Acceptable Behaviour and Trip Reports

[Admin]

so nice journalists. I know that some stories from antidate was re-published many times in european newspaper though I never contacted with those nespapers/magazines
and how do you know that Pike stories won't be re-written beyond recognition in some newspaper under name John (55, Florida)

Kvinna,

Whatever Pike does outside of RWD is of no concern to me. I just do not care.

In the case of a "journalist" basing their stories on an internet discussion forum - ANY internet discussion forum - that is the weakest foundation I can imagine. As I understand the rules of *professional* journalism - comments taken from an internet discussion forum would never qualify for serious inclusion in any vetted piece.

- Dan

[ScottinCrimea]

But Kvinna does make a valid point.  IIRC, someone posted an article about the MOB business written by a feminist and it mentioned this site and quoted the posts of some of our members (sometimes out of context).  Imagine if she had gotten hold of Pike's report.  No matter how much we may argue that the discerning reader would know this is not the nature of this board, we would be forever attached to Pike as an accepted member of this forum.

[batman]

Lets get down to the very basics of this situation:

Please define the purpose or mission of this website

Please amend the TOS of this site based on the above.

Until these 2 actions are done there is no line drawn and we have this grey area where about 40% of the guys on this forum are happy to jump around in or support those that do.

Then each of us can decide if we want to be part of this group. I'm still not sure if I'm part of a sex tourist/casual sex playboy group or a group of people that have their act together on what is considered acceptable behaviour. I feel like I'm working in a company that hasn't decided if it's ok to steal each others possessions or if it's ok to sexually harass coworkers. (I'm not insinuating anyone is allowing sexual harassment - I'm using an analogy of deciding what is acceptable behavior)

I consider myself a responsible person and have worked in many groups and upheld the standards to the betterment of that group. If I saw a loafing or destructive person I would take action to straighten it out with them or see that that persons senior did. Most of us can say we have done the same - to the betterment of the group we were working with.

I am operating on the basis that this group consists of those individuals whose are searching for a longterm/life long partner in the FSU as their PRIMARY purpose and treat women with dignity, honesty and respect and expect and receive the same treatment in return.

Am I correct in assuming this is such a group? If so this same group would not tolerate the actions of Pike and he would be thrown out for the betterment of the group.

If this is not such a group then I must be in the wrong place. Who needs members of a group that will destroy it given freedom to ruin? Should a company or other group allow it members to dirty it's image?  I would quit any job where the "senior staff" and boss tolerated such unacceptable behavior.

Any group in history has failed when it did not uphold an acceptable level of behavior within the group.

I'm suggesting to define the line and then HOLD THE LINE!

[KenC]

I don't know about anyone else, but personally I am MUCH more embarrassed to be associated with the men that go over to Russia and propose to woman they don't know or can even understand without an interpreter than Pike.  It is these one week (day? hour?) wonders that tarnish the image of any man married to a Russian woman and needless to say the image of all RW.  My wife and I will always have to live with how our society views the AM and RW that hastily jump into matrimony to meet each of their own needs without any thoughts of actually establishing a relationship let alone falling in love.  It is these men AND women that cheapen and tarnish every AM/RW relationship.
KenC

[ScottinCrimea]

batman   

[Mir]

As long as this forum endorses WMVM (and I am not saying that it shouldn't) such allegations will be made from ant-date, anti-mob, militant feminists.
Any trip that involves a man from west who travels to FSU and meets several women during dates arranged by an agency will smell of sleaze to some.
Even if he is meeting one woman he can be accused of exploiting the poor FSU women by using his superior financial position.
So if you want to create a totally clean image of this forum then ban any discusion by men about dating FSU women period.

[ScottinCrimea]

KenC, At least the one week wonders are looking for a longterm relationship.  The timing of when they make this decision is their choice.  They fit within what I understand the purpose of this forum to be.  Pike does not.  If I am wrong, then I am in the wrong forum.

[Mir]

KenC, At least the one week wonders are looking for a longterm relationship.  The timing of when they make this decision is their choice.  They fit within what I understand the purpose of this forum to be.  Pike does not.  If I am wrong, then I am in the wrong forum.

Not all of them are doing it with right reason. Take example of John Anthony from TIU, there are many like him. Totally committed to find a wife (only wife) in FSU, one who will be their slave as she is from a poor country. So they are happy to marry any girl they fancy, see how it goes and if she is not what they want divorce and move to the next one.
Just because a man is looking for a wife does not make him a saint.

[Kvinna]

Kvinna,
Whatever Pike does outside of RWD is of no concern to me. I just do not care.
- Dan

pitty Dan, pitty, I think a such sort of TR can ruin reputation RWD, for seems you have a chance for relating  RWD with sex-tourism
btw, wouldn't admin of  goodwife.com care as his site related with human trafficking on www.senate.gov?
http://www.senate.gov/~foreign/testimony/2004/JacksonTestimony040713.pdf

[ScottinCrimea]

Mir, John Anthony is a very poor example.  He posts more about his desire for sex and relates how he stops in Amsterdam on the way back from Ukraine to sample the various prostitutes there and then posts about his preferences in where the prosttitutes are from.  He is commited to finding a sex partner, not a wife.

[Kvinna]

Even if he is meeting one woman he can be accused of exploiting the poor FSU women by using his superior financial position.

Mon chere, that times when you can use your superior financial position are over. Now better be afraid if the FSU women use it

[BillyB]

IIRC, someone posted an article about the MOB business written by a feminist and it mentioned this site and quoted the posts of some of our members (sometimes out of context).  Imagine if she had gotten hold of Pike's report.  No matter how much we may argue that the discerning reader would know this is not the nature of this board, we would be forever attached to Pike as an accepted member of this forum.

Is that your fault an unprofessional journalist used Pike as an example for all us and ignored what the majority is saying? What do you think of the readers who believe that journalist who written the article and publication that produces that trash? It's not your fault if RWD is mentioned in the article and the readers get mad and disgusted at you and RWD without reading the source for themself. Albert came and went, annono came and went. For those who haven't read their stuff, this place has gotten better and more popular over time with quality people. Pertaining to the number of graphic sex tourists, if RWD has change and is different than what some of you remember, then it has changed for the better.

Kvinna, journalists will find the infomation even if internet didn't exist. I don't like it and I'm sure you don't like it when a journalist talks about Russian women as desperate and wanting to leave the country with any loser. That is not true.

Over two thousand members with 3 being accused of sex tourism. As Bruno said earlier, the regular population has a worse ratio. How does this trip report define RWD? How does it define a person when they read one trip report to define over 2000 people?

[Mir]

Scott

I have to disagree.
Yes JA uses prostitutes in Amsterdam but he only went to Ukraine to find a wife.
He did marry a girl in Ukraine and after three years divorced her as she did not want to have a baby. He is still going there and meeting girls to marry.
As the situation in Ukraine has improved and girls are not so naive and desperate he is not getting much offers anymore.
True he is a poor example, middle age, overweight and devoid of social skills but there are are more polished men then him who are looking for a wife with the same motivations.
The point I want to make is: Just because a man is looking for a wife does not make him automatically superior to the one who is not travelling with the sole purpose of finding a wife.

[Mir]

Mon chere, that times when you can use your superior financial position are over. Now better be afraid if the FSU women use it

If you mean myself specifically then I don't ever.
If you mean as a rule that this is not possible then I must say you have no idea of conditions in the FSU (I know you live there but such remarks show that you live in a cocoon).

[Kvinna]

Over two thousand members with 3 being accused of sex tourism. As Bruno said earlier, the regular population has a worse ratio. How does this trip report define RWD? How does it define a person when they read one trip report to define over 2000 people?

Bill, you know and I know that there is always a lot of people who take this TR as a guide for visiting FSU.
As it was with TallBill's report Pike's has wrote a good manual for newbies in sex-tourism. Though after Slutochka those both trippers seem like the children.

[ScottinCrimea]

Mir. I'm afraid that I have to agree with you.  But while he would fit the general guidelines of this forum, his actions and comments would quickly identify him as someone who no one here would want to associate with in any form.  I thin we both agree that his example is unique -  someone with the right goal who is going about it in all of the wrong ways.  He would not last long here.

[KenC]

KenC, At least the one week wonders are looking for a longterm relationship.  The timing of when they make this decision is their choice.  They fit within what I understand the purpose of this forum to be.  Pike does not.  If I am wrong, then I am in the wrong forum.

First let me remind you that Pike stated that he was open to marriage even if it was not his primary purpose.  That being said, maybe what Pike did was tasteless, but what the one week wonders do is foolish.  And does "intentions of a longterm relationship" cure all evils?  Is that the only deciding factor between what is acceptable or unacceptable here?
KenC

[Kvinna]

If you mean myself specifically then I don't ever.
If you mean as a rule that this is not possible then I must say you have no idea of conditions in the FSU (I know you live there but such remarks show that you live in a cocoon).

oh so you know better the conditions in the FSU
don't know why if you will visit only brothels you will be sure there is only prostitues out there
maybe you have to open your eyes and go to other places to see a big positive side in Russia?

[Mir]

Kvina

I have not said there is nothing positive, only that there is still marked unequal distribution of wealth within FSU.
Not to long ago I have the opportunity to visit a village about 20 miles from Kiev. Believe me it was a different world from Kiev altogather and even basic facilities were lacking.
The loss of agriculture has made people in villages unemployed. Young people can only find work in cities but to live in Kiev is very expensive and good jobs are few.
My eyes are always open, are yours?
(I will ignore your reference about visiting prostitutes as it is at worst a indecent allegation and at best a crappy analogy)

[Shadow]

Kvina

I have not said there is nothing positive, only that there is still marked unequal distribution of wealth within FSU.
Not to long ago I have the opportunity to visit a village about 20 miles from Kiev. Believe me it was a different world from Kiev altogather and even basic facilities were lacking.
The loss of agriculture has made people in villages unemployed. Young people can only find work in cities but to live in Kiev is very expensive and good jobs are few.
My eyes are always open, are yours?
(I will ignore your reference about visiting prostitutes as it is at worst a indecent allegation and at best a crappy analogy)

Mir, my fiancee puts it this way. A village woman on TV is protesting against the government that she has so little. She is looking fat, and it shows she has 11 children. Any young family in Moscow will have to take on a second job to afford having even one child. So who has less wealth ?
Look through different eyes, and you will see a whole new world.

[Shadow]

Mir, John Anthony is a very poor example.  He posts more about his desire for sex and relates how he stops in Amsterdam on the way back from Ukraine to sample the various prostitutes there and then posts about his preferences in where the prosttitutes are from.  He is commited to finding a sex partner, not a wife.

I missed that. But one thing is sure. If he actually found a Dutch prostitue in Amsterdam he was very, very lucky....   

[ScottinCrimea]

Actually, he posted that he preferred the FSU prostitutes, and that is why he was looking there for a wife.

[Jack]

Bill, you know and I know that there is always a lot of people who take this TR as a guide for visiting FSU.

Kvinna I can't speak for Billy but would be very surprised if he agreed with what you are saying in that "he knows" what you are saying to be correct.

I for one totally disagree with you in that a lot of people will take Pike's TR as a guide for visiting FSU.  Absolute BS.

[Wayne B]

Actually, he posted that he preferred the FSU prostitutes, and that is why he was looking there for a wife.

Scott, I ask myself about his post 'What the Hell does this have to do with wanting to find a good woman for marriage'......I read about two of his post and decided that this was not for me.....Then, when he spoke about 16 year old girls......I thought about my own daughter....This kind of sh!t does not belong on RWD....there are far many more places one could go to read such sh!t....Not Here.....Wayne.

[Mir]

Shadow

I am not sure what you think I can't see.

Kavina suggests that there is no economic disparity between Western men and FSU women, she says that actually the FSU women are so rich that they can use their wealth to exploit western men.
I find this suggestion absurd.
Yes the life style of women (and men) in FSU is better now they 10 years ago but when the economic disadvantage between FSU c/w Western world disappears then there will no longer be any FSU women looking for WM.
Yes economic reasons are not the only reasons they look towards West but it is one of the most important reasons that often tilts the balance.
No one is happy to leave their friends,family and culture to move away unless there are compelling circumstances.