Jim's lists and agency scams?????

[Son of Clyde]

Did anyone else receive hate mail concerning Jim's lists, a site I had no idea I was a member of? It is too crude to post here so I sent a copy to Dan by PM. Someone here is starting trouble. I would have never intentionally joined his site and some unstable person now has my email address.

[I/O]

Yep, got that mail too. 

I/O

[Stirlitz]

I am outraged. I received a e-mail from a web site apparently set up by Jim's enemies with the sole purpose of denigrating him as I view it. I must confess, despite being around I do not know for sure who Jim is and what exactly he does. Notr do I really care.

But what makes me angry is this web site claims that I receive the e-mail because I opted so in their web site which is arrogant lies! I had never visited the site before this e-mail this morning. What’s more, my username and address are not known to their message board. And the e-mail address they spammed me at is not my general address. It’s my special address which I only use for message boards, and I make sure to always hide it in the options. Actually, this web site was set up on 13 January 2007 and I have a bit better memory than forgetting where I signed up no earlier than two weeks ago.

So, the only conclusion I have is a message board is either selling e-mail addresses of its members or has been hacked by scammers. Or exposed e-mail addresses in a different way. By the way, although I use this address for many message boards, only few of them are in English and have something to do with dating agencies, scams, etc. One of them is RWG.

What about RWD? Well, I have an idea. Last spring there was a glitch here and many of the members received e-mails which were meant for someone else. The e-mails read like:

Dear RWD member,
This message is to inform you that we've just moved the RWD
( RussianWomenDiscussion ) Forum!
Unfortunately, because of the security involved, we were
not able to transfer member passwords…

and contained the member address in the TO field!!! I don’t know about other members but I was able to get over two hundred e-mails like that before it stopped. I thought Dan was crazy. It looks like though he finally fixed it because there must be more than 200 members here!

But the bottom line is someone must have carefully saved all the e-mails, extracted the addresses and is spamming now. This is the only legit explanation I can come up with.

So Dan thank you for exposing my address!!! I knew then (in the spring) it was a time bomb.  :seething:

Has anyone else received the spam?

[Louie]

Easy there big fella! do you really think Dan would expose your email address on purpose? I don't think so, My email address is here also and I have not received any spam from Jim's list!

[Jack]

Damn! Left out again! Can either of you PM me with a copy?

[I/O]

Stirlitz  I think you are wrong in your assumtions because I joined this site long since then and I also copped this email from this odd site.

I/O

[Bruno]

Damn! Left out again! Can either of you PM me with a copy?

  Do you suffert of sclerosis for not remember the e-mail that YOU send ?

Take a look at http://www.jimslistsucks.com/ , right column, second banner... referencial system for elena models where you try make some money ( http://www.elenasmodels.com/?goto=JackII )...

I don't like Jim but you have reach the same low level that him... and your little post here show you hypocrisis level... Now, i am out of here... all in these business ( agency - scam list - forum ) is at a level of other in the sh!t...

Goodbye everybody, and good luck in your quest...

[jb]

Jack,

Did you send that email?

[aikorob]

Stirlitz-- I got one also.
Fortunatly, the address is one of my "trash" addresses, and the spam filter kicked it out.
I did use the same e-mail address to sign up to RWG long ago as well as some agencies--more possibilities for address harvesting.

[Gator]

Bruno,

When I click on the EM banner in Jim's webpage, it goes to EM, not to Jack.

Did the link originally go to Jack, and it was altered after your post?

If it did go to Jack, I do not know why he would blatantly have his name in the URL. 

Bruno, I hope you stay around as you are one of the good guys.  And clever too.

[Stirlitz]

Easy there big fella! do you really think Dan would expose your email address on purpose? I don't think so, My email address is here also and I have not received any spam from Jim's list!

You don’t think so because there is something you don’t know. And, do you think I invented that spring glitch? Though after some investigation I see that it is not actually the glitch that is the problem. I repeat, there are only two English-speaking RW related sites which have my address. From what I know chances are RWG has nothing to do with that.

OK. What’s interesting, I did a WhoIs search on RWD and the spam advertised site and they have something in common:

  Domain servers in listed order:
      NS1.ASMALLORANGE.COM
      NS2.ASMALLORANGE.COM

 — are the same for both sites. Sounds fishy enough to me.

There is also something I found out which makes me quite sure what is going on but I will not tell it to you yet.

I am not an associate of Jim, nor am I his enemy. Frankly, I don’t like what I know about him — and I don’t know much — but the practices of his enemies stink and make me believe they are at least not better than Jim himself as they try to portray him. Whoever is behind that stupid web site is a jerk. SPAMMER=SCAMMER.

Here is the spam message:

Return-path: <nunya@paulo.asmallorange.com>
Received: from [me] (port=38553 helo=me)
   by mx15.mail.ru with esmtp
   id 1HAf2y-000Bfq-00
   for me; Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:20:12 +0300
Received: (qmail 11396 invoked by uid 503); 27 Jan 2007 04:20:07 -0000
Delivered-To: me-address@me
Received: (qmail 29850 invoked by uid 503); 27 Jan 2007 04:20:04 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO paulo.asmallorange.com) (207.210.105.78)
  by host201.com with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 27 Jan 2007 04:20:04 -0000
Received: from nunya by paulo.asmallorange.com with local (Exim 4.63)
   (envelope-from <nunya@paulo.asmallorange.com>)
   id 1HAf2q-00006x-F2
   for me; Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:20:04 -0500
To: me
Subject: Community Service Bulletin - JimsLists and AgencyScams
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="9779dc8670093548e0e4d10d04c312d0"
From: admin@[censored]
Reply-To: admin@[censored]
X-Mailer: NotOneBit.com Simple Mailer
Message-Id: <E1HAf2q-00006x-F2@paulo.asmallorange.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:20:04 -0500
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paulo.asmallorange.com
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - me
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32002] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - paulo.asmallorange.com
X-Source: /usr/bin/php
X-Source-Args: php /home/nunya/public_html/simple/admin/consume.php
X-Source-Dir: [censored]:/public_html/simple/admin
X-Spam: Not detected


This is an IMPORTANT message to alert the entire community to the LYING, the DECEPTION, the ARROGANCE, and the CORRUPTION of Jim McDonald, owner of JimsLists and AgencyScams. As many of you know, Jim is a conceited, pious blowhard suffering a MAJOR problem with the God Complex. Well now Jim's time has come and there is a site dedicated to exposing his corruption, lies and deceipt. Visit [censored] today!

You are receiving this message because you have opted in to the Jim's List Sucks! list. To unsubscribe, please follow this link:

[Jack]

No jb, I sent no e-mail, despite Bruno's claim that I did. Typical Bruno. But if their is any brightside to this e-mail sent, it's pakaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa bruno 

[viking]

SOC

Yep, I received something today. I opened it, read it and deleted it. No time for this nonsense.

[DonAz]

hmmm.
Maybe it's just me, but I see it a bit differently. I commend whoever thought up this site. For some time I have been bothered by the antics of Jim and his list. This list does not serve any WM in any way to avoid being scammed!!!

It is about time that this in known to all involved in the pursuit.

The fact that his site is all about Agencies paying him (per click?) tells me the whole story.
If he had ANY interest being a savior to new guys he would be above board and not accepting fees from any agency.

IMO Jim's list does suck!


DonAz

[Michelangelo]

Bruno, about 1% of the members here are agencies.  The rest are simply guys in the search for an fsu girl, or vets who are here to give them sound advice.

So don't leave on account of agency trickery; you are an invaluable member here.  No one helped me more with logistics and computer tech support here two years ago, in my search, than did you.

[lindochka]

I repeat, there are only two English-speaking RW related sites which have my address. From what I know chances are RWG has nothing to do with that.

I would not be quick to point the finger at RWD. Like Stirlitz and aikorob, I've used the same posting ID and email address at both RWD and RWG. I also received the spam Stirlitz and aikorob received. It would be interesting to know if Louie and other RWD members who did not receive the spam are also RWG posters -- if they are, do they use the same email address at both sites?

I have not received this spam at a different email address which I use at some other RW-related boards/mailing lists.
 
Never having had to concern myself with scammers or scammer agencies, the name of Jim McDonald is just a name to me. Nor do I have an issue with Jack Bragg, who has only contacted me privately to offer his business services in response to my posting on a board or list with a request for same.

Perhaps Dan could shed some light?

[Louie]

 It would be interesting to know if Louie and other RWD members who did not receive the spam are also RWG posters -- if they are, do they use the same email address at both sites?



           As i said up thread I have not received any spam emails, I was a member at RWG a long time ago and have since changed ISP's, RWD has my email address and I think it's available to members, so I think I would have to rule out Dan in any dirty deeds (kinda sounds like an AC\DC song)


Note; I just tried to click my email tab on my profile and it is apparently not available to members

[William3rd]

I didnt get it but I have only been a member since october here with my address listed  and my address is not listed on RWG.

I saw your poll on the other board and so far, your results are completely unproductive

[Gator]

I never received the anti-Jim email if it was sent in the past 24 hours.

I am registered on a few agency sites.  While a former member (and moderator) of RWG, I have not posted there since Spencer sold it.  Actually I attempted to login under my name and pw, but was rejected.  When I attempted to re-enroll using my email addy, I was rejected again.  

BOO  HOO!  They did not want me.  What it suggests is that my email is not listed as an active member at RWG.

This would suggest that the anti-Jim email originated from outside RWD, unless the email was sent selectively from here.  I am waiting for a clever person to solve this mystery. 

[lindochka]

Thanks, Louie!

OK. What’s interesting, I did a WhoIs search on RWD and the spam advertised site and they have something in common:

  Domain servers in listed order:
      NS1.ASMALLORANGE.COM
      NS2.ASMALLORANGE.COM

 — are the same for both sites. Sounds fishy enough to me.

I also would not assume automatically that there is anything "fishy" about RWD and the other site having the same web host, since A Small Orange has a referral system which allows existing customers to receive a credit when someone they've referred signs up for web hosting with A Small Orange.

While this would suggest that the owner of RWD may have referred the owner of the other site (or vice versa), it doesn't prove that RWD gave out our addresses or participated in spamming us in any other way.

Once again, perhaps Dan could shed some light?

[Son of Clyde]

DonAz,

It is fine to set up a site like this, for those who are interested.
To blatently send an email bashing Jim is wrong.
Let all the bashing be done on the site and give us an option to join.
Why is Jim not being given equal time?

I found the source of the email but the email address is phony.

Received: from paulo.asmallorange.com

I did not show the originating IP address so as not to create more problems by posting it here.

Bruno, can someone track the origination of the offensive mail if they have an IP address?

All I want to do is tell this clown to stop it.

[William3rd]

That anti-jim list was funnier than hell!!! I am glad somebody gave me the link. However, the rec list still goes straight to the agencies. I would hope that the sex tour operators not get any business as a byblow of this hilarious site.

[Son of Clyde]

In Outlook Express go to File, Properties, click the Details tab and click on Message Source. You can sometimes track an email this way but not in this particular case. You can probably find the location if you track the IP address (it appears to originate from Atlanta).

Whoever created the site is very cleaver I must admit but please I would rather they sent a link and not a tirade of how much they hate honest Jim.

If you click on the forum link there are only 2 members of Jim's List Sucks.

[Stirlitz]

OK. And now just go to www.goodwife.com (another web site of Dan’s) and look on the left. See the ad of the antiJim site? With the DNS servers identical for the three sites (AntiJim, Goodwife and RWD) this is all very strange, to say the least.

A referral system is understanable but at the same time it is a strange coincidence. There are thousands of different hosting companies.

Of course, it will be interesting to hear Dan’s prospect on that but so far what I have is:

• my e-mail is spammed with AntiJim ads,
• the address is known to RWG and RWD admins,
• Dan is promoting the AntiJim site too,
• This site shares DNS records (and, apparently the hoster) with two of the other Dan’s sites.

Now put two and two together… Please understand I am not claiming anything yet, but just prove me wrong in my suspicions!

Well maybe one spam letter is no big deal and I can’t probably care less about the issue providing that they (whoever it is, Dan, Jack Bragg, Jim himself, or George W. Bush) take me off the spam list, but…

• I hate spam and have ZERO tolerance for it.
• If you are exposing someone dishonest why do you use sleazy methods?

By the way.

Read www.igorkalinin.com/mail/spam.en.html and you will learn how to get NO spam at all. I must admit I get two or three occasional spams a month, but each time I do, I do my best to investigate it and take measures against it. That is why I started this topic. Getting spam is something unusual to me. At the very least, I want to make sure this never happens again, I mean the stinky e-mail from the AntiJim site to which I NEVER subscribed despite their claims.

[Bruno]

Bruno,
When I click on the EM banner in Jim's webpage, it goes to EM, not to Jack.
Did the link originally go to Jack, and it was altered after your post?
If it did go to Jack, I do not know why he would blatantly have his name in the URL. 
Bruno, I hope you stay around as you are one of the good guys.  And clever too.

Gator, let me explain it in a other way...

Open a new internet explorer windows with the URL http://jimslists.com/ ... make the same with the URL http://www.jimslistsucks.com/ ... on both site, you have on the left, the second icon who is a publicity for Elena Model... don't click on it, simply put your mouse over it and see below the screen the address of the link...

For the Jimslist, it is http://www.elenasmodels.com/?goto=jimslists
For the Jimslistsucks; it is http://www.elenasmodels.com/?goto=JackII

these ?goto=... is part of a referal system... money with the publicity... in the original site, it go to someone calling himself "jimlists"... in the second site, it go to someone calling himself "Jackll"...

In now way, i say that the site Jimlistsucks show lies... i agree partially with what is wrote on it... it is more about the method used... similar to Jim himself... for me, it is unethical to use the same low method that the bad guys...

Michael wrote :

Bruno, about 1% of the members here are agencies.  The rest are simply guys in the search for an fsu girl, or vets who are here to give them sound advice.

Michael, if i wish go away, it is not because agency, because of the great members of these forum but because how thing become with these forum... these forum was the initiator of a ethics business certification for marriage agency but it act himself in a unethical way and i cannot accept it...

Don't believe me... log out from RWD... go to the main page of the forum... now, you will see publicity... refresh it a few time until you see a link and banner who promote the site Jimlistsucks ...

Son of Clyde wrote :

Received: from paulo.asmallorange.com
I did not show the originating IP address so as not to create more problems by posting it here.
Bruno, can you tract the origination of the offensive mail if I send you the IP address?

Don't need it... i have already track the origine of the site Jimlistsucks... data was hidden with the help of http://privacypost.com/about.php ... mean fake address, phone number, etc... but i am not someone who is stop easily... and i have find the real server... NS1.asmallorange.com ... very similar to the e-mail ( that i have not receive )...

Yesterday evening, i have make some PM exchange with Dan since i was concern about these server who is the same that these of RWD, CMA, etc ... i have more information about what happen and who is involved... but maybe it is time that our administrator ( Dan ) participate in these topic and say what he know... maybe the insult e-mail from Jim during the last few week ( evidence of it too ) have push Dan to make some bad move...

All i can say is that Dan is not the author of these site... but he know who and have participate/help in a very light way... integrity of Dan was at the top in my hearth but now, he have fall down... nobody is perfect, everybody make mistake, specialy when someone don't stop insult you by e-mail and post bad thing on all your site... but reveange is not something who lead to suvvess when guided by emotion !

Michael wrote :

you are an invaluable member here.  No one helped me more with logistics and computer tech support here two years ago, in my search, than did you.

Not more true now... by what i have find, i can hurt these forum and it is the last thing that i really wish... but you know me, i have very difficult to close my month when i feel that something is not right... these post is a typical example... so, i wish to quit... and if it is possible, that Dan close my account, that i cannot more access RWD... in the actual situation, i can only make bad thing related to RWD...

Only one last request... RWD wish fight unethical practice... Dan know who is after these site... i recommend him for stop support these site ( no more banner ) and ban the creator of it from RWD... same if it is a friend, same if what is wrote on this site is true, ... the method is not ethical and can only hurt you fight for the CMA and ethic control in the business...