Why so Many 17 to 23 Year Olds

[WmGO]

Why are so many 17-23 year olds listed on all of the agency web sites?

One would think that at that age (especially 17-21) the last thing they would be thinking about is wanting to move away to another country. They are still not considered "old maids" and still have , or should have, plenty of marriage opportunities locally or at least in country.

I always found this curious. I know what the agencies say, and I even know what THEY say (they basically repeat the agency line), but what do FSUW say about this? 

BTW, women in that age group do not interest me in the least.

[Bruno]

Why are so many 17-23 year olds listed on all of the agency web sites?

Because you look only after young ladies 

From a site with 9582 profile... 18-19-20-21-22 reach maximum 397 advert... from 23 to 35, it is always more that the group 18-22... around the same number of 18yo that the 50 year old...

So, how do you conclude that they are so many 17-23 yo listed?

Age : quantity
18 - [22]
19 - [192]
20 - [280]
21 - [315]
22 - [397]
23 - [545]
24 - [560]
25 - [622]
26 - [585]
27 - [550]
28 - [541]
29 - [524]
30 - [543]
31 - [479]
32 - [467]
33 - [394]
34 - [372]
35 - [365]
36 - [309]
37 - [240]
38 - [230]
39 - [176]
40 - [143]
41 - [137]
42 - [113]
43 - [109]
44 - [85]
45 - [68]
46 - [46]
47 - [38]
48 - [35]
49 - [29]
50 - [21]
51 - [18]
52 - [6]
53 - [9]
54 - [1]
55 - [5]
56 - [3]
57 - [5]
58 - [1]
61 - [1]
68 - [1]

[ScottinCrimea]

One thing to keep in mind is that, because some FSU women assume that AM want younger women, they will lie about their age thinking that if they are younger they will attract more interest.  Some agencies encourage this.  You can look at different agency websites and see the same woman with several different ages listed.

[WmGO]

Bruno, I hear ya dude!  But my minimum age cutoff is 29.....

You found over 1500 on just one site....WHY would girls so young be even thinking about foreign marriage? Are they paid something to post their profile? Are they just looking for pen pals? Are they just looking to expand their experience in life by meeting Westerners? Should agencies even be posting picture of teenage girls?

[SANDRO43]

Why are so many 17-23 year olds listed on all of the agency web sites?

More to the point, why do so many of them state in their profiles Occupation: manager ? What are they managing, at that tender age ?

[BillyB]

Why are so many 17-23 year olds listed on all of the agency web sites?

It may seem that way because agencies put the young women towards the first pages of their site to attract customers. Start with page 20 from now on and you'll wonder where the young women are at.

[Lily]

You found over 1500 on just one site....WHY would girls so young be even thinking about foreign marriage? Are they paid something to post their profile? Are they just looking for pen pals? Are they just looking to expand their experience in life by meeting Westerners? Should agencies even be posting picture of teenage girls?

The reason I see would be that there are lots of women in Russia who can not imagine their lives without being mother and wife. As you probably know, Russian women tend to marry earlier, often before they reach the age of 25.

Additionhally, many just overestimate their young age in belief that if they don't do it now, they never do. A standpoint like 'after 30 I will be just trash' is very popular, and unfortunately, it turns to be true in some cases. Those girls know that the most attractive and desirable female age group for men of all ages would be 21-24, therefore they are now at the optimum of their dating chances wherever. Also, many Russian women sincerely believe that after 25-27 y.o. they may have problems with childbirth. From this point of view, abundancy of very young woman willing to marry is no wonder for me.

Probably those girls do not target foreigners exclusively. They apparently expand their search, that's it.

Having said that, one can also consider that many look primarily for penpals.

[Lily]

More to the point, why do so many of them state in their profiles Occupation: manager ? What are they managing, at that tender age ?

The title 'manager' is used very often in Russia, and usually is taken very lightly.

[Gator]

I have heard the expression, "a Russian woman's first baby is her last doll." 

RW do marry young and have babies young.  Is that still the case today as much as it was 5-10 years ago?

[Lily]

I have heard the expression, "a Russian woman's first baby is her last doll." 

RW do marry young and have babies young.  Is that still the case today as much as it was 5-10 years ago?

To a larger extend it would depend on a particular woman and her familty traditions. Well, probably today the girls tend to have babies later than during the USSR time.

I choose bordering this by the USSR time and not just by arbitrary 5-10 years ago, because I feel that this is due to increased opportunities for self-development, also professional one, in the after-soviet market conditions.

But the 10 years probably marks another milestone - availaibility of Internet.

[WmGO]

I've noticed a lot of FSUW in their late 20s and early 30s going ahead and having a child without a husband - I assume because they are not confident they will find one but do know they want to be a mother and do not want to wait too long before it is too late.? (this is kind of a question and an observation rolled into one)

Some Western women are having children in their 40s. What would be the outer age limit that a FSUW could still conceive? Is it lower than WW? Is say 35 to old for a FSUW to conceive generally (I know it is to general a question probably)..........?

[ScottinCrimea]

WmGo. this same type of bahavior is occurig with western women in their late 30's and 40's.  They feel the "biological clock" start ticking so they have a child,with or without a husband, to fulfill their "need to be complete".  Of course once they have the child, it gets slapped into daycare so they can get back to the career they have devoted their lives to.

As far as the outer limits for conception by a FSUW, it's no different than in the US.  It's all dependent on the health of the mother and genetic influences related to time of menopause.  that means that even if you're going for the 40+ FSUW, you still gotta use a condom guys.

[Lily]

  What would be the outer age limit that a FSUW could still conceive? Is it lower than WW? Is say 35 to old for a FSUW to conceive generally (I know it is to general a question probably)..........?

It depends on the particular woman.
On a general note, as from my observations, for a FSUW the outer age limit would be at a comparatively younger age than for a WW due to bad ecology, lots of stresses, worse nutrition, unsufficient health care, etc.
Her mindset also counts, IMO.

[Rvrwind]

Actually you will find the largest group in our agency is 25 - 40.
As for those agencies that have so many younger ones the logic is quite clear if you think about it.
For 95% of the men out there it is a visual thing. These women are usually the young hot bodies on the homepage & in their ads, it gets the mans attention & he visits the site. Chances are he hasn't a hope in he!! of marrying them but its advertising.
Why do you think so many 50 - 60 year old pot bellied old farts figure they can come over here & marry one of those 20 year olds. Advertising, hype, bu!!*snip* & fantasy, which most agencies provide willingly.
That is why it is so important that if you are going to use an agency, use one that does not ascribe to such tactics. 

[Nat]

Well, when I was 17 years old, I tried internet dating I was a good girl, studying all the time, so I just had no time to develop any relations in real life. And I decided to try to find somebody in the internet. But when I looked through Russian sites, all of them (men, I mean) seemed to be quite weird for me. So I went to international dating site. But after I received piles of letters from old-old men, who I don’t know why entertained themselves with a thought that such a young girl as I was could be interested in such weird relations, I just let this idea alone for a long time

[Lily]

The 17-23 age group is a very active internet user group in Russia, indeed. That could be the reason, too.

[WmGO]

My concern with that age group is exploitation - from both sides. Personally, I think agencies should not post photos of teenage girls.

[Bruno]

My concern with that age group is exploitation - from both sides. Personally, I think agencies should not post photos of teenage girls.

What is teenage girls ?

A few year ago, in Ukraine, a woman was "marriage material" from 16 year old... again some cultural clash !!!!

Personaly, here in Belgium, i consider a woman over 25 yo having quit the teenager peroirde... But FSU ladies seem to be mature more early!!!

[WmGO]

I hear ya bro. I just don't like the idea of WM in their 40s, 50s and 60s chasing teenagers - from ANY country. It makes me sick.

I know what you mean about maturation period. In the U.S. 25 is typically the earliest age that someone starts acting like a grown responsible mature adult. It might be a little earlier in FSU, but not by much and certainly not at age 17, 18 ,19 (or even 20-22).

I think that it is easy for a Westerner to confuse real true responsible adult maturity with these younger FSU girls with their *demeanor*. They certainly ACT more mature at a much earlier age than American girls, but that does not necessarily translate into  more mature in *behavior*, i.e., most 17 to 23 year FSUW just want to party and hang at and go clubbing and sleep late and go shopping , etc just like American girls in that age group. A generalization yes, but I *think* an accurate one. 

[Bruno]

I know what you mean about maturation period. In the U.S. 25 is typically the earliest age that someone starts acting like a grown responsible mature adult. It might be a little earlier in FSU, but not by much and certainly not at age 17, 18 ,19 (or even 20-22).

Hmmm, this can be a intesting topic...i have seee the change in FSU too... now, a lady from 22 is not more a lady who is adut... but some decade ago, a lady from 16 was almost adult... when Russian was married young...

In my own country, i can find ladies from 35 year old who are not adult !!! Know nothig related to a life like couple !

For men like us, it is a real problem... you can find everything in FSU... Yes, we have the choice but we cannotbe sure of something... the country is changing so much fast...  A FSU girl is certainly not the other... You have the ful grey shade for choice... It seem good, but what if we choose the wrong one... Hmmmm, all is more complex now !

[William3rd]

Seems to me that IMBRA addressed the posting of girls below the age of "consent."

[Todd]

One idea that hasn't been expressed yet is that there are different times in life that someone should attempt this move.  For example, after one set of schooling has been completed.  I can imagine if one is used to the idea of marrying young anyway, then looking overseas might make a great deal of sense in this age range.  In the 17-23 age range, most women will know English and be savvy with the internet.  If something happens, great.  If not, then that is ok as well.  There is really no downside.  At worst, their English will improve.  If something does develop, then this person comes to the West, goes to college, and easily integrates into the new society.

Also, I've noticed several times who the adult is in my family.  (Hint:  It is not me.)  I met my wife at 24 as she was completing her PhD, and I was immediately struck at how much more mature she was than anyone that I had dated 5 years older than she was.

[ScottinCrimea]

teaching English in Ukraine, I met a lot of intelligent, nice looking 17-24 year olds who were fluent in English.  Any time I mentioned to any of them lining them up with a nice AM, the reaction was always the same - They already had a Russian boyfriend and even if they didn't, they would not be interested.

[Simoni]

teaching English in Ukraine, I met a lot of intelligent, nice looking 17-24 year olds who were fluent in English.  Any time I mentioned to any of them lining them up with a nice AM, the reaction was always the same - They already had a Russian boyfriend and even if they didn't, they would not be interested.

Their comments make sense, given their lack of maturity and life experiences.  Another good reason to avoid girls under the age of 30 for the guys here seeking an FSU relationship...

[Lily]

teaching English in Ukraine, I met a lot of intelligent, nice looking 17-24 year olds who were fluent in English.  Any time I mentioned to any of them lining them up with a nice AM, the reaction was always the same - They already had a Russian boyfriend and even if they didn't, they would not be interested.

No wonder for me. They just may not welcome the very idea of being introduced to someone,whether Russian or Western, with the thought of eventual marriage. To be introduced to someone may have for them the meaning that the girls are unable to arrange their private lives by themselves.