Questions from Fiorella about acceptable behaviour by Western Men...

[I/O]

Well....what a whole lot of waffle.  FWIW I've visited as many countries as most ever will if not more, spent a good deal of time in eastern Europe and during the last few years a deal of time in Russia.  My observations regarding general behaviour...The worst and most blatent...The Germans closely followed by some of my own countrymen. The best? Who knows because you never see them as they go about what they do quietly.  

As for the question list.  Pretty much a no brainer.  Of course most things on the list are unacceptable.  It simply highlights the fact that these things still happen.  Why?  Because they can. Why? Because it always takes "Two to Tango". There is a large percentage of Russian Women and Western Men who need to clean up their act.  The reality is that it will never happen completely.

Blanket condemnation of either side acheives nothing and those who continue to flog that "Dead Horse" are pretty much wasting there time, but if it keeps them amused, good luck to them.

I/O

[LEGAL]

I/O 


LEGAL

[Kuna]

better ask Kuna why his friends make some strange remarks about MOB and his wife?

Kvinna,

I think there's three distinct groups that made (or make) negative remarks about me being engaged to a Ukrainian girl.

Group A:  Those that are surprised I found someone overseas rather than one of their friends they were trying to match me up with. 

Group B: Those that have had personal bad experiences.  A friend cautioned me against Russian Women because his brother (30 yrs old) married a Russian woman (28 years old with 1 child) and she cheated, divorced him and said she'd never loved him.

Group C: Those that are simply naive and read about the bad stories and are concerned the same will happen to me.

[Gator]

Bill (too tall) wrote,

About your involvement with the project. I think you can give some insight on it and you should do it. I was angry earlier when they picked you,
but my thinking now is if it will make the project better and more complete then I think you should be part of it.

Very few men would say that, especially after Bill's ordeal.  Remarkable,  commendable, and exemplary.  When judging a man's actions, one should consider his character.

[jb]

I would still not say that.  I think putting kivnna on the construction committee is akin to putting the fox in charge of the hen house.  Bad for business.

[Daveman]

-   Silly jokes.

Well I was doing great until.....

[Kuna]

jb,

I still don't have a problem with Kvinna participating in the "Standards project" because I'm genuinely interested in what she and AD think the acceptable standards should be for a WM in FSU.

Of course no one here has endorsed any of the bad behaviour Fiorella detailed and I find it hard to believe AD would have any "standards" that are higher than those endorsed by the men here.

There still seems to be no "Code for Women" supplied by Kvinna or Fiorella and therefore I don't think they actually have a code. (Did I miss it??? These threads have been moving at a brisk rate)

From what I've been able to read in the Bill Thread in Antidate there seems to be a frenzy of criticism based on purely emotional factors and not a lot of logic applied. 

If their thread is purely emotional and they think it becomes "fact" just because all of the hens are clucking to the same tune they must also think that the repeated negative media reports about RW are also fact just because a few people are saying it often enough.

I can't quite work out the final reasons for Bill's Blacklisting so maybe that can be cleared up in the near future too.

Kuna

[LEGAL]

Kuna very good. Once again you are a good investigator. Olga has read that site  and finds there is more 
derogatory statements, humiliation towards men and complaining than positive helpful advice for woman.


LEGAL

[Daveman]

Gator, Why don't you pop the Moscow Woman opinion posts into a new thread...  Those are excellent observations and really should stand in their own thread for observation/discussion rather than be lost in this "Questions" thread.

I'd love to see our lady members comment on those...

Dave

[Kuna]

Legal,

I think most women that find Antidate might be those that have had problems with WM and therefore are angry to start with.

I'd like to think AD does something to help women though rather than just get hysterical.

Ya know... I'm tired of hearing my female friends at home complain about their broken relationships... especially when they never learn from their own crappy decisions.  At home there's a one step formula to finding a genuine man... DELAY SEX!  Our International journey is probably more complicated because of distance and language but it IS possible for a good men and women to find each other.

There's good and bad on both sides.  Let's hope the good meet each other and the bad make each others lives hell!

Kuna

[ScottinCrimea]

I thought it was interesting that Kvinna would dig up an obscure story from a New Zealand website and then use it to blast all Western media.  If she has to dig that deep to find an article to try to prove her point than it really says something good about the Western media in general.

[DonAz]

Getting back on topic (I hope)

 have questions back to all:

- Is it accepted to RWD members to hide their age more then 5-10-20 years? Is it exceptable to lie to anyone about anything/lies of omission...of course not
- Is it accepted to promise happy marriage to women being currently happily married? lost me with this one
- Is it accepted to RWD members to send their nude photos in first letters to women without their consent? how about in any letter first second or last?
- Is it accepted to force women to send their nude photos otherwise they will be posted on antiscam sites as scaammers? no
- Is it possible to RWD members to make women pay for them (i.e. for men) during men's visit to her claiming that "his Credit card doesn't work, he only have checks, he forgot his pocket"? Is it exceptable to lie to anyone about anything/lies of omission...of course not

- Is it possible to provocate women to tell about their "poor and hard life", so they can use it as possible scam attempt?
- Is it possible to force women to have sex on first meeting and even try to rape her? ya know folks this is some bizarre discussion here on this thread
- Is it possible for RWD members to write long years sweet letters promising to visit and marry as soon as possible and then die, and later revive on the same dating site? sure it's [possible and possible that it has been done
- Is it possible to RWD members hide their mental and physical serious diseases and criminal records? until a certain point they may be able to get away with it

And what should women do with all these men?

press charges if possible, run or kick their butts

DonAz

[groovlstk]

I would still not say that.  I think putting kivnna on the construction committee is akin to putting the fox in charge of the hen house.  Bad for business.

I actually think it's getting humorous watching guys fall all over themselves trying to prove to her how "nice" and "respectable" they are, how outraged they are about sex tourists, how badly they want to hear her opinions, etc., all the while watching with puppydog eyes and waiting for her to open up and say something nice to them. And never realizing that each time they take their hands away from their stones that she's going to fetch another good kick, and another, and another, and another.

[LEGAL]

So are you suggesting we stay at war with her.

LEGAL

[Kvinna]

I would still not say that.  I think putting kivnna on the construction committee is akin to putting the fox in charge of the hen house.  Bad for business.

I see here is a lot of jealous people who were not invited on the construction committee. You are ready to cut troat each other for this
OK I leave this committee to make you calm, darling jb, and make the way for you. Work, darling, work

[Kuna]

I see here is a lot of jealous people who were not invited on the construction committee. You are ready to cut troat each other for this
OK I leave this committee to make you calm, darling jb, and make the way for you. Work, darling, work

Kvinna,

Before you go do you have any suggestions of the things Western Men should be aware of before meeting a FSUW???

Kuna

[Kvinna]

Kvinna,
Before you go do you have any suggestions
Kuna

Work, guys, work

[Rvrwind]

Deleted as it don't friggin' matter anymore!!!

[wiz]

Legal,

I think most women that find Antidate might be those that have had problems with WM and therefore are angry to start with.

I'd like to think AD does something to help women though rather than just get hysterical.

Kuna

Kuna

I wonder how you would react if you found out that a member of AD has read any of your long posts about your travel to Ukraine, select a 2-3 paragraphs of your post, especially where you said about how many women you met, where you may made some comments about sex and post it there for the hens to express their anger and label you with something, don’t know Russian so to read their categories?

My name was mentioned there and one of their member posted part of a very old travel report of mine in Kos last June, where I made comments about sex with the woman I was with, and after that I noticed the past 10 days a huge readership, daily, of that report. Another one mention “The Dilemma” post and the number of Guests reading the “Dilemma” increased 10 fold daily.

I was alerted about what it was written about me on AD, register there and posted my comments. Their members selectively picked, each one of them, a sentence of mine, made not real comments in their replies and finally my post in which, in a polite language stated my view and ask them to show a little respect and sensitivity about mine and Sofia’s emotional story, they deleted my post but left on all their comments!

Sofia admitted to me she had exchanged many private messages with Kvinna and after Bruno’s comment’s, on “Dilemma”, about the draft original post, she tried to make me to disclose to her the name of the AD member that I send a copy, same as I did to her the day before posting that post.

When I originally posted the first photos on “Dilemma”. I told Sofia that I will post some photos of us, she had no objection and later on she was happy to see how proud I was of her.

Her objections were/are only about my criticism of her behaviour and she ignored all my glowing comments about the excellent parts of her character.

BTW didn’t you also post some photos in your travel report?

After talking to Kvinna you saw Sofia’s actions about the photographs, the change of tone in her posts and of course Kvinna’s effort to make me angry, so to show the bad sides of my character and how evil person I was praying on innocent Victims like Sofia.

If there was one in a million chance of me and Sofia resolving our problems and getting back together again, Kvinna with her advice to Sofia and her actions on the boards made sure that was destroyed.

I am surprised that my name is not yet on their beastly list or that I have not been named Gonorrhea reporter or Sex tourist but I expect one day I may become famous in their board, but I do not care.

Their site does the opposite of what it was originally intended for all decent Russian women that all of us seek.

[mirror]

Kuna

I wonder how you would react if you found out that a member of AD has read any of your long posts about your travel to Ukraine, select a 2-3 paragraphs of your post, especially where you said about how many women you met, where you may made some comments about sex and post it there for the hens to express their anger and label you with something, don’t know Russian so to read their categories?

My name was mentioned there and one of their member posted part of a very old travel report of mine in Kos last June, where I made comments about sex with the woman I was with, and after that I noticed the past 10 days a huge readership, daily, of that report. Another one mention “The Dilemma” post and the number of Guests reading the “Dilemma” increased 10 fold daily.

I was alerted about what it was written about me on AD, register there and posted my comments. Their members selectively picked, each one of them, a sentence of mine, made not real comments in their replies and finally my post in which, in a polite language stated my view and ask them to show a little respect and sensitivity about mine and Sofia’s emotional story, they deleted my post but left on all their comments!

Sofia admitted to me she had exchanged many private messages with Kvinna and after Bruno’s comment’s, on “Dilemma”, about the draft original post, she tried to make me to disclose to her the name of the AD member that I send a copy, same as I did to her the day before posting that post.

When I originally posted the first photos on “Dilemma”. I told Sofia that I will post some photos of us, she had no objection and later on she was happy to see how proud I was of her.

Her objections were/are only about my criticism of her behaviour and she ignored all my glowing comments about the excellent parts of her character.

BTW didn’t you also post some photos in your travel report?

After talking to Kvinna you saw Sofia’s actions about the photographs, the change of tone in her posts and of course Kvinna’s effort to make me angry, so to show the bad sides of my character and how evil person I was praying on innocent Victims like Sofia.

If there was one in a million chance of me and Sofia resolving our problems and getting back together again, Kvinna with her advice to Sofia and her actions on the boards made sure that was destroyed.

I am surprised that my name is not yet on their beastly list or that I have not been named Gonorrhea reporter or Sex tourist but I expect one day I may become famous in their board, but I do not care.

Their site does the opposite of what it was originally intended for all decent Russian women that all of us seek.

Wiz,

if I may ask you....don't remind my name in context of Dilemma, pls. Don't irritate me and public,pls.

You always disclose our private  conversations and I can not see any possibility to continue our communication.

It is not important to me to know a name of this girl.You know it is princip.You disclose our intimate details of our private conversations and a realtionship to public and now you try to show a respect to somebody.

You selected not right person (me) for your games,sorry.

best regards,

Sofia


   

[BC]

I think this all can be summed up with three words.

BE A GENTLEMAN when women are around.

Up until recently very few women participated here on a regular basis so the 'atmosphere' *may* have been a bit more conducive to 'loose talk'.

To the women I say thanks for dropping by and participating but perhaps a bit of tolerance for the past here is in order.

[Bruno]

It is not important to me to know a name of this girl.You know it is princip.You disclose our intimate details of our private conversations and a realtionship to public and now you try to show a respect to somebody.

This girl is know from Kvinna... She was member of AD before become member of RWD... I hope that Kvinna have enough integrity for not reveal to you who she is on antidate... i really don't wish that you use your manipulative tactic against her...

And about the draft, it is almost similar to the post here... you have see it before the post, and when Wiz have post it, you have not complain...

Really, is it so much difficult for both of you to follow their own way... the past is the past... fight cannot change it... speaking of "baggage", both of you have a full truck of it... a chance you was not married, the divorce will be a real show...

[Kvinna]

If there was one in a million chance of me and Sofia resolving our problems and getting back together again, Kvinna with her advice to Sofia and her actions on the boards made sure that was destroyed.

lol
darling, what the funny conclusion you have made

[wiz]

This girl is know from Kvinna... She was member of AD before become member of RWD... I hope that Kvinna have enough integrity for not reveal to you who she is on antidate... i really don't wish that you use your manipulative tactic against her...

And about the draft, it is almost similar to the post here... you have see it before the post, and when Wiz have post it, you have not complain...

Really, is it so much difficult for both of you to follow their own way... the past is the past... fight cannot change it... speaking of "baggage", both of you have a full truck of it... a chance you was not married, the divorce will be a real show...

Bruno

Unfortunately Sofia cannot understand the principal of not disclosing the name of a person, when you have promised not to do so. She thinks I trust this woman and I should trust her more and tell her the name, which I will never do.

Sofia, just for your information this woman, before I came first time to Sterlitamak, gave me very good information about your society and how to behave when I am there, so not to embarrass you and that is all. She is not a secret girlfriend of mine, as Bruno has told you.

Bruno it is obvious that Sofia has missed the bigger picture and what was going on at the time with Kvinna and AD.

[mirror]

Bruno

Unfortunately Sofia cannot understand the principal of not disclosing the name of a person, when you have promised not to do so. She thinks I trust this woman and I should trust her more and tell her the name, which I will never do.

Unfortunately it is you can not understand what I am talking about.Sorry...and leave me alone,pls.