Jim's lists and agency scams?????

[Bruno]

Of course, it will be interesting to hear Dan’s prospect on that but so far what I have is:

• my e-mail is spammed with AntiJim ads,
• the address is known to RWG and RWD admins,
• Dan is promoting the AntiJim site too,
• This site shares DNS records (and, apparently the hoster) with two of the other Dan’s sites.

Now put two and two together… Please understand I am not claiming anything yet, but just prove me wrong in my suspicions!

Dan know who have make the site but it is not him... he simply support the creator of the site after a long insult campain from Jim... i call this reveange based on emotion... maybe if i was in place of Dan, i was not better but worse... in so case, my first idea will be to shutdown site with a massive attack and have a denial service for result... bad method too but more discrete...

Dan is only a man and he can loose control... maybe it is time to make some control commité... Dan have already a little group of moderator here, and some people who have help him to build the CMA... maybe next time, he need first ask advice to these people... one man cannot make everything, he need advisor...

[Gator]

Bruno,

You just gave another excellent example of why we need you - to explain to computer illiterate.

It does make it appear that someone named "Jack" was involved in the Jim's List Sucks movement and endeavoring to make some chump change from referrals (would he make more than $10 total from referrals for a small site?).

Jim's attacker (not certain it is a "Jack") sunk to the same level as Jim in his attacks.  Is this his perceived mentality of the target audience?  If this is an indicator of the average mentality of men visiting Russia, I now understand why I do so well with RW even though I am older than some of their fathers.

[lindochka]

I am no fan of spam and I am never happy to receive it, Stirlitz. However, I've received far worse and it was obviously as a direct result of the actions of the owners of other RW-related sites/lists. The owner of a website devoted to investing in Odessa real estate decided that if I wanted to invest in real estate, I must want a Ukrainian wife, so he began to spam me about his marriage agency. At the same time he apparently decided that I also would want to look at photos of nearly naked women posing on the beaches of Odessa.

He's been spamming me regularly about his various agencies at two different addresses. But since I am myself a woman, I am not interested in his other agencies or in these photos. And since it seems he is stupid enough to assume that I must be a man if I have money to invest, I've taken my investing business elsewhere.

Bruno, regardless of who owns the other site, it appears that the owner of that site was somehow able to harvest email addresses from this one. This suggests either that there is a security issue at RWD, or that Dan thought it was okay to allow his membership to be spammed.

If it's the former -- well, security issues should be fixed as quickly as possible and the membership should be notified. If it's the latter, I am very disappointed at such a violation of basic netiquette.

[Rvrwind]

I'm not a member of RWG since the changeover, but I am on several other boards & use the same email on all of them & I did not get this email.
I doubt very much Dan would hand over the list of members emails, however a member here need only go & retrieve them himself, easy to do, security has nothing to do with it as many incuding myself have their email listed. The rest would have to be pm'd.
The fact that the email was only recieved by some & not all here suggests that it originated elswhere & not from this board.
As far as the jimlist sucks site goes, absolutly hilarious but a wasted effort I think. You wanna shut this clown down, sue his ass off, that is the best & most eficient way to shut somebody up. Maybe a hard thing to do but it can be done. Get some of the people together that he has screwed over & go after him in the courts where it will do a lot more good & produce a much better result.
JMHO

[jinx13]

 If you take a look at 'Jims list sucks' it's pretty obvious Jack is the creator. Look below the intro, there is something made to look like it was written by Jim himself, but was really written by Jack.
 
 

What are these lists?

First, yes, I am "Honest Jim", a title I am happy to have received from Mr. Jack Bragg. I had such a few guys asking me about so many different agencies, that I decided to make this site. Well, also I needed some extra income and this was an opportunity that I could not see anyone else cashing in on so I said to myself "why not"? This is NOT a directory! Since nobody but me is going to regulate all the agencies out there, I decided to make myself the appointed standard-maker. I work independently of any agency that does not pay me in some form or the other (clicks, banner ads, etc) and I am completely unbiased, except when it comes to Jack Bragg and First Dream. I do NOT list any unworthy agency unless I am paid double or triple the going rate. I'm sure that many sites won't like this, but it's their problem to "show me the money". I didn't make this site for the agencies, I made it for me and my attempt to earn more money to live in Samara. It ain't cheap here with my likes for these Russian hotties. While my other site is dedicated to scammers and some girls I used to know, this site is dedicated to helping you with the thousands of agencies out there and which one's pay me and which one's who don't. This site is as simple as I am.

Here's what each list means...

Shit-Kick - Check out the NEW Shit-Kick List!!!!! This site is dedicated to those who have tried to expose me or those I do not like or who I can't get a single report of scam, thus I have to make this Shit-Kick list in order to talk bad about certain agencies.

Gold List - outstanding agencies. These are the agencies who "show me the money" and the one's I would recommend in my search. And try to click on these sites, each one of them, a couple times a day and from different computers, home computer, office computer, lap top. Show these agencies you care about me and me being able to treat these young Russian ladies in Samara that I like so much to a good time.

Grey List - agencies that don't follow the set regulations I have set for them. I have tried to tell these agencies how to be successful, how they, and I, can make money together but they won't listen to me.

Black List - agencies that refuse to co-operate and give me a single penny. WHY! Why not just give me a little bit of money,....but noooooooo, not a single penny. So I Black List you. Period!

White List - all the agencies I know of who have the potential to make good money in the future. These agencies must agree to the following regulations...


Agency must have a web site and displays my banner ad, talks good about me and bad about First dream.
Agency must display street address, telephone number, email address and Honest Jim's banner ad
Agency must NOT ask for my payment publicly.

Agency must NOT advertise its girls, or my former girlfriends, on any site that does not display Honest Jim's banner ad.
Agency must NOT have hidden costs. I must know what you are going to pay me! I have bills to pay, night life, women to take care of. I must know how much you are going to pay me. This is serious!
Agencies that show my banner ad MUST allow clients to exchange contact information with the exception of say some 10-12 women on each agencies site that I might want to meet.
Agency must remove known scammer profiles or willing to pay me triple the going rate to make my top ten list.
Agency must reply to me and NOT argue with me about anything I say or do. If you want to be treated like Jack Bragg, then just argue with me. You'll wish you had not...
Agency must NOT blame FSU offices for problems. I hold the American and foreign offices responsible for my payments. Period, end of discussion.

No List - If there is an agency/site that is not listed, I might not know it, it could be a new source of income (clicks, clicks, clicks). Or maybe I can't decide which list they belong on because they are not sure if, or how much they will pay me - so ask me about any agency that is NOT listed on any list and I might give YOU a reward if your recommendation becomes profitable for me.

Any agency not following these regulations will be placed on the Grey List until such time that they "Show me the money"

 Dan, I understand your frustration with Jim, but you shouldn't be involved in this crap, even advertising the anti Jim list here on RWD. Yo are the rock that keeps this forum going, don't "get in the mud with the pigs"  you are above that. You have been the one that has reminded us time and again that this is just the internet and we shouldn't get so emotional about things written about us, you should take your own advice and remove yourself from this situation.

[jinx13]

 I don't think Dan gave out our e-mails, but he is involved with the anti Jim List, and like Bruno said he is advertising it here. In my opinion it's a big mistake for Dan to be getting involved in the Jack vs Jim war, he should be above this crap, I understand he is upset that Jim insulted this board, calling it a scammer board, but really do you think anybody believes that? Why get all caught up in childish internet wars? Jack is just as bad as Jim in my opinion, and not someone I would want to be connected with, I would never want to think of Dan as being the same type of guy as Jack.

 Dan, you are better than this, RWD is better than this. Let us be the moderators here, and lock you up!    just kidding, but seriously it's not worth it, you seem like a nice and decent man, this stuff is below you.

[Admin]

If you take a look at 'Jims list sucks' it's pretty obvious Jack is the creator. Look below the intro, there is something made to look like it was written by Jim himself, but was really written by Jack.
 
 
 Dan, I understand your frustration with Jim, but you shouldn't be involved in this crap, even advertising the anti Jim list here on RWD. Yo are the rock that keeps this forum going, don't "get in the mud with the pigs"  you are above that. You have been the one that has reminded us time and again that this is just the internet and we shouldn't get so emotional about things written about us, you should take your own advice and remove yourself from this situation.

Jinx,

I have in the past, and I continue, to NOT wish for RWD to become embroiled in this type of garbage. THe fact there is now a different venue for people to have the chance to raise their objections to Jim's allegations - which, of course, they CANNOT do at Jim's site - I see that as a good thing. It is good because it is NOT being done here at RWD. It is also good because people who have had no 'voice' to respond to Jim's lies, now have an outlet.

BTW - that page you cited appeared to me as a parody. I doubt many people would think Jim, himself, would write any of it.

- Dan

[TexasBoar]

Well . . . . to get back on topic with the OP . . .  

I got it too, this AM, in my "spambox" and thought it was hilarious.  I don't know why anyone would be up in arms about getting a freakin' email, when web bots prowl the 'net 24/7/365 datamining addies . . . lol.

I don't have a dog in this fight, so I'm merely amused, not taking sides. ALL the agency owners here at RWD move on and off my "ignore" list, anyway . . . their little pissing matches get old fast, so "click" goes the button until it's over!  

~Boar

[Stirlitz]

Well, if Jack does not steer a thread off topic, next thing which is sure to happen is him shaking hands with Jim… It’s his hobby to get personal and talk of unrelated things in every thread he can find.

In my opinion it's a big mistake for Dan to be getting involved in the Jack vs Jim war, he should be above this crap

That is my belief also. I too want to be out of it but by spamming my mailbox they get me involved.

[Admin]

Jinx and Jack,

Take it to the Chat room or down to NHB.

- Dan

[BC]

I was one of the few who received two hundred or so emails from RWD when it started up. 

I checked my spambox and normal email account used for this site and cannot find anything resembling the spam reported in this thread.

Honestly I didn't read all the posts in this thread as they don't seem worthy of the virtual ink printed on my screen.

[Admin]

Stirlitz, I agree with you 100%, just needed to get a few things off my chest, I'm done now. 

 The point is that an 'anti' anybody site has no place on RWD. Dan has the right to what ever he wants, it's his website, but it's just in bad taste in my opinion, and I always thought of Dan as the kind of guy that keeps his head above the fray. As Bruno said, he let his emotions get involved, and it doesn't help to have a little devil whispering in your ear (Jack) he even has the goatee!

Jinx,

And you will note that I did not, and AM not, try(ing) to fuel this debate here - merely responding to the ongoing diatribes.

As far as I am concerned, the site was created to counterbalance an unjust an unethical site - and one which heretofore, I have been relatively silent about. With Jim's latest misadventure to sully my name and misrepresent our exchange, I felt compelled to dig deeper and found a stinking quagmire. Others had done this long before me (reference my earlier post mentioning 'Felice') - and had put in motion a warranted (IMO) response to Jim's insults and lies.

RWD carries a reference to the JLS site in ads which appear to guests - and the warning to members in our ToS about links to external sites found at RWD applies to JLS just as it does to every external site someone may link to from here.

- Dan

[jinx13]

 Dan,

 As you have told me in the past when I had differences with members here, those that insult, lie, whatever will be seen for what they really are, and only hurt themselves. People will see 'Honest Jim' for what he is, and nobody is going to believe anything he says about you anyway, so why play into this game?

 You have done an excellent job running this forum, you are usually fair and balanced with all members. I'm sure there are many of us that irritate you, probably even me  , but you are always calm, and reasonable. Getting involved in this stuff doesn't look good on you, or RWD, that's my opinion, but I think a lot of other guys feel that way too, well I'll let them speak for themselves, but anytime you put yourself in league with Jack and Jim, it's not a good thing.


 

[Captmonk1]

lol...I have no idea what yall are talking about and I bet the majority of the forum members don't either. I got the antijim spam e-mail. I read it and said, what the hell is this??  Then I deleted it and went about my day. 

[Rvrwind]

Quote from: Rvrwind on Today at 21:32:19
however a member here need only go & retrieve them himself, easy to do, security has nothing to do with it as many incuding myself have their email listed. The rest would have to be pm'd.
How could they do it? Please explain.

Igor you will note I said many of us have our email listed, maybe you don't, I didn't look, but I do. I'm not afraid of a little spam. In fact my agency box gets around 200 spam emails a day, but I have a secret weapon, its called delete!!
I would like to see someone, like say Bruno, invent a button that I can hit that returns to sender & spam the crap out of the spammers!!! That would impress me no end. Takes to long to forward them all individually back to wwhere they came from.

[Jack]

Dan I think a lot of guys here are very supportive of you and your stance on Honest Jim's lack of integrity and out and out lies.

One thing you'll notice in life is that these type of people (Jinx and JIM) seem to understand each other and become supportive of each other as they are so much alike.  As such I hope you will please strongly consider not putting yourself in the same league as Jim and Jinx, it's not a good thing.

[Michelangelo]

I don't know what the truth is, but I don't like any of this.

And whoever sent out the nasty letter about Jim acutally hurt themselves more than him--in fact, they helped him.  So it backfired...

[Admin]

I don't know what the truth is, but I don't like any of this.

And whoever sent out the nasty letter about Jim acutally hurt themselves more than him--in fact, they helped him.  So it backfired...

Yeah - I just decided to remove the banner from RWD. It isn't much, but if it serves to diffuse things a little, that is good.

- Dan

[Michelangelo]

Yeah - I just decided to remove the banner from RWD. It isn't much, but if it serves to diffuse things a little, that is good.

- Dan

Excellent move, Dan.

[jinx13]

Excellent move, Dan.

 I agree. 


 Sticking to the topic, and hoping not to have my post deleted, I would like to say something about the "AntiJimList" website.

 I don't know Jim, have nothing negative or positive to say about him except that he made a crucial mistake in his war of words with Jack Bragg. He named RWD a scammer site based on the fact that Dan accepts some questionable advertising dollars (in his opinion) but more importantly I think it's because Jack Bragg is a frequent poster in this forum, and let's face it, Jack and Jim hate each other, and are wasting their time trying to defame each other on the web.

 In my opinion Jack is here on RWD to drum up business for his first dream tour, rarely does he hand out advice, mostly just promotes his business, or attacks those that don't like this method of meeting RW. He also provides lots of sexy photo's of girls on the streets of Kiev to get men interested in going there, and hopefully using his services. By the way, I like the photo's, even though they are just a clever advertising tool.

 Is Dan biased? Does Jim have a point? I'm not sure, I want to think Dan is a fair guy, but helping Jack with an "anti" site was a big mistake. It's natural to let emotions come out, and want to vent against Jim for the stupid things he has said, but it also sinks you to his level, and gets you involved in this rediculous war between him and Jack.

 That AntiJimList is ALL Jack, anybody that has read Jacks long rants here can recognize that. I checked it out, and it's kind of embarrasing reading it. It's so plain to see the vitrol hatred Jack has for Jim, so it's tough to believe that kind of nonsense when it's so biased. There is even something about Jim liking little boys in there, VERY bad taste in my opinion, and I think Jack accused Bruno of this long ago. It's sad when people can't express themselves in a normal way, and have to sink to that kind of drivel.

  I'm glad Dan dropped the link to this website, it had no place on RWD.

 

[Bruce]

Good move Dan  .  Always best to stick to the positives and stay above the fray.  For all it is worth, I never received the spam mail. 

[Jack]

I would like to address MORE untruths by the Jinx.  Another Lie by Jinx, I can see why he defends Jim as he does, as I mentioned these type like to support one another.  Jinx writes "That AntiJimList is ALL Jack", There are MANY individuals involved with the production of the scam site Honest Jim Sucks.  Jinx has such a hatred for anyone who knows his real colors and reveals how he lies to good women then tries to defame them as well anyone who will catch and expose the many lies he has told on the RWD.  The many people who have worked on the Jim List Sucks website of course know Jinx is nothing but a blow-hard.

As several people who PM'ed me about Jinx's comments today, every one of my responses about Jinx has been a rebuttal on my part.  Jinx is not going to sling his type of dirt and not be called out on it.  It is sad when people can't express themselves in a normal way and have to sink to the level of drivel that the scumbag Jinx does.

[jinx13]

 "sigh"    Try and stay on topic Jack, this is about your website, not about me.

 Can you deny you wrote all of the text on that site? This was your diatribe wasn't it?

 I have never defended Jim, or supported him, I see this for what it is, two guys that hate each other, and now your war has spread to RWD, and there is no place for that here.

[Jack]

Jinx as is quite evident of most people on the board for the past year, you not only do not know what your talking about, you often stretch the truth.

If I respond DIRECTLY to your post, and I mean directly, how am "I" not staying on topic?  Maybe it is YOU who is off topic. But as my replies are directly to your post, how can I be off topic?

You write the anti-scam site is ALL Jack. This is a lie. Again, another Jinx's wise tale.

I may have written 1/10th of the total contents of the site, basically my own personal experience. Your to dense to see probably over 40% of the site is taken word for word directly from Honest Jim's site.

You write that "There is even something about Jim liking little boys in there, VERY bad taste in my opinion, and I think Jack accused Bruno of this long ago."   I am the ONE who said we should remove this, I was voted down by the committee Jinx, but you are desperate to sway your feelings and wishes even if it means insinuating things that are not true.

Jinx, you just have a problem dealing with the truths and every time you try to include me in your slander campaign, be ready to stand-up to your many shortcomings.

[I/O]

So while you schoolyard teenage skirts are busy trying to gouge each others eyes out and looking totally ridiculous in the process, may I have the audacity to ask, who sent the email? 

I/O  who is offering "Chill Pills" at a heavily discounted rate.