a good woman, just not a 10

[Daveman]

Here you are, dear ... you were saying ?

Ahhhhh thank you Sandro!... now where was I... beer.. fishing.. warthog... remote control... AYA!! Now I remember.. physical beauty measured on a scale. We don't always use the 1-10 scale... I don't date a woman unless she's at least, to me, an 11 or above    .  But I haven't used the  number scale since high school actually, for the very reason you describe..  It's subjective... I think in terms of "magnetism".  There has to be something about her that just draws me in her direction.  It's rarely "beauty" for me in the typical sense, but more in how she carries herself, her confidence, her walk, facial expressions, tenderness in her eyes... these things don't easily translate to a number on a scale. 

Dave

[TigerPaws]

so you are trying to say that you are a woman and you know what according to your speech here, you sound like a russian woman married to a foreign guy Uh! No! Actually my wife was born in Tajikistan, her parents were Russian.
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the things which you claimed here approve your  own marriage I clicked to the link kindly given in your profile and  it gave me some hint a little bit about your ratings:P What amybe I have had too much 100 year old Rum tonight and am a bit too foggy to understand what you mean?

but you know if you think like that , that does not mean it is good and it is the model of how it should be!

Again maybe something is missing in the translation or I have had too much to drink? I do not understand what you are saying; Again

Michael, Victoria & Anastasia
Aboard SeaQuest OE
Anchored at Georgetown, Bahamas

[LEGAL]

:offtopic:TigerPaws Olga and I enjoyed all of your photos I think you had 90 photos. I had a 56 foot power catamaran. She went down in the hurricane that hit the treasure coast a couple of years ago where I live in Florida. I was very happy I had a good insurance policy   I do miss my traveling on the water. Maybe in the future when I am less busy. Live the dream and enjoy.


LEGAL

[WmGO]

Aya, Aya, Aya....please tell me you do not want a man
to shave his armpits!!!!!!! Oh my Gosh! It is a conspiracy against
all that is holy!!!

[Jazzyclassy]

Tigerpaws

i wrote everything clear I believe, there is no need and pretend that you do not understand, sounds odd

I wrote that your model of rating people does not suit every individual

Again why did not you rate a woman of your age .......???

[Jazzyclassy]

I mean guys why you always here give only one choice, one advice , one way as I read a lot of topics here people express different opinions here which may help these or that people and there is some group of members who post for a long time in the forum.

So if this group does not agree with this or that statement they urgently need to bring down the point of view of the other person cos if this person thinks differently  , his opinion is wrong beforehand that is how I understood .They  never actually stop and think maybe he is suggesting something possible and useful and informative , you have authoritarian regime in some topics here, judging only from your experience , which is great of course, but do not you think it is great to be able to listen to people too , not only always give advices and preach and teach and shut down people in every possible way ....

I respect all members here and sincerely listen to what they say , the other point is that I got my opinion too of course, but even though I had many different missunderstandings with people here I think I realised that it is very important to listen to people to understand them and to try put myself at their places

Again lets take this topic about Ratings of women for example , actually about woman of her 40s-50s  and that she does not suit some of american rating
Many opinions were spoken , many many suggested that she should try and search some european men , some told that she should search at home and I also told that, then many women and I we were talking about the fact that for russian people for example such kinda system of rating women is unacceptable and it is some kinda offence for a woman.......

So a lot of interesting things and points of view came out on this board, but what I can not understand is  that some people  still continue talking about necessity of ratings and it is natural for men from the USA , yeah we already understood that a russian woman who is 40 -50 y.o. could hardly charm most of you here:P  but aren't we all supposed to help and understand each other, I hope men understood that for russian women this ratings are humiliating, though russian women understand that those rating exists among men , so Let it be among Men do not you think it will be fair enough ?

I think if a man wants to describe this or that woman how he evaluates her he could just point out at her face , her eyes that he likes her nose and eyes for example but her lips are too slim or something like that just describe her without any ratings not giving her any mark , god she was born like that for example how dare you go and rate her ?

I would like to kindly suggest guys to keep their rating marks strictly to the lads chat in the pub with couple of beers, I do not think it is wise to tell such things straight to women


thank you:)

[Jumper]

Jazzy,

 not all men sit around some table rating women 1-10.
though i know plenty of women that do.

"generally" Women don't dress for men, they dress for other women !!
why would that be?

(and yes i know there are exceptions, those that simply dont care, or care too much)


anyway -

a man is only supposed to be as good looking as a monkey

right?

[Lily]

a man is only supposed to be as good looking as a monkey

right?

Not quite

A human appearance reflects his or her genes. In a man, a woman instinctively looks for the best genes possible. Everything in a man is projection of his genes.

[Jazzyclassy]

anyway -

a man is only supposed to be as good looking as a monkey

right?

I do not think so , to me he should not look like a monkey , lets put it this way:) but again if he looks like a monkey he should compensate it with kind passionate heart smart brains and noble brave personality!:)

[Cameraguy]

Jazzy, are you familiar with the phrase "Freudian slip?"

(Khorosho, I see you corrected your "Freudian slips.")

BTW, guys like AJ didn't get his wife to marry him by only looking as good as a monkey. 

~CG

[Jazzyclassy]

hahahaha yeah  just was missprint

[Jumper]

CG said-

BTW, guys like AJ didn't get his wife to marry him by only looking as good as a monkey. 

heavens no!
 that would never work!
pls the little red hat,  gives me a headache.

so I kept her VERY drunk untill after the wedding day..
plus she can't see very well ,
and i somehow missplaced her contacts , 
untill after the wedding also!

see jazzy?
even if a guy is not   handsome, brave,  or noble,,
he can  still have some paths to  a happy marriage!

some little cleverness, and vodka , can go a long way!

[Daveman]

some little cleverness, and vodka , can go a long way!

LoL..  is the Vodka Patch available yet? 

[Jazzyclassy]

    some little cleverness, and vodka , can go a long way!

           

well yeah but not for all girls that works you see dear AJ:P

[Jumper]

Jazzy!
ahh ! true enough!

but it only had to work,  on one ! 
 

[TigerPaws]

Tigerpaws

i wrote everything clear I believe, there is no need and pretend that you do not understand, sounds odd

I wrote that your model of rating people does not suit every individual

Again why did not you rate a woman of your age .......???

Jazzyclassy,

 I think you are asking why I chose a young and attractive lady as my wife. The answer is simple becuse I could, the vast majority of women my age are worn out old bags and most men given the oppertunity and choice would take a younger more attractive lady over a women who is old and worn out. The lady SoC was talking about stands a smowballs chance in Hell of finding someone through an agency, even if a man is interested in a woman of her age a mans choices of more attractive ladies withing the same age group are very broad, why take the ugly puppy when you can have the pick of the litter. Please no offence but that is the way it is.

As for any rating system men use there is a broad general acceptance of what is beautiful, attractive, nice and butt ugly, not every man will agree on what a 5 to 8 is but most can agree on what a 1 to 4 or 9 and 10+ is.

Michael, Victoria & Anastasia
Aboard SeaQuest OE
Anchored at Georgetown, Bahamas

[Jazzyclassy]

Yeah Ok I got you TigerPaws , understood how your mind is thinking

thank you for explanation

but again not every young girl will be with old guy , no matter how great he is there is something always which  he can not give to her..... in each situation these are different things I believe........

Well ok will try and understand this crazy rating system but I doubt I will ever accept it as my point of view though, at least I accept it as someother's opinion

[TigerPaws]

but again not every young girl will be with old guy , Jazzyclassy; We have a 19 year age difference which for us is just right, some women will accept a 25 year age difference some none at all, but far more women will accept a man 10, 15, 20 even 25 years older than they are while very few man will accept being with a woman more than a year or two older than they are. no matter how great he is there is something always which  he can not give to her.....I find your comment very interesting, what do you mean? in each situation these are different things I believe........

Michael, Victoria & Anastasia
Aboard SeaQuest OE
Anchored at Georgetown, Bahamas

[KenC]

Jazzy,
The reference for the rating scale of 1 to 10 was popularized with a movie called "10" in the 1970's.  In it an older man is memorised by a beautiful young woman who is a perfect "10".  It was a well made and very popular comedy for the time.  The truth is is there really is no rating scale of 1 to 10.  Most men use it as only a reference to how a woman looked that they are speaking about to other men.  A 9 or a 10 would be a most beautiful woman where as a 2 or a 3 would be not so good looking.  Of course the numbers are very subjective to the taste of the person giving the opinion.  Most men understand that the rating scale is shallow and don't take it too seriously, but again it is only usually used as a reference to how beautiful a woman was that they are describing to another man.  Don't you take it too seriously either.
KenC

[HiTech]

In my view it is a logarithmic scale. Good looking is a 7, moving to 8 isn't difficult 9 is drop dead beautiful, and 10's are very very very rare.

[supranatural]

In my view it is a logarithmic scale. Good looking is a 7, moving to 8 isn't difficult 9 is drop dead beautiful, and 10's are very very very rare.

Technically it's not a logarithmic scale - it would mean for example that an 8 is maybe 10% better looking than a 7, but a 9 is 50% better looking and that a 10 might be 200% better looking.  It's just a rarity thing - just like there men 5-10 in height are common, 6-2 a little less common, 6-4 more rare, and men 6-8 and above very rare.  You're mixing up looks with rarity.  But IMHO it doesn't matter in the "end game."  My (soon to be) ex-wife would rate 8.5 to 9+ on many people's scales - on my scale she rated a 10+++ because I loved her - as far as *I* was concerned she was the most beautiful, drop dead gorgeous woman on the planet.  Logically I knew that could not be true but emotionally it was true for me.  Now that I am getting past my emotions for her as I emotionally disengage from her (hard to do after 5 years of marriage) she now rates a "mere" 9 for me.

As far as this argument as to why men want a younger pretty woman, it's as KenC said, because we can.  Partnership in a marriage (or any relationship for that matter) is based on exchange of qualities.  Frequently you find 2 very good looking people together because they bring their looks to the part - they have parity in looks.  However, you can frequently find a handsome man with an average looking woman, or an average looking man with a gorgeous woman, or a much older man with a younger beautiful woman.  People invariable say the less attractive partner has money...possibly.  Or the less attractive person has fame, great personality, intelligence, charm - whatever (just look at Mick Jagger and his ex-wife Jeri Hall).  In the end everyone intuitively knows their market value.  Frequently an older (whether slightly older or much older) man can offer things a younger man can't - money, stability, power, experience, etc or any combination of things like that.  My wife is 10 years younger than me and readily admits she prefers older men (not ancient old) specifically because they are more experienced in life. 

I realize that for some of the women who are posting here that they would *not* want an older man but as it has been said, not every woman is the same.  Some woman are fine with an older man, accepting that he may not be a young stud but that he offers other qualities that in her mind more than compensate for that.  I'm sure KenC's wife would not trade him for the world because she loves him as a total package.  Ditto for jb's wife.

[Gator]

About 10 men wrote something about the 1-10 rating system.  Each had a different opinion.  Jazzy, that shows the true value of the rating system - it is worthless.  What one man may call a 9 is a 7 or 8 to another man.  It is worthless, yet as KenC said, is does enable rapid communication before a beachball interrupts one's thoughts.

I have a firm belief that my fellow man falls in love with a woman not because of her beauty but because of the person she is.  Her beauty may have  attracted him to begin with, yet after that, there had to be more, much more to decide to say "I do".

Perhaps there are some exceptions, and some immature men or men with psychological problems would line them up and choose the prettiest one.  yet the vast majority want more.

But back to beauty, I would not consider a woman unless I found her physically attractive, nor would I continue if I felt she did not feel the same (and few women can hide that feeling).  What is interesting to me, is that emotional connection (i. e., love) has a way of enhancing real beauty.

[SANDRO43]

In my view it is a logarithmic scale.

I'd say that a Gaussian distribution is more likely to be applicable. In the graph:
- yellow area at left (1-3)= Ugh
- yellow area at right (8-10)= Wow

[sudz]

Here's my 10 theory:  it is derived from the scores given at the Olympics for women's figure skating, women's diving, women's gymnastics, et al.  Why not men's?  We never watch those competitions with even half the interest.

The movie "10", however, probably popularized its general use to describe individuals.

But back on topic - I agree that you should keep a "hand's off" approach seeing as how unsolicited advice would probably offend her and jeopordize the friendship between she and your wife. (No one wants to be seen as needing aid.)

That being said, if she does come to you for advice I'd suggest she cultivate an interest in some internet club. Something like "Teachers International" or "Gardeners".  Why?  Almost all "Where did you two meet?" questions are answered that they met in a common area - either church, work, or school.  (Present company excepted, of course.)

This will give her two things: an interesting hobby to explore (for her own edification) and the chance to meet others with the same interest (hopefully one of them will be the man she seeks for herself).

The reason I suggest an internet club is that you say your wife would like her to meet someone from the US, and eventually come over.  Presumably for easier reunions between her and your wife.

Also, internet clubs give you the chance to know someone quite well without the appearance thing come up.

- Sudz

PS  Re-reading my post I guess I love parenthesis way too much 

[Daveman]

PS  Re-reading my post I guess I love parenthesis way too much 

(no problem sudz) (welcome to the board!) (cool first post holding up sign 9.5)