One of many reasons why Russian women can not find a Russian husband

[TigerPaws]

Ministers: The Work Force Is Shrinking
 class=blBy Oksana Yablokova
Staff Writer Moscow Times
Russia's working-age population will shrink rapidly at the end of this decade, putting a severe strain on the country's economy and social fabric, unless more migrants come to work in the country, Health and Social Development Minister Mikhail Zurabov told journalists Wednesday.

After growing for four years, the share of the country's population that is of working age will start to fall away in 2009, Zurabov said at a news conference.

But he warned that the flow of workers from former Soviet republics, which has so far helped to mask the country's acute labor shortage, may thin, too.

"The government is extremely concerned about this trend," Zurabov said.

Hundreds of thousands of workers from countries such Moldova, Ukraine and Tajikistan are employed in manual jobs in the construction and trade industries in Russia, doing work that Russians snub due to low pay.

"However, as the economic situation stabilizes in these countries, it is becoming difficult for Russia to compete with what these countries pay their own citizens," Zurabov said.

In separate comments Wednesday, Vladimir Yakovlev, the Cabinet's minister for regional development, painted an even gloomier picture of the country's threatened demographics.

"In a country with a population of 144 million people, soon there will be no one left to work," he told a Wednesday meeting of the government commission tasked with drafting strategy for the development of the regions.

In its December 2004 estimated figures, the State Statistics Service put Russia's total working-age population at 79 million out of a total population of 144 million.

Out of 20 million Russian men able to work, about 1 million men are currently serving prison sentences, while another 4 million men are serving in the armed forces and the police, rescue and secret services, Yakovlev said.

Another 4 million men are chronic alcoholics, while 1 million men are drug addicts, he said.

A low birthrate, high mortality, alcoholism, smoking and violence have left Russia confronting a continuing demographic crisis over the past 13 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Since 1989, when the Soviet Union's last census was held, the population of Russia has fallen by about 4 million and currently stands at 143.3 million, according to the State Statistics Service's figures.

 20 million men say between 17 and 55, subtract 10 million leaves 10 million which by any measure is a small pool of availabe men for such a vast country.

[Elen]

Well where are those who tried to prove me things are improving in Russia?:?

[Bruce]

Elen, I have always agreed with you.  I know darn well things have been and are now becomming alarmingly worse in Russia for the average citizen.  

Do you believe the central problem with Russia right now is the present economic and social system or is it something as fundamental as Institutional racism that is spiraling the Russian economy ever downward despite record high oil prices (Russia the number two oil producer in the world).  Or, is it just the shock of system change at too rapid a pace? 

In any event I feel for you and want a strong and vibrant Russia.  Without a strong and vibrant Russia the world will be a worse place for all of us (especially guys like myself married to a Russian wife). 

Russia needs patriots and it all starts with your educational system.

[Elen]

If only I do know what's the central problem with Russia right now and in all its history It's just Russia's fate on the Earth - to show others how they should not live:D(our joke)

well right now I'm too tired after my job to compose something "fundamental" at that usse. May be other day

[Bruce]

So, any other reasons you Russian women can not find good Russian men for yourselves???  Any thoughts Moscow women???

[Elen]

Because "Все мужики - сволочи"

Because all princes live overseas:D

Because apples are always bigger in other's garden.

And after all I personaly don't know let read all those profiles of russian's women at countless dating sites:P

[wxman]

The same question could be asked about Americans. The divorce rate is 50% in the US. A valid question to ask is why AW can not find a good AM? Then of course one could ask why an AM can not find a good AW, and why can't a RM find a good RW?

[TigerPaws]

The same question could be asked about Americans. The divorce rate is 50% in the US. A valid question to ask is why AW can not find a good AM? Then of course one could ask why an AM can not find a good AW, and why can't a RM find a good RW?

I think most of us (men) here in America will agree (hopefully) that the problem is complex but one big reason is too few chioces. Here the men out number the available women and if you take out the fat, druggies and women with an attitude the choices become even smaller.

 

[Bruno]

The same question could be asked about Americans. The divorce rate is 50% in the US. A valid question to ask is why AW can not find a good AM? Then of course one could ask why an AM can not find a good AW, and why can't a RM find a good RW?

I think most of us (men) here in America will agree (hopefully) that the problem is complex but one big reason is too few chioces. Here the men out number the available women and if you take out the fat, druggies and women with an attitude the choices become even smaller.

 
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Hello Tiger, from where are your source... below, some stat from US... in middle, for all US, you have 96.30 man for 100 females... for people who like statistic, build your own stat at http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stats/ccdb/ ...

                            Federal
                          Information
                          Processing
                           Standards
                            (FIPS)       Population
                            2-digit       by sex:
                           codes for     males per
                          states and        100
 State name                   DC          females
 _____________________    ___________    __________
 
 United States                00            96.30
 Alabama                      01            93.30
 Alaska                       02           107.00
 Arizona                      04            99.70
 Arkansas                     05            95.30
 California                   06            99.30
 Colorado                     08           101.40
 Connecticut                  09            93.90
 Delaware                     10            94.40
 District of Columbia         11            89.00
 Florida                      12            95.30
 Georgia                      13            96.80
 Hawaii                       15           101.00
 Idaho                        16           100.50
 Illinois                     17            95.90
 Indiana                      18            96.30
 Iowa                         19            96.30
 Kansas                       20            97.70
 Kentucky                     21            95.60
 Louisiana                    22            93.80
 Maine                        23            94.80
 Maryland                     24            93.40
 Massachusetts                25            93.00
 Michigan                     26            96.20
 Minnesota                    27            98.10
 Mississippi                  28            93.40
 Missouri                     29            94.60
 Montana                      30            99.30
 Nebraska                     31            97.20
 Nevada                       32           103.90
 New Hampshire                33            96.80
 New Jersey                   34            94.30
 New Mexico                   35            96.70
 New York                     36            93.10
 North Carolina               37            96.00
 North Dakota                 38            99.60
 Ohio                         39            94.40
 Oklahoma                     40            96.60
 Oregon                       41            98.40
 Pennsylvania                 42            93.40
 Rhode Island                 44            92.50
 South Carolina               45            94.50
 South Dakota                 46            98.50
 Tennessee                    47            94.90
 Texas                        48            98.60
 Utah                         49           100.40
 Vermont                      50            96.10
 Virginia                     51            96.30
 Washington                   53            99.10
 West Virginia                54            94.60
 Wisconsin                    55            97.60
 Wyoming                      56           101.20

 

[Elen]

I see you males are just endangered species even i the USA:? It seems the only one hope for females is China. Bruno do you have a statistic for China?

[tim 360]

Numbers Bruno?  There are numbers and then...there is actual living.  You are in Belgium,  not the USA.  Those stats of 96.30 men for every women do indeed seem not to bad.  But,  it is sorely lacking.  How females are over 75 years of age?  Pampered women here can live  a very long time.  How many are single?  How many over 20?  How many are more than 15 lbs overweight?  Why we have some women here that make (deleted).  

Now,  as Tigerpaws so aptly put it...how many druggies and alkies???  How many with psyschologically unfit mental processes?  Neurotic attitudes?

Then,  lets filter out the gay women,  Ok?  We have a good # of those too.  Filter out the functionally and clinically insane.  Now at some point after weeding we finally can get down to personality, character, the aesthetics of beauty etc,  expectations,  predisposition to marriage etc.  And there is alot of weeding to do there too depending on the requirements.  So you see:

There are #'s,  but there is a reality which the #'s presented do not reflect.  They are rough #'s.  On the converse,  maybe there are 129 million men in the USA.  Out of that #,  how many of those are marriage material? 

 

[Photo Guy]

After all of that weeding out and filtering, ther are only a couple of
women left and they are both already married!     Doug

[Bruno]

[user=62]tim 360[/user] wrote:

Numbers Bruno?  There are numbers and then...there is actual living.  You are in Belgium,  not the USA.  Those stats of 96.30 men for every women do indeed seem not to bad.  But,  it is sorely lacking.  How females are over 75 years of age?  Pampered women here can live  a very long time.  How many are single?  How many over 20?  How many are more than 15 lbs overweight?  Why we have some women here that make (deleted).  

Now,  as Tigerpaws so aptly put it...how many druggies and alkies???  How many with psyschologically unfit mental processes?  Neurotic attitudes?

Then,  lets filter out the gay women,  Ok?  We have a good # of those too.  Filter out the functionally and clinically insane.  Now at some point after weeding we finally can get down to personality, character, the aesthetics of beauty etc,  expectations,  predisposition to marriage etc.  And there is alot of weeding to do there too depending on the requirements.  So you see:

There are #'s,  but there is a reality which the #'s presented do not reflect.  They are rough #'s.  On the converse,  maybe there are 129 million men in the USA.  Out of that #,  how many of those are marriage material? 

 

Yes, they are only stat... if you wish, i can search other stat about age, gay woman, overweight,... but i think that this can change nothing...

Do you think that russia have not lesbian or homo... visit russian dating site... not the international one but these only for russian... and you will find all... from the sexy young woman who choice the man to the insane babouska with 150 kg who love woman... unfortunaly, the young sexy one wish only young man...

Like Doug say, the good are already married... why you have not married one of these good when it was the right time... maybe for the same reason of me... i was too much busy to enjoy the life and not wishing marry when i was young... of course, now, i am late... and stay only what the other have not will... and now, i choice a foreign one... but i go certainly not say that the Belgium woman are bad... only, i am too late for the good one, it is my own fault , not from the woman...

And don't worry, the russian bride that we are able to marry are usually these that russian man don't wish... because they have already children, they are too old ( more of 30 year ), because they are difficult... the best russian woman are married with russian man...

Don't believe it, ask to elen, she is married with a russian man... the best for the russian man  and the rest for us :? ... Joke ...

Really, western woman are not all bad... but we are too late for the good one... and in my case, the probleme is other... i am 36 year old and i date Belgium woman around 30 yo ... i wish build a family now but they think that it is to early... this is my own reason, nothing other... it is more a society problem who push the career before family...

 

[wxman]

[user=62]tim 360[/user] wrote:

Numbers Bruno?  There are numbers and then...there is actual living.  You are in Belgium,  not the USA.  Those stats of 96.30 men for every women do indeed seem not to bad.  But,  it is sorely lacking.  How females are over 75 years of age?  Pampered women here can live  a very long time.  How many are single?  How many over 20?  How many are more than 15 lbs overweight?  Why we have some women here that make (deleted).  

Now,  as Tigerpaws so aptly put it...how many druggies and alkies???  How many with psyschologically unfit mental processes?  Neurotic attitudes?

Then,  lets filter out the gay women,  Ok?  We have a good # of those too.  Filter out the functionally and clinically insane.  Now at some point after weeding we finally can get down to personality, character, the aesthetics of beauty etc,  expectations,  predisposition to marriage etc.  And there is alot of weeding to do there too depending on the requirements.  So you see:

There are #'s,  but there is a reality which the #'s presented do not reflect.  They are rough #'s.  On the converse,  maybe there are 129 million men in the USA.  Out of that #,  how many of those are marriage material? 

 

There is definitely more women living than men over the age of 75. Stats prove that. However, I would imagine there are just as many, if not more, men that are 15 or more pounds overweight. Why do we expect our women to be slim, when men the men can be fat? Sound like double standards. If you expect your wife not to be overweight, then you should not be overweight too. We have many more gyms and health centers in America, so there should be no excuse for men to be overweight.

How many men are mentally unfit? There are many more men in prison than women and deemed crazy. There are more gay men in this country than lesbian women.

So after weeding out all the crazy men, imprisoned men, gay men, and overweight men, there are probably just as many normal women as there are men.

Even that being said, if a person chooses to develop a relationship with someone from another country, who are we to judge them? But we shouldn't have to justify a relationship with someone from another country, by slamming the opposite sex in our own country.

 

[Bruno]

Yep, great post dancing cat...

Myself, i am overweight... but it seem not a problem for my ex and new lady from FSU... they can make very good compliment... like : "you am confortable for replace the pillow"... of ... "so, i am sure that not a other woman can take you"... of ... "you are so warm for the cold winter"...

But usually, i loose kg with russian woman... they run more fast that me when i try to catch them :D:D

[wxman]

Yep, great post dancing cat...

Myself, i am overweight... but it seem not a problem for my ex and new lady from FSU... they can make very good compliment... like : "you am confortable for replace the pillow"... of ... "so, i am sure that not a other woman can take you"... of ... "you are so warm for the cold winter"...

But usually, i loose kg with russian woman... they run more fast that me when i try to catch them :D:D

LOL  I agree, chasing them is fun and very good for losing weight!

[anono]

other than my two sisters, i have not met an AW in the past 15 years i'd want to wake up next to on a regular basis.

wait a second..that doesn't sound right...lol

[Elen]

A couples months ago there was a film at our TV about males in prisons and women who wrote them letters, sent parcel and money,(from their beggarly salaries)  paid visits (even if those prisons are in godforsaken places in Seberia:?) Almost everybody of those so-called males has two or more such women. They will never marry to those women. And women will be lucky if those "gentlemen" will not steal the last money when they at least (after 5-10 years) pay a visit to  them:?. They all know how 99% of those pen-pals'-romances will be ended but contunue to write and hope at a "miracle".

 Those males use women on 100% and it's strange but there is no such "concept" like "scammers" in russian language:?. And idea to complain about that to some "officials"even doesn't cross women's minds:?

So Americans (and others )  you are not the worse variants for Russian women. Let say thanks for Russian males.

 

[TigerPaws]

The same question could be asked about Americans. The divorce rate is 50% in the US. A valid question to ask is why AW can not find a good AM? Then of course one could ask why an AM can not find a good AW, and why can't a RM find a good RW?

I think most of us (men) here in America will agree (hopefully) that the problem is complex but one big reason is too few chioces. Here the men out number the available women and if you take out the fat, druggies and women with an attitude the choices become even smaller.

 
[/quote]
Hello Tiger, from where are your source... below, some stat from US... in middle, for all US, you have 96.30 man for 100 females... for people who like statistic, build your own stat at http://fisher.lib.virginia.edu/collections/stats/ccdb/ ...

                 [/quote]
Bruno,

 Once AGAIN you have proven that you do not know WTF you are talking about, try living someplace for a while before speaking about something that you know NOTHING about, please STFU.

[jb]

Obviously Bruno does not understand the demographics of the American city, or the thinking processes of Americans.  I wish he'd stop trying to ram these silly numbers down our throats to back up some half baked idea of his.

[tim 360]

Well wxman,  I just don't see where I was "slamming" AW.  I was talking about the use of gross # stats and deriving a conclusion from them.  Like 96.30 males to 100 females.  Even with a more refined set of stats...if 2 people don't "click" the stats mean very little for the given individual. 

[TigerPaws]

 I would imagine there are just as many, if not more, men that are 15 or more pounds overweight. Why do we expect our women to be slim, when men the men can be fat? Sound like double standards. If you expect your wife not to be overweight, then you should not be overweight too. We have many more gyms and health centers in America, so there should be no excuse for men to be overweight.

 Nice thought wxman but fundamentally flawed, we (men) seeq out, contact and court the woman, we (men) decide if the woman would make a suitable mate or not and ask for their consent to be our mate. The woman is  under no obligation to accept a mans proposal, a double standard you say? So what is the problem?

 

[TigerPaws]

Obviously Bruno does not understand the demographics of the American city, or the thinking processes of Americans. I wish he'd stop trying to ram these silly numbers down our throats to back up some half baked idea of his.

jb,

 Agreed

[TheArrow]

Russian, American, British - nationality doesn't matter. All depends on PERSON - either this person is good or not.

I can ask the same question to you, guys - Any reasons why Western men can not find Western women for marriage.

[TigerPaws]

Russian, American, British - nationality doesn't matter. All depends on PERSON - either this person is good or not.

I can ask the same question to you, guys - Any reasons why Western men can not find Western women for marriage.

Arrow,

 If you look back over some of the posts on this and other threads, then I hope you will discover some of the reasons many AM decide NOT to pursue AW. But incase you are too lazy let me say that the VAST majority of AW are self centered, fat, feminists with a serious case of PMS. If the AW is at all attractive she believes that AM should fall at her feet and worship the ground she walks on and that is just the beginning. All to many attractive AM (yes there are a few) are simply looking for a suger daddy, someone who will cater to their every whim, spend lavish amounts of money on them or better yet let them spend as much as they want whenever they want. They have no real desire to have a family and use children as the hook to hold onto the man.

 Sorry Atrrow but you have no idea what the VAST majority of AW are truly like.