High End Match Making

[BC]

So Kuna.
You mean that i shall tell the women that i am trying to learn and want to learn to speak Russian and learn about there culture.
But leave out that i make 4000$/month after tax?


I know and really hope that i will meet a good girl this trip to Odessa.
I got a friend and his wife in Odessa and they will help me find a good one.
If i meet someone i let them talk to her and they will see in minutes if she is a MM"money-milker" or for real.

Btw.
about my salary......it's true

There is an old rule.. Never sell a friend a used car or give them a loan.  A wife... hmm..

btw. It's disposable income that counts.. and no, I don't need to know.

[MaxxumUSA]

Well...

I know for a fact that my income is part of what women find attractive about me.  I think that's OK to a certain degree.

I have never had problems attracting women at all income levels of my life - but definitely I have had more success when I approach a trip, dinner, or event without even the thought that it might cost too much.  The quality women of the world will gravitate towards men that are not totally broke, and have freedom from financial insecurity.

NO - It seems that I am not near as "rich" as some on this board - but I know I make a decent living.  I see no problem with admitting that.  As a matter of fact - I am proud as all hell that I am self made.  My recent troubles with my corporation put the fear of God in me as I never want to have an average income again.  Thank goodness that trouble is gone - for good.

It was on my third visit that I revealed my income to Elena as she needs to provide this information for her Interview.  She started talking about minimums for her interview and then I pointed to one months income and she was not worried any longer.

I don't think she fully comprehends the amount of freedom we will enjoy because of the income.  But in the same regard - part of her attraction to me MUST be based on the fact that I am free to live as I want to live - most of the time.  In the USA I have women attracted to me also - partly because of this freedom I enjoy.

Like it or not - a high income IS (currently - and knock on wood) part of what makes me who I am.  My friends, family, and others know this.  They joke that I can sit in a bar with my cell phone and make a few thousand bucks by simply answering the phone.  And the funny thing is - it's true.  LOL

My point being is that I don't think having a high income should either be overly flaunted, nor hidden.  I don't walk around bragging about the money I can and do make.  BUT - in conversation where it is relevant I have no quams stating my annual, monthly, or weekly income.

For the record:  I could get a woman while sitting on a broken bicycle with two flat tires, crappy clothes, and no money in my pocket.  BUT - the woman willing to date me at the time might be a bit undesireable.

[Simoni]

Well...

I know for a fact that my income is part of what women find attractive about me.  I think that's OK to a certain degree.

You are a smart man, MaxxumUSA.  The others who have posted that income has nothing to do with the girls selection of a mate are dreamers.

Food, shelter and clothing are BIG on any girls list of what they want from a husband.

[Wayne B]

Ken C, with all due respect ya'lls 7+ years of marriage is in my opinion 'fantastic' and I wish the two of you to have 100 years of love and marriage together...forever.... As I have said before....I am a 'rookie' in marriage with a woman from the FSU.....7years from now....I pray that Anna and I are where you two are now....   .....and 'NO' this process is not easy by no stretch of the imagination...it takes very hard work, time and yes money.....That being said....I have one question for you....When you met your wife face to face...what country did the two of you meet in?  

[IAmZon]

Money ... you got lots of friends.

AW and RW both look at the ability to provide first, life-style second.  Let's face it, there is a big difference in a more affluent life-style.  A man's ability to provide is similar to a women's beauty - not the MOST important thing, but ... you know.

[Simoni]

Money ... you got lots of friends.

AW and RW both look at the ability to provide first, life-style second.  Let's face it, there is a big difference in a more affluent life-style.  A man's ability to provide is similar to a women's beauty - not the MOST important thing, but ... you know.

Wow, Riv! I was thinking about this and the hits tigerpaws and kenC were taking for calling the truth the truth....and I was going to post that...

Guys who think that girls don't care about the man's ability to provide and take care of them and family, are the same ones who say they don't care about the girl's looks!!!!

But you beat me too it with your more clearly stated post....in bold above.

[acrzybear]

  They joke that I can sit in a bar with my cell phone and make a few thousand bucks by simply answering the phone.  And the funny thing is - it's true.  LOL

 Damn Max

How can I get a job like that?   :usdeyes: I'm just a civil servant making 50K ayear, and I have to deal with the dregs of society and get into fights and such for that.

  Don't get me wrong, I enjoy what I do (where else can I carry a firearm, drive fast, and put bad guys in jail ), but it would be nice to do it because I want to not because I have to.  

[2tallbill]

I think it was Za Za Gabor who said "Darling, money can't buy happiness but poverty can't buy anything"
(I added the darling part)

There are many things a woman thinks about when selecting a husband, and to a point I am convinced that money has something to do with it. A woman wants to feel safe and secure. I have seen this debate elsewhere. I will find it and report back with a link.

Bill

Ok, here is the link

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=5084.msg87665#msg87665

[wxman]

I don't feel there is anything wrong with a women who seeks a man that makes a ton of money. Not any different than a old man who seeks a young good looking women.  As long as the other person knows that's the agenda, and that is what is important to them, then it is not for us to label them as gold digger or cradle robber. They may end up having a long and happy life together. How is it any different than a man who is looking for a woman who wants to have children? Or a woman who is looking for a man that will be a good father?  Everyone has a different perspective on what is attractive and desirable in a mate.

[Wayne B]

We seem to leave an impression on 'newbies' minds.....that if you do not make x amount of money.....then you are waisting your time in this endeavor....I for one am making less than $50,000 a year....and only two weeks of vacation per year....because to me...money is not that important....yes we have to eat have fun and travel.....all that being said.....I dont owe any finacial institution a penny... pay as I go....credit...no better score could be achieved.....fun can happen without money....yes, I agree very little fun without money......I am talking about the simple things in life....gardening together....nature together.....swimming in a cow pond together.....cooking together....fishing together....camping together....'no not a trailer or motor home'   walking down your street together for exercise 'why a gym'....please save me your rich man syndrom.....you will never live life with money.....just for fun.....camp one night under the overpass if you can make it through the night ...and if  money would have no other meaning...than that of a fast way to make a fire....  could you feed your family from the land....could you?   just a thought from a 'crazy' Texan.....

[TigerPaws]

May West said it best "I have been rich and I have been poor.... Rich is better."

TigerPaws

[Wayne B]

Tiger, as you stated before in an earlier post.....we have all.... but, what is going on in America....and unlike you....I don't have to pay for repairs to my 57 foot tri hull....I can do the repairs myself.....like a man.....

[catzenmouse]

We seem to leave an impression on 'newbies' minds.....that if you do not make x amount of money.....then you are waisting your time in this endeavor....I for one am making less than $50,000 a year....and only two weeks of vacation per year....because to me...money is not that important....yes we have to eat have fun and travel.....all that being said.....I dont owe any finacial institution a penny... pay as I go....credit...no better score could be achieved.....fun can happen without money....yes, I agree very little fun without money......I am talking about the simple things in life....gardening together....nature together.....swimming in a cow pond together.....cooking together....fishing together....camping together....'no not a trailer or motor home'   walking down your street together for exercise 'why a gym'....please save me your rich man syndrom.....you will never live life with money.....just for fun.....camp one night under the overpass if you can make it through the night ...and if  money would have no other meaning...than that of a fast way to make a fire....  could you feed your family from the land....could you?  just a thought from a 'crazy' Texan.....

Wayne,

 I like the way you think. I've always been much more interested in how I live my life than with how much I'm worth or what toys I can buy. Sure, money is important but only to a point. Beyond that point it is, IMO, more about showing how superior you are compared to the neighbor. To each their own. It has always been easy to tell who counts the dollar as worth more than their mate.

Ken

[TigerPaws]

Tiger, as you stated before in an earlier post.....we have all.... but, what is going on in America....and unlike you....I don't have to pay for repairs to my 57 foot tri hull....I can do the repairs myself.....like a man.....

Ok! So what dose that make you a better superior person?

TigerPaws

[catzenmouse]

Ok! So what dose that make you a better superior person?

TigerPaws

If it will make you feel better we'll all bow to your great superiority. Does that help?

In case you didn't notice (since the smiley face wasn't in 14 pt font) there was a little smiley face next to that. As in a joke.

Sheesh!

[MaxxumUSA]

Money ... you got lots of friends.

Not really Riv.

Around my parts most people are not that materialistic.  I don't (need to) buy friends...  as the people I hang out with cannot be bought anyway.  None of them ask me for a dime - save for us going out unexpectadly to save a trip to the ATM.  And the people who have asked me for money pay it back the next day when the bank opens.

Damn Max

How can I get a job like that?   :usdeyes: I'm just a civil servant making 50K ayear, and I have to deal with the dregs of society and get into fights and such for that.

  Don't get me wrong, I enjoy what I do (where else can I carry a firearm, drive fast, and put bad guys in jail ), but it would be nice to do it because I want to not because I have to.  

I started my company with an idea and two hours a night after my regular 8-6 job.  That turned into 4 hours a night very quickly.  Soon I had to quit my full timer because my income from my company produced 4 times my salary.

All I can say to anyone who wants to be successful is keep on trying different ideas - when you find one that works stick with it.

Another note:  I made a HUGE mistake!  I started in 1996 working for others with a goal to make $50k a year.  I acheived that goal fairly quickly - two years.  My next goal was to have an income of $250K per year.  I basically got laughed out of offices with this "unrealistic" goal.  I got significant raises however I knew I was making my boss a million a year.  I was willing to settle for 1/4 of that.  I left a six figure job because I knew I was not being treated fairly.  At the time it was the principal of the situation that mattered to me.  I was on my own for two years before I reached and exceeded my second goal - $250K/year or more.

Now...  you ask what my mistake was?  Why is that bad to make that kind of dough?  Very simple - I believe I set my sights TOO LOW.  My goal in the past two months have changed into a new, very much higher category.  I am NOT money hungry.  But earning money is something that I feel helps ME gauge my success.  It's not all about the material things...  it's how it makes me feel inside.

Realizing that these things are in everyone's grasp if they want it I have a calm about myself.  I know that if the right decisions are made, and a little bit of luck happens - then more success will come.

FWIW - I DO NOT associate high income with long ass hours at some dreadful office dealing with jerks.  I work between 4-8 hours a day - M-F only.  And I work from wherever I feel like working, including russia.  I dedicate most of my time to my son, family, and Elena.  If a potential client or customer seems to be trouble now or seems that they might be trouble down the road - I turn them away.  NO amount of money is worth my unhappiness.

And Wayne...

I totally agree.  I was just thinking an hour ago:  I cant' wait for Elena to be here so we can put on a backpack, head into the woods, and just enjoy a good hiking/camping trip.  Just walking and talking.  Enjoying the nature.  The "simple life."

[Wayne B]

Tiger, no, I am not superior to any one.....I am trying to say....that money is not everything...people can love one another without fame, fourtune and all of the 'Bull Shit' that money brings......People can love each other....no matter their financial situation.....but, if one is fortunate in sucsess of making money....don't rub it in the face of others......

[wxman]

Max,

I would say you are with the group of successful people who can think outside the box. It's takes a lot a guts and fortitude to think that way, when for all our lives we are told to draw within the lines. The successful ones seem to redraw or eliminate the boundaries. Look at all the successful major corporations. They stepped outside of the box years ago, and put the consumer first and actually listened to them. This was at a time when pleasing the consumer didn't mean anything. In every industry their are people that redraw the lines, and in the end their companies emerge out on top. Just look at the top 500 companies, and how many of them got there by ignoring the so called norm.  

[IAmZon]

Max, i just copied and sent your post to my mastermind group.  EXCELLENT.  AND I can tell it is truly sincere, and heartfelt.  We do not meet enough people like you.

And it seems that you live in God's country:)  and are not disappointed by people. 

Not me! I spend time in Miami, Tampa, New York.  I have some businesses that are in competitive industries  ( I am launching some new ones hopefully more relaxed).  BUT, I can actually FEEL when I go to work, my emotions get turned all the way down, I have developed a tough persona ... sharp teeth and claws (It really isn't me  ... but I can make the main character from Wall Street look like a pussy sometimes) ... and I have to admit that such a lack of sincerity at work, makes turning off/ on the human switch very difficult.

But, hey, chapters and phases!  At the rate I am going, I could just as easily be renting beach cabanas on the Black Sea in a year.  We will see.

[ScottinCrimea]

     I grew up in a family that was so poor my mother had to cut holes in my pockets to give me something to play with.  Through a lot of school and a lot of hard work I got to where I was earning deep into 5 figures and had it all in the eyes of many.  But it just didn't cut it for me, so I cashed it all in and moved to Ukraine.  I don't have a huge house, just a very comfortable apartment that is all paid for.  Much of the work we did ourselves and most of the work on our office building (also completely paid for) remodel we do ourselves.  There is a lot of satisfaction in that.  I've learned that when you live a simple life, it's the simple things in life that give you the most satisfaction.  It seems that those with too much money are always looking for something bigger and better to satisfy them, and they never seem to find it.  Maybe because I grew up without all of the luxuries it just feels more natural to me.
     My wife knew what I made when we were dating and she knew I would lose that income if I moved to Ukraine, but it didn't change her feelings for me at all.  It was our joint decision to do it based on the things that were the most important to us.  She didn't want a rich man, she just wanted a good man.  It sounds from what I am reading here that she is the exception.

[KenC]

We seem to leave an impression on 'newbies' minds.....that if you do not make x amount of money.....then you are waisting your time in this endeavor....

Wayne,
If you think that I was saying this you are mistaken.  The point was "made" that too much money only attracts bad women.  I don't agree with this.  I think "too much money" can attract bad women, but also that "too much money" is a relative term.  At $50K/year, you can be judged to have "too much money" for a good fsu woman.  My argument was that people with money usually have developed a sense of knowing when they are about to be used more so than the average Joe.  An average Joe may suddenly feel like a high roller in the fsu and not be experienced enough with this position to be able to identify when he is being used.

There is no one answer as to how money changes people.  Some handle it well. others not so well.  It is all very individual.  I had the good fortune to make some seriously big money in the late 80's/early 90's.  I had always made very good money, but my income spiked ridiculously during this period.  I don't think it changed me one bit.  I treated everyone just as I had before.  But the money had a huge effect on my American wife of almost 20 years.  She became too good for neighbors, relatives and eventually even me!

Like Maxxum said up thread, my ability to provide a good lifestyle is part of who I am, just as my wife's beauty is part of who she is too.  Is wealth or beauty the only criteria?  Of course not.  The important thing is to match up well with your chosen partner.  Call it class or social ability but it is important for me to have a partner that fits into my world and Lena does that perfectly.  I had dated women twice her age that couldn't fit into my world.

BTW, it is Tigerpaws that has been married for 7 years.  We will celebrate our 8th year next month.  And I met Lena face to face in Russia.
KenC

[KenC]

Scott,
Just out of curiousity, how much is "too much money?"
KenC

[TigerPaws]

KenC,

We met in the Bahamas for the first time and I remember it like it was yesterday, hopefully that moment will be with me for as long as I live.

As for how much money is enough? I would like to hear an answer to that as well, anyone wish to try?

TigerPaws

[wxman]

What's considered enough money? Just a little bit more.
Will Rogers

If you can count your money, you don't have a billion dollars.
J. Paul Getty

A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.
Everett Dirksen

If you owe the bank $100, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that's the bank's problem.
J. Paul Getty

[ScottinCrimea]

"too much money" is a relative term.  It all depends on what you do with it.  For some, $10 is more than they can handle.