What site you use to find?

[Thor]

Jack,

Yes I belive that to stay in 1 city is a god idea. If you find the bride depends on a lot of things of course, but to vaist time on travel around is not a good idea. Most men have a limited of time to spend in FSU, so then why use the time to travel?????

Besides this if you stay in 1 city you will learn where the good reaturangs, cafes, nightclubs and so on are....

If you are a tourist then travel around .

Chorosho Jack ?

[orlando]

yes, you are right, i think too that one city is the best choice and its  more easy when you live on europe and i live far far away...

[Jack]

No Thor, I just don't agree. It reminds me of the old days when I guy would say he's going to Moscow to find a Russian bride. I would say "Just Moscow".  Yea, just Moscow.  And I would ask him what about the beautiful ladies from St. Petersburg that he had early interest in, or the ladies from Tver, or Volgograd, your going to forget those ladies that you might have interest in and your only going to find a wife from Moscow?  Of all of Russia, and all of Ukraine, your going to limit your search for a Russian bride to a single city?

I just don't agree Thor.

I think guys should NEVER go to one city to see just one woman. Of course others will disagree and that is fine, all men are different. But for me if there is one woman who has really got my attention, then I need to work hard to find another 3-4 beautiful ladies who interest me also so I can see more than one lady.  And I need to meet all four or five of these ladies in the first two days. Meet three the first day, the other two the second day. Chances are I might have interest in one of these ladies. Talk about a waste of time Thor, imagine spending one day with each of these women when your in this city for a total of 6 days. With four of these ladies you know in the first hour she wasn't for you. But as you committed the whole day to her, you spend the rest of the day with her. And this happened four times. Two of the ladies were not interested in you, two of the other ladies you were not interested in. Talk about a waste of valuable time.

"IF" we are seeing several ladies 85% of the time the first meeting we have with a woman is also the last one we have.  Of course if we made a trip to Russia to see only one woman this is not going to be the case, even though there is a great chance we won't have the chemistry needed to marry this woman.  Were going to see her for the entire trip, or at least several days even when we knew after the first hour it wasn't going to work.  Talk about a wasted trip.  

On the other hand when I am able to meet several ladies I spend two hours with each of the ladies in the first two days. I see it's obvious I am not interested in a couple ladies. I have real interest in two, but one of these tell's me I'm not her type. Now with the four remaining days I have, I spend with this one lady.  And if by some chance I don't have chemistry with any of these five ladies, now I go to my back-up plans.

You talk about wasting time to travel is not a good idea.  Thor, don't we all have to sleep?  And the answer is yes.  How am I wasting time if I am in Kiev for 4-5 days meeting ladies and I want to also meet ladies in Kharkov, and I leave Kiev at 10:20pm, get to Kharkov at 7:30am the following morning and check into the Hotel Mir or a flat in the center.  I had to sleep at night, why not sleep on the train AND save the expense of a nights flat or hotel room.   I want to also meet ladies from Zaporozhye, but I don't want to waste time traveling.  So at night as I would be about to go to sleep, instead I take the first-class overnight sleeper train to Zaporozhye.  I have to sleep at night anyway, why not sleep from Kharkov to Zaporozhye, NO wasted time.  I was staying in the Hotel Mir in Kharkov, now I'll stay in the Intourist Hotel in Zaporozhye.

Your right in that time is one commodity that most men do not have enough of and as such our time needs to be managed efficiently.  But Thor, it's quite easy to manage one's time efficiently.

But to recommend for these guys to limit there search for a Russian bride to a single city, "my future bride is going to come to Kherson, yes, I see four women I would like to marry from Kherson, so I'm only going to Kherson, this is the only city my future bride will come from.  Forget that Nikolaev is 45 minutes away.  Forget that Odessa is 3 hours away.  I'm limiting my search to a bride to one city.  Uhh-hhhh Thor, nope, no way. Not a good idea at all in my opinion.

[Kuna]

No Thor, I just don't agree. It reminds me of the old days when I guy would say he's going to Moscow to find a Russian bride. I would say "Just Moscow".  Yea, just Moscow.  And I would ask him what about the beautiful ladies from St. Petersburg that he had early interest in, or the ladies from Tver, or Volgograd, your going to forget those ladies that you might have interest in and your only going to find a wife from Moscow?  Of all of Russia, and all of Ukraine, your going to limit your search for a Russian bride to a single city?

I just don't agree Thor.

I think guys should NEVER go to one city to see just one woman. Of course others will disagree and that is fine, all men are different. But for me if there is one woman who has really got my attention, then I need to work hard to find another 3-4 beautiful ladies who interest me also so I can see more than one lady.  And I need to meet all four or five of these ladies in the first two days. Meet three the first day, the other two the second day. Chances are I might have interest in one of these ladies. Talk about a waste of time Thor, imagine spending one day with each of these women when your in this city for a total of 6 days. With four of these ladies you know in the first hour she wasn't for you. But as you committed the whole day to her, you spend the rest of the day with her. And this happened four times. Two of the ladies were not interested in you, two of the other ladies you were not interested in. Talk about a waste of valuable time.

"IF" we are seeing several ladies 85% of the time the first meeting we have with a woman is also the last one we have.  Of course if we made a trip to Russia to see only one woman this is not going to be the case, even though there is a great chance we won't have the chemistry needed to marry this woman.  Were going to see her for the entire trip, or at least several days even when we knew after the first hour it wasn't going to work.  Talk about a wasted trip.  

On the other hand when I am able to meet several ladies I spend two hours with each of the ladies in the first two days. I see it's obvious I am not interested in a couple ladies. I have real interest in two, but one of these tell's me I'm not her type. Now with the four remaining days I have, I spend with this one lady.  And if by some chance I don't have chemistry with any of these five ladies, now I go to my back-up plans.

You talk about wasting time to travel is not a good idea.  Thor, don't we all have to sleep?  And the answer is yes.  How am I wasting time if I am in Kiev for 4-5 days meeting ladies and I want to also meet ladies in Kharkov, and I leave Kiev at 10:20pm, get to Kharkov at 7:30am the following morning and check into the Hotel Mir or a flat in the center.  I had to sleep at night, why not sleep on the train AND save the expense of a nights flat or hotel room.   I want to also meet ladies from Zaporozhye, but I don't want to waste time traveling.  So at night as I would be about to go to sleep, instead I take the first-class overnight sleeper train to Zaporozhye.  I have to sleep at night anyway, why not sleep from Kharkov to Zaporozhye, NO wasted time.  I was staying in the Hotel Mir in Kharkov, now I'll stay in the Intourist Hotel in Zaporozhye.

Your right in that time is one commodity that most men do not have enough of and as such our time needs to be managed efficiently.  But Thor, it's quite easy to manage one's time efficiently.

But to recommend for these guys to limit there search for a Russian bride to a single city, "my future bride is going to come to Kherson, yes, I see four women I would like to marry from Kherson, so I'm only going to Kherson, this is the only city my future bride will come from.  Forget that Nikolaev is 45 minutes away.  Forget that Odessa is 3 hours away.  I'm limiting my search to a bride to one city.  Uhh-hhhh Thor, nope, no way. Not a good idea at all in my opinion.

Good post Jack,

One concern I had with visiting NE city on my first trip was the risk in not finding the right girl "right here - right now"...  What if there was a great girl on the same dating site but she lived in a city a few hours way???

This is where I think writing and qualifying before travel gives a benefit of insight before peope meet...

The WOVO WMVM debate will never end but I just hope some people can get some value ut of letter writing BEFORE they meet otherwise 3 letters and a coffee is pretty much a lucky dip (IMHO).

Of course, letter writing should be kept unemotional to avoid the pitfalls of "love at first letter"...  but a man keeping his imagination and emotions under control is his own responsibility...

Kuna

[joe rockhead]

This is a pretty good thread... lots of really great ideas presented.... but if your going to travel that much, and you want to include most cities in your search why not learn the language and pack up and move there for 3 or 6 months or a year?  I'm seriously thinking that this may be the way to do it.

[catzenmouse]

Joe,

 Why not do both at once? There are plenty of month, three month, six month language courses in Russia. You will learn the language and live among the locals. All kinds of possibilities could happen during that time.

Ken

[DKMM]

Thor has a point though.  You can't even meet every great girl in one city, let alone several cities in one trip.  But I preferred the multi city method where you do a little circuit and spend a few days in each city.

The point is, you can succeed going to one city with a good plan, much like many men here have done or you can go many places like others.  Whether you succeed or fail has to do with many more important factors than where you go (as long as you are going to a good city in the 1st place).

One city might be a bit easier for a 1st timer trip since its supposed to be an orientation trip anyway right guys?

[BillyB]

Thank's for all tips, i will try bride.ru, anyone have good experience with aprettywoman.com?

Here's what I found off of bride.ru
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1303.0



I used aprettywoman affiliate mydearwoman. aprettywoman has many offshoots of their site such as one called aliendating.com The girls are the same but you get a better deal at an affiliate site. There are too many hot looking women there and I suspect they buy older profiles from other agencies but at least almost every girl has e-mail.

[catzenmouse]

I've seen tons of "I used this place and it was (okay, fine, sleazy, etc.)" but what I don't understand is that we have right here on RWD two (maybe three) members who have been many times classified by the membership as really honest.

Why don't people point to them?

We hear constantly about Elena's site. And yes, many folks have found good luck there but in the end it is just a warehouse type of site listing women from all over the place. No different from fiance.com. They do not meet and know the girls. They cannot guarantee that they are really focused on finding the perfect man to spend their life with. Sure they have great advertising and hot looking women but if you want to take the extra step (if you are going to use an agency) why not clue into the knowledge of the membership here?

Ken

[jb]

Ken,

Because many of these guys are just double stupid.

Why isn't Lily being just covered up with guys chasing her?   Because they can't see the forest for the trees.  Double dumb, IMHO.

[catzenmouse]

JB,

 Sadly enough I agree with you. Lily is the perfect example of what we are all looking for. I didn't post to your thoughts about if you were single regarding her but I totally agree with them.

 If Lily does not have dozens of guys chasing her then that just shows how stupid they are!

 Ken

[joe rockhead]

Ken,

Because many of these guys are just double stupid.

Why isn't Lily being just covered up with guys chasing her?   Because they can't see the forest for the trees.  Double dumb, IMHO.

Because the big moderator stamp above her photo can be interpreted as off limits.  Yes, I know it says "moderator" not "out of bounds", but I think it is somewhat of a psychological boundary.

[joe rockhead]

Sure they have great advertising and hot looking women but if you want to take the extra step (if you are going to use an agency) why not clue into the knowledge of the membership here?

Ken

I totally agree about the knowledge of the membership here, but sifting throught the older threads is time comsuming and you gotta sift through a lot of banter to get what you want.  Sometimes its asking the right question and having the right person respond to the question.

Joe

[catzenmouse]

Joe,

 Unless you ask you will never really know will you? Same as in your home town. That pretty girl at the checkout counter. Do you shy away from asking her on a date?

Just a thought
 Ken

[catzenmouse]

Sure is a lot of work to go through the older posts and glean the gems.

This is one simple way of showing that you have the fortitude, the drive, and the patience to go further with this adventure.

Patience and the stick to it until you can't go on but will keep going on is what it really takes.

I used to think I was a patient man. I was totally unprepared for the patience that I needed to do this. Every day I learned new levels of it until I found out that there was no high end limit. I just had to keep doing it and keep dealing with it until the time when she found her place here.

This is a long, hard, mind ripping (at times) process. What I found was worth all this and much, much more! I can't even begin to say how special our relationship is. How much my life is enriched by it, how much better I am because of it. No words will ever come close. But you better know from the start that your life will be turned upside down, sideways, and back again before you get to that point.

Scared yet? No? You will be....

Ken

I totally agree about the knowledge of the membership here, but sifting throught the older threads is time comsuming and you gotta sift through a lot of banter to get what you want.  Sometimes its asking the right question and having the right person respond to the question.

Joe

[Lily]

JB,

 Sadly enough I agree with you. Lily is the perfect example of what we are all looking for. I didn't post to your thoughts about if you were single regarding her but I totally agree with them.

 If Lily does not have dozens of guys chasing her then that just shows how stupid they are!

 Ken

Ken, they are not stupid, at least those who inserted their own photo in the avatar and have a link on their personal pages in profiles.

Guys never chased me, especially in real life. Here I am a moderator, in real life I used to be this and that and always 'out of reach' as it were. 

Let's go back to the sites to search. Supposendly men and women are in different positions concerning the online search. To me it looks like we women are at a definite advantage as we don't face scammers, we have more male profiles to choose from, and we are mostly appreciated upon having done the first step.

Another difference would be the Russian and international matchmaking sites. For men, Russian sites make sense as they show women who are makrketing themselves to the Western men. For women, provided they are fluent in language, the international sites would be more advantageous.

By the way, yesterday I searched on hotornot.com. It allows posting photos, a little profile, and contacting the others. The site positions itself as a site for people who believe that their look is as asset  therefore I guess one might want to have a look..

[catzenmouse]

Lily,

 I guess what I was really referring to is the great thoughts you have put into your posts here. How they show what a wonderful and well rounded person you are and it does not hurt that you are a beautiful woman.

 No matter what the guys her put in their profile or pic, I think that you are the very cream of the crop (I hope you understand that as a compliment) and that any man who would have you as a partner would be a very lucky man!

Ken

[GregfromGa]

JB,

 Sadly enough I agree with you. Lily is the perfect example of what we are all looking for. I didn't post to your thoughts about if you were single regarding her but I totally agree with them.

 If Lily does not have dozens of guys chasing her then that just shows how stupid they are!

 Ken

   I remember when Lily first started posting here. There was debate as to whether she was real,was a man,was a troll or was a lot of things. For the record let it be noted that I never doubted. LOL. I also think I remember saying something along the lines as to if you are single and you are not at least attempting to get on her good side then you really need to seriously consider going to work for the other side because there is absolutely no hope for you and you are a disgrace to the forum and every other single man that is looking or has ever looked for a woman using this process. Her smiling picture alone would almost warrant packing,getting on a plane and heading off to some far off land without knowing if she was real or not and I know thats in the so called tablets of stone or wherever. Like I've said,if I wasnt married she wouldve probably already filed stalking charges on me.LOL

[Lily]

   Her smiling picture alone would almost warrant packing,getting on a plane and heading off to some far off land without knowing if she was real or not and I know thats in the so called tablets of stone or wherever. 

Greg, nice to see you here again! 

But see, a smiling picture alone may be a scam alert one should not fall in love with a picture..

[Thor]

No Thor, I just don't agree. It reminds me of the old days when I guy would say he's going to Moscow to find a Russian bride. I would say "Just Moscow".  Yea, just Moscow.  And I would ask him what about the beautiful ladies from St. Petersburg that he had early interest in, or the ladies from Tver, or Volgograd, your going to forget those ladies that you might have interest in and your only going to find a wife from Moscow?  Of all of Russia, and all of Ukraine, your going to limit your search for a Russian bride to a single city?

I just don't agree Thor.

I think guys should NEVER go to one city to see just one woman. Of course others will disagree and that is fine, all men are different. But for me if there is one woman who has really got my attention, then I need to work hard to find another 3-4 beautiful ladies who interest me also so I can see more than one lady.  And I need to meet all four or five of these ladies in the first two days. Meet three the first day, the other two the second day. Chances are I might have interest in one of these ladies. Talk about a waste of time Thor, imagine spending one day with each of these women when your in this city for a total of 6 days. With four of these ladies you know in the first hour she wasn't for you. But as you committed the whole day to her, you spend the rest of the day with her. And this happened four times. Two of the ladies were not interested in you, two of the other ladies you were not interested in. Talk about a waste of valuable time.

"IF" we are seeing several ladies 85% of the time the first meeting we have with a woman is also the last one we have.  Of course if we made a trip to Russia to see only one woman this is not going to be the case, even though there is a great chance we won't have the chemistry needed to marry this woman.  Were going to see her for the entire trip, or at least several days even when we knew after the first hour it wasn't going to work.  Talk about a wasted trip.  

On the other hand when I am able to meet several ladies I spend two hours with each of the ladies in the first two days. I see it's obvious I am not interested in a couple ladies. I have real interest in two, but one of these tell's me I'm not her type. Now with the four remaining days I have, I spend with this one lady.  And if by some chance I don't have chemistry with any of these five ladies, now I go to my back-up plans.

You talk about wasting time to travel is not a good idea.  Thor, don't we all have to sleep?  And the answer is yes.  How am I wasting time if I am in Kiev for 4-5 days meeting ladies and I want to also meet ladies in Kharkov, and I leave Kiev at 10:20pm, get to Kharkov at 7:30am the following morning and check into the Hotel Mir or a flat in the center.  I had to sleep at night, why not sleep on the train AND save the expense of a nights flat or hotel room.   I want to also meet ladies from Zaporozhye, but I don't want to waste time traveling.  So at night as I would be about to go to sleep, instead I take the first-class overnight sleeper train to Zaporozhye.  I have to sleep at night anyway, why not sleep from Kharkov to Zaporozhye, NO wasted time.  I was staying in the Hotel Mir in Kharkov, now I'll stay in the Intourist Hotel in Zaporozhye.

Your right in that time is one commodity that most men do not have enough of and as such our time needs to be managed efficiently.  But Thor, it's quite easy to manage one's time efficiently.

But to recommend for these guys to limit there search for a Russian bride to a single city, "my future bride is going to come to Kherson, yes, I see four women I would like to marry from Kherson, so I'm only going to Kherson, this is the only city my future bride will come from.  Forget that Nikolaev is 45 minutes away.  Forget that Odessa is 3 hours away.  I'm limiting my search to a bride to one city.  Uhh-hhhh Thor, nope, no way. Not a good idea at all in my opinion.

Sorry Jack but I don't agree with you here.

Yes you can travel by night, BUT travel takes a lot of effort and for a newbie in Ukraine even buy a ticket to the train could be difficult...Better stay in 1 city than be confussed by travel around in this big country (s). Why go and meet 4-5 girls in Dnieper if you stay in Kharkov?? There lives 1.5-2 mil in a city like Kharkov. You don't need to run to a neigbourhr city then. There are more than enough girls in this city. This goes also for Kiev and other big city's in Ukraine. How can you established a relationship if you stay 3-4 days in 1 city and then goes to the next one??????????? That don't make sense at all.

For a newbie it would be much better stay in 1 place. Learn to know this city. Decide how you want to find your girl, is it is by using agency's so learn the agency's in this city, is it by newspapers ads so will you be busy for several weeks, is by other ways so try that too.

I believe that travel around makes it very difficult to establishe a relashionship with 1 girl. Besides this so do I know how this girls thinks, if you meet a girl you like and then head of to a new city so will she understand why you go to a new city, this girls are not stupid at ALL!!!

Besides this so does travel cost a lot of money, and the accommodation too. BUT, if you stay in city so can you get a good deal if you rent a apartment for 1 month....Please try not to stay in the hotels, they are very expensive and the girls don't like to visit you in the hotels because they are afraid that other peoples think they are prostitutes if they go to the hotel with you...

Sorry Jack, travel around makes not sense at all. If you want to see the country so travel from city to city, BUT if you are serious to find a bride then stay in 1 city. If you cant find girls if you stay in 1 of this big city's so would I say that you have chosen the wrong way to find girls .  Hello, In Kiev lives 4 mil, in Kharkov 1,5-2 mil, in St Pet 4 mil, in Moscow 8 mil. Why go to several another city's??? Makes not sense at all.

[Hub]

I agree with almost everything Jack says, however this is one case in which I will side with Thor.  Provided you pick one of the large cities, there are more than enough women there to keep you busy for a month or so.  And it is much more efficient use of time to eliminate the travel time.

Yes, I understand the idea that there are other desireable women in the next town; but there are desireable women in almost every city of the world.  So if one keeps thinking about what might be in the next city, then you will be like a dog chasing its tail.

[TigerPaws]

I am going to have to reluctantly agree with Thor a man could find sucess in one of the larger cities given enough time but that may not be the case if a man is using the services of a qulaith agency as the available girls could be from many areas. Still it is possible again if he had enough time.

TigerPaws

[Thor]

Privet Tigerpaws,

If the guy is clever so will he try to avoid the agency's and use other ways to find the girl(s) . Yes some agency's have listed girls from different city's, I guess this is because thesometimes steal or buys profiles from other agency's. A good agency in a big city should have only girls from this city. If I where very rich and where looking for a very hot looking girl so would agency's be a good idea. This because some agency's have some really hot girls and some of this girls are ONLY interested in marring RICH men, ONLY rich men. They know their value anduse their appearance to find men with a lot of money, thats for shure.

If you want to find this hot girls in Ukraine and are in your 40-50 s, then you have to be rich and you have to spend a lot of money on this girls. I have meet several nice men here in Ukraine, men in 40-50 s who wants to find young beautiful girls in early 20 s. But this has been middles class guys who have no intension of spending a lot of money on gifts, travel on so on for this girls. Then it is mission impossible to "catch" this girls. They will often very fast ask for a dress or a purse and if you say no, so will it be do svidanya very fast. This girls are spoiled by Ukrainian men, and expect that you spoil them to. When so don't happen so no chance.

many men should not aim so high, better sometimes look in the mirror and see what you see, and maybe look for less beautiful girls . If not some of this gentelmen will come back year after year chasing the hot brides.

Finding normal looking girls here in Ukraine is easy, but finding the hot ones is HARD. You must flash the cash, or be rich or have a good look to be successful then.

But remember there are a lot of ways to meet girls in FSU. Agency's, newspapers ads, private helpers and so on. Choose the best way for you, BUT if you have been in FSU country's time after time and have been using agency's so PLEASE consider ex newspapers ads. It is a very good way to meet honest girls.

[Simoni]

If you want to see the country so travel from city to city, BUT if you are serious to find a bride then stay in 1 city.

Bravo, Thor.  You nailed it.

Here in Dnepr, there are THOUSANDS of beautiful single girls, looking for a man.  Stay in one city and concentrate on meeting the right person, and then being there to get to know her.

[I/O]

Having done my share of "Roo Shooting" years back in the bush (Rural Aus), we always worked on the principal of "Shoot one paddock (Field) out" before moving on to the next. From the start, I have been pretty much of the same mind with this and although I've done the city to city routine, IMO for the freshman, one or perhaps two city's first up is probably quite enough.

Most guys have a couple of weeks at any one time and spending much of that time travelling is not overly productive. When mine and I were first communicating, I pretty much jumped to the head of the pack simply because I had been in her area and knew what she was talking about.  (Just one little advantage of working the same location).

I don't get Jack's comment about "Only Moscow?".  13 million people. Hmmmm probably 50 000 eligible women? How many do you want?  OTH my fiance' lives in Omsk. A comfortable, clean, relatively modern city which is easy to move around. 1.2 Million people and simply being in the street in the central area, one could meet probably 10 classy, educated, (Some English) eligible women daily for a week without even searching.  How many does one man want?

I understand that from a "Tour Hosts" point of view my perspective ain't good for business, but for the lone wolf such as I am, research one spot, go there, get comfortable and work it over completely before considering other locations is a simple program that anyone can follow.

I/O