him.

***************Here is the orignal ******* And it should be enough to be posted on Jim list ******

This is a short text from interpreter which doesn't want to help me,
because that money I can give her is not enough.
So you can translate this!!!!!

Слышишь, шо ты мне тут мозги паришь, твои галимые подачки мне нахрен
не нужны! Что ж ты все обещаешь, я тебе денег вышлю на то, на это... А
сам продуманный жлоб! У� ОД!!!
Извини пожалуйста, но я себе могу найти молодого и богатого парня,
котрый будет меня деньгами и подарками засыпать.
Пиздеть - не мешки тягать. Откуда я знаю, что ты весь такой хороший, а
вдруг я приеду за тебя замуж выходить, а ты заберешь у меня все
документы и будешь меня за рабыню держать.
И вообще почему ты все за меня решаешь, и не известно куда спешишь,
если я тебя не видела в глаза (деньги хочешь сэкономить)
А теперь привтыкни на меня и подумай - НА МНЕ ЭКОНОМИТЬ МОЖНО???
Ищи себе другую дуру.
Желаю тебе счастья в личной жизни
ПУХ

[Elen]

well Russian language is very rich one:D

But I also got an idea that boy didn't see her at all, didn't want to go her town but offered her to visit him, promiced a lot but sent very little.

So my verdict is - he should be placed at Russian black list as well like  продуманный ЖЛОБ:P:P:P

[Kvinna]

Absolutely clearly, that American has promised too much that lady in exchange for something else. Because she wrote: Also why do you decide everything instead of me, and why are you in a hurry, if I you have never seen me before?

so as I can see he is not an innocent lamb

[Kvinna]

I wanted to share a letter from a lady that we investigated recently in Kherson and will be provided to Jim to post on his site. I have 11 orignal letters that show the way she works. This lady was working with an interpretor to get money out of men she would meet though the free sites.

Well Kevin and what you have to do with free sites? seems you are owner of agency in Kherson... also what proof do you have?

lately I heard a lot of stories about a unfair competition between marriage agencies, about the false proofs and other dirty methods, which are practised by some owners to destroy the competitors.

By the way, I read many complaints of you, Kevin, that you, having agreed with Jim, get used to blacklist the women of the contestant agencies to destroy of reputation of your competitors, how nice, really. Also there speaks your wife are even more skilled using rich russian language than Lucka Mudizhev... so how can we be sure that this letters was written by "some girl" and her interpreter and not by your fair half?

[Fiorella]

Very good letter from woman who have had deal with control freak and real western abuser! (Of course if this letter is real and not product of khersongirls & Co).

Sure, this man must be posted in men's black list!

(can you give us email of this woman so we could contact her).

[Kevin]

[user=159]Fiorella[/user] and [user=184]Kvinna[/user] both of you owe me an appology.

 I figure you would try to defend this scammer and I was ready for it. 

Gary had an arrival ticket and reservation for July. When he told Alisa that he would take care of getting her passport for her when he arrived in Kherson she got very upset and wanted him to send the money in advance and not to take care of it when he got to kherson. She wanted the money and didn't care about the passport. A passport in kherson cost around $100 she wanted closer to $300 to get her passport.

As far as khersonbrides attack on my agency with there false sites see. http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/view_topic.php?id=81&forum_id=11

Also to remove your claim that my wife wrote this letter send me a email at kevin@khersongirls.com and I will forward you all of the orginal letters from this interpretor including the email header file and address. So you can contact the interpretor dirrectly if you like.

Here is the last email sent to Gary. Please feel free to contact the scammer if you like dirrectly.   Again you will see her request for money with the promise that her client Lysi is in love. Eventhough they have never meet and you read her last email.

Some things that are very clear in these letters. 1. Many request for money. 2. Request that Gary pay a very high about for interpretor service that is way about the going rate. 3. Request that Gary send money for a passport prior to the two of them meeting. 4. Threats from the interpretor that she will block all comunication between the two of them. 5. Gary had the full intention of meeting this lady and had an arrival date in July.

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Люся Груздова" <ven4ik@rambler.ru>
To: Gary
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: i have found a friend


As for Lysi she waits for your coming with exitement and she is really
serious about you. That is why she was upset today finding out that
you don't believe her.

I will return all info to her as soon I will have my money. You can be
sure that it is not a joke or some game.

But please, don't hurt her. She is a nice girl having a hard life. You
are the one with whom she is going to share her love and to make a
family. So if you want to be happy and to make her and her son happy -
believe her.

Bye
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Here is gary oringal complaint with photos taken at my office showing that we meet with this lady.



I have Photo's and letters from Lucy36V-346. She is a scammer. She tells you her finances are bad that she can not send more photo's or letters unless you send her 250 dollars for her interpreter then she says she paid the interpreter but now must get a new interpreter and to please send her another 250.00. I have been corresponding with her direct E-mail Sending her gifts and money thru Khereson girls. She is not signed up with kherson girls I just used them so my gifts and money would be documented. Below see photo's I received from kherson girls when she went to pick up  money. I can include more photo's and some of the letters asking for more money if you would like them.Her E-mail address is  ven4ik@rambler.ru
Her son's name is Vova. Her address is Lybov Nikolaevna Gryzdova.   Stepana Razina Str 75, flat 227 Kherson Ukraine.  7013. I have been corresponding with this lady since may.
I am signed up with Anastasiaweb.com my name is Gary W. Phillips, boise, Idaho. She also asked for the money to be sent western union and was very upset when I sent the money thru an agency.She also asked that I send her the money for her pass port directly to her.We were supposed to meet in July but now in June just before Im due to come over she starts with the interpreter and needing money.
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Люся Груздова" <ven4ik@rambler.ru>
To: Gary
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: i have found a friend


I'm her interpreter.
I worked for her... And now she must give me for work 250 hundred
dollars (But today she gave me 450 hrivnas).
I changed password in her e-mail account and I won't say it to her
untill I won't recieve money for work.


I hope that you will help Lysi to pay money that I wait for. Of course
after all this I'm not going to work for her. But still she needs this
e-mail to write you, and more than that she needs to pay me. Because
if I won't get my 160 dollars in few weeks I will go to the law
place... I didn't want to that before because I know that Lysi have
problems with money now.

So you mustn't be worried about those letters and photos, that was
from me. Excuse me I was very angry with Lysi.

Now it is up to you what you can do for her.

I afford you to send me my money by western union and I will give her
password for mail box and I will leave her...

So I will wait for your decisions

Sincerely Irina

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So here is the proof that was forward to me.   I believe

[jb]

This is sad, unbelievably sad.

This tripe is unquestionably blackmail, and any man who falls for this sh*t is an idiot.  The fact that Kvinna and Fiorella defends this stuff makes them idiots in my view as well.

That there are innocent FSU women who need advocates is a given, but Kvinna and Fiorella need to learn which fights they should join.  This one is a loser.

Kev has made his point very clearly.

[Kvinna]

I want to get proof that all these letters were written by "interpreter" and not by Khersongirls staff to win some competision on Kherson bride market