Christian Girls

[Elen]

Well I do not drink anymore (I was too good at it) and I do smoke a cigar every now and then, but they were not my posts.

 I didn't mean Yyou I just could not intervent the converstaion of those guys yesterday with my nonsences about religion

sects as the FSU refers to them) seem to be thriving

I doubt any sect would be "thriving" here in Russia:? Orthodox Church (wich now has influence on Russian Governmet) will do aniything to eliminate:P any sect

As for me I really don't understand a need to "share" (or morst probably "tear")  God (whoever he would be there) among Churches-religions-sects and so far. It's only a result of men's desire to control others' minds but not a matter of "true" belief

 


 

[Amarillo Slick]

Maybe Eastern Europe would be better then, thanks for the advice.

[Elen]

Better for what?? If for find a member for your Church then may be Eastern Europe is better (though I don't think Catholic Church much more better in that ussue than our Orthodox)

If the goal is to find a girl with "good" values (never mind who put them into her head - communists or christians-buddists-muslims -  then FSU is the BEST place:P

[Elen]

 lyrical digression from topic:D


 Sh*t Happens

Protestantism:  Let s*** happen to someone else.
Catholicism:   If s*** happens, you deserve it.
Judaism:  Why does s*** always happen to us?
Buddhism:  If s*** happens, it is not really s***.
Zen Buddhism:  Tell me, grasshopper.  What is the sound of s*** happening?
Hinduism:  I could swear this s*** happened before.
Native Religions:  Sh*t never happened until you people showed up.
 
Presbyterianism:  If s*** must happen, let it be done decently and in proper order.
Calvinism:  If s*** happens, it was pre-ordained.
Baptist:  We'll be raptured while s*** happens to the rest of you.
Pentecostalism:  Same s***, different language.
Holiness Methodism:  Holy s***!
TV Evangelism:  Send in more s***.
Unitarianism:  We're not really sure if s*** happens, but if you think so, we respect your right to your s***.
United Church of Christ:  We celebrate you in all your s***tiness.
Episcopalianism:  Shit only happens when the liturgical calendar SAYS it happens.
Lutheranism:  Our **** doesn't stink.
Missouri Synod Lutheranism:  Oh, yes it does.  And so does everyone else's.
Amish:  Indoor plumbing is for sissies.
Taoism: S*** happens.
Buddhism: If s*** happens, it's not really s***.
Islam: If s*** happens, it's the will of Allah.
Judaism: Why does this s*** keep happening to us?
Agnosticism: Maybe s*** happens, maybe it doesn't.
Confucianism: Nothing can be done for the man who refuses to bring me his s***.
Jehovah's Witnesses: Knock knock, s*** happens.
Sufism: Say: I am s***.
Hinduism: This s*** happened before.
Bahá'ism: One planet, one s*** ... please.
Existentialism: What is s*** anyhow!?
Protestantism: S*** happens because you don't work hard enough.
Catholicism: S*** happens because you're bad.
TV Evangelism: Send more s***.
Ayatollahism: Holy Shi'ite!
Hare Krishna: Shit happens Rama Rama.
Atheism: No s***.
Wicca: S*** comes back three times over.
Hedonism: There's nothing like a good s*** happening.
Rastafarianism: Let's smoke this s***.
 

communism:  spread the s*** out to everyone equally
socialism: we'll give you a portion of the collective s*** we feel you deserve
liberalism: if you cover the s*** with a bandaid it goes away
conservativism: god will make the s*** vanish if we would only listen
libertarianism: s*** is ok as long as it isn't government s***
greenism: s*** is ok as long as you save the trees
moderatism: give me any kind of s*** you want to

[Bruno]

Amarillo,

i think that Ukraine will be better for you...

"Over the past several years non-traditional religious organizations (Charismatic, Mormon, and Krishna etc.) have spread, though they do not influence the religious situation in Ukraine. Ukraine is a multinational and multireligious country, where the Eastern and the Western religious traditions coexist. This is the nation's great wealth and a source of high moral and spiritual integrity."

take a look at the following link...

http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/resources/statistics/org2004/

You can find all religious communauty from Ukraine in january 2004... in these long list, i have find "full gospel churh charismatic" and "other charismatic"... i think that it is was you have ask in you first post...

Now, a list of site in Ukraine about charismatic church


* The Embassy of the Blessed Kingdom of God for All Nations, Christian Church of the Full Gospel "Word of Faith," Kyiv - http://www.wofkiev.com , http://www.wof.org.ua , http://www.word-of-faith-ch.org (U, R, E, F,G)
* United Christian Evangelical Church of the Living God, Uzhgorod - http://www.livegod.uzhgorod.ua (U, R)
* Official page of the Full Gospel Christians and Charismatic Churches of Crimea - http://gospelcom.tripod.com (R, E)
* Christian Church " Slovo probudzhennia" ("Word of Awakening") in Kirovohrad -
http://church.vov.ru (R)
* Christian Church "Dveri v Nebo ("Doorway to the Sky") in Dnipropetrovsk - http://www.doorway.dp.ua (R)
* Christian Mission "Sluzhinnia dopomohy" ("The Service of Help") - http://operators.narod.ru (R)
* Church of Full Gospel "Nazareth" in Cherkasy - http://hvenazareth.chat.ru (R, E)
* Church of Full Gospel "Blahodat i Liubov Khrysta" ("Mercy and Love of Christ") in Kyiv - http://www.apostol.org.ua (R, E)
* Union of Evangelical Churches of Ukraine - http://www.union-harvest.org.ua (R)
* Church of World Harvest in Kyiv - http://www.harvest.org.ua (R)
* Christian street kids charity mission "Vzgliad" ("Look") - http://www.carstvo-bojie.narod.ru (R)
* Church of Full Gospel "Zhyttia u Khrysti" ("Life in Christ") in Kremenchuk - http://lic205.narod.ru (R)
* "Christian Ukraine Today," Church "Slova zhyttia" ("Words of Life") in Donetsk - http://www.wolua.org (R)

Note: sites are in languages: U = Ukrainian, E = English, R = Russian, P = Polish, G = German, F = French, I = Italian


Full list of all site from all church in Ukraine, in case of other people wish other church :

http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/resources/ukrweb/

 

[Elen]

Still can't understand why do people have such desire to put religion "bounds" on their marriages:?

( I mean what such do they think their "wife" would do if she is not the same religion as they themselves?)

[Bruno]

Still can't understand why do people have such desire to put religion "bounds" on their marriages:?

Me too, because all the religion have the same God and no one is better that the other... but it is only a question of respect... if Amarrillo wish a woman who is "charismatic", it is his right... only it will be more difficult to search the right woman...

For some people, religion is very important and is a guide for all life... i respect the religion of other people and i don't try to change them... same if i don't think like them, same if i don't agree with religion, when i can help them, i try...

Why some people "bounds" color of skin on their marriages.... russian woman don't like black man... but these man can be good husband too... all the life is make from choice... until it is a personal choice, it is not a problem... when you try to imposse your choice, here begin the problem...

[Elen]

Why some people "bounds" color of skin on their marriages.... russian woman don't like black man... but these man can be good husband too...

No , thanks:? even if he is a good husband for you there are too many problems with others people from both sides

 

[Elen]

Well here is Charasmatics in Russia

 http://www.deol.ru/inform/inform/religion/charisma.htm

[Bruno]

No , thanks:? even if he is a good husband for you there are too many problems with others people from both sides

Ok, now, it can be some problem for Amarillo with others people from his religious communauty... find one who have the same religion is a "plus"... it is a choice... more difficult to find the lady but they have something in common...


And now, with you link, Amarillo can begin his quest... good luck guys...

[Elen]

Indeed:? But I would want to know out what that"special charisma in common" wich he can't find in other girls?

[BC]

Indeed:? But I would want to know out what that"special charisma in common" wich he can't find in other girls?

What's the primary purpose of these forming or growing or missionary type 'churches?'?:  Quite simply to recruit bodies to fill the pews and coffers. I would think there is quite a lot of peer group pressure to bring newbies in and it probably is an ego booster when one walks in the door with a new prospect..

IMHO anyone placing religion at the top of their list should find a mate that already belongs to that religion or sect and not try and convert someone to his/her beliefs or look around for 'newbies' to start a relationship with.

 

 

[Elen]

Well let then he better go to Ukraine and West Europe:D 

(no matter what I think about our own Orthodox Church but in this issue I support it - we have no need in "new sects" from abroad coz we have enough "home-made" persons wishing to imply something in our minds for their own purpose)

[anono]

america is becoming a theocracy, something our forefathers wanted to avoid. yes, many were religous people themselves but they knew the price paid when the government becomes involved. this is why they came here in the first place. but we are now turning into something far worse than we tried to escape.

too bad we've run out of places to get away from them.

why religous people cannot just be happy they can practice any religion (or lack of) in the privacy of their own homes is amazing. they feel they have to force their views on everyone else. there have been more people killed in the name of god than any other reason.

[Yakboy]

Here here Robert... Fervent religious beliefs are another sign of inflexibility of ideas. I suggest our true believing gentleman pops on down to Mexico or Colombia where he can find himself a lady who will thump the bible with the best of them... No offence.

And he doesn't even have to take long flights, or get visas. Spanish is afterall Texas's second (or is it first) language...

 

RT (Escaped Catholic):cool:

[Photo Guy]

How old are you? ...Just curious. The Soviet Union viewed religion as an actual or possible threat to their power structure. Rather than having comrades directed/instructed by both religious leaders and political leaders, the government sought to eliminate any disharmony between the two by promoting atheism.

I think he is not SUCH old that to look for wife who was born in 20s-30s when that events took place.

To my mind if religions (any of them) were occupied with their own business like to "save souls" and didn't stick noses in such dirty business like politic then they would  have less prolems with government in Russia. (like it was in 70-80s when I was raised. There were Churches, nobody denied people to go there, but nobody tried to   thrust any religion into our head with the help of "official tools" like TV, schools, press and etc.  as well. It was only "private" business )

And BTW I didn't understand what those "both religions"?? What did you mean because we have THREE official religions in Russia
[/quote]
I just read that the Soviets had changed a church in Kyiv into an
observatory. People were not denied to go to the new observatory, I guess.

Elen, it isn't black and white. Sure there are atheists and agnostics that have similar values as Christians. But, if my wife is Christian, then I do not have to debate our basic values. For example, a non-Christian may justify the idea that working 70 hours a week is a good thing because the extra money can be used for this or that.
It is very easy to walk down a path that goes away from Christian values, in my opinion. In my entire life, less than 10 evangelists have knocked on my door to convince me to join their religion. So there is no major problem with a bunch of religious people trying to
save my soul.

What if a government asks its people to do things that go against their religion?  If there is no religion or religious structure, then the government has even more control of people.

If a child is raised without religious beliefs, then those beliefs can be  replaced by other values. For example, a child may be taught that it's good to burn down new house constructions, because those constructions are bad for the environment and require the harvesting of trees for lumber. Religious values can be replaced by  valuing money or science or whatever.  Hey, just my opinion.  Doug  

[Photo Guy]

Well let then he better go to Ukraine and West Europe:D

(no matter what I think about our own Orthodox Church but in this issue I'm support it - we have no need in "new sects" from abroad coz we have enough "home-made" persons wishing to imply something in our minds for their own purpose)

Elen, all religions exist for the purpose of manipulating people?
That's very cynical and may be the result of government manipulation of your mind during your young student years.  ..I could be wrong. Doug

[Photo Guy]

Here here Robert... Fervent religious beliefs are another sign of inflexibility of ideas. I suggest our true believing gentleman pops on down to Mexico or Colombia where he can find himself a lady who will thump the bible with the best of them... No offence.
And he doesn't even have to take long flights, or get visas. Spanish is afterall Texas's second (or is it first) language...

RT (Escaped Catholic):cool:

I too escaped from Catholicism when I was a teenager. But, I don't understand how people are so 'affected' by so-called bible thumpers.
I'm 52 and I haven't seen this influence in my life. Fervent religious types never pushed themselves into MY life, but maybe that is just my experience in living in New York, California, New Mexico, and Arizona. I've never lived in a small town in, say, South Carolina.

[Photo Guy]

Indeed:? But I would want to know out what that"special charisma in common" wich he can't find in other girls?

What's the primary purpose of these forming or growing or missionary type 'churches?'?:  Quite simply to recruit bodies to fill the pews and coffers. I would think there is quite a lot of peer group pressure to bring newbies in and it probably is an ego booster when one walks in the door with a new prospect..
 [/quote]

Let's look at that. It's a picture of mindless victims being brain-washed to attend churches. It assumes that all humans who join churches are idiots. Do you really believe that? The peer pressure idea makes sense, if we were talking about 14 year olds.
Churches save and sooth souls. They perform a function that addresses the spirituality of people, in a way no other institution(s)
can. The truth has a powerful effect, whether it's in the spiritual or
physical realm.   Doug

[Photo Guy]

Why some people "bounds" color of skin on their marriages.... russian woman don't like black man... but these man can be good husband too...

No , thanks:? even if he is a good husband for you there are too many problems with others people from both sides
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My friend, Clinton, married Oksana from Kazan. He's black.
So far, so good.  Doug

[groovlstk]

why religous people cannot just be happy they can practice any religion (or lack of) in the privacy of their own homes is amazing. they feel they have to force their views on everyone else. there have been more people killed in the name of god than any other reason.

Actually that's not really true, more people have died in the 20th century's secular wars than in the preceding 50 centuries of fighting combined. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao did not need religious justification for their actions, yet they were responsible for the deaths of nearly 100 million people.

[anono]

What if a government asks its people to do things that go against their religion? If there is no religion or religious structure, then the government has even more control of people.

huh??!! please explain

[Elen]

What if a government asks its people to do things that go against their religion? If there is no religion or religious structure, then the government has even more control of people.

What's things for example? (exept liability for military service)

But, if my wife is Christian, then I do not have to debate our basic values. For example, a non-Christian may justify the idea that working 70 hours a week is a good thing because the extra money can be used for this or that.

"Basic values" ARE basic for all people. I think you would not be abble to name more than 2 divergences of opinion on that matter between christians and non-religions

 As for "extra money" for this and for that then I suppose it's more a matter of social and economic structure of society but not a religion. You can find much more people in un-religion FSU who have the same to your thoughts about 70 hours week and value of money in this life than in more religion USA:D (And you do have a sign on your dollars "In God we trust", btw:P)

 

If a child is raised without religious beliefs, then those beliefs can be replaced by other values. For example, a child may be taught that it's good to burn down new house constructions, because those constructions are bad for the environment and require the harvesting of trees for lumber. Religious values can be replaced by valuing money or science or whatever. Hey, just my opinion. Doug

:?

Come on, Photo Guy We don't teach our children to burn houses:D. That's the main problem with all religions - they always suspect the others in worship "wrong" values

To my mind the only one "belief" that "replaced" in mind of unbelievers is who was that guy who created all this mess we call now our world:D But the answer on this question does not influence family life ..... to my mind

I just read that the Soviets had changed a church in Kyiv into an
observatory. People were not denied to go to the new observatory, I guess.

You guess right. And at least observatory is not brothel (And besides when did that happen?) But if you think ALL churches in Kiev had been changed into observations or whatelse then you guess wrong

My friend, Clinton, married Oksana from Kazan. He's black. So far, so good. Doug

Just don't tell me that's usual thing:? coz I did read at this forum you all look for WHITE girls;) in Russia (and Actually blacks are too much "exotic" for Russians:? We just didnd't used to them )

 

Actually that's not really true, more people have died in the 20th century's secular wars than in the preceding 50 centuries of fighting combined. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao did not need religious justification for their actions, yet they were responsible for the deaths of nearly 100 million people.

 GOTT MIT UNS:? (Guess whose pants that thing supported)

If Dan allow me then I'd discuss how many deaths Stalin were responsible for.

Well let then he better go to Ukraine and West Europe:D

(no matter what I think about our own Orthodox Church but in this issue I'm support it - we have no need in "new sects" from abroad coz we have enough "home-made" persons wishing to imply something in our minds for their own purpose)

Elen, all religions exist for the purpose of manipulating people?
That's very cynical and may be the result of government manipulation of your mind during your young student years. ..I could be wrong. Doug

Not religions but Churches as socila institutes( I suppose you do understand the difference between these two things) , of course not only for manupulation but that's one of the main task of Churches (to control peoples minds) and espesially of sects

 And that conlusion of mine has nothing to do with cynical.

Besides I was speking about SECTS in Russia (we had too much problems with zombed peoples here after the fall of iron curtain due to variuose religion sects). And Russian Orthodox Church was the first who asked Russian governmet to sign a law wich would prevent spreding of this  "infection" in Russia It's not ME it's our Church  Now you may call our Orthodoxes as cynicals - I don't mind

 

[Bruno]

Yep, religion is a hot topic ...

First for Doug... people without religion can life with some kind of morale or phylosophie... in our atheiste school, we teach morale to children... a good example about good morale without God is the boudhisme... Boudha is not a God, he is a man who have teach the respect of all...

Now, about link between religion and politic, it is more true that you think... my stay in army have allow me to see a lot of thing in the world and in several conflict, religion was used... hitler have use it... Israel use it... extremiste muslim use it... same in modern country, in Europe, we find it... see the case of Irlande...

And in US, just before the fight against Irak, you precident have say : "God is with us"...

I was catholic, but all these horror in the name of God have lead me to think that God don't exist... How a God can allow people use his name for kill other people... i have study all kind of religion by curiosity... and i have discover that all religion have a common past and the same God... muslim, orthodox, catholic, anglican, juif, ... all have the old testament in common... different name for God but the same... and all these religion fight against other,... sometime with weapon, sometime with bad words, ... if God have exist, it is long time that he is away from these planet... his "best" creation, the human is a real misluck...

If each people who believe in God follow only the table with the ten commandments, the earth will be more pacefull... but same the 10 simple rule are difficult to follow... religion are make by human for control other human, not by a God... Maybe a God exist but not in one religion or church...

And i have speak only about war problem... what about all pedophile problem... and all these sect who use the name of God for make money...

Sorry Doug, if i was God, it was long time that i have remove the human from these planet...

[Elen]

You are CYNIC, Bruno:X (Just wonder what was "yours government"  wich   manipulated of your mind during your young student years:P:D:D)

Btw about wars, religion and believe in God's existance:? Many Soviets lost their trust in God not due to washing brains by Soviet Government but after the WWII when people have seen what those who had GOTT MIT UNS had done to people