Now for a real war story

[ScottinCrimea]

Jeff, now that you have things sorted out, the first thing you need to do to have any credibiltiy at all on this subject is to answer the many questons that were posed to you before.  If you want to be a member of this forum and discuss Russian Women and the various issues that inevitably seem to branch off from that subject, you are welcome.  But be prepared to back up any stand you take and be prepared for some hard questions if things don't seem on the level.  As you have maybe realized, there are some very sharp guye here with a very wide variety of knowledge and experience and you can't get away with much if that is your purpose.

So welcome back, bring up a topic that you have questions or advice about and jump in with sound opinion and ideas about other topics.

[Jack]

hey Jeff, I don't think we have met, maybe we have. If you PM me with your contact information I'll look you up in 9 weeks when I'm in Kharkov.

[ecr844]

The name is Jeff Mowatt, as ever, try addressing me, make your introduction....

A case of "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" perhaps?

Since these don't work for ya



I'd recommend the following:



and 2x daily my personal favorite...:

[Jeff Mowatt]

Hi Jack,

I won't be in Kharkiv in the foreseeable future, certainly not before September but I believe you know and have met Terry Hallman there before.

Scott, I can't tell you much more than I have already. The purpose of the paper now delivered to Kyiv, is to lay out a broad strategy for development based on proven approaches in childcare reform, microfinance and community broadband deployment. We have never solicited donations, all efforts have been from our own funds.

There are several reasons we can't say more. The first is obviously commercial, as you will know people kill for business in Ukraine. We are reliably informed for instance, that the national telephone carrier employs a team of around 60 people to eavesdrop on business conversations.     

The second is fear. The "Death Camps" story came from an American NGO who've agreed that we can publish it sanitised to remove all references to identities and locations, who made an introduction to an Ukrainian NGO with many similar cases documented. Neither will put their own projects at risk by identifying themselves. In the last few weeks another operation based  in Australia came forward approaching us with a similar scenario. Again when we asked them to put their names to what they'd reported they backed down.

This wasn't any part of the strategy paper. It's been know to us only for the last year after 5 years involvement in country which began with Terry speaking out in a Kyiv Post article about starving children on the streets of Ukraine. All he could do was to make it plain that something would  need to be done about it, in the same way that the EU expected Romania to comply in their childcare institutions.

Finally, there are those whose interests are best served by promoting civic disruption. You live in Crimea and should be aware of developing tensions there between Tatar and ethnic Russians, for instance. This "war story" is about one peculiar individual who pumps out pro-Russian propaganda on a variety of forums for reasons which aren't entirely clear. We know has an agenda for proportional representation and continues an assault on the council of his home town in Australia who failed to elect him as a representative. He's been barred from the For-UA website under all his aliases where the editor pleaded for him to stop flooding the site with his smears, at last and now under the name of ukrtoday, plagues the Pravda forum with his continued accusations against Ukraine's presidency.

http://forum.pravda.com.ua/read.php?9,2449084

This is plainly a man who harbours many grudges and aside from the City of Melbourne and Ukraine's president, he's made Terry and I another of his targets. He's outplayed his welcome in the expat community of Kharkiv where many regard him as psychotic. We also know from locals who have connections with security services that at least 4 groups are keeping tabs on him, including the SBU.

Now if the testimony of this individual is what you base any assessment on, I can only say that it  really doesn't trouble me what anyone here thinks of my credibility. Few here have as much exposure to Ukraine and even then  purely on the dimension of the so-called  "MOB business". I can read plenty of accusations and insulting remarks but no real in depth knowledge of this country.       


   



         

         

[Kuna]

All sound like fun to me...

Jeff... hey Jeff... can I have some of that stuff you're on?

[ScottinCrimea]

Jeff, I didn't take your detractor at his word.  I checked things out and everything he claimed did check out while nothing you claim does.  No matter his source or his motivation, he's right on the money.  You didn't provide a single reference for any of your claims, even when asked specifically.

Your claim that you have never solicited donations is an outright lie.  In your own documents you mention seeking funding by various government programs or charitable sources.  You and Terry have no funds, and certainly not enough to fund the project you propose, which I think you stated would require somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.1 billion. You're just a couple of scam artists trying to sucker anyone in that you can by appealing to their soft side using the specter of child death camps or poor starving Tatars.

As far as real indepth knowledge of Ukraine, it doesn't take much to see through your lies, and those of us who actually live there are perfectly willing to go one on one with you in a debate on the "real" Ukraine.

[Jeff Mowatt]

That Scott is misrepresentation. I believe there's such a suggestion in the whitepaper from 1996 but you'll find no evidence of us seeking donations in Ukraine to undertake this project. In the end it is between two governments

You have quoted a detractor in saying that Terry Hallman claimed to be a personal friend of Bill Clinton. Terry never claimed that, he worked on his re-election campaign and here below is the response I got from his Presidential Library.

Other than that, the Ukraine paper was delivered to the US Embassy in Kyiv

I am trying to comply with Dan's request to discontinue these threads but if you simply return to to call me a liar, then I believe I have a right to respond.

I have the impression that you simply press on because you won't accept your misjudgement. 

Dear Mr. Mowatt:

Thank you for contacting the Clinton Presidential Library.  The
 document you seek is  part of the Clinton campaign records.  These papers have
 not been deeded to anyone.  Hence, they remain under the control of
 President Clinton and currently are not available for research.

If we can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to
 contact us.

Sincerely,


Jimmie Purvis
Archivist
Clinton Presidential Library
1200 President Clinton Avenue
Little Rock, Arkansas  72201
(501) 244-2868


>>> "Jeff Mowatt" <jeff.mowatt@btinternet.com> 06/29/05 09:09AM >>>

Hello,
I'm trying to locate a white-paper for the steering committee to
 reelect the President in 1996. The paper, written by Terry E Hallman promoted
 the concepts of social capitalism, social economics, and social
 enterprise.
Would your library have retained a copy of this document?

Kind regards,

Jeff Mowatt
London UK 

Jeff, I didn't take your detractor at his word.  I checked things out and everything he claimed did check out while nothing you claim does.  No matter his source or his motivation, he's right on the money.  You didn't provide a single reference for any of your claims, even when asked specifically.

Your claim that you have never solicited donations is an outright lie.  In your own documents you mention seeking funding by various government programs or charitable sources.  You and Terry have no funds, and certainly not enough to fund the project you propose, which I think you stated would require somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.1 billion. You're just a couple of scam artists trying to sucker anyone in that you can by appealing to their soft side using the specter of child death camps or poor starving Tatars.

As far as real indepth knowledge of Ukraine, it doesn't take much to see through your lies, and those of us who actually live there are perfectly willing to go one on one with you in a debate on the "real" Ukraine.

[William3rd]

The IGNORE button is definitely an option to controll thread-based diarrhea of the keyboards.

Now if there was just a way to place entire threads on ignore. . . .

[BC]

Now if there was just a way to place entire threads on ignore. . . .

Yeah.. haven't found that button either..

[ecr844]

Sadly even this zealot can't recognize his inherent delusion...

[William3rd]

The only unfortunate thing is that some of the readership either takes him seriously or plays into him too realistically.

If no one responds, he will go away. . . . . I hope

[Jeff Mowatt]

Why chip in with your 2c then Billy Boy?

Won't you get arrested for that picture btw?

 Achieve strike 3 and you are history - without notice.

[Mod2]

Why chip in with your 2c then Billy Boy?

Won't you get arrested for that picture btw?

Crude and Rude.

Strike 2

[ScottinCrimea]

Let's see:  Last I checked it's now 2007.  2007 - 1996 = 11 years.  It sounds like a hot issue for the US government that has people all in a dither to save the world with its groundbreaking new concepts of socio-economic reform.

Why doesn't your old friend have a copy of his own essay?  Why do you need a copy from the Clinton Library?  And how do you know what is in it if you don't have a copy?

Frist rule of common sense:  "When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."

You're shoveling a lot more than dirt here.

[Jeff Mowatt]

Scott, it's you I believe that digging desperately. When you extract script from a smear blog and present it as fact for instance and then when corrected, simply ignore it and switch to a new tack.

Yes, I verified as much as I could by contacting the Clinton library and yes, he had lost his only remaining copy when digital storage was possible but not so commonplace.

Continuing to shout fraud and lies while you simply skip around what you are offered to find new faults, doesn't make you right, but it does indicate your intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice pretty clearly.

Just like this detractor in fact, who will continue his anonymous smear campaign rather than report the crime which he claims is taking place.  . 
     

   

   

[Kuna]

but it does indicate your intellectual dishonesty and moral cowardice pretty clearly.

Jeff,

Get real... you have made claims and assertions that simply can't be supported by fact. You can dance around it as much as you want but the reality is you're living a fantasy.

You must be mighty bored to spend your life dreaming like you do (I'm talking about your wireless telco network here) and sadly you'll leave this world feeling like a failure.

Get a grip.. be honest with yourself... reach inside and be courageous enough to accept that you're living a fantasy.

[I/O]

Mowhawk:  Two very simple questions to give you another chance to establish some credability.

1) Exactly what do you hope to achieve on this board?

2) What laws has my country enacted to protect Russian women from the likes of me? (One of your many abstract comments)

I/O

[ScottinCrimea]

Okay, Jeff, I asked you multiple times to verify your claims and all you can come up with is a letter to the Clinton Library and call that proof of everything?  Remember I asked you, given all the lofty claims of influence and success, to provide me with a single reference that I could contact and you were unable to do that.  Those organizations and individuals that I was able to contact basically refuted everything that you claimed.  So the ball's in your court now.  Either provide the independent references, or shut up.

This detractor that you speak of at least backs up his claims.  You only try to attack him because you can't respond credibly.  I'm afraid he has earned a lot more credibility than you.

[William3rd]

Was he referring to my picture? With a 36 year old woman? Tough thing about ignore- you have to look at quotes to see what is said when you are pointedly not reading the content any more.

[ecr844]

Was he referring to my picture? With a 36 year old woman? Tough thing about ignore- you have to look at quotes to see what is said when you are pointedly not reading the content any more.

"William,"

     You only missed the fact he made a defamatory remark stating to the effect that "Someone should call the FBI on you;" implying you were 'violating' the lady in the picture and that perhaps she 'may not be of age'....... :burnedup: :seething:

[catzenmouse]

I don't think that anyone here ever expects Maugwa to tell the truth and come clean.

A troll does not have the "moral bravery" to go there.

They are quite good at deflecting and projecting their own inadequacies onto others. It probably works pretty well in a forum full of some lower life form such as they belong to. Perhaps the Orc forum would be good. They aren't too bright. Ah well... such is the life of a professional troll....

Ken

[William3rd]

Ohhhh- is that all he said? That could be almost a compliment .

I gave up on reading his material. Obi-wan Kenobi made a lot more sense than this guy.

[catzenmouse]

Obi-wan Kenobi made a lot more sense than this guy.

Very apropos William! His motto much be: "May the Farce be with you" 

[Kharkovite]

I wish to apologise in advance for re-invigorating Mr Mowatt's posts but it has just been brought to my attention that Mr Mowatt once again is on his tirade of abuse, false and misleading information.

I noticed that Mr Mowatt is now seeking to claim some credit and involvement in a recent announcement by the government. who in the run up to an election have announced determination to spend money on various welfare projects.

I have heard similar claims made by Jeff Mowatt and his associate before.

What I fail to see yet again is any evidence that supports the nation that Mr Mowatt and his associate Terry Hallman have had anything significant to do with the recent announcement.  like most of their other claims supporting evidence is lacking as to their involvement and claims of success.

Not once could we find any independent supporting evidence to back up Mr Mowatt's claims of sucess. not once.  myself and others are still waiting 18 months later nothing.

I find it strange that Mr Mowat has, yet again chosen to spruke bleeding heart bwar story his war story on this site.

Mr Mowatt on a recent posting on a Ukrainian political debate forum made the following reference (referring to members of this site)

They are mostly American mail order bride seekers, the dumber kind who have very little knowledge of the territory, little political interest or social awareness.

I think the comment above speaks for itself, and if I may, I would like to distance myself from this comment as in reading some of the comments on this board in particular I have come to the conclusion that those who contribute to the discussions on this forum are very much well informed.

Once again I apologize for feeling the need to respond to Mr Mowatt recent statements.

This whole vendetta thing with Mr Mowatt followed on from a meeting with his associate in Kharkov. It was only when we undertook some further research into the claims being made that we began to smell a rat..When we asked question about the nature of Mr Mowatt's business which he was prompting instad of answers we only got abuse, insults and more abuse.  When further challenged Mr Mowatt saw fit to publish personal details such as passport banking details as some sort of imtimidation.

18 months on the only person drawing attention to Mr Mowatt's "war injuries stories" is himself. 

Mr Mowatt clearly feels he has something to prove.

If he has something to prove then answer the basic questions that myself and others have asked.  Provide substancial evidence to back up his claims of success and stop spuking his campiagn of harrassment of myslef, my family and associates.
 
Mr Mowatt continues to stalk me, my family and my business associates and in the process incite others to particpate in his ongoing vendetta.

If I can suggest please close this comment also...


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[Admin]

I wish to apologise in advance for re-invigorating Mr Mowatt's posts but it has just been brought to my attention that Mr Mowatt once again is on his tirade of abuse, false and misleading information.

I noticed that Mr Mowatt is now seeking to claim some credit and involvement in a recent announcement by the government. who in the run up to an election have announced determination to spend money on various welfare projects.

I have heard similar claims made by Jeff Mowatt and his associate before.

What I fail to see yet again is any evidence that supports the nation that Mr Mowatt and his associate Terry Hallman have had anything significant to do with the recent announcement.  like most of their other claims supporting evidence is lacking as to their involvement and claims of success.

Not once could we find any independent supporting evidence to back up Mr Mowatt's claims of sucess. not once.  myself and others are still waiting 18 months later nothing.

I find it strange that Mr Mowat has, yet again chosen to spruke bleeding heart bwar story his war story on this site.

Mr Mowatt on a recent posting on a Ukrainian political debate forum made the following reference (referring to members of this site)

I think the comment above speaks for itself, and if I may, I would like to distance myself from this comment as in reading some of the comments on this board in particular I have come to the conclusion that those who contribute to the discussions on this forum are very much well informed.

Once again I apologize for feeling the need to respond to Mr Mowatt recent statements.

This whole vendetta thing with Mr Mowatt followed on from a meeting with his associate in Kharkov. It was only when we undertook some further research into the claims being made that we began to smell a rat..When we asked question about the nature of Mr Mowatt's business which he was prompting instad of answers we only got abuse, insults and more abuse.  When further challenged Mr Mowatt saw fit to publish personal details such as passport banking details as some sort of imtimidation.

18 months on the only person drawing attention to Mr Mowatt's "war injuries stories" is himself. 

Mr Mowatt clearly feels he has something to prove.

If he has something to prove then answer the basic questions that myself and others have asked.  Provide substancial evidence to back up his claims of success and stop spuking his campiagn of harrassment of myslef, my family and associates.
 
Mr Mowatt continues to stalk me, my family and my business associates and in the process incite others to particpate in his ongoing vendetta.

If I can suggest please close this comment also...


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http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=4687.60

Sometimes people come onto RWD and manage to, relatively quickly, self-implode. Those are usually people who come here with an 'agenda' and they are quickly found out.

At this point, the Mowatt situation has enjoyed far too much 'air-time' at RWD. It is clearly a distraction and diversion from the theme of RWD - as are the follow-ups, no matter how compelled or well-intended the comments.

Suggest - rather than apologize for "re-invigorating" the posts - you let it lie. Totally.

- Dan