Hello one and all

[XD40]

Hello one and all,
Of curse I am a new member on your forums, and it is a great pleasure to be here. Off and on in the past I have come back here just to see what has been going on in the world and different ideas that others have presented of Russian woman and decided to register. I will have to say that this sight is a wealth of knowledge for anyone seeking a relationship with a special person over seas. In fact this is the only web sight that offers this much information that it does compared to other sights that seems more or less a slam into the Russian culture. I have sought for a lady over seas myself since July of 2006. And finely made the decision to go and meet one of them in Sept. of 2006 in Kiev, Ukraine. “Laughing” it ended in tragedy due to I knew extremely little of the Russian language and presumable the cultural differences. But the wealth that I had brought back with me from that trip will last a lifetime. I am intrigued with the Russian culture. Actually I am amazed, perhaps the east is the last frontier of relationships. In June of 2007 I will go and meet a gal in Lugansk, Ukraine.
For a little about myself: I am a manager of a pest control company in Phoenix, Arizona area, I am 42 years “YOUNG” laughing. I am also divorced two times now. WOW life has sure gone by pretty fast ; ) But, anywhos I will be looking forward to talking with you all and picking your brains ; )       

[Jack]

Hello young xd40, let me be the first to welcome you.

Going to Lugansk to see one woman.  Cool.
Any reason why you don't try to find a second or third lady in Lugansk just in case this one woman get's sick or has to work or something.

XD do you know for certain the lady you are communicating with lives at the address she has given you?

You don't have her address?  Well don't you think you should get it!

And you have her phone number of course.  Of course you do, you would never travel to any city to meet one woman if you couldn't call her.

[Turboguy]

Welcome to RWD.  I am sure you can find a woman who is nicer than you ever thought possible but read here as much as you can.  Study what has worked and not worked.   You can save tens of thousands of dollars by reading the posts, the TR's, the wiki and everything here.

Jack knows is stuff and what he tells you is the best advice you will get.  We call that a WOVO  (write one, visit one).  It has the poorest chance of success (with the exception of WMVN).   Lugansk is a nice city.  I was there not long ago (actually with Jack) Have yourself a good back up plan.  There are good agencies there.  If it is not working don't hesitate to go with your backup plan.

[XD40]

Hello Jack and Turboguy and thank you!
For me going to see one gal I guess i am old fashion. Just a one-woman man. And yes like I have said in my post this sight is a wealth of information and I will be studying it very closely. Perhaps I should have a back up plan. I have a few months before I go out there so something can develop in the intrum. I have her address but not her phone number. The sight I am talking to her wont let her give out that info. They have to make money to I guess. It is going to be a little scary due to the crime in her city. But hey I’m originally from Chicago "Self explanatory" laughing. Hence why I moved to Phoenix ; ) I think I have all of my bases covered and she does seem to be on the up and up. She has never asked me for anything nor acted funky in letters or on the phone when we have talked Thur the interrupter. She is actually quite reserved and well mannered. I think I have the ability to scope people out and know if they are full of it. I tend to study people in their speech and actions. So all in all I think she is not a scammer and is a great gal. But the rest will come from a face-to-face meeting with no expiation's. The last thing I want to do is to get involved with a gal, move her to the U.S.A., marry and then divorce while upsetting my family and friends from someone that was not honest. But I am always open to suggestions from you all on any does and don't. I thank you for your impute that is always welcome on looking out for me.

[Jack]

XD, I have a wonderful idea!!!

Since you have her address, why don't you have someone (not the agency your working with) drop-off a letter, or a card, from you and when this is done the people delivering the letter or card will ask her for her phone number.

You say that the agency doesn't want to give you her phone number, they have to make money.  Ok, well why don't we ask this agency how much you have to pay them, how many letters must they translate or e-mails to send and receive, before you can get her phone number?    You must also remember that this agency has also told this lady that they would help her to meet a good foreign man.  I have always wondered how much any agency really considers their clients (the ladies) wishes and well being when they won't allow two interested parties to contact each other directly.

Look at those rules as part of the ten commandments listed on this site, one of the top three rules, separate the agency from being in the middle of your communications as soon as possible.

I think it's a bit strange that this agency gave you her address, but will not give you her phone number.  My bet is this is not a legit agency and that the address you have is not her real address. Would you mind sharing the name of the agency your dealing with?  Something tells me it's a translation agency, yes?

And WHAT crime in Lugansk?  XD, who is it that has told you about the high crime in this city, just curious if you don't mind.

Talked with her thru an interpreter?  Meaning she speaks no English?  Oh boy, hope jb is out of town this weekend.   

How do you know she is quite reserved and well mannered?  How does one know this thru an interpreter assisted telephone call or e-mails?

I admire your confidence. I think most men think they can sniff out the scammers, why it's a manly type thing.

Also many of us are one-women type men, most of us are used to dating one woman at a time.   But were not dating ladies across the street her, or on the other side of town.  When one travels half way across the world it's ok to change one's dating patterns. Go for it XD, see two women!

XD, please don't think I'm screwing with you or being un-kind, I'm just trying to bring up a few things that you will be facing in the soon future with regards to your June trip. Most the guys who are going to comment to you about your situation, although your going to think some men are harsh, their not, their trying to help you. Some of these yo-yo's here XD have been scammed before (as I slowly, silently, raise my hand).

[Turboguy]

Since I mentioned I was in Lugansk not long ago, I will comment on the crime part you mentioned. 

You will be safer walking the streets of Lugansk than where ever it is you live.   You can walk at 3 am if you want without giving it a minutes thought.

The only thing Lugask is noted for in terms of crime is scammers and dishonest agencies.   It is the most famous place in the FSU for that. 

[Mir]

XD

From what you have told so far the currant odds for her to be a scammer are 3 to 1 for!

I bet she insisted that you come to Lugansk to meet her? And the translater needs to be there etc. etc.
That is how they make money in Lughansk not by robbing you with a gun.

Somehow if you look at the agony sites the prettiest girls are from Lugansk.Also almost all of them show interest when approached. And none of them has a mobile phone or a home phone!!!
One even told me never to send any gift to her address.She said that the other men get jealous when a girl is in relationship with a foreign man and she will be gang raped.

[XD40]

Hi Jack!

Great idea with having someone drop off a letter from me or card. This can be done and getting her phone number at the same time.

After this letter to you Jack I will send off a letter to the sight admin. for this information on getting her phone number to share with everyone else what one company deems the Lady's well being when they are trying to find the lady a partner.

As far as the gals address she had given it to me in a letter. I had checked it on goggle earth and as she had described to me in detail of her surrounds matched up. The sight I contact her from is behappy.com

From a conversation from this gal she had informed me of crime in her area.
The first paragraph if from a statement that she had made and I questioned her on it as to what she meant. The second was her answer.
Here is a copy and paste of her letter......
1). You know, I partially understand you, because I work in two shifts, one of them lasts 2 weeks and I have to work from 7 a.m. till 3 p.m., and then one week I work from 3 p.m. till 11 p.m. It’s rather dangerous for me to get home at night then! But I don’t complain, I like my work, though it takes much time.

2). I first of all want to tell you why it is dangerous for me to return home from work. This concerns the shift when I work till 11 p.m. This is deep at night already, so I have to go back home by bus, and then walk for some time from the bus stop to my house. I think you understand that the criminals like night more than day, and I’m afraid of being robbed or even killed. God thanks, I have never experienced any attacks yet, but I should be careful for this not to happen as the level of crimes in Lugansk is extremely high. This is the reason. I think you also have criminals in your city, and country, and that’s why the reasons won’t sound strange for you.


Yes I talk to her Thur an interperter. But she does speak some English but it is very ruff. "JB" hush ; )

With being well mannered and reserved I have placed many questions to her ummmmm open end questions where she was more or less forced to answer the question.  

Jack, it is perfectly allright for the constructive criticism. In fact I welcome it. like I said this sight is a wealth of information. Some comments I will truly not like but it is the part of the learning proses. You guys are the vets at this, the pro's and I am not. Perhaps I as well can I was scammed in a way from my last trip to Kiev to meet with a lady. But I was able to interduce myself to a few things over seas. Life styles, Languages and Cultures. So much good did come out of it. At least I didn't have to pay a heavy price for her air fair to America, Visa fees and oh Gawd the ever in dept of a engagement ring "laughing".

[XD40]

Hello Mir,
Now that is alot to take in from what that gal has told you.

Well, yes she had asked when do I think I was available to come to Lugansk to meet her in person. But there was no talk of a translator to date. I would not expect her to come ot America to meet me on what little they do make for salary's compared to what we make.

And yes all of this is giving me more insight.

We did however talk of the crime and how people are bribed into keeping hush hush on violations and the such while discussing of what I go thru with Technitions that work under me. Here is her reply to this....

1). as I know about a huge amount of violations in Ukraine, and also in Lugansk, and here everything is decided with the help of money. When people have to hide something they give bribes to workers, to public officials, and everything is hidden and settled. That’s awful to realize, but fighting with this is useless, as you may get to prison for your struggle for truth, or be fined.

[SANDRO43]

I think I have all of my bases covered and she does seem to be on the up and up. She has never asked me for anything nor acted funky in letters or on the phone when we have talked Thur the interrupter. She is actually quite reserved and well mannered.

XD, how long have you been corresponding/talking to this woman ? As Jack pointed out, if she has her letters translated by the agency and her phone calls assisted by an interpreter, what you may have "scoped" is only part of her personality, if at all. Hope she won't tell you next that she's been assaulted and robbed returning home on one of her late shifts .

[GregfromGa]

XD40 you will be needing a backup plan. Trust me on this one. There is nothing wrong with having options. I dont mean having 3 or 6 girls lined up but I do mean things can get sideways in a hurry over there. If things arent working out then you will not need to be wasting your time on a dead end. It cost too much money and time is too valuable to waste trips and that happens everyday.

[Turboguy]

A back up plan can be as simple as having the names and contact information on a couple of good agencies along with you.

[Mir]

XD

Sorry if I came across rather abrupt.
I am not saying she is sure to be a scammer but personally I think Lugansk is a minefield.If you are looking for a girl there then I suggest you go through a reliable agent who knows the local setup.

I would never expect for the girls to meet you in US but I think most would agree to meet you in Kiev and give you company to their city.I don't think the ones from Lughansk agree to this.
Tell me what age are you and what age is she? And what type of photos does she send? Day to day ones or studio style ones.
Once again nothing can be decided on one fact or two but there usually is a way to spot a potential scammer.
Still there is no harm in going to have a look once you have taken proper precautions.After all it is all an experience.

[XD40]

Hi Mir,
I'm easy going and i take no offence to much.
I don't know much of reliable agents in Lughans'k who knows the local setup. But I will be looking into this as well from all of the posts just for the back up plan as most have talked about.

I am 42 years old and she is 33 years old. The photos that are sent from myself to her and her to me are normal photos and they are not studio quality and no air brushed make-up on nor doctored up photos.

We have been talking since Oct of 06 and not once has she asked for anything nor offered any information on her situation of income of needing anything. I had offered her some money $100 USD just to see if she would bit at it and wording it as "I dint know much about if the agency charges you for letters but I would like to help just to keep the communcation going. She replayed that there is no fee for it and she is not in a hardship to take the buss to the agency just to wright off a letter to me." 

I will have to admit that I had tested her in a very tactful way to see if her intentions were sincere and they came out with flying colors. and still till today nothing has raised a red flag in my head. Perhaps she is one of the few in this world that is looking for love and not a wallet to suck dry or view me as a well to do American. In all of our conversations it was never brought up of what I do for a living or how much money I make. I thought this was odd considering she may in the future come to America. Mostly the letters are of daily life and learning customs of what we want in a partner. She is a very neat lady.. actually she is different perhaps it is of the culture she comes from where I'm seeing this. I understand that there is much to learn of myself and of America verses Ukraine and as you had said if anything else it is a learning experience. Then again isn't this what life is about? God knows "Laughing" I have had many many of these experiences with my first two wife's LMAO!

[XD40]

Oh, and my apologies for taking so long on answering the posts. Being new to the boards I just re found this area but I have been studying all of the topics. Perhaps it is due to I'm "1/2 Polish" But at least I found my way back LMAO.

[Rvrwind]

Welcome XD. Just wanted to point you to a reliable company that I work with that will check out any lady anywhere & they are honest - http://www.russianscamcheck.org
Tell Demi I sent you & I might get a bonus in my Christmas stocking, LMAO Just Kiddin"!!!

[XD40]

LMAO Rvrwind,
I will check them out. If Olga does turn out to be a scammer I will personally give you something in your X-mass stocking lol.

[Jack]

Hey XD40, just reading some of your recent post's.

There are some good agencies in Lugansk, holler at me if you need to know of some.

With regards to the Russianscamchek Richard mentioned you need to be aware that some of the investigating one can do in Russia is different than what one can do in Ukraine.  In Ukraine it is illegal for a private citizen to investigate another citizen of Ukraine. Not so in Russia.  So when doing any "research" in Ukraine one has to be a little more careful. In Lugansk we have some pretty good "researchers".

[Rvrwind]

"researchers"

Is that what they call them nowadays? LOL