Trying to understand this process

[Makkin]

Nice thread and topic,


  Gator you made the best statement I have read in a long time . i agree and have the same opinion. You stated that a man should meet the woman 4-5 times before getting into the marriage process. Yes its a thing that I feel should be done. Meet many times before making serious decisions.

  Kvinna (sp),

  I trust you because I've got an instinct about you that makes sense to me.  My first impression tells me you are honest. I think you are someone who can help many men in this process and I am hearing you speak clearly.

  Original poster,

  You have the ability to make it happen easily it seems and when you do make it happen it will probably seem easy to you because you are able to see very clearly at this early stage.

Makkin

[Turboguy]

The Siberian Lady sitting a few inches from me does not agree about the rarity of English speaking women in Siberia.   Most all the school children are tought some English, English is also tought to most university students for a year or two.     Many forget what they learned but the percentage of women who speak English is much higher in her opinion than the 1 in 50 I/O claimed.   

I have to agree that Siberia is a great place to go in your search.  Another good agency that is full service is Russian Pearls in Barnaul.   Going there is worth the extra miles and a great experience.

[DKMM]

Here in America I live closer to Vladivostock than my fiance does in Moscow.  If you were considering Siberia, take a short trip to Alaska first.  You can even find an orthodox church some places and outside of the cities its mostly the same.

I concur with the Moscow/Tver idea.  Ron, read my TR entitled Back to Rodina for an idea of what that was like for me.

[Kvinna]

before you choose the destination point of your Russian women's quest I would like to mention that not every Russian woman who looks for foreign soulmet willing deal with Americas
according to our poll the most of them look for Europeans (77,97%), and only 10,17% wouldn't like to find American husband
though in case of thread's author, knowing his monthly salary even I can revise opinion of marriage to americans, of course if my lawyers draw up prenup 

[Mir]

[knowing his monthly salary even I can revise opinion of marriage to americans, of course if my lawyers draw up prenup  /quote]

Well then the advice that he should not advertise his salary is wrong, he should make it as one of the reasons women should select him

[I/O]

according to our poll the most of them look for Europeans (77,97%), and only 10,17% wouldn't like to find American husband

Might give a tiny clue as to why 2/3 are still looking.

I/O

[Kvinna]

Might give a tiny clue as to why 2/3 are still looking.

I/O

you know, most of Russian women aren't unscrupulous and promiscuous, so they look for the best quality

[MaxxumUSA]

Ronthebikeguy...

First and foremost...  So you ride Harley?  Cool.  I ride also.

Now...  I just found this new thread and spent the time to read through it.  Many people gave great advice.

I will give you a little bit of my story.  I was DAMN lucky - and I did not waste a lot of time before finding my woman.

I signed up on Elena's Models website on Dec 26,2006.  By the first week or so there were many women I was corresponding with.  On Jan 2 this year I talked via webchat on Skype for the first time with my Elena.  We chatted for a couple days and then we decided we would like to meet.  By Jan 9th I had my visa and plane tickets in hand to visit her in Samara.

We talked about many issues and topics before I visited.  Some very serious, other not so much.  But by the time I showed up it allowed us time to simply enjoy each other's company and see how we interacted together.  Basically we hit it off fantastically.  The final evening of my very first trip to Russia to see my very first woman I talked to on the telephone - we decided we wanted to be together - as in married.  We filed our K-1 paperwork March 13 and to jump ahead a bit her interview to come to me in USA is on Aug 21st.

In any case...  I visited a second time for the first three weeks in April.  At this time I proposed and we became officially engaged in the eyes of her family and friends.  This second visit gave us an opportunity to know each other much better and really proved to us we are doing the right thing by filing the K-1.

NOW - as I type this post I am sitting in her flat here in Samara while she works.  This is my third visit this year.  Two weeks this time.

So...  others have said to wait 4-5 visits before making a decision to marry.  Well...  I knew what I wanted in a partner - and so did my Elena.  I don't see that we are making a mistake by getting engaged so soon or bringing her to the USA to marry.  By the time we get married we will have known each other about 10 or 11 months.

In any case...  I am 39 years old also.  Just like you I was simply tired of "The game."  Sure...  it was fun to go out and land some hot babes in the USA...  but they did not want a family.  They wanted to play, and not be responsible.  Certainly they did not at any point take responsibility for the role they played in a dispute.  With Elena things are quite different.  She is forgiving, and is able to ask for forgiveness also when she feels she did something wrong.  I cannot recall a single AW ever telling me they are sorry.

My Elena has other qualities that I have yet to find in any other woman.  I thank God that she was still available when I started my search.  Oh...  BTW she was on Elenasmodels for 8 months or so and not one single man came to visit her.  This I find amazing because she had a great profile, a single never married woman, beautiful, hard working, great family, has Internet access, cell phone, home phone, etc. so it was and is very easy to stay in touch almost 24/7.  I bring this up because if you are willing to travel then I am sure you can find a similar woman.  But you can't meet one if you don't get on a plane.

I'm not sure if people here perceive me as a OWW.  (One week wonder) Oh well... I have a wonderful woman and we are extremely happy when we are in the same room together.  She is a true partner in life like no other woman I have ever been with.  She supports me when I need it, and I support her when she needs it.

Elena wants children and family is very important to her.  This is why I looked abroad for a soul mate.  This is important to me.  Plus...  she is damn beautiful and the accent IS hot.  LOL

[Bruce]

"before you choose the destination point of your Russian women's quest I would like to mention that not every Russian woman who looks for foreign soulmet willing deal with Americas
according to our poll the most of them look for Europeans (77,97%), and only 10,17% wouldn't like to find American husband"

Of course he should take the poll for what it is worth ie. Russian feminazi's prefer to marry European men.  Sounds great for the Americans to me!

[Turboguy]

Something that has not been suggested yet that I think would be a great option for you would be to go along on Jack's  (FirstDream, already recommended to you as an agency) Fall tour to Ukraine.   

I would never recommend the big agency tours such as AFA or AW (I learned how bad they are the hard way, by going) and I would not recommend using an agency like Elena's for a trip even though I met my fiancee through Elena's and recommend them totally.

My thoughts on recommending Jack's fall tour is that it would give you a chance to travel with other guys and to work with a dozen or so agencys throughout the area.   You have a support group with you and Jack will turn you into an expert in the process of finding an FSU woman.   You would meet hundreds of eligible women and have all the details of the trip worked out for you.   Read some of the reviews that are here and even my blow by blow report of the fall trip a year ago.    That is my two cents worth.

[Mir]

I think when the MOB business started marrying an American was by far number one dream, the reason of course was the concept of US being the promissed land.
With time reality has kicked in, still I feel men from US do have an edge due to the simple fact that the main reason for any immigration is either economic (and US is by far the largest economy in the world) or persecution at home (not relevant here).

[I/O]

you know, most of Russian women aren't unscrupulous and promiscuous, so they look for the best quality

Yep, and I happen to know one that found that "Best Quality"

I/O

[Mir]

[quoteYep, and I happen to know one that found that "Best Quality" ][/quote]

Do you mean the one who has been writing to Dave24?

[BC]

"before you choose the destination point of your Russian women's quest I would like to mention that not every Russian woman who looks for foreign soulmet willing deal with Americas
according to our poll the most of them look for Europeans (77,97%), and only 10,17% wouldn't like to find American husband"

Of course he should take the poll for what it is worth ie. Russian feminazi's prefer to marry European men.  Sounds great for the Americans to me!

Ahh BS..

Here's 16 good reasons off the top of my head.. :

1. Simple and quick immigration, took us 3 weeks for EU K3 approval / visa.
2. Tourist visa for young ladies possible.
3. Local immigration offices, not 'black holes'.
4. Get married on tourist visa.
5. No long wait for AP travel document process, -fly back whenever you want.
6. Low flight costs, -wife flying back this week for 7 days for a wedding. Flights under 300 bucks. Sometimes to Moscow and back as low as 70.
7. EU 'green card' almost immediate when married to EU citizen.
8. Quicker citizenship.
9. Visa for relatives rarely a problem, in-laws coming for the 3rd time in 5 years this summer.
10. Cheap phone calls.. 7 cents per call regardless of length without a computer.
11. No great problem calling with time zone differences.
11. Around 20 FSU TV channels available free via satellite.
12. Free or at least affordable health insurance and good service most places.
13. Orthodox church nearby.
14. Most cities have RU/UA food stores or serviced by travelling busses, even in the 'boonies'
15. Easy travel without visa to all EU countries.
16. No trailer parks.

[Kvinna]

7. EU 'green card' almost immediate when married to EU citizen.

7 years for Denmark

[TigerPaws]

BC,

There is no question Europe has made the process easier then it is here in the U.S. and the simple fact the Europe is closer to the FSU is unquestionably a major factor in many of the girls minds. But that should not detur American men in any way as the pool of available ladies is so large that finding exactly the type of lady a man is looking for is still not much of a problem.

By-the-way non internet telephone calls from anywhere in the U.S. to Moscow can be had for as little as 2.9 cents per minute and 8 cents to anywhere else in the FSU so cost is not an issue. Now time zones, well yes that can be a problem.

TigerPaws

[TigerPaws]

The Siberian Lady sitting a few inches from me does not agree about the rarity of English speaking women in Siberia.   Most all the school children are tought some English, English is also tought to most university students for a year or two.     Many forget what they learned but the percentage of women who speak English is much higher in her opinion than the 1 in 50 I/O claimed.   

I have to agree that Siberia is a great place to go in your search.  Another good agency that is full service is Russian Pearls in Barnaul.   Going there is worth the extra miles and a great experience.

I am going to agree with Turboguy on this, Siberia is a great place to look for very high quality ladies but it is not for the faint of heart or the inexperienced traveler.

TigerPaws

[Rvrwind]

I don't see why my statement is this case anti-man if I insist that the women must pay?
it is funny, antidate girls also accuse me when I say if you are serious in your searches you have to pay for online dating, but of course not for doubtful agencies services

If this is truly your meaning then it is me lacking English skills & I apologize wholeheatedly. I couldn't agree more if they are serious in their search they will pay for the services provided them, if not, then they are players or at least many of them are not serious enough.
Bruce, I can see you havn't been to our website in a while Bud!! LOL  know, your married now,  . But we do offer Full Service Packages as well as Pay as You Go & we can also set up tours & fishing trips & many other things to keep you occupied well still enjoying the company of beautiful ladies.

[TigerPaws]

Rvrwind,

 It is nice to hear that you are offering a greater selection of services, I was wondering if you have ever catered to the more well off gentleman who wishes to keep a low profile? I know a number of men who are willing and able to afford a more personalized service but have yet to find someone trustworthy enough, are you in a position to offer such services now?

TigerPaws

[BC]

BC,

By-the-way non internet telephone calls from anywhere in the U.S. to Moscow can be had for as little as 2.9 cents per minute and 8 cents to anywhere else in the FSU so cost is not an issue. Now time zones, well yes that can be a problem.

TigerPaws

Tiger 7 cents per call, regardless of duration.  At the bottom of telephone bills you can usually see how many hours of conversation were made that month.. our bill lists days!

I figured out that at 8 cents per minute we would have had a bill of over 700 bucks.. we paid 50.

[BC]

7 years for Denmark

Kvinna,

Sure you are not referring to citizenship?  I'm talking about a permanent residency document.

[TigerPaws]

Tiger 7 cents per call, regardless of duration.  At the bottom of telephone bills you can usually see how many hours of conversation were made that month.. our bill lists days!

I figured out that at 8 cents per minute we would have had a bill of over 700 bucks.. we paid 50.

7 cents per call? Damn that is cheap beats the Hell out of 4.95 per minute for our satellite telephone. Then again we only use the sat phone for emergencies, still it is nice to know you can get help in the middle of the Atlantic if you need it.

TigerPaws

[Rvrwind]

Rvrwind,

 It is nice to hear that you are offering a greater selection of services, I was wondering if you have ever catered to the more well off gentleman who wishes to keep a low profile? I know a number of men who are willing and able to afford a more personalized service but have yet to find someone trustworthy enough, are you in a position to offer such services now?

TigerPaws

Not sure what kind of service your asking about Tiger. We are descreet with all our clients & do not mention to anyone they are our clients until they refer to it first. We don't do personal matchmaking if that is what your asking. I firmly believe that if a man wants to marry a woman its up to him to woo her, not me.
I think I still need a little more info to decide how to answer what your asking.

[ronthebikeguy]

Rvrwind,

I want to give you some feedback on your website.

As a newcomer, I find it difficult to understand. I dont quite 'get' the pricing and how everything works. I think your packages and FAQ need to be 'dumbed down' a bit. Along with maybe an example of how it would work for Mr Jones, or something?

[TigerPaws]

Rvrwind,

Maybe what I am talking about could be described as a highly personalized service to men who are able and willing to properly compensate you for your time and efforts for a more full service approach.

Working with the gentleman on everything concerned with the logistics of his various trips (someone to meet him at the airport, car, driver, interpreter, lodging, suitable places to eat and such).

Assistance in understanding what is involved and expected in finding and courting a Russian lady as well as the time line necessary for a successful search (in general) and help with a K1 or other visa should he want or require  help.

Assistance with both telephone and written correspondence with previously screened ladies who are interested in meeting with the gentleman.

Facilitating the meetings once the gentleman arrives in country with the opportunity for additional activities should the gentleman and one (or more) of the ladies so desire depending on how much time the gentleman will have in country.

Rvrwind I am not talking about a matchmaker in the traditional sense but more of a facilitator. As I said this type of service would require a great deal of your time and you would be expected to charge for that as the type of men I am talking about fully understand that you would need to be properly compensated you for your efforts.

TigerPaws