Beware of ualadys.

[livinginukraine]

Beware of ualadys. I live in Ukraine and know someone who works in one of the branches. Word has it that they churn out letters factory-style and often write themselves. They do not allow their girls to turn down a man who has requested to communicate with them, even if they dont want to. They did not allow me to go to their office to check them out and ask them questions. They scare the girls so that they dont get in personal contact with a guy or go to another agency. Beware!

[Jack]

Hello livinginukraine, so their is no mis-understandings, how about a url to this site you are advising us of.

Not sure who you are or if maybe these are competitors of yours but I would like to do a little checking myself and you could help me but telling me this agencies web address.

You know someone who told someone who told you is hearsay. You don't condemn an agency on hearsay or I would have been buried a long time ago. 

[SANDRO43]

Hello livinginukraine, so their is no mis-understandings, how about a url to this site you are advising us of.

Jack, a few months ago Confidential Connections split their operations into:

-  UA Ladys : http://www.ualadys.com/
-  RU Ladys : http://www.ruladys.com/

(note the plurals ). They do discourage the exchange of personal info in letters and phone calls, obviously (reading a message from a woman is for free, responding is around $4). 

[Jack]

Sandro if Confidential Connections is involved, that's all I need to hear. scam, scam, scam.

Thanks Sandro and livinginukraine.

[tim 360]

Yeah Jack definitely the same old bogus operation, but with a new name.

[spamislame]

Hi. I joined up specifically to be a part of this conversation due to the illegal nature of the spam being sent by this company.

ualadys is behind a rampant, non-stop series of completely unwanted spam messages using bulletproof email domains.

They spam anyone and ignore all spam complaints, including the random removal of "support tickets" if you actually join up and complain to them about spamming. They know they spam. They do it relentlessly. They don't care that nobody wants to receive it. I don't know how they make any profit from that. It's a ridiculous method of procuring new customers.

Here are some recent examples of their spam messages, received by thousands of people who don't want them:

Do not ignore me please,
I found your email somewhere and now decided to write you.
Let me know if you do not mind. If you want I can send you some pictures of me.
I am a nice pretty girl. Don't reply to this email.
Email me direclty at [random]@supervisioncare.info

Hi! I am tired this evening. I am 25 y.o. girl that would like to chat with you. Email me at [random]@anymailonline.info only. You will see some of my private pics.

Hi! I am bored today. I am 25 y.o. girl that would like to chat with you. Email me at [random]@anymailonline.info only. To see my pics

Hi! I am bored this afternoon. I am 25 y.o. girl that would like to chat with you. Email me at [random]@anymailonline.info only. Would you mind if I share some of my pictures with you?

The whole thing is a lie, of course. The recipient probably isn't a member of any dating site, nor has there been any prior contact.

They are signing up affiliates to spam these messages to millions of people who don't want them, and then paying the affiliates for replies.

As an aside, starting in November of 2006, the spam messages behind the UALadys come-ons would typically feature reply emails using domains which were hosting an illegal pharmacy site known as "Pharma Shop." They corrected this in March of 2007 when it was too obvious to ignore. It must have been hurting business.

They have quite a horrendous history behind them and as mentioned are most definitely related to Confidential Connections. (Alleged to be the exact same group of people.)

http://www.antiscam.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=855
http://www.spaminmyinbox.com/2007/07/marriage-agency-scam-update.html
http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&topicid=3201&page=1

Tons more where those came from.

Stay far, far away.

SiL

[Admin]

SiL,

Suggest you make use of some SPAM *reporting* tools such as Sp@mX from Hendricom.com. They have a motto for this year "A Spammer in the Slammer" - and are working hard to achieve it. Everyone who receives spam, and reports it through their service, contributes to their goal of stopping unwanted spam, and punishing those who are spammers.

Try it.

- Dan

Oh - BTW - why don't you make an introduction in the Introductions forum, so that we might know a little more about you?

[spamislame]

SiL,

Suggest you make use of some SPAM *reporting* tools such as Sp@mX from Hendricom.com. They have a motto for this year "A Spammer in the Slammer" - and are working hard to achieve it. Everyone who receives spam, and reports it through their service, contributes to their goal of stopping unwanted spam, and punishing those who are spammers.

Try it.

Wayyy ahead of you on that. But after close to a year solid of reporting the spam for this operation, I'm seeing no results. Thus my investigation led here.

I deal directly with a lot of antispam organizations and I'm quite well known for my fight against unwanted relentless spam (notably for illegal pharmacies and stocks.)

I just thought this crucial detail was missing from this discussion. It makes it clear the operators of UALadys have absolutely no care who gets into the system as long as it generates dollars for them.

Oh - BTW - why don't you make an introduction in the Introductions forum, so that we might know a little more about you?

I most certainly will do so.

Thanx!

SiL

[Admin]

Wayyy ahead of you on that. But after close to a year solid of reporting the spam for this operation, I'm seeing no results. Thus my investigation led here.

I deal directly with a lot of antispam organizations and I'm quite well known for my fight against unwanted relentless spam (notably for illegal pharmacies and stocks.)

I just thought this crucial detail was missing from this discussion. It makes it clear the operators of UALadys have absolutely no care who gets into the system as long as it generates dollars for them.

I most certainly will do so.

Thanx!

SiL

Couple more questions:

* Does that website have a Privacy Policy or anything written which states, explicitly, that they will NOT engage in spamming practices?

* Do you know, with certainty, who and where the owners are?

If the answers are yes, and yes - you probably have legal recourse. (I am NOT an attorney, so check with one before acting on my opinions).

I imagine you have already checked into this - but I find most people, myself included, do have legitimate legal claims they are able to press, but the cost or the inconvenience becomes the impediment. In any case, it is a good idea to check to see if you have a sound legal claim - and then decide whether it makes sense to pursue it. One common hurdle which should NOT be a problem here, is that the Defendant would appear to have assets - and that is a good thing if you decide to file.

Just FWIW

- Dan

[BC]

Jack, a few months ago Confidential Connections split their operations into:

-  UA Ladys : http://www.ualadys.com/
-  RU Ladys : http://www.ruladys.com/

(note the plurals ). They do discourage the exchange of personal info in letters and phone calls, obviously (reading a message from a woman is for free, responding is around $4). 

 

Certainly no winners of the internet spelling bee..

*If* I were ever to use an agency, those I would even consider using could be counted on one finger.

[Admin]

Certainly no winners of the internet spelling bee..

*If* I were ever to use an agency, those I would even consider using could be counted on one finger.

That wouldn't be the MIDDLE finger now would it BC?

 

- Dan

[BC]

Dan,

LOL!!

We really have to get together sometime..

[Sculpto]

I have a story that should be of interest to everyone regarding this agency and its previous form, confidential connections.  In fact, it is my research into the attempted scam that brought me to this forum in the first place...

Over a year ago I began corresponding with a "lady" from the Poltava office of CC Agency.  The letters were nice, frequent, had all the right language and so on.  I liked the "girl" a lot.  finally I requested a live webcam session with her and she refused.  The next day she suddenly had to go to Israel to help her dying grandmother and did not know when she might be back.  Bummer, but, being a newbie and naive I believed it.  So, as it happened I found another girl from the same office that I liked, new set of letters, different "tone" but again, all the right words and thoughts.  In a shorter time I requested the webcam session and again a refusal and this time the girl just "quit" the agency with no notice.  That was enough for me.

I contacted customer service and got the runaround for over one month.  being the persistent guy that I am I kept calling and demanded to speak with the owner.. the infamous Steven S.  He suprised me by being responsive to my issues and promised to look into it.  After a short time passed he reported he was unable to find anything wrong, but, offered to refund my money spent and did so through the site.  I recieved back every penny spent, including the $150 for English lessons for the first girl given as a b-day gift that "she" never used.  I was satisfied and felt vindicated.  However, I must add that I had continued to do research into this girl and stumbled across her profile on another site that still sells personal contact info.  So, now I had her address and home phone number.  I got one of my russian speaking friends and we made the call.  The girl had never heard of me, never went to Israel and wanted to remove herself from the CC site.  Steven S. could not refute this information and no matter what his agency manager in Poltava told him it was all lies.

So, I was ready to drop the whole thing as a lesson learned.  I got my money back.. what more could I ask for?  but then, a few weeks later, I got a virulent letter from the manager of the Poltava office accusing me of this and that and the letter was right on the verge of being threatening.  So, I copied it and sent it off to Steven S.  I told him that I was furious with the content of this letter, I demanded no further contact with his scam agency and informed him that I had already contacted a class action lawyer and was in the position to solicit other men who had bad experiences with his agency.  If I recieved even one more contact from him or anyone representing him I would pull the trigger on the class action suit and name Steven S. in the case.

Within two days the CC site was offline.

A few weeks or maybe a month later it reappeared as UALadys.  Steven S. is no where to be seen on the site but I think we can all be certain he is still somewhere in the shadows counting the money and sniggling at the stupidity and desperation of the men who fork over their hard earned money.

[Jack]

Thanks for the information and post Sculpto. 

This is bound to help others. 

[Rvrwind]

Ditto the above.
But unfortunate that these jokers cannot be charged & convicted & sent away for a very lng time!!!

[docetae]

UAladys aka CC is totally a scam. I went there in 2006, and the good thing for me, I traveled by my own and paid nothing to them except letters and meeting fees. I met the woman I am still dating in front of the elevator going to their office.

only one letter over 3 was genuine and even in this case, romance was added. It seems to be well known that they hire students, even engaged to meet men. I have met after one other girl who was on the site and she was not even aware that I have written to her. I have still a profile with them (1m55, 55years old , 95kg) and I receive my mail from a lady who is eager to meet me every week.

[skyscraper007]

Unfortunately most negative comments are more true than not. I have been writing for several years in hopes to circumvent bumbling about in search of aspiring ladies but have encountered much and more of what has been written on this subject. The agency posts luring sexual inticing photos to captivate a man to further energize his desire for one of those beauties but those photos are mock-ups and some subscripts taken from model shots. This agency seems more bent on jsut making money than really encouraging unions for marriage. They tell their ladies not to admit speaking English to conjure up translation fees. I've heard from an ex manager of a competitor of there fairly well known that they generate anywheres from 1 to 2 million bucks a week just thru letter writing so seeems comments about back door student writers is true and I have even walked in on some of them busily writing away.
  Not only enticing letters to get you hooked in continually writing but the ladies are not obligated to spend more than a 1/2 hour on meetings and then the translator fees scam sets in. If meeting is pleasant the usual is to spring for lunch somewhere and then its a hello , I had a good time thankyou and goodbye . Fees charged are inflated their apartment costs are double of what is available and if you succumb to their direction you will be shifted into a lower class almost basement type apartment so they can make more money off your prepaid account. If you ever give money forget about getting a refund , it doesn't happen or very unlikely to say the least.
   Sadly, I myself refused to believe such unscrupulous techniques would be used but they are .
 The best I can say is try to learn the language and mingle amongst the average citizen in the plazas, the malls , the shops . make friends and they will expose you too sincere ladies who really are not being used as carrots to catch the rabbits.

[steveboy]

Isn't The whole idea of writing letters to women on any of these agencies completely PREHISTORIC in todays modern world??? Its like trying to swim across the English Channel when there is a ferry, how would you choose to cross?
Its the most outdated way of meeting any women in the world, completely unreal guys still choose to meet in this way

[russian_guy]

steveboy,  the answer is simple: where else can average looking 40-60 y.o. and average earning guys find 18-25 y.o. models-like girls eagerly waiting for them? )

Yes, the guys are not idiots and understand that it's virtually impossible but the thought that "this young, charming, sexy beauty-angel could be mine.. my wife, my mate" just overdrives all logic and normal reasoning. Sadly but true.

BTW, I confirm that ualadys is a total scam.

I've lived outside of Russia for many years and used the same way to find a girl. I have an account at ualadys, as well. On average, during the last year or so, I receive 3-7 first emails every day. Mostly, from young and beautiful girls saying they would be happy to know me better and, in the end, to marry me. I have replied to none. The reason: my profile clearly says (in Russian!) that I'm Russian and live in Russia. Nevertheless, they all write me in English, all say about "culture and language difference" but they are ready to overcome that (they are native Russian speakers and Ukraine and Russia have basically the same culture). Not a single word about any fact in my profile, not a single word about "what does Russian do on this site?", etc. One "girl" even signed her letter with different name)) Obviously, a hired spammer was too tired of sending out hundreds emails a day and signed one incorrectly.

Even the most credited agencies have 70-80% of spammers and just "hard workers" - the girls who communicate with guys for a small fraction of money those guys pay to agencies. I know that for sure because many girls I met personally were very frank with me seeing in me "a local guy" and wanting to tell me "the ugly truth".

So, the facts are:

1. If you just exchange emails with a girl via agency site, 95% she is a hired "manager" to manage 20-200 girls' accounts and correspond for them, 4.9% she just earns money, 0.1% she does that genuinely.

2. If you see a girl on a web-cam too, then 80% she does the whole thing just to earn some pocket money - 100-200 USD per month is quite a money in Ukraine for a young girl.

So, the only way to check the real motive is to get the girl off the agency. Whether it's a real meeting or there's a way to buy her contact info and correspond directly, it doesn't matter. If she doesn't really want you, she'll find millions of reasons why you should stick to the agency site and correspond only through it. Or, she'll just disappear.

To finish with a good mood, I'll tell about one such "manager", a girl who was hired by an agency to correspond on behalf of several dozen girls. When I met her in Ukraine, I asked her: "How can you lie intentionally and get money for that? Don't you think it's bad? Your job is to lie to other people, this is all it is." She answered: "Yes, this is all it is. But if a man is such an idiot that he believes a beautiful girl 20-40 years younger will eagerly want him, then he deserves to be fooled and robbed off some money!"

Have a good time with your email brides, gentlemen.

[Chicagoguy]

I believe the only way to advance in this game is to go. As of today I can get plane from Chicago plus decent hotel for 14 days  for $2800 total. By meeting your woman and maybe a couple of backups you will learn more than we can ever teach you on this site. Of course there will be extraneous expenses but you would have these even if you vacationed at home.

If you are too fearful to go alone than maybe you are not ready for this adventure. But if you are meeting a good woman she can be a huge help. Not many here will recommend tours but this is always a possibility.

[Anotherkiwi]

To finish with a good mood, I'll tell about one such "manager", a girl who was hired by an agency to correspond on behalf of several dozen girls. When I met her in Ukraine, I asked her: "How can you lie intentionally and get money for that? Don't you think it's bad? Your job is to lie to other people, this is all it is." She answered: "Yes, this is all it is. But if a man is such an idiot that he believes a beautiful girl 20-40 years younger will eagerly want him, then he deserves to be fooled and robbed off some money!"

First,  russian_guy!  We only seem to have one other active Russian male (Belvis, who still lives in Russia), so it's nice to see a fresh name.

Regarding the part which I've bolded above, this was the exact scenario which was discussed on here perhaps a year or 18 months ago.  There seems to be pretty much a straight split between members on this:

1.  Several of the Russian women say the same as your acquaintance - they're idiots, so they deserve to be robbed.
2.  Everyone else says the opposite - it doesn't matter if they're idiots, nobody DESERVES to be robbed.

A man in this situation is going to lose enough money anyway, with flights and other travel costs should he actually get off his bum and go to Russia or Ukraine.  To be ripped off for thousands more by a totally unfeeling agency and/or staff members posing as "genuine" date seekers is, to me, just as bad as any other ripoff scheme.

How would our RW members themselves like to be the victim of some sort of con (maybe to do with investment savings, for example)?  Sure, we all know that there are plenty of guys out there who really should still have their hand held even to walk across the street, but the average Westerner is not going to rip them off just because they show all the hallmarks of the classic mug.

It appears that the experience of every male involved in this search is that there are many agencies for whom the sole object in life is to screw their customers over as many times as possible.  I honestly can't see any reason why most guys should even bother, especially when they read the comments of married members here who, almost without exception, state that they would never have tried this if they knew everything that it involved (and this from people who are very happily married to women from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and everywhere else east of the old Iron Curtain).

Thank goodness that none of the women I met and dated in the FSU were like that!

[Shadow]

How would our RW members themselves like to be the victim of some sort of con (maybe to do with investment savings, for example)?  Sure, we all know that there are plenty of guys out there who really should still have their hand held even to walk across the street, but the average Westerner is not going to rip them off just because they show all the hallmarks of the classic mug.

I guess you are blissfully unaware of the behviour of many male scumbags.

[Chicagoguy]

I jumped into this discussion without noticing the dates. This goes back to 2007 and then jumps up to Aug./2013. Reactivated 9/14. So who are we talking to? Original guys might be long gone.

[Gator]

I guess you are blissfully unaware of the behviour of many male scumbags.

Good point.  FSUW should not expect all Western men to be sincere .  This is parallel with Western men should not expect Western business ethics in the FSU.


Preventative measures: 


                       Western men - Follow the RWD Ten Commandments.
         
                       FSU Women - Keep your panties on.     


             

[Drew]

         
                       FSU Women - Keep your panties on.                 

Doesn't that make for some awkward sex?