Six and a half years and still going strong!

[Son of Clyde]

John K, best of luck to you.

Women and men think differently.
Men love to look at models and modeling is used to attract men (Playboy magazine) or to appeal to women (Glamour magazine).

I think fashion modeling can be a rewarding experience and an honorable job.

Posing for Playboy is not something I would want my wife doing but posing for a fashion magazine I would encourage.

If the husband is supportive and the wife wants to be a model it is none of our business, period.

John is proud of his wife so let them be.

[I/O]

  Jazzy dont you have a corner you can go stand on or is it not quite foggy enough just yet

GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZus.  It was almost worth waking up early for the entertainment value of reading these updates. 

For all the BS that has gone on here, insults or implied insults or criticisms or comments or whatever you like to call them, they all amount to jacksh!te apart from one. 

Greg: Your suggestion that one of the female members would be at home on the street corners is the low point of this thread.  That is foul.

I/O

[Gator]

This is the case of a situation escalating well beyond what anyone ever would want. 

Somebody says something.  It is perceived as negative, so a second person responds to the first person.  The response is taken personally…and in a few pages normally civil people are implying that the other looks like a dog’s ass.

What many people seem to be missing is that the RW posters did not criticize Marina's looks; instead, they seemed shocked that Marina’s husband would show her semi-nude photos in the public Internet.  Many RW are modest in public, even those with sexy bodies.  I have spent over 5 years with RW who had fabulous bodies and did not flaunt it.  They also did not think kissing in public is acceptable, although walking arm in arm is essentially mandatory.

I have met GreginGa and enjoyed a Cuban restaurant with Greg and his wife..  He is an attractive man in good physical shape.  His wife is younger, very beautiful, and tall (slightly taller than Greg).  Greg is able to keep her happy in a very small Georgia town. 

I have seen photos of DKMM and the young RW with whom he enjoyed a trip.  He is handsome, young, and in good physical shape.   His RW is gorgeous and has enough money to pay for her half of the trip.   

And I assume Jazzy posted her photo to prove that she did not look anywhere like the photos of various fat women posted by Olga.

[CaptB]

John K & Wife,

Congratulations on 6 1/2 years of marriage! Modeling is a a tough, competitive business. If that is what your wife truly wants to do.......good for her. Its nice to know her husband supports her completely in this endeavor. Many guys would be too insecure to support their wife in following such a career. 6 1/2 years.........you folks must be doing "something" right.

I only sifted through the posts on this thread.......................alot of posts in such a short time. Guys will be guys.......I guess. Many will still think "physical beauty" is the "be all"....."end all"........in life. This is why many will never find a "soulmate"........because their focus is on only one element......of "many".......in searching for a partner. I have chosen not to post photos of myself.....or my wife here......because......as this thread has shown......there are too many folks here who will made judgements based solely on a "photograph".............when the only intent would be to allow a face to be shown.....to match the words written all these years on two forums. But as I have observed......it is much wiser that I let my words and actions define who I am...........not what I (or my wonderful wife).........."look like".

I am disapointed by what I read here. Some of the most wonderful people I know.....and have known......are not highly rated on the scale of physical attractiveness. I am lucky that I have learned that "appearence" is just a small part of the package......in searching for a mate. I wish I could say that many of those 2's in physical appearence......with the "10" in personality......I would not have passed by........but I am human........I have a need to be attracted to my partner. Fortunately.......I am over the always looking for the bigger....better....."number". I learned that what was important is not the number........but.........am I......or am I not......attracted to the person........then move on to more important things.

We really know so little about each other here on this forum. Maybe after a long time.......like some of the "dinosaurs" here.........we catch a small glimpse of the personality of certain individuals.........it is hard to always be on good behavior for years on end. I have been fortunate enough to meet many folks and their fiancees, wifes.......and even attended
good friend.....and "professional curmudgeon"......jb's wedding.

I am not an unattractive guy.......I have been able to attract (what most would consider) ......."10's" in appearence. But after 25+ years dating experience.....those higher numbers seldom translated to higher "numbers" in other areas. I could not rate myself because that rating ever fluctuates........depending on the "beholder". I don't care what another persons opinion is.......only what I think......when it comes to me.

The real value of what we are doing here will be more evident as time goes on. Some will still be here in 10 years........some will not. The only "10" that will matter in the long run......is those that have become a "10".......in happiness and well-being........regardless of our rating in "looks".

A few folks here need to stop what they are doing......and pursue a little "self" reflection. From what I have read.......a few appologies are in order. Those that continue to "justify"
their negative comments......maybe are showing their true colors. Those that can rectify their negative behavior.....by an appology to the offended parties.......will demonstrate that we are all human.......with imperfection being part of the package.


Capt B


 

[KenC]

When and if those apologies are handed out, the first should be from Greg in GA for his uncool and uncalled for comments about Jazzy.  That was hitting waaay below the belt IMO.
KenC

[DKMM]

Greg I don't do the flame war thing sorry.  You can say whatever you want about me personally, and I'm truly sorry if what I said was offensive but it makes you look bad to react the way you did.  I gave my opinion and explained why I gave it, no need to keep beating the already dead loshad.  You don't have to look hard to see I've been to the FSU twice in the past six months and another trip with a RW to neutral site.  (there I go, dropping my articles again).

KenC fyi I did some modelling myself in college to answer your personal attacks on me.  It was small time advertising, which I think John's wife is already way ahead of (refer to my part about her skilled posing).  However as a career with which to live on (i.e. amateur vs. professional) I retain my opinion.

I also dated a AW model for a year (she was a psycho) and if you count J as dating, her too.  She was good enough that people paid her to model, but that's not her career.  Compared to John's wife though her portfolio is very conservative but they are both beautiful women.

I don't think its right though to say negative things about RWD members' wives and I think I stepped into that grey area, for which I apologize.  That's about all I have to say on the matter thanks.

[Jazzyclassy]

Jazzy,
You and I have a very different definition of insulting.  I take no credit or blame for Greg's posts.
KenC

When and if those apologies are handed out, the first should be from Greg in GA for his uncool and uncalled for comments about Jazzy.  That was hitting waaay below the belt IMO.
KenC

How it is interesting sometimes  , is not it

Maybe when I am very old and full of experience I will be like that?

I do not think so

People in this forum think that they know everything about everybody which is their greatest mistake, no matter how you are experienced there are always things to learn and to find out......
...... the person whom you think superficial might be amazingly deep in his thoughts and wise one, and the person you thought to be amazingly wise , can be absolutely ignorant and doublefaced, well usually such combinations rarely happens but still one should not make conclusions about the others by only posts here

cos for real we do not know each other here and we have no right to assume anything about the other people , if  a person deliberately wants an opinion and evaluation here , he provoces that , like John K did , by posting the pics

as people told here none called her names

I am tired to appologise here  before people who insulted me in the first place

[KenC]

Jazzy,
You are right in that you never said anything bad about John's wifes's looks.  You only attacked models, modeling as a career and anyone seeking to be a model.  Because Marina is an aspiring model, your criticisms seem to be directed toward her.  I don't think that is right or fair to her and John.

 I also do not think that when someone posts a photo of their wife here that it is open game for criticism.

There have been some lines of decency that have been crossed in this thread.  To DKMM's credit, he was man enough to admit his error in judgement and we still await Greg's similar reaction.

I see no conflict between the two quotes of my posts that you seem to allude to be conflicting.  I thought your posts were insulting to Marina via your disparaging comments on models and I also thought Greg's post aimed toward you was grossly inappropriate.
KenC

[tim 360]

Hey John K,  Nice to hear from you.  Congratulations and I sincerely wish you and your wife the best.  6.5 years of marriage and it is sad to read how plain rude some of the posters are on this board.  Some are even erstatz model reviewers.  There is no reason for it.  Especially when one consider the fact that you have more knowledge of the whole RW thing than 90% of the characters posting their negative drivel.     Pay no attention to them.  Shame on 'em all.  Keep up the good work.  Cheerio, tim360

[Stirlitz]

If that's your wife , why do you allow her to take such pics and plus are bragging about them?

He is not the only man with such views. I mean I am similar.

If I had a lady  and posted her naked pic here bragging about her body as her greatest achievement, I would understand I'm actually inviting people to evaluate it, and would be prepared for different opinions. But I have enough class not to do this (And yes, here it IS about class) 

Class is something that not all people understand.

Especially in the FSU. One of the fundamental cultural differences is lack of courtesy here. My belief is after the Great October Socialist Revolution (which was actually not a revolution but a smart move by a gang of people, a coup d'etat) when noble, rich and just intelligent people were proclaimed ‘enemies of the people’ and it was common people who prevailed with their values and attitude, we lost a lot of something. Things like tact, class, civility are seldom something more than just words to working people. They are often very direct and have no problem saying that somebody’s wife is common-looking in the presence of the husband and have a hard time when being told it is not done. Their point is if she is really ugly why should I not speak about it? And you can go mad trying to explain them anything about other people’s feelings. They do not care because their feelings are pretty rough and not so sensitive.

Since she does not post a lot, most probably do not recall that pitbull *is* a RW.

Ooh that explains a lot! I could have probably done without the above theory. Let me tell you a common saying: “A beautiful woman is joy for men’s eyes. An ugly one is joy for women’s eyes.” The reverse is also true. This explains Jazzyclassy as well

What some here may not understand, is that JohnK was a regular contributer to PL back in the day.  For him to pop up here and let us know that "all is well" in his 6.5 year marriage is a very pleasant "blast from the past" and very appreciated by the those of us that remember the past trials and tribulations he faced.

Yes, that is very important! From reading those forums, some newbies can only conclude that this business is a complete failure. Because there are a lot of crash-and-burn stories. It is quite understandable that those who failed tend to discuss it and look for ways to succeed while those who did succeed tend to be busy with their new life and very seldom bother to come back thus creation a false impression of not being out there at all.

To have his wife's looks and career choices criticized was not only unnecessary, but done in poor taste IMO.

Taste is also more of a word than a concept to some people as I explained about courtesy.

I may not like some women at all and with I can discuss them in private my close friends and even say that she is ‘ugly’ but I would never say it in public, especially when this person or their people can hear me.

[ScottinCrimea]

Stirlitz--

[Daveman]

Great post Stirlitz,

You, of course, have far more insight into your culture than I could ever begin to have, but I would have to say that your comments are absolutely dead on balls accurate from my experience with many FSU women (I purposely do not say ALL because of the generalization factor).  They don't really give much, if any, thought to anyone's feelings.  What someone feels or the consequences of their words is not nearly as important as stating their opinion.  They truly just don't get that nuance of social grace.  I do like their directness, but sometimes direct honesty is best tempered with a modicum of forethought.

But then again, some western guys don't really get it either. 

I have often heard people speaking of the need for thick skin, and someone even said "dinosaur skin" when dealing with FSU women, and this is one of the reasons why.  While there are so many traits I find so attractive and beautiful about these ladies, this is certainly one aspect where a little extreme makeover is warranted.   It can sometimes be a very ugly trait in both women and men of any nationality.

Dave

[Elen]

 I could only wonder what "revolutions" you all who post here have gone through  judging by "courtesy" demonstrated here and in other threads 

It seems that "manneras" your show here is a heritage from cowboys' saloons wich America was more famouse with than with high society 

 Also to get a difference between directiness  ( which is no worse than western "hypocrisy"  - it's just a matter of "taste" ) and rudeness you should speak at the same mother's language with people.

[Daveman]

I could only wonder what "revolutions" you all who post here have gone through  judging by "courtesy" demonstrated here and in other threads 

It seems that "manneras" your show here is a heritage from cowboys' saloons wich America was more famouse than with high society 

I have to agree with you here.  I have seen some incredible rudeness on this site (and many others not related to RW) under the guise of directness which I find appalling.  It is simply unnecessary.

Also to get a difference between directiness  ( which is no worse than western "hypocrisy"  - it's just a matter of "taste" ) and rudeness you should speak at the same mother's language with people.

This is interesting.  I have no idea what you mean in *this* case by western hypocrisy.  I invite you over to the "odds and ends" area to discuss this if you wish.  I'll create the thread and please elaborate if you wish.

The west is replete with hypocrites of all shapes and sizes - social,  religious, political, in every corner.  But, what exactly is it to which you are referring?  Please respond in the other area.

[Gator]

Stirlitz,

I am having trouble following your position, mainly because you do not make specific attributions to specific individuals.

You start with a statement that Russia lost its “tact, class, and civility” with the revolution.  That may be true, yet America’s manners have also declined remarkably without a political revolution.

You next state that Russian working people's "feelings are pretty rough and not so sensitive" and they will tell ugly people to their face that they are ugly.

You next present a common saying with a comment about Jazzy

“A beautiful woman is joy for men’s eyes. An ugly one is joy for women’s eyes.” The reverse is also true. This explains Jazzyclassy as well.

I do not understand the “reverse”.  Are you saying Jazzy is ugly?  I assume that is not the case after you had just previously criticized the same, and later you write, “I would never say it in public”.

As evident from reading KenC's compilation of Jazzy'c comments on March 31, 2007, 12:42:26 PM, Jazzy never criticized the looks of John’s wife.  She did criticize the wife’s chosen profession and she criticized John for displaying semi-nude photos of his wife.  For that, she is judging people and that is impolite.  However, I believe your veiled criticisms are worse.  And why did you omit to criticize the one comment essentially saying Jazzy looked like a sabacka’s patootie?  

Stirlitz, you are a UM and know infinitely more about your people than I do.  I agree with you and Dave that they are not sensitive to the feelings of strangers, sales staff, etc.  Yet within the FSU are pockets of class and refined manners much higher than what I observe in America. I know this firsthand from having exclusive relationship with two elegant RW for 5 years.  And neither of those women would ever pose for semi-nude photos, much less place them on the Internet.  The will "dress to the nines," and  personally I consider how tailored, fine fabric hangs on a great body to be more sexy than skintight or bare.

You are correct that many men, including you, like to flaunt their hot wives and girlfriends in public.   Yet there are many RW and UW who consider such behavior in bad taste, and the RW who posted here said exactly that.  Does that make them wrong?  No.  Does that make you wrong?  No.  These are personal choices.  It is good for readers to know that they can go to the FSU and find all types of women, hopefully someone exactly like they want.

[Jazzyclassy]

Dear Gator

It is absolutely vivid now why many  ukrainian women are in search of a western men

Well for a long time I never heard such things from a russian speaking person
But here you go........

      Ooh that explains a lot! I could have probably done without the above theory. Let me tell you a common saying: “A beautiful woman is joy for men’s eyes. An ugly one is joy for women’s eyes.” The reverse is also true. This explains Jazzyclassy as well
          

and there is  another one

      we lost a lot of something. Things like tact, class, civility are seldom something more than just words to working people. They are often very direct and have no problem saying that somebody’s wife is common-looking in the presence of the husband and have a hard time when being told it is not done. Their point is if she is really ugly why should I not speak about it? And you can go mad trying to explain them anything about other people’s feelings. They do not care because their feelings are pretty rough and not so sensitive.

          

ahahahh it is even funny I wonder where is Your tact?

It is getting really annoying, some very specific men are trying to attack an interesting point of view, opinion which has a right to exist, for no reason.

 God bless you to pray and love and сherish such models women  none is telling you the opposite , just apparently , you " love them " so much that allow the other men to observe their nude bodies plus making it as a school competition of immature boys who are discussing who's chick got bigger size or whatever.....

People are not growing up they are still the same children which we can vividly seen here in this particular case.......

...............boys who can only worship  and appreciate plain picture.......


and yeah I am probably very very bad person , just can not help but comment here

[/b]To answer a question I am often asked here: No I am not an American and I have never been to an English-speaking country. I have lived in Odessa, Ukraine since I was born there and learned the language on my own. And I have no plans to relocate overseas.
 [/b]

Do not delude yourself dearest , you are  200% pure ukrainian man, nothing english and amercian here:P

[Rvrwind]

But then again, some western guys don't really get it either.

If that is what you alude to as being PC well you can stickthat where the sun don't shine, because I tell it like it is & if it hurts your itty bitty feelin's TFB! You figure its okay to talk behind somebodies back but not to their face just a Sterlitz said, sorry to me that is chickensh!t. You havn't got the gonads to say it to my face then you don't have the right to say it at all. I don't like somebody, I don't hide it, I think your woman is butt ugly I'm gonna tell you if you ask. I won't say a word to your face or behind your back unless you ask, but if you ask you best be ready to handle the answer, otherwise, don't ask! But I would never say something in private that I didn't have the gonads to say to your face.
Thats one of the biggest problems in this word everybody molly coddlin' everybody to make them feel good about being screwups. Not from my corner, you get the facts as I see 'em & if you don't like 'em, like I said,TFB. But I won't lie or cover it with honey just to make somebody feel good, no way!

We also call that "two faced".

I find it rather hypocritical of you to post this in another thread & then post what you did in this thread. Seems the epitomy of hypocracy to me.
As for Stirlits other comment:

“A beautiful woman is joy for men’s eyes. An ugly one is joy for women’s eyes.” The reverse is also true.

I think he meant by the reerse in that "A handsome man is a joy for women's eyes. An ugly one is a joy for mens eyes."
Not sure if I like what that suggests ??? but I think that is what he meant, I could be wrong however.

[Daveman]

Rvrwind,

Your post is truly hilarious.  Really.  Some of it actually makes good sense, and then other parts are nothing more than blathering paranoia.  Sounds to me like something in the post struck a nerve. I even rated quotations from two different threads to fuel the fire.  Whaddya doin'?? cawlin' me owt at sunup??
 
Do you even understand the difference between social grace and political correctness? The latter I neither mentioned nor addressed. The former is taught by dutiful parents.  Obviously a measure of parental guidance which was somehow overlooked in some cases.

It's one thing to whack someone over the head with the clue stick of experience when he's about to do something completely stupid, but there's absolutely no reason to trash a man's wife, and there's neither reason nor justification to be disrespectful to any woman on here at any time.  Period.

I can respect "tellin' it like it is", but there is a fine line between honesty and assholiness, directness and dickheadedness.  Have you crossed it? Well, you're the one who ultimately has to answer that.

Dave

[Rvrwind]

Have you crossed it? Well, you're the one who ultimately has to answer that.

Probably on many occaisions, but I calls 'em the way I see's 'em, social graces be damned. Social Graces, another word used by plastic people from on high to molly coddle their pretend & plastic friends, give me a break. Like a movie star I once overheard in a conversation with one of his 'friends' & I quote - "I never met a fan or a friend I couldn't buy!" Plastic people with plastic lives!
I'm just a simple Cowboy from a simple family that for the most part lived a simple life, no frills, no lies & no expectations, just doin' what needs doin' & doin' it straight, But I still won't say anything behind your back I won't say to your face, thats a cowards veiw & I won't tell some dame she hot as all get out when anyone can plainly see she's uglier than 50 miles of bad road! Same as I won't tell some 50 year old dude to hop on a plane & come to Russia & 'pick out his puppy' cuz dewd you only look 35, naw to superficial & plastic for my taste. I'm gonna tell him the truth & if he don't like it he can take his buisness elswhere but I ain't gonna sugar coat it to make him feel better & to steal his money like most would. If you havn't the gonads to say it to their face then don't say it at all.
Yeah, you could say you struck a nerve. I hate liars & cowards & you sit here condoning both. Where I come from they call people that do that two faced backstabbers.
As far as paranoia goes, no sir, don't got some & don't need some. Got nothin' to be paranoid about.
One of the benifits of being a simple man is we don't leave room for folks to misunderstand our motives or intentions.

[Vaughn]

LOL, Richard! Now - how do you define "diplomacy?"

[Jazzyclassy]

That John K provoked people on some crazy arguments and scandals and meanwhile is reading all this and laughing , how he managed to shake people with his extraordinary pictures

Why post  very doubtful things about his life and then after sometime go underground and never even comment .............

very brave man!

[Stirlitz]

I do not understand the “reverse”.  Are you saying Jazzy is ugly?

I think he meant by the reerse in that "A handsome man is a joy for women's eyes. An ugly one is a joy for mens eyes."

No not at all. You (and Rvrwind) are wrong in your interpretation. Perhaps reverse is not the right word for what I meant. I just meant that an ugly woman makes a man sick and a beautiful woman would make a woman sick, that is all and no reference to anyone specific. Jazzy’s looks have nothing to do with that. Any woman, ugly or beautiful feels better when she sees an ugly woman and feels ill at ease when there is a beautiful woman around. Of course, if the woman who is looking is ugly, her feelings are more intense. But it is just an observation which I believe explains what some women here write yet it does not allow to judge their beauty.

You start with a statement that Russia lost its “tact, class, and civility” with the revolution.  That may be true, yet America’s manners have also declined remarkably without a political revolution… Yet within the FSU are pockets of class and refined manners much higher than what I observe in America.

That is typical when you compare America and Russia. You can meet very rich and very poor people in Russia as well. I mean by American standards, very rich. America is more leveled in this respect. The pockets that you mention are the remains of ‘intelligentsiya’ and their superb level makes the total close to America together with the much lower level of the rest of the people who are often referred to as 'bydlo' because of their extremely low class and lack of manners.

Note: again, I did not mean anyone specific, just explaining the situation in the FSU.

[Rvrwind]

LOL, Richard! Now - how do you define "diplomacy?"

With a 44 magnum!!!! 

[Daveman]

Probably on many occaisions, but I calls 'em the way I see's 'em, social graces be damned. Social Graces, another word used by plastic people from on high to molly coddle their pretend & plastic friends, give me a break. Like a movie star I once overheard in a conversation with one of his 'friends' & I quote - "I never met a fan or a friend I couldn't buy!" Plastic people with plastic lives!
I'm just a simple Cowboy from a simple family that for the most part lived a simple life, no frills, no lies & no expectations, just doin' what needs doin' & doin' it straight, But I still won't say anything behind your back I won't say to your face, thats a cowards veiw & I won't tell some dame she hot as all get out when anyone can plainly see she's uglier than 50 miles of bad road! Same as I won't tell some 50 year old dude to hop on a plane & come to Russia & 'pick out his puppy' cuz dewd you only look 35, naw to superficial & plastic for my taste. I'm gonna tell him the truth & if he don't like it he can take his buisness elswhere but I ain't gonna sugar coat it to make him feel better & to steal his money like most would. If you havn't the gonads to say it to their face then don't say it at all.
Yeah, you could say you struck a nerve. I hate liars & cowards & you sit here condoning both. Where I come from they call people that do that two faced backstabbers.
As far as paranoia goes, no sir, don't got some & don't need some. Got nothin' to be paranoid about.
One of the benifits of being a simple man is we don't leave room for folks to misunderstand our motives or intentions.

If you havn't the gonads to say it to their face then don't say it at all.
Yeah, you could say you struck a nerve. I hate liars & cowards & you sit here condoning both. Where I come from they call people that do that two faced backstabbers.
As far as paranoia goes, no sir, don't got some & don't need some. Got nothin' to be paranoid about.
One of the benifits of being a simple man is we don't leave room for folks to misunderstand our motives or intentions.

Ok Rvrwind,

I'm reading your two posts again here in the real attempt to understand what you are talking about and, well, why you are talking about it.  I understand your comments about plastic people, and I agree.  I just don't see how that applies here,  as this is cyberspace in a forum with a specific thrust, intent, and purpose.  I definitely understand and agree with you being blatantly and bluntly honest with clients.  I would prefer to deal with someone who tells it exactly like it is.

What I don't get... do this for me, point our anywhere on this board where I have condoned backstabbing,  lying, hypocrisy, or where I've been two faced.  Being Polite or respectful has nothing to do with those. 

Do you honestly think it's acceptable to tell a woman here she belongs on a foggy street corner? I don't get that.  It's nothing more than a ridiculous personal attack with a specific intent.   

Like someone else mentioned. What if it were your sister? You introduced me to your sister, and I was 'honest' and "told it like it is" and said "Damn dude, she's butt rippin' ugly and belongs on a foggy street corner... just callin' it how I see it"  --  you don't really think that's cool, do you?

And paranoia, I don't have a clue why you decided to loose your vitriolic diatribe at me.  My comments had nothing to do with you, nor am I "too much of a coward" to say something to your face.  If I went through here a posted a comment 'to the face' of every post where I thought someone is being an asswipe, it would clutter the board and be a hindrance to the actual purpose of the board.  Now multiply that by the number of members posting.  If everyone did that every time, we'd have little assistance or direction to those in search of a RW, but rather a series of threads with nothing more than turmoil and idiocy.  The forum would dissolve into sewage.

Again, I agree with much of what you said in the second post as well, but I really don't get where this other horseshit is coming from.  I still say that directness is best tempered with a modicum of forethought.

Dave

[WmGO]

To JohnK,

Sorry you had to endure all the crap in this thread. Unfortunately, that is the way this particular forum is. It is nothing like the old PL. It is a very small group populated with mostly small minds and small hearts all trying to make themselves look and sound big.

The FSUW are just jealous of your wife's beauty. Plain and simple. They prove the axiom that "women are women everywhere" : they are jealous, catty and territorial by nature, one of their more ugly attributes, regardless of nationality.  They are so petty and illogical that they will probably respond to that observation by posting some garbage that they *think*  has some kind of rebuttal value as if it  somehow negates the error of their ways displayed in this thread (pathetically attacking another man's wife). They simply do not possess the intelligence or integrity to see their own fault. That is the Russian way of course (as Sterlitz correctly points out). But you found the exception to the rule so don't let the peons drag you down - after all, that is all they seek to do, just like crabs in a bucket.

The worst thing though is not the FSUW mentality, that is to be expected from most women. Rather, it is what some of the WM have posted. Not even on the old PL would you see that kind of feces. That is all it is so ignore it.

Best wishes to you and your wife.