'Code of Conduct' for Men....

[BC]

My STRONG suspicion is that Antidate does NOT diminish the REAL odds of a guy finding a wife. Of course, they want to believe otherwise - and they are working aggressively to reach more FSU women so that they ARE more effective in getting the word out - but still, there will always be women who never hear of Antidate - and there will always be women who will not care what Antidate has to say - and there will always be women who are interested about the WORST offenders, but will listen to reason when contact with the man is actually made.

In other words - let's not all get worked-up into some kind of tizzy over something that will have extremely little REAL impact.

Just my take on things - FWIW

- Dan

I haven't had the time to read the almost hundred posts since last time, but this statement struck me as quite true..

As here on RWD, those that participate are probably a very small minority.. The ratio of women seeking men is much much higher than WM seeking RW I would think.

The exposure however will likely increase as more and more RW get on the net and start researching.  That is probably why whatever standards that can be agreed upon now will be much more valuable in the future.

I remember just a few years ago where broadband internet was to the advantage of the WM.. now coverage in FSU is widening, which seems to be making the playing field more even.

Soon we will probably be looking at an WM scam sites on the same scale as RW scamsites and the tables will turn.

This is why 'real' standards such as CMA and those being discussed here will be ever more important for all involved.

I realize that animosity may be present at the moment between some members of RWD and Antidate but to me it seems at the same time a great opportunity exists for both sides... a chance that shouldn't be taken lightly or passed.

 

[Fiorella]

Fiorella, there will always be sites, books and magazines making recommendations and criticising what car to buy or who to date. Is having blacklist sites in existance such a bad thing? If so then we need to say Antidate(AD) is a bad thing. Just as you are critical of how anti scam sites list women, some men here were critical on how anti date list men.

I believe AD's original mission was a good one to protect women from the worset men but when they took an eye for an eye attitude and listed men in the same way the worse antiscam sites did for women, AD becomes no better than those they criticise.

There are a lot of people in this world that have bad attitudes and bad manners but it is still their right to marry.... hopefully to a person that matches with them. There are no polititians brave enough to create a law to rate people and say who has the right to marry or not.

Look how many black lists with girls exist and how many black lists with men exists.

Everyone have right to marry but men and women must do it with open eyes. May be some woman will be happy to marry a pervert because she is the same. But she must know what does she do. Women must have a place where they can find information how to recognize good and bad guys. Same as you make boards where you discuss about how to recognize good and bad girls.

We don't mind if some men travel for sex to some countries and buy sex in special services.

[Fiorella]

Agree that trip - "путешествие; поездка, экскурсия". Now translate word "триппер", just use Russian-English dictionary.

Olga

I see that this word makes you really excited, it might be something very special, very close to you.

Just for information - in modern russian slang this using of foreign word is very popular -
залогиниться
дринькнуть
etc

[LEGAL]

I see you want to discuss the word триппер-tripper instead of general subject of this thread
do you have some agenda to lead all this into something what bring some benefit to you?

It is part of Conduct too. Why the words "morally depraved person"-урод, he-goat - козёл and so on are neхt to names of two members of RWD?

At this point, Antidate has apparently taken material from RWD about at least a couple of our members, and subjected them to ridicule and humiliation at Antidate. Are those the behaviors of someone to be trusted?

- Dan

Where is your 'Code of Conduct'?

Olga.

[Kvinna]

Where is your 'Code of Conduct'?
Olga.

and where is yours?
we were invited here to hope each other to make something useful
but seems you find some benefit that our intention will be failed

[Fiorella]

Quote from: Dan on Yesterday at 03:52:53 PM

At this point, Antidate has apparently taken material from RWD about at least a couple of our members, and subjected them to ridicule and humiliation at Antidate. Are those the behaviors of someone to be trusted?

- Dan

Where is your 'Code of Conduct'?

Olga.

Where is your code of conduct when you apparently take material from Antidate about at least a couple of their members, and subjected them to ridicule and humiliation at RWD? Very selective moral, isn't it?

[LEGAL]

Where is your 'Code of Conduct'?

Olga.

Where is your code of conduct when you apparently take material from Antidate about at least a couple of their members, and subjected them to ridicule and humiliation at RWD? Very selective moral, isn't it?

Do you think if foreigners can not read Russian you can and have right to ridicule and humiliate them?

Olga. 

[Kvinna]

Do you think if foreigners can not read Russian you can and have right to ridicule and humiliate them?

Olga. 

OK, if you wish to start cat's fighting do it by yourself we will stay away

guys, when you will be ready to discuss Code or something like this feel free to call us

[LEGAL]

and where is yours?
we were invited here to hope each other to make something useful
but seems you find some benefit that our intention will be failed

do not discuss intimate and private  details of other people moreover mentioning their real names and showing their photos in public.

Olga.
 

Do not  ridicule and humiliate people more over using their information.

Olga.

[Daveman]

And those are excellent points...

Now that those have been stated, something useful can be built from there.

[LEGAL]

OK, if you wish to start cat's fighting do it by yourself we will stay away

guys, when you will be ready to discuss Code or something like this feel free to call us

You have came to discuss Code but you still have names of RWD' memebers on your site and let girls ridicule and humiliate these names.

Olga.

[KenC]

May be jus call it as recommendation of behaviour? I already posted on past pages some examples what things women don't accept and that they meet so often from western men.

I want to offer to make an experiment - to post a profile of "russian woman" on some of sites with russian brides and look what "she" will get. One man did that and he has been shoked.

Let us stay on point here.  We are attempting to put together guidelines for men's behavior while visiting women in the fsu.  Give me your points that you would like included please.  Many of us have posted ideas before too.  This is the place to be heard.  So tell me your points please.
KenC

[WmGO]

Well,  I like the suggestion about not posting scandolous things about folks on other discussion boards....they were talking about me over there and were saying things like he is "verniy muzhik"....he is "sil'niy muzhik"...and "WmGO is zver' muzhik"...I don't know what that stuff means but when your name is discussed on some other forum that you are not a member of it makes one wonder what they are saying.....   

[BC]

And those are excellent points...

Now that those have been stated, something useful can be built from there.

Maybe should have quoted KenC.. I'm lost...

oops.. meant Daveman I guess... lol

[Daveman]

Maybe should have quoted KenC.. I'm lost...

oops.. meant Daveman I guess... lol

LoL, BC, The discussion was actually occurring in real time.  I was trying to keep up...  Here's what I was referring to:

Fiorella:
Where is your code of conduct when you apparently take material from Antidate about at least a couple of their members, and subjected them to ridicule and humiliation at RWD? Very selective moral, isn't it?

Olga:
do not discuss intimate and private  details of other people moreover mentioning their real names and showing their photos in public.

Olga:
Do not  ridicule and humiliate people more over using their information.


These are legitimate complaints, certainly conduct oriented.

Dave

[Rvrwind]

Well their arrogance hasn't waned thats a fact. They bloody well still think they are better than everybody else. The way they are answering Oga is nothing more than patronizing her like she is some nitwit chid. Just frigging amazing. Think pretty highly of themselves I'm thinkin'!
I noticed they still havn't answered you Dan & I am wondering if that is swaying your opinion as to exactly who & what you are dealing with here.
This tripe to change the focus & turn it around is exactly what these women are all about, facts mean nothing, answering a direct question is beyond their comprehension. Easier to snipe & ridicule than to face the facts. Ridicule other Russian women I might add that don't tow the party line.

AntiDate is and always was open for discussion and cooperation with western men. It is western men who are against us and always was against us. It is only western men have saint right to post russian women on multiple black lists as scammers (criminal accusations by the way) without court and investigation. You even made 10 commandments how to recognise russian scammer, don't you? May be you forgot our discussions in Shadow chat where we also discussed about our politics and the possibility to work together?

Antidate is not court and not online police. I don't know why you all are so fixed on sex-tourists, but there are much more possibilities to cheat online.

I have questions back to all:

- Is it accepted to RWD members to hide their age more then 5-10-20 years?
- Is it accepted to promise happy marriage to women being currently happily married?
- Is it accepted to RWD members to send their nude photos in first letters to women without their consent?
- Is it accepted to force women to send their nude photos otherwise they will be posted on antiscam sites as scaammers?
- Is it possible to RWD members to make women pay for them (i.e. for men) during men's visit to her claiming that "his Credit card doesn't work, he only have checks, he forgot his pocket"?
- Is it possible to provocate women to tell about their "poor and hard life", so they can use it as possible scam attempt?
- Is it possible to force women to have sex on first meeting and even try to rape her?
- Is it possible for RWD members to write long years sweet letters promising to visit and marry as soon as possible and then die, and later revive on the same dating site?
- Is it possible to RWD members hide their mental and physical serious diseases and criminal records?

And what should women do with all these men?

Of course, AntiDate is strongly against any attempt for money from western men, even when men offer it themselves (ESPECIALLY when men offer it).

[LEGAL]

Is it really big difference between men's behavior while he is visiting women in the FSU and men's behavior in Italy or France? Does it mean that a man who is gentelmen with Italian women will be  rude fellow  and  impudent with Russian women.

Man's behavior is depended not on written 'Code of Conduct' for Men but on his own breeding as a woman's behavior is.

Olga.

[BC]

Is it really big difference between men's behavior while he is visiting women in the FSU and men's behavior in Italy or France? Does it mean that a man who is gentelmen with Italian women will be  rude fellow  and  impudent with Russian women.

Olga,

The behavior may be the same, but the interests quite different.  The WM in Italy or France will be far less noticed, possibly ignored altogether - regardless of manners.

[Daveman]

Man's behavior is depended not on written 'Code of Conduct' for Men but on his own breeding as a woman's behavior is.

Olga.

Yes, but also, behavior can change pretty easily and dramatically when someone feels insulted.  There may be some things that are insulting to one culture which are not to the other.  Doesn't hurt to discuss those possibilities.

Dave

[LEGAL]

Not be  rude and gross with a woman (even if she is from Chukotka village), respect her personality, her feelings and of course her culture, religion and customs.
If you don't like a woman just leave her alone without any insulting.


Olga

[WmGO]

Olga, what does it mean these things they say
about me?

[LEGAL]

Would you like a decent woman to respect you? Be a decent man and respect her.

All cultures are different and all people are different. Sharing our impressions and experiences (even sometimes talking about sex) we help each other to understand what mistakes we can avoid  and  refrain from repetition these mistakes and problems. We have to have rules and manners on the board how we share our experiences. Sometimes it is necessity to talk about some private things but again we should talk about it not insulting the feelings of other people.

Olga.

[LEGAL]

Olga, what does it mean these things they say
about me?

"verniy muzhik"- faithful man ....he is "sil'niy muzhik" strong man (it can be physical strength or strength of spirituality ...and "WmGO is zver' muzhik" - man-beast (it is not bad, sometimes women says - he is zver (beast) in bed (he makes wonderful sex)  .

Olga.

[WmGO]

Wow! I am wondering how they knew that about me

I know women have a 6th sense. And FSUW have the most highly developed 6th sense of any women in the world. I guess this just proves it 

[I/O]

Scott,
I usually agree with just about everything you write here, but I have to take exception to the highlighted portion of your post.  I don't understand the Legals, I/O's or the jb's that seem to come out in a negative manner with the idea of publishing some guidelines.  I respect these members very much, but I don't understand their opposing stance to the suggested guidelines.
KenC

KenC:  Let me put it this way, I don't object to anything which raises standards in general.  BUT may I suggest that the 3 names you mention just maybe collectively have spent more time in Russia than perhaps the majority of the rest of the board collectively? Maybe that's stretching it a touch, but I think you see my point.

That's one point, but the second point is this, as you say yourself, the vast majority of people involved with RWD are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay above most who go to the FSU and as such it won't make much difference to them other than cause a few more arguments on this, that and the other thing. (As this thread demonstrates) Who will gain? The idiots? They don't read these boards anyway.  Therefore, whats the point in setting about something which is certainly going to divide (Deeply) opinions on RWD for a long time.  I see it as destructive to this board, thus my distain for the "Code".

You guys IMO would spend the energy better by continuing to update and refine the FAQ section of the board and I doubt you would find any objection to that.  Further it would do the same job anyway.

The idea in and of itself is not so bad, but the practicalities are that it is divisive and many take exception to some who are in the inner sanctum of the group developing it.  Personally I don't give a fat rats foot because it makes no difference to me whatsoever but I can see the negative effect it is and will continue to have.

FWIW

I/O