Sex and education, cultural, status level

[Pike]

In another earlier thread, there was a subtopic going concerning the quickness that the FSU women agree to have sex compared to their education, cultural and status level, etc.

Some, including some ladies who posted, contended there was a negative correlation.  i.e. that the higher the education, etc., level the less likely they were to have sex on first or early dates.

I posted that my experience was just the opposite.

Now, I have some near confirmation that my experience will continue.

I am arranging meetings now with many women on a WMVM trip.  These women are all in their 40s.  For those coming from nearby cities, I have given them the choice of a one day visit or a two day visit with them staying in my apt overnight.

Without exception, the doctors, dentists, professors, lawyers, business owners, etc., opted for the two day stay.  Without exception, the ones who had education at the college or technical school level and are now working in fairly menial jobs, chose the one day visit . . . i.e. arrive morning and depart evening.  But time off from work was not a factor.  All in the latter group said they would come back for multiple one day visits.

I know, I know . . . doesn't mean that sex will happen, but it always has in the past.

Based on this latest happening and my prior experience, I strongly feel that higher education level leads to more confident women who are not afraid to assert their sexuality.

[BillyB]

I am arranging meetings now with many women on a WMVM trip.  These women are all in their 40s.  For those coming from nearby cities, I have given them the choice of a one day visit or a two day visit with them staying in my apt overnight.

Interesting. I guess these women are in their 40's and they are old enough to make their own decisions. Hopefully their decision isn't based on desperation on getting out of the country. But some of these women do desire to be married and have little chance of that in their country due to their age.

Surely these women know you're staying in town longer than 1-2 days and surely they know you must be meeting other women. Did any woman turn you down yet or start asking difficult questions pertaining to the rest of your plans in town? What is your plan if one of the women likes you but refuses to leave and wants to stay longer overlapping another woman's visit to your apartment? These women may be comfortable about their sexuality but I'm not so sure you could talk them into a threesome.

[Gator]

Now I am confused.  In your other thread I got the impression that you were an average Joe who somehow got the attention of a really fine woman, and you worried whether the attraction was genuine.   

Now I read this thread and it is borderline sex tourist - meeting many women for 1-2 days each with them staying in your apartment and you extrapolating responses to whether sex is likely.  So which man are you?  Serious or not serious?  Thread No. 1 or No.2.

Regarding sex, based on my limited experience with RW/UW, I do not think a woman's profession has a strong influence on when or if sex will happen.  There are numerous factors:  does she like you, do you like her (I hope you have some standards), does she like sex (very important), is she in a good mood, is the apartment inviting, what has been said about the future, etc.   

[KenC]

Billy,
Excuse me but I think you are confused.  Only the one woman is coming from out of town and the rest are local/  At least that is how I read things.
KenC

[ScottinCrimea]

Pike,  What exactly is the purpose of this trip?

[BillyB]

Billy,
Excuse me but I think you are confused.  Only the one woman is coming from out of town and the rest are local/  At least that is how I read things.
KenC

Ken, we're both confused. Pike said "For those coming from nearby cities, I have given them the choice of a one day visit or a two day visit with them staying in my apt overnight."

There are more than one coming from nearby cities and some are living in town.

[Lily]

Well, women differ in their attitude to sex. Same level women may be more or less inclined to occasional sex.

The more upper class ladies may feel more secure about themselves, may use better contraceptions, or may just not wish to suppress their sex drive.

So your point is that those who chose 2 day stay will have sex with you..are you sure about that? Also, are you sure that they stay at your place those 2 days and will not stay with some friends or in a hotel?

There may be also a case that these women just liked you even from your correspondence. Aren't you too modest to us about yourself? 

[ScottinCrimea]

     Something has been bothering me about what Pike has written and I'm having a hard time putting it into words.  It seems he is saying that he is going to meet many women and will have sex with any and all that agree, as has happened in the past.  He doesn't make it clear if his apartment has one bedroom or two.  In my opinion, if he were a gentleman, he would rent a place with two bedrooms and make it clear to the woman that this is the case, or else he would rent a separate room for those who are coming from out of town.  It just seems pretty sleazy to me.  I hope he at least changes the sheets between women.

[jb]

I also have some trouble with Pike's post and am unable to put my finger on exactly why.

If a man is old enough to rave on about a 50 y.o. woman's beauty, I'll go out on a limb and guess he's in his 60's.  Nothing wrong with that IMHO, but what's this fixation on sex all about?  I'd suggest that most of us understand that as time goes by a person's sexual prowess is finite even with the aid of vitamin *V*.  Certainly sex should not be the reason for a man to travel that far to find a mate.   

Combining business with some pleasure is a way to pass some time pleasantly, but which is it?  Is it a business trip?  Or is it a pleasure trip that somebody has figured out a way to get the company to pay for?   I've been on many 5-7 day business trips and never had the time to squeeze in dates with 3-5 women, especially in Russia.  The Russian businessmen I have met like to entertain their out of town visitors after meetings, dinners and drinks, (the magic number of vodka bottles seems to be 3) to the extent that there'd be little time for the ladies even if I'd wanted to have a date.

What's not kosher about this?

[Wayne B]

Maybe I am wrong.....this sounds more like 'How many women I can and have slept with'     Instead of  'I have found a Woman with qualities, such.... that I believe she could become my future 'wife'

[Pike]

Well, women differ in their attitude to sex. Same level women may be more or less inclined to occasional sex.

The more upper class ladies may feel more secure about themselves, may use better contraceptions, or may just not wish to suppress their sex drive.

Gentlemen, most of you are getting off the focus of this thread.  If you want to discuss whether you like what I am doing, then please start another thread.  The topic of this thread is in the header and described in the initial post.

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Lily is on focus with part of her post.  Her last sentence gives her voice to the same experiences that I described initially.

[Daveman]

Gentlemen, most of you are getting off the focus of this thread.  If you want to discuss whether you like what I am doing, then please start another thread.  The topic of this thread is in the header and described in the initial post.

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Lily is on focus with part of her post.  Her last sentence gives her voice to the same experiences that I described initially.

I agree here Pike... nothing 'sex tourist' in the least about posing a general question about women's sexuality, whatever.  I don't have a clue about the answer, but there's nothing wrong with the question. What he does with the information is his own business.  A sexual ( not asexual)  compatibility is absolutely important in a partner and however he goes about learning that information... again... his business.

Good luck with the trip Pike.

[Gator]

Dave,

Pike's two concurrent posts seemed contradictory as I stated before. 

Also, I just find it ridiculous to assume that just because a woman agrees to stay in your apartment overnight is proof that she is ready for sex, unless he has more information that he is sharing now.

Pike has not addressed directly either of those questions. 

I do not see a substantive difference between his assumption and his reporting next month that x women spent the evening in his apartment and __% had sex with him. 
So call me a prude.  There is probably some contradiction between my opinion here and another thread where I announced that I once saw Miss America's pubic hair.

[ScottinCrimea]

I think I have over time developed a different view about things.  I stopped worrying about finding a woman who would have sex with me and focused on finding a woman that I wanted to have sex with.  I know that with some, the only prerequisite for who they will and won't have sex with is based on whether the woman will or won't have sex with them.  I guess it has something to do with gaining self respect and with wanting to be with someone that I respect.  As to whether those with higher education are more likely to have sex earlier, it's all about a woman's personal class, not her social class.  We'll find what we are looking for.

Now since I am very happily married, let me state very clearly that I am not looking for any other woman to have sex with and that I have found a woman that I respect completely.  My search methods paid off.

[Daveman]

I read you Gator.. 'prude' isn't a word I'd associate with you.

Ditto Scott..

I see Pike's post this way... if they show up to his apartment, and say "yes".. that's their business, quite consensual.. if they say "no".. then he'll have to sleep on his back.. if he comes back to the board and posts about it in those terms mentioned... he'll probably get spanked damn near off the board.  I don't see any reason we have to worry about him doing that, because if he does get lucky with 4-5 FSU women in a week, he'll be coming home in the cargo area..  with a smile on his face  ... but just as unable to post..

Dave

[ScottinCrimea]

Well if his only requirement is whether or not they will say yes, I'm sure he'll do just fine.

[Lily]

Well, my earlier post was just one eventual version of the correlation offered by Pike for discussion.

I looked up some information on sex vs her intellectual and social status and could share the following.

Education level of a person vs. her sex drive. They talk on the women who have more than a usual level of education. It has been found that the higher is the education level, the more knowledge is absorbed by the person, the lower is her sex drive and the less sex she actually has in her life. The most educated people show the lowest level of sexual activity, whereas people with basic education allegedly exhibited a higher sex drive. It looks like the intellectuals just don't want sex..Additionally, a high intellectual level results in increased demands to the partner.

Successful career woman vs. her sex drive. They talk on the women who achieved some material wealth and status through their hard work and goal orientation. It has been found that the workaholic women apparently have only a low sex frequency and are generally not satisfied with their sex lives. Unlike the former group, those women want sex but cannot have it or can only have a less than satisfying sex. This group is also very demanding to the partner.  At the same time, some women in this group tend to lose their health, to harden their nature, and what is worse, to lose their femininity. However, in the better cases those women are interesting and exciting to be around with.

Hope Pike will keep us informed about his experiences. I look forward to read him..

[Gator]

Lily,

Thanks for the research.

Is there a similar analysis for men?

If you have some highly educated, successful friends in Moscow, please send them to Pike for some private therapy.  If he is too busy, I will gladly help; however, I charge a fee.

[Simoni]

So call me a prude.  There is probably some contradiction between my opinion here and another thread where I announced that I once saw Miss America's pubic hair.

Hey, Gator!  Still waiting for you to explain that one! 

Pike- on target-- I see no difference in sex drive dependent upon education.  I think it's more the chemistry between the two partners, and not education.   But on the other hand, hot sex with an uneducated girl will likely burn out when the sex has been repeated several hundreds of times the first few months, and then you find you have nothing to talk about...

[Durk]

 
        Higher IQ = more sex drive both men and women.
   
     More stress in the work place less sex. This is true of athletes
ex. distance runners.
     This is also true for other mammals.
       Gotto go back to work.

[Daveman]

        Higher IQ = more sex drive both men and women.

Well now... at least that explains why the sheep around here... oh never mind..

Excellent posts Lily, Simoni...

The question posed though, unless I missed it completely, was not overall sex drive, but how soon the sex drive would be launched into action after meeting.  Perhaps it can be extrapolated that a higher sex drive would lead to a quicker physical aspect in relations.  I doubt it though. It seems that would have more to do with a blending of characters traits aside from education, e.g., willingness to engage in casual sex without emotional attachment, religious beliefs, moral values, the ultimate goal ...  Absolutely nothing at all wrong with casual sex between two adult consenting partners, but the willingness to engage in such would be dependent upon a myriad of factors In Accordance With The Prophecy.

Dave

[jb]

One of these days it's going to dawn on some of you guys that a successful marriage is not built upon having a sexual tigress in your bedroom.   Those who think this way will one day wake up and find that the person sharing your bed is a complete and total stranger and that they have little in common outside of that.  The day you realize that fact is the beginning of the end of the marriage.

So many newbies ask that question.  I've seen it for years around the boards, and the answer is always the same,,, barring some physical handicap, any two willing, normally built adults, male and female, are completely sexually compatable,,, i.e., everyone is able to perform the sex act with some degree or another of enthusiasm.  The various parts will, I promise, fit together and you will find it enjoyable.  What's the big deal?

Instead of focusing on the possible sex drive of RWs, perhaps men should be learning a little about the culture of the FSU woman and how well she might fit into your niche in our culture.   If you are in this game for the long haul you ought not to be too concerned about sex, and be more concerned about being able to communicate your social needs and what it's gong to take to make your family unit one with the strength to weather a few storms.  Trust me, any marriage relationship is stormy some of the time.  There will be times when disappointment visits the best of families, times get rough financially if someone gets laid off from a job, children get sick, cars break down, sometimes even get wrecked.   What will you do to solve family problems when sex isn't the answer?

For a grown up man to ask questions about possible sexuality and compatibility is beyond the pale, honestly. 

[WmGO]

Some good answers have been proposed but absent from them is family upbringing. Obviously, I think by the time a women hits her 40s that upbringing will be less influential in this area, but when it comes to FIRST meetings it *will* make a big difference for women in their 20s and 30s in addition to other factors mentioned.

[Lily]

Some good answers have been proposed but absent from them is family upbringing. Obviously, I think by the time a women hits her 40s that upbringing will be less influential in this area, but when it comes to FIRST meetings it *will* make a big difference for women in their 20s and 30s in addition to other factors mentioned.

Totally agree, and I think I already wrote somewhere at RWD that sexual behavior of the woman is a direct result of her early upbringing in family. The woman unknowingly copies her sexual behaviour from this of her mother, grandmother, sister, aunts.

However, I am not sure whether the upbringing is less influential as the woman gets older..may be. I tend to believe that it is very, very difficult to overcome things that have been invested in the person since her early ages. I doubt it is feasible even in case if the woman is aware of it, and knowingly wants to change herself, to be more sexually open.

Sex drive, temperament, sexual potential in the individual may be big, but it is her upbringing that will urge the woman to act in this or that particular way. We can not control our urges, but we are perfectly able to control our actions.

[Pike]

Thanks to Lily, Daveman, Simoni, Durk, and WmGo for your objective comments.  Interesting how those who don't have an active sex life get so really upset when they think that someone else might have.

Why can't everyone just forget about who posted the question, and focus on some objective comments.  If it will make you feel better, assume some RW asked about the relationship between education, cultural and other status level, and the quickness with which sex occurs.

Yes of course the main ingredient is chemistry between the two.  However, take the scientific approach here.  That means you hold everything else constant and focus on the variable.  So assume chemistry, attraction, etc is the same for women at the opposite ends of the spectrum.  Then, just focus on the education, cultural, and status level.

Interesting Lily's findings of negative correlation re education.  My experience is just the opposite.

But Durk reports positive correlation re IQ.  My experience is that this is true.

In my experience, WmGo has made a good point.  I have experienced women in their 40s who (say at least) that what they are doing now (re sex), they wouldn't have considered or even dreamed of doing when they were in their 20s.