Jim the Agency scammer

[Felice]

Jim the agencyscammer running scam blacklist Agencyscams fooling innocent men to use his recommended agencies does recommend an agency using a scammer in their banner.

Go in http://agencyscams.com to homepage than to to the left there the fifth banner from above.

Let "Honest Jim"tel; who this woman  is, why he recommends agencies having a scammer in their banner?

 

What is his scamknowledge: Scamming agencies himself, fooling people?

[Admin]

Jim the agencyscammer running scam blacklist Agencyscams fooling innocent men to use his recommended agencies does recommend an agency using a scammer in their banner.

Go in http://agencyscams.com to homepage than to to the left there the fifth banner from above.

Let "Honest Jim"tel; whothis woman is, why he recommends agencies having a scammer in their banner?

What is his scamknowledge: Scamming agencies himself, fooling people?

Felice,

Jim has been asked to register and post here if he chooses to defend his position.

In the meantime, it seems YOU are on a mission to attack him and his services. Your other post has received a great deal of attention and now many people are aware of your opinions.

I cannot allow the board to become a dumping ground for you to post messages only to attack "Honest Jim" and his services.

You are VERY welcome to post and contribute on all matters relating to FSU women, but please do NOT initiate any further topics on your opinion of "Honest Jim."

- Dan

[Felice]

Dan Jim was in a mission. I did ask him why he did blacklist certain agencies? I told him that he did earn money by recommending Anna Bogdan's agency where I did show hm that Bogdan was bride and president in her own agency.

I told himto work for an agency where I had cleaned the data-base for free from scammers.

He did answer: listen shit, I decide myself how I run my site, do you want that agency (which you cleaned) to be blacklisted?

That was it! Threatening to blacklist an innocent agency because I did ask informastion?

[Fiorella]

[user=270]Felice[/user]

why instead of making noise here you don't start to make some efforts for close these blacklists? By the way, they violate some laws and it can be used in such matter.

[Felice]

Dan I did clean many agencies from scammers, mostly against their will LOL I did look in agencies recommended by blacklists and did make a list of the running scammers. I found out that being recommended by a backlist did mean nothing.

I came intoo a very big site and reported scammers to the owner. He said can you help me clean this up? More agencies did ask that, but I did not trust them and refused. I did trust this man and said: I will help you.

He lost an enormous amount of profiles, but he did delete the mentioned profiles. Jim contacted this agency with the story: you have scammers running, wisely he did not mention who they were.

Later Jim did threaten to blacklist the agency cleaned by me because I told him to know more than was welcome for him.

Blacklisting an innocent agency and what had I to do with that agency: I cleaned it, I didn't own it, I didn't earn anything.

Jim does not understand what is going on, only that more than one person are angry with him.

[Felice]

Well said Fiorella, what you say is exactly my goal.

How can I do that. I have no money, don't own an agency, do not even live in the USA. I have no power!!!! You agency-owners must do it.

You must be nice seen the directions of your correspondence.

I can really do nothing Fiorella, nothing at all to close them down, it was now enough and I started. The result will be, they don't answer and all goes on the old way.

[Felice]

Fiorella men buying an adress from anagency must be sure that they did  not buy the photo belonging to a model. That is now not the case! Agencies calling themselves honest, agencies recommended by blacklists sell adresses belonging to photo-models. That is not what men expect. They may expect that agencies recommended by blacklists do sell real profiles and profiles not involved in scam before.

Blacklists do not check their agencies on scammers. Two reasons,they do know nothingfrom scamming but only claimto be expert and they are not interested in running scammers there, because they recommend for money or the affiliates-program. They all do or promote their own bussiness.

That is not fair!! They are all bad these blacklists and give innocent men the advice that following their advices, using their agencies it will be scamfree.

The only reason why these agencies are recommended is: They pay to the blacklist. Lots of men do untill now not understand that the services which they paid for translation was only bull, that the women did not even answer themselves. This does untill now happen with profiles from recommended agencies.

I will give you an example. Take A Pretty Russian from Bryansk inrussia. This agency didstart up some years ago with much bla, bla, bla. Recommended by Russian Blacklist (now closed), by www.scamalert.freeservers.com by www.antiscam.net and www.russian-scam.org

All their profiles were brought in into Matchdoctor, all available for men from all ages, race, weight, height and available for all kind of relations. They even had video-contact if wished. These blacklists didshout: The agency of the Cenrury. I dsaud: They mispresent all their profiles andare parasitic, I said they scam, because selling correspondence to men for who those girls are not available is scam. Russian Blacklist gave such hysterical reaction that I did think he owned that bull-agency. I told this to scamakert freeservers he did not shout that loud anymore about their reliability. My pal and I didresearch inMatchdoctor, he did blacklist the scammers and I helped himfinding them. I advised to blacklist the profiles from a Pretty russian, he had contact with Russian Blacklist and after talking to them he refused.

Some months later he did send me ane-mail: I have been In South-carolina visiting the office fromA pretty Russian. There was no office, only an anonymous postbox. Anybody can rent a postbox. the worst ofall scamagencies is: A pretty Russian. I told him long before. Untill now they are recommended, only Scamalert freeservers has some more doubts. No fiorella they make one bigdishonest mess from it, in a certain way, all. Indeed.

[Fiorella]

Well said Fiorella, what you say is exactly my goal.

How can I do that. I have no money, don't own an agency, do not even live in the USA. I have no power!!!! You agency-owners must do it.

You must be nice seen the directions of your correspondence.

I can really do nothing Fiorella, nothing at all to close them down, it was now enough and I started. The result will be, they don't answer and all goes on the old way.

You can. You only need to use your brain and existent laws.

[Felice]

Fiorella, I am not an US citizen, I have nothing, one computer and brain.

I live somewhere in the middle of nowhere, no dime to spend.

Must I fight American millionars, I have never been there, do not want to go there and cannot pay the ticket either.

[Bruno]

Fiorella men buying an adress from anagency must be sure that they did  not buy the photo belonging to a model. That is now not the case! Agencies calling themselves honest, agencies recommended by blacklists sell adresses belonging to photo-models. That is not what men expect. They may expect that agencies recommended by blacklists do sell real profiles and profiles not involved in scam before...

Felice, i have a little question for you... you clean marriage site from scammer !!! What are your source for clain that woman are scammer ? Certainly internet... because yourself was not one time scammed by a russian woman... do you think that you can trust these internet ?

You attack black list because of bad work but you use it for remove woman...

When i have start my site, i have make the same error... i have check each lady via search engine ( name and word scam )... i have find one woman in my site who have photo of top model listed in scam list and remove her... 3 week after, the woman have contact me and send me the prove that she was really these russian top model... of course, she have not more use my service...

The only personn who can accuse a woman to be a scam is the man who is scammed... and these man need to prove the accusation... so we know that it is real and not a personal revenge...

Yes, you have clean database, but how much of these woman was really scammer... same if only 5% of these lady was honest one, it is already to much... several ladies are listed like scammer because it is the agency who scam... see at freepersonal.ru ... 75% of ladies are listed because the agency have ask money !!! Why they list the woman ? and not the agency ? and of course, these listing are copied by other and other... so it will be impossible for these woman to find a husband...

Before start my site, i have try to help woman to be removed from black list... because i have the evidence that she was not guilty... but it was a impossible work... the time she was removed from one list, she was in 10 other... and yourself, you are like a virus...  you transport all these information on all the internet without prove of any type...

Other example, a woman who have submit a ads on my site was with a profile on other site... same first name and familly name, same birth datum, same city ( Moscow ) but other photo... a scam ? No, after investigation, it was not the same ladies... a little difference that you cannot see on the site, the middle name...

Yes... you will that black list dissappear but you use them for clean marriage agency... how can we trust you in so situation...

 

[TheArrow]

[user=270]Felice[/user] wrote: I have been In South-carolina visiting the office fromA pretty Russian. There was no office, only an anonymous postbox.

Sorry for my question: so you HAVE NEVER BEEN or YOU HAVE BEEN there?

Hmmmmmmm

[Bruno]

Arrow, the "I" is not Felice...

"My pal and I did research ... I advised to blacklist the profiles ... after talking to them he refused. Some months later he did send me an e-mail: I have been In South-carolina visiting the office fromA pretty Russian."

The blue text refert to the e-mail... it mean that the "I" is his pal... maybe if Felice use other color of Italic, it was more clear...

[Felice]

Bruno, Bruno I have been scammed by a scammer from Perm named Musa Vorona using a photo from Latvian model Marina Maslennikova.I have everywhere reported her. I thought what does happen here?

A blacklist did talk me calm again and I did start helping him in doing research. After a while he did find a busy job and our ways separated. I did myself with others continue this research. We did research at agencies recommended by blacklists,in big dating-sites as Matchdoctor, Friendfinder, Absolute Agency and more. This during several years now.. I know blacklists from inside, some give reliable information about the blacklisted scammer and will only list her when they are sure she is a scammer.

But Bruno you know always things better, you knew it better allready from the first moment, you will know it better untill the last moment. So does it work, doesn't it Bruno?

[Felice]

What do blacklists really know? The scammers which they do list are in most blacklists real scammers. In Stop Scammers they are to easy to list them.

Once a girl is listed you can say she is a scammer, it is true, but indeed be carefull with Stop Scammers. Blacklists have got a second reason for existance recommending agencies who pay them or have an affiliate program. Once an agency does pay to the most honest blacklist, they loose control over themselves.

They can write: This agency has a good scam-warning, does delete all scammers. I did go into such agency (The owner is a good guy). There were 1200 Lugansk profiles running in Matchdoctor some years ago, we could prove that 400 were profiles from scamagencies. We got an e-mail sent from Lugansk or Kiev with a list from the running Lugansk scammers in Matchdoctor. All our found names were on the list, but nearly all, it had to be so the not found ones had the same kind of profiles, they had to be all scammers in Lugansk. After half a year searching in Matchdoctor this could indeed be the only conclusion. Whole Lugansk is scam, except some honest agencies llike Lugan Girl andsome more.

Back to the recommended agency from the blacklist, I saw 30% of his Ukraine data-base being from Lugansk. I told that t the blacklist. He said you are most likely right of course but you must prove fromevery profile where she is blacklisted. I said, Sure than the Luganskmafia does bring in hundreds of new photo's. The owner understood that lugansk was overcompensated and got lots of complaints of course. He did delete them.

There are agencies recommended where they do write the profiles as followsL aNNA mOSCOW, svetlana moskou, olga RIGA in norwayIn the searchengine you can find as countries: United Kingdom but also England and also Wales and also Scotland. But these belong to the United Kingdom!

I do than say to them, you are a high class recommended agency, do indeed try to delete scammers but your presentation is the one from a fool. Do write all names from the girls and the cities beginning with acapital letter, do write all cities inone uniform way. Do give the good countries at these cities. People only laugh at you finding such crazy data-base.

They should give as profiles: Anna Moscow, Svetlana Moscow, Olga Riga in Latvia.

I did really find once a profile running, she was from Heaven in Afghanistan, I said Yes After the bombs there are many in Heaven there but there is no city with that name in Afghanistan.

What do you find next Bruno to prove your superioty, Tom Boone, De Leeuw van Vlaanderen perhaps?

[Felice]

By the way Bruno scammer Musa Vorona from Perm who did use the photo from Latvian Model Marina Maslennikova to let me pay for internet does still scam most likely in Matchdoctor. Model Marina Maslennikova you can find by searching by Google for: Marinna Maslennikova She is a model in studio5tv but you will find an enormous amount of scammers using her photo's.

How do I know that Musa Vorona has one more scamprofile in matchdoctor? Vorona and especially  Musa are not very common names  in Russia. In Matchdoctor is a profile running: voronm

This is most likely Vorona Musa is Musa Vorona. I blacklisted Musa Vorona in many places and she came complaining there to be innocent, they simply showed her Marina Maslenniikov's website, so this photo she will not use anymore.Is Musa Vorona the scammer? I don't think so. Mostly is in these types of scam using stolen photo's from a model a group of gangsters or even students (Students studying Engllish on the university in Yoshkar-Ola, Cheboksary maybe Kazan and Samara do run these kind of scams also with photo's from their girlfriends).The girls on the photo is innocent but is the one who will be blacklisted like innocent model Marina Maslennikova. Musa Vorona does not write herself but is a woman? whose name is used for the payment by Western Union. Once there is money they pick her up, bring her to the bank, she cashes the money and does get a part, mostly 50$ independend from the amount of money.

voronm is now most likely the scammer from Perm Musa Vorona becaust the photo belongingin to voronm in Matchdoctor belongs to a girl fromOdessa or so in Friendfinder. Most likely they are both scammers and is this another stolen photo from a model-agency. Often is this modelagency model.ru (Take the English version, here you find a lot of "brides" in agencies.

[Admin]

Felice,

You are beginning to show behavior that appears to be an out-of-control 'rant'.

You have been quite effective at alerting readers of your topics to your opinion of 'Honest Jim' and other blacklist sites.

I suggest you relax a little now and respond to question rather than continue with long posts that merely serve to repeat your opinions.

- Dan

[BC]

Second that Dan.

Took a moment to scan the posts I got bored of reading before..

hmm.. never been, and likely never will go there.. stuck out in the boonies with obviously little else rewarding to do other than fighting binary battles with virtual billboards and busting inet ghosts.  It's really depressing to see the lengths one will go to stimulate the reward centers of the brain.

[ConnerVT]

I had stopped reading Felice's posts a while back.  Dan's observation of it looking like a 'rant' is pretty accurate.  Perhaps more like the guy pushing the shopping cart down the sidewalk of a big city, talking to the demons in his head...

[Rvrwind]

I think your on to something there Fred.

All I see is a rant going on & in her opinion we should shut down scam sites as they in her opinion are ilegal. Well how legal  is it to scam. I'm getting the impression that it is okay to be a scammer or scam agency but not okay to be blacklisted as such.

In my opinion it should be the scammers & scam agencies she should be going after, if not for them we wouldn't need scam sites & blacklists!!! Duh!!!

RVR

Canadian Cowboy

[Felice]

Scamming is illegal Australian Cowboy. Blacklists pretend to have a task, they do indeed have, do not misunderstand me. But only if they do give just and honest information. Now they are connected to agencies recommending themselves. They can also be proffessional, than they earn money by recommending agencies. The problem is not that the listed women are not scammers, but that the agencies they do recomend are not free of scammers in some cases even scam-agencies.

Only for this reason I say, they can better go because often (not always) the agencies they do recommend scam themselves. Not one blacklist does check if their recommended agencies have scammers and when they do they cannot find them.

As scamming is crime, it must be treated as crime, this means that scammers must pay back the scammed money, agencies who sell knowingly and willingly scam-adresses have to pay the damage done by scammers, not like now that they delete the scammer in the best case and poach, Look how honest I am: I deleted a scammer.

Scammers and scamagency-owners should also spend time in jail. Now blacklists act as if they do the best for men looking for a woman, they only reommend agencies from who they do earn.It should be a task for the FBI but it is not yet that far, it will most likely never come that far.

[Bruno]

Again wrong... it is not specialy a work for the FBI... the speciality of FBI is US only... it is more for the CIA who work international... but i think that they have more important problem that a man who have losse some $$$ in russia because he have trust a "woman" scammer... in place of all the list you have make until now in these forum, it was more interesting for the member to know how you detect scammer... so they will be able themself to defend...

[Fiorella]

Why did you deleted post of Kvinna?

[Admin]

Why did you deleted post of Kvinna?

Two reasons:

(1) The information was merely a re-post from another board. Kvinna added nothing to the information and made no comment - simply copied from one board and pasted it to another. If anyone wants to see the information, they can PM or Email Kvinna and ask for the source.

(2) The post contained many personal details - including physical addresses and telephone numbers. I have previously expressed my concern about this type of information being posted on the board. If a board member wishes to post this information about themselves - that is fine (though maybe not wise), but when a member posts information about someone else, I feel obligated to remove it.

- Dan

[Jack]

Kvinna is the last person on this board whose word I would take or opinion I would value. She has several times made in-accurate statements and on at least one occassion a out and out lie.

In my opinion anything that Kvinna states should be considered highly suspect from her previous track record on the RWD.

[jb]

I love Eastern European women, but Kvinna is my least favorite person around here.  It seems there's always someone out there who wants to throw a monkey wrench into the gearbox, and she is that person.  

Fiorella needs to find a new roll model.