I've met a wonderful gal In Czech Republic

[Makkin]

Hello,

  Looks as if I may be heading to the Czech Republic soon if all works out in my plans. Met a fine lady who speaks fluent English and we have been sharing the web cam lately.
  Never crossed my mind to go there but since meeting her on the internet I'm really looking into the prospect.
  Has anyone had experience with this country and the ladies?

Thanks,

Makkin

[Crow331]

Congrats Makkin!  Where did you meet her? 

I'm going to the Czech Republic in September and I wouldn't mind meeting myself a wonderful gal myself ! 

[I/O]

AJ is a past master of that area.  He lived there as I understand for quite some time.  If I was you, I would be seeking his advice sooner rather than later.

I/O

[Jazzyclassy]

Dear Makkin


I am very glad for you at least it is not my "favourite" region:)))

I am sure things will work out for you , I hope for the best for you

[Leslie]

Well Makkin,

The MOB business in Czech is "dead and Buried" and has been for some years now.  What remains of the agency business is for the most part "escort" agency...

Sure you can meet a nice girl in Czech but there is little economic push to emigrate.  Have you been to Prague lately?  It has become a European capital city.  Czech is part of the EU so no problem with going to another country and working.  The women there have other avenues than marriage if they are seeking a better life.

I would not miss out on a trip to Prague but there are many other places which have better possibilities for finding a girlfriend.

[Jazzyclassy]

       Sure you can meet a nice girl in Czech but there is little economic push to emigrate.  Have you been to Prague lately?  It has become a European capital city.  Czech is part of the EU so no problem with going to another country and working.  The women there have other avenues than marriage if they are seeking a better life.

          

you know dear Leslie you just pointed out that all women from FSU are highly motivated only to immigrate and that is why they do all these international marriages

By this statement you just support my idea of the fact that some not all young women but many are selling themselves in Russia

you all keep fighting with these statements of mine and here you go Leslie  5: 0 my favour so to say

clearly supported my point of view about  a lot of marriages are for money  , marriage of convenience

and why Czech girl wont be good for Makkin if she is for example beautiful smart and financially stable it is even better for him I see no reason why he should search a woman in the other places as you pointed here! He is absolutely lucky to find financially stable woman , that means she will love him for him not for his position and money

of course money are important but not that much

[Gator]

Czech girls may have better economic opportunities, but they need love too.  Everyone needs some loving. 

Good luck Makkin.  At least you know there is no hidden agenda.  You must win her heart, and that is true love.

[Leslie]

Jazzy,

The engine of International Marriage Agencies is relative poverty.  I have been travelling to Eastern Europe for 12 years and the "hey Days" of IM are over.  Ten years ago a western guy would be feted (even fought over if he was a nice guy!)  Now it is much harder.

Use google to do some research.  How many agencies can you find for Chinese or Thai girls? How many for Swiss and French girls LOL!!  The bottom line in IM is dreams of a better life...

I have travelled this road from the beginning to a regular marriage.  Any guy who thinks his FSU girlfriend would still leave her family and friends behind and emigrate if he had no job and was living in a trailer needs-electro convulsive shock therapy to bring him back to reality.  It is the same as a woman thinking her guy would still love her if she let her weight balloon to 100Kg and spent every waking hour watching TV.

I do not know Makkin's lady and I wish him the best of luck.  The point I was making relates to "agencies" in Czech. The same is true for St Pete.  Nowadays the marriage agencies in these locations are mostly a cover for prostitution. You will hardly find ANY woman who would chose to emigrate if a decent alternative existed at home at home.  That is a simple fact.

Coming to live in a foreign culture IS very difficult as you will soon find out for yourself.  A romantic affair is easy.  Building a new life is very much harder.  If you take out the economic leverage the International marriages that remain are in the ex patriot community amongst people who have already broken their ties to home.

[Admin]

Jazzy,

The engine of International Marriage Agencies is relative poverty.  I have been travelling to Eastern Europe for 12 years and the "hey Days" of IM are over.  Ten years ago a western guy would be feted (even fought over if he was a nice guy!)  Now it is much harder.

Use google to do some research.  How many agencies can you find for Chinese or Thai girls? How many for Swiss and French girls LOL!!  The bottom line in IM is dreams of a better life...

I have travelled this road from the beginning to a regular marriage.  Any guy who thinks his FSU girlfriend would still leave her family and friends behind and emigrate if he had no job and was living in a trailer needs-electro convulsive shock therapy to bring him back to reality.  It is the same as a woman thinking her guy would still love her if she let her weight balloon to 100Kg and spent every waking hour watching TV.

I do not know Makkin's lady and I wish him the best of luck.  The point I was making relates to "agencies" in Czech. The same is true for St Pete.  Nowadays the marriage agencies in these locations are mostly a cover for prostitution. You will hardly find ANY woman who would chose to emigrate if a decent alternative existed at home at home.  That is a simple fact.

Coming to live in a foreign culture IS very difficult as you will soon find out for yourself.  A romantic affair is easy.  Building a new life is very much harder.  If you take out the economic leverage the International marriages that remain are in the ex patriot community amongst people who have already broken their ties to home.

Les,

I think this falls into the category of a topic in which it is all about personal opinion - as there is little 'knowable' fact to undergird a position either way.

For instance, I have lived in Germany and Taiwan. I have traveled extensively throughout Asia and Europe. I have met inter-cultural couples in ALL countries - and many who are completely atypical. For example, I met several AW married to German men in the Nuernberg area. I have met Brit expats married to Thai women from VERY wealthy and powerful families - far beyond that of the British expat.

I have also spent some time in Prague. It is reasonably close to Nuernberg, hence, a short trip for a visit. I like Prague quite a lot. I also found no shortage of foreign women who were quite open to relationships with western men in any of the countries where I stayed long enough to form an opinion - and I do not mean those women who are for rent.

My guess is that you are correct about the gild coming off the lily in the FSU because the 'novelty' factor is worn thin (or off). I further suspect there will NOT be a decline in international marriages - for the following reasons:

* Communications is the engine of international relationships (not economic leverage, although that does create an undeniable influence, just not the principal influence - IMO)
* Communications media will continue to grow and we will see greater and greater market penetration of numerous communication types
* There are more and more people who are open and receptive to the notion of an international relationship - sense of adventure maybe, or just breaking down of barriers

For these reasons, I anticipate we will see growth of international relationships - provided the AW feminazis are set-back in terms of their misguided efforts to stifle the opportunities.

Just one perspective - FWIW

- Dan

[Lily]

* Communications is the engine of international relationships (not economic leverage, although that does create an undeniable influence, just not the principal influence - IMO)
 - Dan

Agree  thank you Dan for posting this.

Love and relationships grow on communication. That's why we were able to do our searches by the fastest and most efficient way, and that's why we all are here, actually.

And Swiss, French, German girls are very well represented at international dating sites.

I guess that a good reason for a  person to go to the site that promotes a particular nation is a preference for certain national type. Some like it Slavic or Asian, for instance.

 

[Leslie]

Dan,

I agree with you entirely when you are talking about international marriages where the relationship is formed when one (or both) of the parties are expatriate (i.e. living in a foreign country) or perhaps visiting on business for extended periods.  These relationships are often formed via meetings through mutual friends or work.

I also agree with your assertion that the rise in communication and the growth of the "global village" has had a very significant impact on international dating.  The younger generation use internet dating in a very natural and open way. Indeed  I would hazard that over 90% of UK University students have tried it.  Once you have tried internet dating then international internet dating is only a small step away - particularly in Europe.

My comments were directed at the Mail Order Bride (MOB) segment of the market and there is a great deal of evidence to back my view.  Jack can still organize social tours in Russia and Ukraine.  Other companies operate similar tours to South America, the Philippines or China.  This type of activity is ONLY possible in poorer countries.  If you can find a single operation like this that visits Switzerland I will donate $100 dollars to the charity you nominate 

The simple fact is that MOB has been in decline in Eastern Europe for the last 10 years.  Ask ANY agency owner and they will say the volume days are in the past.  9/11 did irreparable damage to the US market.  The "big" agencies never recovered.  The reason behind this is very clear.  Expansion of the EU and rising economic wealth.  I visited Prague back in 1994 with a British agency called "Czech Mate"  it was run by a British/Czech couple living in Milton Keynes.  Back then it was very, very easy.  Today if you want to marry a Czech girl the best strategy is to go and work there for a while.

The girls seem to think I am denigrating them.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I am married to a Ukrainian!  However I am under no illusion that Natasha's criteria were biased towards wealth and status whilst mine were focused on youth and beauty    We both kept our sides of the marriage deal and we built a successful relationship.  Oh and I did not rescue my wife from poverty.  She was the daughter of a senior officer in the red air service.  She grew up in a huge 5 room apartment.  It is hard to be humble when your dad is the base commander!

The romance aspect is overplayed.  It is very important in the beginning.  Being happily in lust is a great start but making a cross cultural marriage work is very hard work.  Natasha has come a long, long way in the last five years.

Enough for now.  Toma is crying.

[Makkin]

Hello,

  This woman I met is not in need of my money as it seems. We have become good friends and want to meet each other one day that is sooner than later. We talk a lot and it is everyday now.
  She is younger than me but only by about four years. We have a lot in common and met by accident. We talked an hour before we knew where we were from..lol

  I like this woman a lot and I hope things evolve.

Thanks,

Makkin

  Thanks everyone for the input as I appreciate it very much.

[DKMM]

To put it in plainer English, the days of old farts marrying girls young enough to be their daughters are mostly over except for more disadvantaged areas of FSU.  However, the people looking for an equal so to speak are getting more and more oriented towards international dating.  This is causing the growth in the industry.  Its probably not very fun for some to think they 'missed the boat' but I don't think its quite like that.

[Totoro]

bring him back to reality.  It is the same as a woman thinking her guy would still love her if she let her weight balloon to 100Kg and spent every waking hour watching TV.

Sorry Leslie, but I have to disagree with what you wrote. Weight in itself does not make a woman (or a man) more or less attractive. I know a few women well over 100 Kg (a couple are up to 170!) who, nonetheless, are very attractive and even sexy. I surely would like to go on a date with some of them, if they were interested ^_^
Watching TV all day long is a different matter, ok... ^_^

[Makkin]

Hello,

  She's not "my girl" but she really is a wonderful catch for someone lucky. I hope I'm lucky and my genuine heart is easy to see.

  LOL....I'm in a situation of infatuation now and it feels fine..lol

Makkin

[Phil dAmore]

FWIW, on a recent trip to Finland I happened to meet a Czech woman... Very nice and friendly and quite easy on the eyes if I say so myself.

Good luck to you!!

[Makkin]

Thanks Phil...Best of luck to you as well.

Makkin

[jakeob]

makkin

I tried to find a girl in Czeck in 2004, i went there and placed an add in a local paper "Announce" i think it was, i got several replies.  One girl was very nice about 26, i was 37 at the time she spoke English her mother and father were in politics very well to do.

She came here to uk for a holiday for 3 weeks, and really it was very easy , compared to my last trip to Peru that cost thousands. So she could be a great girl so go for it.

in fact i am thinking about doing the same add in Romania

neil

[Makkin]

Hello Jakeob,

  Thanks for the information as it's always useful.
 

   Yea there is something cool about this lady and she is very different from Ukraine and Russia (in my opinion..lol)

   I really like the layed back approach she has and she reminds me of the happy Dutch people.

  Yea...Im gonna go back to Ukraine but I suppose I'm gonna make a stop on the way to the Czech Republic......Thanks for your thoughts and wish you well in all things.

Makkin

[LTCOLBIEGARD]

     One of my ex -girlfriends brother was/is married to a girl directly from the Czech  Republic.  There are many that live in the Orange Beach, Alabama area. I had the oppotunity to  spend alot of time with these people. I found them to be very hard working, moral and very friendly people.  The women seem to be very good women , and willing to  put up with alot of bs from men.  They are very industrious people.
     During my 4-5  years around them I never experienced any bad traits or bad actions period. I will say, they are very family / countrymen oriented- You would not want to deal them a bad card. Atleast the families I knew.  They drink alot even by FSU standards, and they always have the inside connection to absinthe. Another plus in my books!!!

I haven't a bad word about any of them.

[tuller]

I found this site on Czech Ladies....wayyyyy out of my price range.
http://www.flyinghearts.us/pricing.htm

tuller

[Lily]

I only read the section 'Czech Women and Russian women' 

Well, looking for a Czech one may be an option, but they are really that few..I mean, the country is a small one.

There may also be free Czech matchmaking sites, may be it makes sense to look after them.

[wiz]

Lesley

The romance aspect is overplayed.  It is very important in the beginning.  Being happily in lust is a great start but making a cross cultural marriage work is very hard work. 

Lesley

Totally agree with you that to make a relationship between two different cultures to work is a very hard and long time work. The obstacles are huge and if both parties are serious in their relationship the road to happiness is full of bumps and holes. I found that the hard way from my last experience and I am not an idiot as some people think about my actions.

I find amazing how some men can visit the FSU meet a woman 2 -3 times for few days and then offer to marry her. It is like going to the Casino put all you money in one number and hope you get lucky! Fat chance and that is why so many K-1 cases fail.

Also I found certain statements made on the board from some persons, who met a woman for ONLY a week and now feel she is the “Best thing ever since sliced bread is discovered”.
I am waiting to see what happens when they get together to live as a husband and wife for some longer period. Sure enough they will find out the same way, as I did, how difficult is to bridge the gap between two different cultures.

On the other hand any relationship with huge age difference, more than 20 years, is nothing more than a business transaction for both parties. Yes that woman with the 37 years age difference for sure is madly in love with her “Deduska” Boyfriend.

[Kuna]

Lesley
Lesley

Totally agree with you that to make a relationship between two different cultures to work is a very hard and long time work. The obstacles are huge and if both parties are serious in their relationship the road to happiness is full of bumps and holes. I found that the hard way from my last experience and I am not an idiot as some people think about my actions.

I find amazing how some men can visit the FSU meet a woman 2 -3 times for few days and then offer to marry her. It is like going to the Casino put all you money in one number and hope you get lucky! Fat chance and that is why so many K-1 cases fail.

Also I found certain statements made on the board from some persons, who met a woman for ONLY a week and now feel she is the “Best thing ever since sliced bread is discovered”.
I am waiting to see what happens when they get together to live as a husband and wife for some longer period. Sure enough they will find out the same way, as I did, how difficult is to bridge the gap between two different cultures.

On the other hand any relationship with huge age difference, more than 20 years, is nothing more than a business transaction for both parties. Yes that woman with the 37 years age difference for sure is madly in love with her “Deduska” Boyfriend.

Oh wizzy... let me have some dinner before I come back this one because I get REALLY grumpy when I'm hungry.

[Kuna]

wiz,

I've eaten so I'm not as grumpy anymore... 

I'm pretty sure much of this your post is referring to me so I've just gotta respond. If you'd care to open a new thread in "Anything Goes" I'll be more than happy to debate my relationship. It's better than stuffing up someone else's thread. 

It does annoy me that you're not man enough to say exactly what you mean!  If my comments about Dear Sofia have rubbed you up the wrong way just come out and say it.  Don't hide behind comments like:

I am not an idiot as some people think about my actions.

I find amazing how some men can visit the FSU meet a woman 2 -3 times for few days and then offer to marry her.

Also I found certain statements made on the board from some persons, who met a woman for ONLY a week

So here's your post:

Lesley
Totally agree with you that to make a relationship between two different cultures to work is a very hard and long time work. The obstacles are huge and if both parties are serious in their relationship the road to happiness is full of bumps and holes. I found that the hard way from my last experience and I am not an idiot as some people think about my actions.

Any marriage is hard work ... but I've gotta say that everyone needs to decide how many bumps and holes they're prepared to put up with.  Personally I won't put up with much...  Others seem to like a bumpy ride.

It's interesting that you consider your last "experience" to be one with "cultural problems".  If this is true, does it suggest to you that you may not be a good match for a FSUW? 

I mean.. you put a lot of effort into "it" and you've been a member of RWD long enough to have an insight into RW and their cultural makeup.  Maybe it's easier to blame your problems in your last "experience" on culture rather than admit you found the wrong woman and couldn't let go of her?

wiz,  in the other thread I didn't call you an idiot.  I said anyone that marries "that woman" would be an idiot if he knew what she was like.  You haven't married her and I assume you won't. 

If she was still you're lover I wouldn't criticise you because we should all be free to make our own decisions.  "The Dilemma" was all about airing your relationship and seeking opinions though... and after she joined here and acted the way she did I am also entitled to respond.

I find amazing how some men can visit the FSU meet a woman 2 -3 times for few days and then offer to marry her. It is like going to the Casino put all you money in one number and hope you get lucky! Fat chance and that is why so many K-1 cases fail.

 
Why not?  I bet you wouldn't tell a girl over pre-dinner drinks that you didn't like her as much as you thought you would so you'll just have dinner and say goodbye.  I've done it... some might think it's rude but I know when to cut my losses!

Also I found certain statements made on the board from some persons, who met a woman for ONLY a week and now feel she is the “Best thing ever since sliced bread is discovered”.

I'm a one week wonder... I can't deny it...  I won't compare my girl to sliced bread though.

The thing that I know about My Girl is that she is a MUCH better match for me than any of the 100 or so girls I've dated at home over the past 3 years.  I tend to know EXACTLY what I want and I have enough experience with women and dating to know if they've got IT.  I'll admit I don't have enough time with My Girl to have every answer because some things can't be discussed... they can only be witnessed.  We've been through some amazingly tough times though in our very short relationship and what I saw from her was exactly the type of behaviour that gave me confidence that I am am doing the right thing.

I am waiting to see what happens when they get together to live as a husband and wife for some longer period. Sure enough they will find out the same way, as I did, how difficult is to bridge the gap between two different cultures.

You sound like you're sitting back waiting for someone else's failure so you can take some pride in your own failure.  Hmmmm....  interesting.

On the other hand any relationship with huge age difference, more than 20 years, is nothing more than a business transaction for both parties. Yes that woman with the 37 years age difference for sure is madly in love with her “Deduska” Boyfriend.

I'll let those who've entered into such a "business transaction" to whoop your a$$ for that comment.

If you want to open a new thread in Anything Goes so you can get something off your chest go ahead.  It could be interesting AND fun.

Kuna