a good woman, just not a 10

[Gator]

Lilly,

Thank you for the intelligent explanation of various reasons.  All of this helps me understand my woman because she is molded and still influenced by her culture, as I am by mine.

[mspanky]

Something tells    me that IF they came to FSU women 40+ would not be their choice as well Because there is an ocean women under 35 who have already children and who don;t want to have more ( if that's criteria for such males in chosing a partner of course)

Anyway we are talking about chances of FSU 40+ women They are little at both scene - at foreigner dating one and back at home 

 As for dating scene INSIDE foreigner country where males supposely are not spoiled by " better opportunities" they would get at FSU dating scene (to my mind it does not make those males too much different to those who are represented at FSU dating scene, it's just a matter of opportunities they have but not their "belive")   then chances to get there for women from FSU are little as well - now  if only to pick up some 60-90 years old young in heart  mule 

What do you think about such variant  if there are NO other real chances to marry for 40+ women

 Ellen,

   I previously posted pictures of famous American actors or singers married to women their age(some recent) to prove a point. Not every man will take the oppurtunity to marry young women even if they throw themselves at them. Any of the men pictured could easily have an 18+ year old wife in the U.S.  There are no shortage of beautiful young girls in the U.S. wanting to marry a famous multi-millionaire.Also, these men tarvel all over the world and see beautiful women all the time who are easily available Yet these men chose something different. I have noted a majority of hollywood men are NOT married to young girls even if they could be.

  So a man who has his head straight and falls in love with a RW he met at an American website most likely will not be swayed by youth if he is like a majority of men who are looking for a soulmate rather then eye candy.

   Ex: of more men who could get the most beautiful and young women, but  saw so much more beauty in the women they chose for wives.Every man has different taste. Most men travelling to foreign countries(not all) have a taste for younger girls.

 Bill gates one of the richest men in the world. Could have many young girls anywhere in the world.
http://peoples.ru/love/gates-melinda/gates_1.jpg


Jerry Seinfeld. Worth at least half a Billion.
http://aux.isifa.com/new.isifa.com/data/dispatch/splash_VanityFair-010503_images/14.jpg

Prince Charles and Camilla
http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/02/10/prince-charles.jpg


Robert Dinero:(could not find a pic) One of the most popular actors in Hollywood. Could marry just about any young ,beautiful woman he wanted. Yet,about 10 years ago married a very average,slightly overweight black women in her 40's. divorced her and married her again recently.

[Gator]

WmGoO wrote,

My heart goes out to all the beautiful  40+ FSUW out there. They deserve better.

Yeah, me.   

I think many 40+ RW are doing fine. 

My soon to be 42 Cozashka had no problems with attracting RM her age.  I had to steal her away from a 47-yo unmarried RM who has plenty of money.  What helped - she did not love him. 

Her woman friend of the same age, and who could lose about 25 pounds,  has a younger boyfriend.

My ex-‘s 40+ friend had a nice looking sleepover "friend" of the same age who was very pleasant and interesting man, and he happily spent a day showing me the outdoor military museum in Moscow.  He may have been married, but I did not ask.

[Gator]

mspanky,

Think of the hardship and ridicule and disfavor that Prince Charles endured to be with his best friend and lover (I guess they do it).

[Lily]

Elen posted a famous Russian painting that brings us to another remarkable thing about marriage issues in Russia.

The situation where a man was considerably older than his wife was characteristic for the Russian upper class, as illustrated. Obviously the wealth and standing accumulated by the man has played a big role.

The opposite situation, where a bride was somewhat older than her husband whereas both of them were actually very young, quite kids, was typical for rather poorer Russian people. Remember  the Pushkin's :

"..мой Ваня моложе был меня, мой свет,
А было мне тринадцать лет.."

Sorry I don't have an appropriate English translation of Pushkin.

Apparently, the rationale was that the younger they are, the better are chances to get another good healthy worker for the family.

[WmGO]

It was common is early American history for there to be very substantial age differences. The pioneering man would work his tail off to establish himself, and then when he was in his late 30s or 40s and financially stable he would marry a teenage girl or one in her early 20s and it was all considered perfectly normal. He was the stable rock and she was the young child bearer. It was not until the 20th century that large age gaps started to decline and then after WWII most marriages involved a 10 or fewer year age difference...

[BC]

I'm really enjoying this 'find' by Elen, wondering what the thoughts were of the audience. They tell a tale (at least to me), from the bride's brother and jealous lover at right to what must be her mom and pop behind the couple (surely ain't the groom's), Pa stoically accepting the situation while counting whatever profits might ensue, Ma trying to bore into the groom's mind to find a smattering of love, to the older guys on the left wondering if he can consummate..

Maybe times haven't changed that much at all from their perspective..

[philb]

I'm really enjoying this 'find' by Elen, wondering what the thoughts were of the audience. They tell a tale (at least to me), from the bride's brother and jealous lover at right to what must be her mom and pop behind the couple (surely ain't the groom's), Pa stoically accepting the situation while counting whatever profits might ensue, Ma trying to bore into the groom's mind to find a smattering of love, to the older guys on the left wondering if he can consummate..

Maybe times haven't changed that much at all from their perspective..

Yeah, that is a great painting.  There certainly is a story there.  I can't remember who the artist is...  The painting is on display in the Tretyakov Gallery in Moscow.  I could spend days there....

[Elen]

It's "Misalliance" - a work ( 1862 year)  of Vasilyi Pookirev (Василий Пукирев) Tretyakovskay gallery

And a story behind it is just Russian sad reality which was comon thing in Russia but never was seen like "normal" Nobody thought "it was because of love" and such marriages was always  a theme for critic in Russian literature, poetry and  painting

(PS We wrote essay in 7th grade in secondary school about this picture  So that's what Russian girls study in school ( in a set with Anna Karenina and Бесприданница )

[mspanky]

 whenever I see a painting  or pic as such where young girl marries much okder man, it always seems the girls look very sad.

[Makkin]

Hello,

  I agree Spanky but sometimes in the olden days that was the best way to survive the times and now it seems it may be the way to survive the times?

Makkin

[Daveman]

whenever I see a painting  or pic as such where young girl marries much okder man, it always seems the girls look very sad.

Well of course... she sees what's in store.... look at the focus of her eyes.... she's looking directly at his old wrinkled..... hand.

[Son of Clyde]

What really angered my wife was posting that her friend is a 6 or 7. I don't much like numeric ratings but I do think the woman is above average in the looks department. I will not post her as a beauty queen if it is a lie.

I can tell you a story about me before marriage. I was posting pictures of myself on the site "Hot or Not" to find which ones would receive the highest ratings. Some of the most recent ones got me a rating of 3. Now a 3 will probably place me in the category of Atilla the Hun, Edward G Robinson or Gorilla Monsoon. I accepted it and moved on. It only matters what I think of myself and how my wife feels about me. She thinks I am a good man so it is all that matters.

There is too much emphasis in our society on physical appearance and it has carried over to Europe. I don't think Europe has always been materialistic and hung up on physical beauty.

That Nikita Khruschev was one sexy dude, not unlike Cary Grant.

[Daveman]

What really angered my wife was posting that her friend is a 6 or 7. I don't much like numeric ratings but I do think the woman is above average in the looks department. I will not post her as a beauty queen if it is a lie.

Yeah, I getcha.. now, for some really interesting interaction.. start referring to her friends as  10's.. that oughtta make things very interesting for a while. 

Sheesh, I couldn't imagine what I'd rank on a hot or not site...  I think I'd simply be glad they didn't have a GONG...

[ScottinCrimea]

SofC, You admitting to a shoe fetish?

[Son of Clyde]

Scott, I like removing my shoe and banging it on the table for effect.

[Jazzyclassy]

What really angered my wife was posting that her friend is a 6 or 7. I don't much like numeric ratings but I do think the woman is above average in the looks department. I will not post her as a beauty queen if it is a lie.

I can tell you a story about me before marriage. I was posting pictures of myself on the site "Hot or Not" to find which ones would receive the highest ratings. Some of the most recent ones got me a rating of 3. Now a 3 will probably place me in the category of Atilla the Hun, Edward G Robinson or Gorilla Monsoon. I accepted it and moved on. It only matters what I think of myself and how my wife feels about me. She thinks I am a good man so it is all that matters.

There is too much emphasis in our society on physical appearance and it has carried over to Europe. I don't think Europe has always been materialistic and hung up on physical beauty.

That Nikita Khruschev was one sexy dude, not unlike Cary Grant.

Oh my I never even knew about those stupid american ratings of looks, oh god let me be 0 I do not mind
that is just such a subjective opinion of other people, who cares how you look as long as you love yourself and your relatives and friends do love you, we are not here to be miss or mr Universe or Miss Colorado 2007 or something like that
Once again even this conversation came to those superficial appearance which matters to most american men more than soul and other positive things

You know yesterday when I was repairing my broken computer installing things again , cos it crashed a little, on the background I had this MTV show little beauty contest invented by amercians by the way , oh god 6 y.o. girls were dressed and had a make up like old sl-ts am sorry they were taught how to walk , how to shake her ass on the stage and how to show her smile and bla bla bla  and what shocked me the most that their moms were so excited about it and that it were them who encouraged the girls to participate , they were putting fake tan on their bodies, curl their hairs put so so much Lock on them , I would personally forbid such women to have kids , that is just deformity of kids, and when they grow up they become those silly fake girls and all they care about - are ratings of their looks and nothing else.......

that is very sad

[Rvrwind]

little beauty contest invented by amercians by the way

That may be so Jazzy but I have seen more 'Beauty Contests' on TV in Russia than I ever saw in Canada, so it would seem that Russians have really taken it to the max!
I think beauty contests in & of themselves degrade women far more than most men ever have.
JMHO

[Jazzyclassy]

well maybe Rich you are right can I call you so  , thank you:)( am so cheeky am really sorry for this)

well yeah russians are like parrots repeating all the bad things after americans especially on telly , russian are crazy in those ways they copy all the nice ideas and bad ones from the west, we do not have our own ideas about tv shows and about beauty contest as well

[Daveman]

well yeah russians are like parrots repeating all the bad things after americans especially on telly , russian are crazy in those ways they copy all the nice ideas and bad ones from the west, we do not have our own ideas about tv shows and about beauty contest as well

Just please, dear god, please.... get rid of that Russian version of Married With Children.  I can't remember the name....That's the most horrendous show I've ever seen... It wasn't funny in America, but in Russian, it borderline retarded.      No wait,, the MOST horrible one is that ridiculous reality show.. crazy transvestite on every episode!!  Okay, I amend my prayer... please, get rid of BOTH!!! 

[ScottinCrimea]

I agree with Jazzy that the child beauty contests are not appropriate.  As far as beauty contests for adult women, as long as there are women who choose to particiate and people who choose to pay to see them, they will continue.  They're adults and it's their choice.  Just like any other thing on TV, we can always register our complaint with the off button.  Attitudes do seem to be changing as the Miss America Pageant just lost it's television contract, the second time that has happened in the past 3 years.

Dave, I agree with you about both those TV shows, "Happy Together" The English translation of the title of the Married...with children copy, and Dom 2.  Unfortunately my wife's daughter is infatuated with them both.  Jazztyis right.  Some Western ideas are better off left uncopied.

[Rvrwind]

we do not have our own ideas about tv shows and about beauty contest as well

Which is something that contnually confuses me. ???
There are some very bright people here, intteligent,artistic & some very talented actors & actresses, yet they choose to emulate the worst TV shows in the history of Telivision. I'm sorry Jazz but I just don't get it.
Its the same as McDonalds. It was a blight on Western societies & who is the first one allowed into Russia, McDonalds, DUUUHHH!! The worst damn hamburger ever concieved, because it ain't real hamburger & people buy it up & bloat up on it & Russia welcomes them with open arms & piggy banks. Fast food is what turned the west into a population of lazy fat slobs & now the rest of the world is set to join them!!
Sorry, but I don't get it. I thought we were supposed to learn from other peoples mistakes, not mprove on them.

[Chelchov]

Oh my I never even knew about those stupid american ratings of looks, oh god let me be 0 I do not mind
that is just such a subjective opinion of other people, who cares how you look as long as you love yourself and your relatives and friends do love you, we are not here to be miss or mr Universe or Miss Colorado 2007 or something like that
Once again even this conversation came to those superficial appearance which matters to most american men more than soul and other positive things

You know yesterday when I was repairing my broken computer installing things again , cos it crashed a little, on the background I had this MTV show little beauty contest invented by amercians by the way , oh god 6 y.o. girls were dressed and had a make up like old sl-ts am sorry they were taught how to walk , how to shake her ass on the stage and how to show her smile and bla bla bla  and what shocked me the most that their moms were so excited about it and that it were them who encouraged the girls to participate , they were putting fake tan on their bodies, curl their hairs put so so much Lock on them , I would personally forbid such women to have kids , that is just deformity of kids, and when they grow up they become those silly fake girls and all they care about - are ratings of their looks and nothing else.......

that is very sad


well yeah russians are like parrots repeating all the bad things after americans especially on telly , russian are crazy in those ways they copy all the nice ideas and bad ones from the west, we do not have our own ideas about tv shows and about beauty contest as well

I agree with you totally, JazzyClassy.  That is what you are seeing a lot of young American women ruining her body, health and their feminine nature with feminist indoctrinations, fake tan, tattoos, body piercing and so on.  IMO, the troubled Miss America Pageant is a representation of what you see from typical young American college kids.  I don't even want to associate with those kind of superficial and whacko people.         

Even though I am an American with a Slavic background, I really wish that Russian didn't embrace all of bad things from the pop culture of Western.  It goes the same for the music.  Everything on the mainstream media here in the USA is so sickening and degrading.  I don't even watch TV anymore.  MTV is absolutely the worst of all.  You can see everything how the MTV shows the worst of human nature.  They are viles of viruses that need to be quarantined!   

Which is something that contnually confuses me. ???
There are some very bright people here, intteligent,artistic & some very talented actors & actresses, yet they choose to emulate the worst TV shows in the history of Telivision. I'm sorry Jazz but I just don't get it.
Its the same as McDonalds. It was a blight on Western societies & who is the first one allowed into Russia, McDonalds, DUUUHHH!! The worst damn hamburger ever concieved, because it ain't real hamburger & people buy it up & bloat up on it & Russia welcomes them with open arms & piggy banks. Fast food is what turned the west into a population of lazy fat slobs & now the rest of the world is set to join them!!
Sorry, but I don't get it. I thought we were supposed to learn from other peoples mistakes, not mprove on them.

I concur 100%.  I knew about McDonalds long time ago, and I am proud not to eat at any fast food joints for years.   

I really wish that Russians would keep sticking to their real tradition and invent something out of their own culture and originality.  But, it's sad to see how people embrace the bad things of the Western culture.  I really don't get it either.   

[Aya]

i won a beauty contest when i was 3 lol. i dont think they put any make up on me, but hmmmmmm now that i read this topic!! I am very concerned how this could have affected my psyque! I must go to psychologist now lol. j/k. But really to think of it, it could be responsible for some of my troubles in adulthood. On the other hand, people tend to blame anyone but themselves, maybe this is the case lol. Damn you all.  I was happy until i read this, now im gonna worry!!!!!


(im bored, if you cant tell from my post, so dont mind this silly post)

so yea.. 12 pages... maybe i should try to read all of them instead of posting.. this forum is funny 

[Aya]

oh and i also find it offending how you rate people with numbers. absolutely disgusting habit