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[Lily]

I need your advice. I studied in the USA for a year. I got acquainted with an American man, who is 60 now. My age is 20. He offered me to marry him. I had to come back home to graduate from University. As soon as I do that, we shall marry. The matter is I am not going to stay with him, as I have a young boy friend overthere too. I know you will understand me. What is in common between old age and youth?
How long should I stay with that old man to become legal overthere? Shall I have any rights if my old “husband” proves my betrayals? You may ask why I need to marry that old man? He is the only way how I could escape to America to my boy friend, who is a student too, that is why he can not pay for my tickets and our marriage.

Baby, go get advice from a U.S. immigration and family attorney. They are competent about your concerns, not this board.

[BC]

Baby, go get advice from a U.S. immigration and family attorney. They are competent about your concerns, not this board.

Lily,

Attorneys help you after the law has been broken, they won't help you break them.. that's a realm reserved for politicians.

[Lily]

Lily,

Attorneys help you after the law has been broken, they won't help you break them.. that's a realm reserved for politicians.

I don't agree that attorneys only help afterwards. btw do you really think I'd agree with that? 

I mean receiving legal advice, and the US attorneys should perfectly be able to do that. Before putting themselves in any big endeavours, everyone should be advised as extensively as possible.

Baby asks how long should she stay with her husband to become legal in the US, and whether she would have any rights if her husband finds out that she cheats on him. Those are the very legal issues. Lawyers should explain.

I don't see any crime in wanting an answer to the above questions. Of note, I am not touching the Baby's evil intentions at the moment.

[I/O]

I know many will say age is not important at all

The thread is barely worth posting in so I'll confine my comments to the above remark.

Jazz: You know, I don't think that is entirely correct.  I think most decent guys here acknowledge there is issues with age differences. Some very unique issues in fact.  Probably a lot of the issues you have raised among others.

I tend to think those of us in an age gap relationship will tend to defend our position, but I haven't seen anyone worth listening to here say that an age gap relationship is a great idea. Most simply explain how they have or have tried to overcome the issues.  Nevertheless, I think most freely admit there is issues and it is not generally the recommended path.

I/O

[Mir]

I tend to think those of us in an age gap relationship will tend to defend our position, but I haven't seen anyone worth listening to here say that an age gap relationship is a great idea.

And who decides who is worth listing to and who isn't ?

[Blues Fairy]

The matter is I am not going to stay with him, as I have a young boy friend overthere too. I know you will understand me. What is in common between old age and youth?

Baby you are so charmingly naive that I doubt you'll manage to keep a poker face at the interview, whether in embassy or in the US while adjusting status.  And that's one skill absolutely necessary in the game you're about to play. 

[Rvrwind]

You *may* be correct - but at last count, there are 2 pages of posts - and I don't see a single one of them supporting this sort of behavior.

Only because they haven't seen her picture Dan. Come on, if she is hot some of these guys will do an about face faster than you can say lickitey split!!! Sensuality & Deeva both proved a pretty face & a hot body is all you need to win the masses of men, no matter what your crime. They both should have been crucified & yet they were vilified!! The current lady in question is trash & should be shot & pi$$ed on & not necessarily in that order! She admits to being a GCG , which, if she follows through, makes her a criminal, Period!
I hope she gets crucified for her actions should she decide to go through with this plan. Gotta be some cold hearted bytch ( if she is real & not a troll) to even consider using his old dewd. The fact that he is an idiot says much, but still this is a criminal act & should be treated as such.
Where's Corbett when I need him???
POLITSYA!!! POLITSYA!!!!

[BC]

I don't agree that attorneys only help afterwards. btw do you really think I'd agree with that? 

Lily,

My remarks was a bit 'tongue in cheek'.. guess I should have added a smiley. 

As far as such information goes, ironically, a ton of information is provided on several anti-IMBRA sites and fora.  The US Government was also supposed to publish a guide detailing such rights.. haven't seen it though (wonder why) but would be interested in reviewing a copy.

[Kuna]

Only because they haven't seen her picture Dan. Come on, if she is hot some of these guys will do an about face faster than you can say lickitey split!!! Sensuality & Deeva both proved a pretty face & a hot body is all you need to win the masses of men, no matter what your crime. They both should have been crucified & yet they were vilified!! The current lady in question is trash & should be shot & pi$$ed on & not necessarily in that order! She admits to being a GCG , which, if she follows through, makes her a criminal, Period!
I hope she gets crucified for her actions should she decide to go through with this plan. Gotta be some cold hearted bytch ( if she is real & not a troll) to even consider using his old dewd. The fact that he is an idiot says much, but still this is a criminal act & should be treated as such.
Where's Corbett when I need him???
POLITSYA!!! POLITSYA!!!!

You're so crass I love it!   

[Maxx2]

Thanks Rvrwind, Really what I am hoping is my statement and yours will stop this shamefull behaviour before it happens.



Maxx

[ecr844]

I happen to know some high level BCIS people and I am working with some of them on a detail in the near future...So hey "Baby," Please hurry with the info. I requested! I am sure they will be happy to assist you in this process.

Best wishes for a good view in the federal pen.

[Rvrwind]

You're so crass I love it!

I just calls them the way I sees 'em!
Being PC isn't in my vocabulary!

[Admin]

Only because they haven't seen her picture Dan. Come on, if she is hot some of these guys will do an about face faster than you can say lickitey split!!! Sensuality & Deeva both proved a pretty face & a hot body is all you need to win the masses of men, no matter what your crime. They both should have been crucified & yet they were vilified!! The current lady in question is trash & should be shot & pi$$ed on & not necessarily in that order! She admits to being a GCG , which, if she follows through, makes her a criminal, Period!
I hope she gets crucified for her actions should she decide to go through with this plan. Gotta be some cold hearted bytch ( if she is real & not a troll) to even consider using his old dewd. The fact that he is an idiot says much, but still this is a criminal act & should be treated as such.
Where's Corbett when I need him???
POLITSYA!!! POLITSYA!!!!

Richard,

You are not exactly an objective third-party - owing to your history with Natasha and some of the ... shall we say 'tensions' ... between your company and hers.

As for Sensuality - I remain unconvinced of any wrongdoing on her part based on what she posted here at RWD. To the best of my knowledge, she remains 'in the market' and may still be looking for a suitor.

BTW - your comment that; "They both should have been crucified & yet they were vilified!!" is sort of confusing. "Crucified" and "vilified" - while somewhat different in practical terms, are both indicative of being rejected. Yes, rejected by some - but embraced by others. I also do not agree that they should have been either one - certainly not just for joining RWD. So long as their behavior here is within the ToS, they are welcome to join and participate. Education comes from some surprising corners, at times.

Now - back to "baby." It sure sounds dubious, at best, as outlined here. It also could easily be a troll. So far, I have decided to leave this 'up' so that members can see, and participate in, a topic which has some VERY unusual underpinnings. I feel far more faith in the integrity of the vast majority of our members here, than to believe they would assist, in any way, with the sort of sham arrangement being considered in the original post.

Just a few thoughts - FWIW.

- Dan

[Rvrwind]

Yes, rejected by some - but embraced by others. I also do not agree that they should have been either one - certainly not just for joining RWD.

I agree in so far as

- certainly not just for joining RWD

but for her business practises she most certainly got treated much better than others of her ilk because she had a pretty face & a hot bod & guys still use her service & I still get emails about how they have been had.
Sensuality, well I should have left her out of this as I am on the fence with that one.
It has nothing to do with my being a competing business either Dan, it has to do with right & wrong & truth & lies & thats it. I welcome the competition, I relish it, its the competition that doesn't welcome me, why?
Because we are better & they know it & I know it & it scares the hell out of them!!! Why do you think I am never challenged by any of them & the ones that have had to fabricate stories & lies & drag my personal life out into the public theater to build a paper castle.
No, Dan, its about honesty & dishonesty, period, nothing more & nothing less!! Just as it is for the OP of this thread. She is dishonest, period & should be dealt with in accordance to the law.
But like Elena Bobbit she can flash a smile & a little skin & many will forgive & forget. If it was a man pulling this stunt on a woman he would be crucified or had it been Yaroslav instead of Natasha he would have been crucified!!! See the double standard there Dan? I do... & I know others do too but are too chicken sh*t to say so.
And Yes, I realize that nobody has encouraged 'Baby' other than Jack & ecr844 but both were done "tongue in cheek & not serious", but like I said, they haven't seen her flashy smile & hot bod yet. Wait for it, if it comes, I promise you there will most assuredly be a few who will trade camps, subtly, but they will change camps, I've seen it before.

[Admin]

I agree in so far as  but for her business practises she most certainly got treated much better than others of her ilk because she had a pretty face & a hot bod & guys still use her service & I still get emails about how they have been had.
Sensuality, well I should have left her out of this as I am on the fence with that one.
It has nothing to do with my being a competing business either Dan, it has to do with right & wrong & truth & lies & thats it. I welcome the competition, I relish it, its the competition that doesn't welcome me, why?
Because we are better & they know it & I know it & it scares the hell out of them!!! Why do you think I am never challenged by any of them & the ones that have had to fabricate stories & lies & drag my personal life out into the public theater to build a paper castle.
No, Dan, its about honesty & dishonesty, period, nothing more & nothing less!! Just as it is for the OP of this thread. She is dishonest, period & should be dealt with in accordance to the law.
But like Elena Bobbit she can flash a smile & a little skin & many will forgive & forget. If it was a man pulling this stunt on a woman he would be crucified or had it been Yaroslav instead of Natasha he would have been crucified!!! See the double standard there Dan? I do... & I know others do too but are too chicken sh*t to say so.
And Yes, I realize that nobody has encouraged 'Baby' other than Jack & ecr844 but both were done "tongue in cheek & not serious", but like I said, they haven't seen her flashy smile & hot bod yet. Wait for it, if it comes, I promise you there will most assuredly be a few who will trade camps, subtly, but they will change camps, I've seen it before.

Richard,

We agree, in principle, far more than we disagree.

Having said that ... you have a unique insight into what transpires at some agencies because you receive your share of disgruntled customers from those other agencies. Jack has the same thing - as does Kevin Hayes - and others.

HOWEVER - and it seems no matter how often I write this - you guys DO NOT GET IT! To remain credible yourselves - YOU CANNOT go around bashing other agencies, even when you BELIEVE you are fully in-the-right. Why? Simple, really. Because you have competing profit motive, your 'agenda' will ALWAYS be questioned - no matter how correct you are.

Richard, you use words like "truth" and "honesty". WHEN will it get across that this is a discussion forum and it is nearly impossible for folks to discern REAL "truth" and "honesty" from what is written here. We are not a court of law. We have no police or investigative authority. We cannot vett the information coming from multiple sources effectively to arrive at the REAL "truth". All we can do is provide a forum for open exchange of information, and allow each member to determine for themselves what is "truth" and what is not - and no matter how loudly you scream, or how vociferous your posts - that simple "truth" will never disappear.

I don't mean to 'come down on you' - please don't interpret it that way. I am merely trying to keep things in perspective. While you claim Natasha Deeva and her agency is bad - I seem to recall in the Daknack TR that he had a good experience. Maybe I am misremembering.

Until we can get some momentum into the CMA initiative, RWD - as a discussion forum - has little real ability to get to the bottom of some of those claims.

For anyone REALLY interested in this - feel free to start promoting the CMA initiative. Tell any agency you work with about it. Better - tell them you will not conduct business with them until they are registered.

Back to "baby" - like I wrote earlier, I do not believe that the majority of our members would condone or support her sham activities. With a membership growing as quickly as ours is - there are sure to be some who might not know any better - but if they are reading these responses, they should know better than to promote this kind of behavior.

- Dan

[ecr844]

Let's see.....

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"Baby," and her younger broke 'college beau' are involved in a conspiracy to AT LEAST COMMIT VISA FRAUD, additionally there are other possibilities of falsifying crimes, domestic violence charges and finacial gain via a divorce, etc...ad nauseaum. Well it seems that the US State Dept takes this very seriously. Lets see what thye say shall we?

Investigating Passport and Visa Fraud

The DS Criminal Investigative Division conducts criminal investigations into violations of passport and visa fraud. These federal felonies are often committed in connection with more serious crimes, such as international terrorism, narcotics trafficking, organized crime, alien smuggling, money laundering, pedophilia, and murder. These investigations are critical to the President's efforts to secure American borders and protect the national security of the United States.

 

 The U.S. passport is the most valuable identity document in the world as it establishes American citizenship and allows its bearer unlimited access to virtually every country in the world. People who attempt to obtain a U.S. passport illegally often are seeking to change their identities and conceal their activities and movements. The division's Passport Fraud Branch coordinates and facilitates investigations involving the fraudulent issuance, acquisition, and use of U.S. passports. The Criminal Investigative Division liaises with other bureaus in the State Department and other federal government agencies and state and local law enforcement authorities to further the passport fraud investigation process.

 

The U.S. visa permits a traveler to enter the United States for a specific purpose, such as work or tourism. Countless people attempt to obtain U.S. visas illegally each year. The division's Visa Fraud Branch investigates and coordinates international visa fraud cases including fraudulent issuance, procurement, counterfeiting, and forgery of U.S. visas and works with the Bureau of Consular Affairs on cases involving allegations of corruption by American and Foreign Service national embassy employees, fraudulent document vendors, bribery, and alien smuggling and trafficking involving U.S. visas. The division manages the Russian Business Investigations Initiative to combat Russian and Eurasian organized crime groups seeking entry into the United States. Since the September 11 terrorist attacks, the division has participated in investigations of suspected terrorists and associates of the hijackers who obtained U.S. visas.

 

Passport and visa fraud is a federal offense punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a fine of $250,000. If the offense is connected to narcotics trafficking, the prison sentence is increased to up to 15 years, and 20 years if connected to international terrorism.             

Diplomatic Security has investigated passport and visa fraud since early in the 20th century. Through a dedicated cadre of special agents and continued coordination with Federal and international law enforcement agencies, DS helps protect the integrity of the U.S. passport and visa--undoubtedly the most valuable travel and identity documents in the world.

[Learn how passport and visa fraud relate to identity fraud.]

 
Passport and Visa Fraud: A Quick Course

Passport Fraud

What is a U.S. passport?
A formal document issued by the U.S. Government to a U.S. citizen for travel to and from the United States. U.S. passports are legally recognized as proof of both a person's identity and U.S. citizenship. More than 10 million passports were issued in Fiscal Year 2005. To learn more about applying for a U.S. passport, please visit the State Department's Passport Services.


In Fiscal Year 2005, Diplomatic Security investigated 3,564 new cases of passport and visa fraud and made 583 arrests.


Who commits passport fraud?



      ·   Those illegally seeking citizenship or legal status in the United States

      ·   Those attempting to change or conceal their identity

      ·   Terrorists or fugitives

      ·   Those committing financial fraud

      ·   Those committing other criminal activity such as drug trafficking or alien smuggling

 

How is passport fraud committed?
 
      ·   Substituting photos, most commonly occurring overseas and with older passports
      ·   Altering support documents, such as birth certificates
      ·   Assuming the identity of a deceased person
      ·   Circumventing the two-parent signature rule for minors

The following statutes mandate the DS investigative authority for passport fraud:


      ·   18 USC 1541    Issuance Without Authority
      ·   18 USC 1542    False Statement in Application and Use of Passport
      ·   18 USC 1543    Forgery or False Use of Passport
      ·   18 USC 1544    Misuse of Passport
      ·   18 USC 1546    Fraud and Misuse of Visas, Permits, and Other Documents
      ·   18 USC 371      Conspiracy to Commit Offense or to Defraud the United States
      ·   18 USC 911      False Claim to Citizenship
      ·   18 USC 1028    Fraud and Related Activity in Connection with Identification Documents and Information



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Visa Fraud

What is a visa?
The U.S. visa is a document, obtained at any U.S. embassy or consulate, granting a non-U.S. traveler permission to apply for admission into the United States at a port of entry. It is not a guarantee of entry into the United States. Department of Homeland Security inspectors determine if, and for how long, an alien is admitted. To learn more about applying for a U.S. visa, visit Destination USA.
 
There are two basic types of visas:



Immigrant visa (IV) -- Immigrant visas are for people who intend to live permanently in the United States, as provided by the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Nonimmigrant visa (NIV) -- Nonimmigrant visas are for people who wish to visit the United States temporarily--for tourism, medical treatment, business, temporary work, or study. Some applicants intend to abuse their nonimmigrant visas by remaining in the United States illegally.

 

What are typical types of visa fraud?



      ·  The sale, provision, or transfer of otherwise legitimate visas

      ·   Misrepresentation of reasons for traveling

      ·   Forgery or alteration of a visa



Who commits visa fraud and why?



      ·   Unlawful immigrants for a variety of reasons, most commonly including:

           --   Economic considerations

           --   Flight from prosecution

           --   Facilitation of narcotics and terrorist operations
      ·   Brokers and smugglers in the furtherance of other crimes

      ·   Federal employees, usually for monetary gain



Visa fraud and related statutes include:

      ·   18 USC 1546    Fraud and Misuse of Visas, Permits, and Other Documents
      ·   18 USC 1001    False Statements or Entries Generally
      ·   18 USC 1028    Fraud in Connection with Identification Documents
      ·   18 USC 201      Bribery of Public Officials
      ·   18 USC 371      Conspiracy to Commit Offense or to Defraud the United States



 

Penalties for Passport and Visa Fraud

Passport and visa fraud are federal felonies. Penalties are:

      ·  10 years (for a first offense if not tied to terrorism or drug trafficking)
      ·  15 years for fraud with other criminal links
      ·  20 years for fraud related to drug trafficking
      ·  25 years for fraud related to international terrorism

 Here are soem news items relating to these types of activities...

News Releases

April 7, 2006

Leaders of sham marriage ring plead to charges stemming from ICE-led probe
"Operation Pit Boss" uncovered marriage fraud scheme that recruited at casinos
 

TACOMA, Wash. - The leaders of a major sham marriage scheme based in southwest Washington pleaded guilty yesterday in federal court in Tacoma to visa fraud and money laundering charges stemming from a multi-agency investigation headed by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

Brothers Phuoc Huu Nguyen (a.k.a Steve Nguyen), 42, and Loc Huu Nguyen, 38, both of Vancouver, Washington, entered their guilty pleas four days before their trial was scheduled to begin.  An additional defendant in the case, Everett Ledbetter, 34, of Lynnwood, Washington, pleaded guilty this morning in Tacoma to conspiracy to commit visa fraud. 

According to court documents, in 2003, agents from ICE and the Department of State’s Diplomatic Security Service uncovered a network of individuals who were arranging sham marriages to bring Vietnamese immigrants into the United States illegally.  The conspirators, led by Loc and Phuoc Nguyen, recruited U.S. citizens to travel to Vietnam to enter into fictitious engagements with Vietnamese nationals to facilitate their unlawful entry into the United States.  The investigation was dubbed “Operation Pit Boss” because several of the conspirators worked at casinos in the Vancouver, Washington area.

“Visa fraud undermines the integrity of our nation’s legal immigration system,” said Leigh Winchell, special agent in charge for ICE investigations in Seattle. “This case should send a clear message that ICE is working aggressively to ensure that this kind of criminal activity does not go unchecked or unpunished.”

Recruits received $500 and $1,500, in addition to the free trip to Vietnam.  Vietnamese nationals were charged between $10,000 and $20,000 by the defendants for a non-immigrant visa authorizing their entry into the U.S.  The conspirators manufactured letters of affection and staged photos of the recruits with the Vietnamese nationals to perpetuate the fraud.  Participants also transported U.S. currency from the United States to Vietnam to promote the visa fraud conspiracy, which constituted a violation of the federal money laundering statute. 

Some recruits who refused to participate after traveling to Vietnam were threatened or intimidated by members of the conspiracy.  Investigators identified more than 130 U.S. citizens who were involved in the scheme.  At one point during the investigation, all requests for fiancé visas for Vietnamese nationals were suspended until authorities could identify and arrest the participants in this conspiracy.  The Vietnamese nationals who entered the United States illegally will be processed for removal.

Five other defendants in the case have also entered guilty pleas.  They include Than Bui, 54, of Lakewood, Washington; Richard Earl Anderson, 36, of Seattle; and Ryan Scott Daniels, 28, of Tacoma, all of whom pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit visa fraud.  Last month, Monica Nguyen (a.k.a. Dao Thi Nguyen), 30, of Lynnwood, Washington, and Amanda Thao Nguyen, 28, of Lynnwood, Washington pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit visa fraud and conspiracy to engage in money laundering.  Monica and Amanda Nguyen are siblings of Phuoc and Loc Nguyen. 

The United States Attorney’s office is continuing the investigation, and anticipates seeking additional indictments.

Conspiracy to commit visa fraud carries a penalty of up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.  Conspiracy to commit money laundering carries a penalty of up to 20 years in prison, and a fine of up to $250,000 or twice the amount of the laundered funds.

In addition to ICE and the Diplomatic Security Service, the Washington State Gambling Commission and the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service also participated in the investigation.

This scheme is similar to one dismantled last year by ICE agents in Southern California that resulted in the indictment of more than 40 individuals.  Like the Washington case, many of those involved in the Asian marriage fraud ring in Southern California were recruited at casinos.  According to investigators, the suspects in the California case also went to elaborate lengths to make the sham marriages appear legitimate, posing for wedding pictures, fabricating love letters, even creating fraudulent joint tax returns.

 
-- ICE --

News Releases

November 17, 2006

Four Russian nationals, Polish national indicted for visa fraud

 

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - Four Russian nationals and a Polish national, who were involved with a Branson, Mo., company that provides workers to area hotels, have been indicted by a federal grand jury today for submitting false statements to obtain foreign labor visas for hundreds of employees.

Today's indictments were announced by Bradley J. Schlozman, U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Missouri. The case was investigated by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and the Department of Labor's Office of Inspector General.

Serguei Choukline, also known as Anton Kim, 48, and his wife, Irina Choukline, 44, both of whom were born in Russia and now reside in Springfield, Mo., Anna Bauer, 28, who was born in Russia and resides in Falls Church, Va., Irina Lemetyuynen, 38, who was born in Russia and resides in Springfield, and Angnieszka Koblenc, 31, who was born in Poland and resides in Springfield, were charged in a 17-count second superseding indictment returned by a federal grand jury in Kansas City on Wednesday, Nov. 15, 2006.

Serguei Choukline was a director and Irina Choukline was the secretary of Midwest Hotel Management Corp., 1316 W. Hwy. 76 in Branson, Mo. Bauer, Lemetyuynen and Koblenc were employees of Midwest.

The Chouklines, Lemetyuynen and Koblenc were arrested yesterday and had their initial appearance in federal court in Springfield. Bauer was arrested and appeared in federal court in Virginia. Lemetyuynen and Koblenc remain in federal custody pending a detention hearing on Dec. 1. Irina Choukline was released on a $25,000 bond and Serguei Choukline was continued on his earlier $50,000 bond. Bauer was also released on bond.

This second superseding indictment replaces an earlier indictment by adding Irina Choukline, Bauer, Lemetyuynen and Koblenc as co-defendants and omitting Monica A. Lopez, 25, a citizen of Mexico residing in the Branson area, who pleaded guilty the charge of aiding and abetting visa fraud that was contained in a Feb. 8, 2006, superseding indictment. Lopez was director of human resources for Midwest.

The federal indictment, Schlozman explained, involves the use of temporary worker visas. The temporary worker program is designed to allow foreign workers to provide labor for certain industries after it has been determined that there is a legitimate need for the work and that there are an insufficient number of citizens or other legal aliens to provide the labor.

Count One of the federal indictment alleges that each of the co-defendants participated in a conspiracy to make false statements and to commit mail fraud, visa fraud and alien inducement from May 1, 2002 to November 2006 in Branson and Springfield. Midwest allegedly submitted 15 foreign labor visa applications containing numerous false statements to obtain approximately 300 foreign labor visas, including visas for Lopez, Lemetyuynen and Koblenc. Through the use of a fraudulently obtained foreign labor workforce, the indictment says Midwest received approximately $1.5 million in ill-gotten gains.

The false statements contained in these visa applications, the indictment alleges, include naming fictitious corporate officers, providing fraudulent reference letters, manufacturing fraudulent employment interviews of U.S. citizens, improperly listing places of employment, and the unauthorized use of an address supplied by Midwest Hotel Management as their corporate office.

Serguei Choukline, using the alias Anton Kim, allegedly was the architect of the overall scheme who gathered, executed and submitted the bulk of the documents on behalf of Midwest. Irina Choukline allegedly provided, submitted, and purportedly translated fraudulent supporting documentation for visa applications submitted by Midwest on behalf of Lemetyuynen, Koblenc and others. She also had payroll responsibilities and paid the bills of Midwest. Bauer was the original “day to day� face of Midwest with regard to the recruiting, placement and transportation of seasonal workers, the indictment says, and also had payroll responsibilities.

Count Two of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Lemetyuynen, aiding and abetting each other, made false statements to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services concerning Lemetyuynen's residence and employment status on Form I-129, Petition for Nonimmigrant Worker, on Oct. 4, 2002.

Count Three of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Lemetyuynen aided and abetted each other to commit mail fraud on Oct. 4, 2002 by having a fraudulently obtained visa delivered to Lemetyuynen's employer by U.S. mail.

Count Four of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Lemetyuynen aided and abetted each other to commit visa fraud on Oct. 4, 2002 by causing an I-129 Petition for Nonimmigrant Worker to be filed for Lemetyuynen with a visa subsequently received by means of false representations.

Count Five of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Lemetyuynen aided and abetted each other in making false statements on Aug. 23, 2004 to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services concerning a visa application for Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker and Permanent Resident Status in the United States.

Count Six of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Lemetyuynen aided and abetted each other to commit mail fraud on Aug. 23, 2004 by having a fraudulently obtained visa delivered by U.S. mail.

Count Seven of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Lemetyuynen aided and abetted each other to commit visa fraud on Aug. 31, 2005 by causing an I-140 Petition for Nonimmigrant Worker, I-485 Application to Register Permanent Resident or Adjust Status, and G-325 Biographical Sheet to be filed with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Count Eight of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Koblenc, aiding and abetting each other, made false statements to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services concerning Koblenc's residence and employment status on Form I-129, Petition for Nonimmigrant Worker, on May 20, 2004.

Count Nine of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Koblenc aided and abetted each other to commit mail fraud on May 20, 2004 by having a fraudulently obtained visa delivered to Koblenc's employer by U.S. mail.

Count Ten of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Koblenc aided and abetted each other to commit visa fraud on May 20, 2004 by causing an I-129 Petition for Nonimmigrant Worker to be filed for Koblenc with a visa subsequently received by means of false representations.

Count Eleven of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Koblenc aided and abetted each other in making false statements on March 30, 2005 to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services concerning a visa application for Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker and Permanent Resident Status in the United States.

Count Twelve of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Koblenc aided and abetted each other to commit mail fraud on March 30, 2005 by having a fraudulently obtained visa delivered by U.S. mail.

Count Thirteen of the federal indictment alleges that the Chouklines and Koblenc aided and abetted each other to commit visa fraud on March 30, 2005 by causing an I-140 Petition for Nonimmigrant Worker, I-485 Application to Register Permanent Resident or Adjust Status, and G-325 Biographical Sheet to be filed with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Counts Fourteen, Fifteen and Sixteen of the federal indictment allege that, on three separate instances between Oct. 2, 2002, and Feb. 10, 2005, Serguei Choukline induced an illegal alien to enter and reside in the United States.

Count Seventeen of the federal indictment is a forfeiture count, which would require the Chouklines to forfeit to the government any property used to commit the alleged offenses, including residential property located at 3634 W. Suzanne Place in Springfield, Mo.

Schlozman cautioned that the charges contained in the indictment are simply accusations, and not evidence of guilt. Evidence supporting the charges must be presented to a federal trial jury, whose duty is to determine guilt or innocence.

This case is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorney David A. Barnes, Western District of Missouri.

 
-- ICE --

Not convinced yet..here are 2 dealing with MARRIAGE FRAUD as proposed by the original poster....

Three Persons Charged With Marriage Fraud
LAS VEGAS — The Federal Grand Jury has indicted two women and a man for their involvement in a marriage fraud scheme which was intended to allow the man to evade immigration laws and unlawfully remain in the United States, announced Daniel G. Bogden, United States Attorney for the District of Nevada.

MOUSTAPHA MOUSTAPHA, age 35, BEVERLEY MAY SENIOR, age 47, and GHADA ALY, age 32, residents of Las Vegas, were charged on Wednesday, May 17, 2006, with one count of Conspiracy (to commit marriage fraud and make false statements). MOUSTAPHA and SENIOR are also charged with one count of Marriage Fraud, one count of False Application, and two counts of False Statement and Representation. Agents with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (U.S. ICE) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) arrested the defendants yesterday morning. The Indictment was sealed until this afternoon.

“Persons who make false statements in immigration forms and to U.S. Immigration authorities risk investigation and prosecution,” said U.S. Attorney Bogden. “Although it is clear that many persons do so for economic or social reasons, rather than to commit violent acts, this sort of conduct violates federal law and will not be tolerated.”

Visa fraud undermines the integrity of our nation’s legal immigration system," said Tom Kalmes, Acting Resident Agent-in-Charge for ICE's Office of Investigations in Las Vegas. "These indictments should send a clear message that if you commit marriage fraud, there won't be a honeymoon. ICE is working aggressively to ensure that this kind of criminal activity does not go unchecked or unpunished."

According to the Indictment, on about August 3, 2001, MOUSTAPHA lawfully entered the United States from Egypt on a student visa. According to U.S. ICE records, ALY legally entered the United States on August 10, 2002, but neither MOUSTAPHA nor ALY is a citizen of the United States. MOUSTAPHA and ALY divorced in Clark County on about June 23, 2005. This caused ALY to become out-of-status and illegally in the United States.

On about July 20, 2005, MOUSTAPHA and ALY, asked or caused an unknown conspirator to ask SENIOR, a person believed by MOUSTAPHA and ALY to be a citizen of the United States, if she would marry MOUSTAPHA so that he could illegally remain in the United States. On about July 20, 2005, MOUSTAPHA and SENIOR entered into a sham marriage in Clark County, Nevada.

In September 2005, MOUSTAPHA and SENIOR each executed immigration forms stating that they had married, knowing that they did not intend to establish a life together as husband and wife, but that they had married for the purpose of enabling MOUSTAPHA to illegally remain in the United States.

In October 2005, MOUSTAPHA failed to maintain a full course of study, which was required for him to continue to legally remain in the United States under the student visa upon which he entered. This caused him to become out-of-status and illegally in the United States.

In October 2005, MOUSTAPHA, SENIOR, and ALY presented an immigration form to obtain a visa that would allow MOUSTAPHA to illegally remain in the United States.

In February 2006, MOUSTAPHA and SENIOR personally interviewed with a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services officer in Las Vegas, and presented additional information and photographs in support of the immigration forms they had submitted.

All three defendants entered not guilty pleas before U.S. Magistrate Judge Peggy Leen this afternoon. SENIOR was released on a personal recognizance bond; MOUSTAPHA and ALY were detained pending trial based on a risk of flight.

If convicted, the defendants face up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine on the Conspiracy charge. MOUSTAPHA and SENIOR also face up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine on each of the marriage fraud and false statement counts, and up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine on the False Application count.

This case is being investigated by U.S. ICE and the FBI, with the assistance of the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorney Kimberly M. Frayn.

The public is reminded that an indictment contains only charges and is not evidence of guilt. The defendants are presumed innocent and entitled to a fair trial at which the government has the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Twenty-four Individuals Indicted in Sophisticated Marriage Fraud Scheme Designed to Assist Vietnamese Nationals in Evading U.S. Immigration Laws



August 8, 2006


Brett L. Tolman
United States Attorney
District of Utah

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: August 8, 2006

CONTACT: MELODIE RYDALCH
U.S. Attorney’s Office
801-325-3206
801-243-6475 (CELL)

SALT LAKE CITY – A federal grand jury indictment unsealed in federal court today in Salt Lake City charges 24 individuals with numerous violations of federal law in connection with a sophisticated marriage fraud scheme designed to help Vietnamese nationals enter or remain in the United States while evading provisions of U.S. immigration laws.

Announcing the indictment are United States Attorney for Utah Brett L. Tolman; Charles "Chuck" DeMore, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement office of investigations in San Francisco; Thomas Depenbrock, Special Agent in Charge of the U.S. Department of State Bureau of Diplomatic Security San Francisco Field Office; and Mario Ortiz, Denver District Director of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS).


The 79-count indictment, which was returned by a grand jury Thursday, follows a multi-agency 18-month investigation. The investigation started with a tip from a citizen. The charges in the indictment include conspiracy to defraud the United States; encouraging or inducing an illegal alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States (alien smuggling); marriage fraud; visa fraud; and aggravated identity theft.


Charged in the indictment are Hoa Thanh Vo, age 40, of West Valley City; Henry Ngoc Nguyen, age 45, of West Jordan; Buu Van Troung of West Jordan; Ngoc Hoa Huynh (aka "Noa," "Nora," "Norwa"), age 33, of West Jordan; Huu Luong Huynh (aka "John Huynh"), age 31, of South Jordan; Danh Huy Do, age 33, of West Valley City; James Hugh McClurg, age 48, of Sandy; Tinh Huu Cao, age 37, of West Jordan; Lanh Ta Huynh, age 52, of West Jordan; Dzung Tan Huynh (aka "Jace"), age 43, of Sandy; My Chau Tran (aka "Leelee," "Lily"), age 29, of South Jordan; Hue Thi Huynh, age 40, of West Jordan; Tri Dung Minh Nguyen (aka "Yoon"), age 40, of West Valley City; Mischelle Lien Polish, age 33, of Murray; Cuc Thi Nguyen (aka "Kathy Nguyen) of South Jordan; Billy Chanh Tran, age 47, of Las Vegas, Nevada, Thi Tho Nguyen, age 55, of Salt Lake City; Gary Minh Nguyen, age 38, of West Valley City; Johnathan Quy Tran, age 49, of Salt Lake City; Winona Juan Fischer (aka "Wendy Fischer"), age 56, of Salt Lake City; Dung Lee, age and residence unknown; Hieu Dinh Hoang, age 34, of West Valley City; Tamy Ta, age 56, of Sandy; and Yen Thi Pham, age 35, of Sandy. Most of the defendants are naturalized U.S. citizens.


The indictment alleges the defendants recruited United States citizens to travel to Vietnam to enter into fictitious engagements or fraudulent marriages to facilitate the unlawful entry of the Vietnamese nationals into the United States. On occasion, the indictment alleges, U.S. citizens were recruited to enter into fraudulent marriages with Vietnamese nationals already in the United States.


"The scheme alleged in this indictment takes the concept of ‘arranged marriage’ to a new level," U.S. Attorney Brett L. Tolman said today. "Those charged in this indictment exploited a process intended to assist families. Their subversion was motivated by greed. The purpose of this indictment is two-fold. First, we want to disrupt and punish this criminal activity. Second, it is important to all of the agencies involved in this case that we restore the integrity of the marriage visa process," Tolman said.

"Marriage fraud and other forms of immigration benefit fraud are potential threats to public safety because they create a vulnerability through which illegal aliens, criminals, and terrorists can enter the United States," said Charles DeMore, Special Agent in Charge of the ICE office of investigations in San Francisco, which includes Utah. "This case sends a clear message that if you commit marriage fraud, there is not going to be a honeymoon. ICE is working aggressively to ensure that this kind of criminal activity does not go unchecked or unpunished."

The indictment alleges the defendants paid U.S. citizens between $500 and $10,000, in addition to travel and other related expenses, in exchange for their agreement to enter into the fictitious engagements or marriages. Defendants told the U.S. citizen recruits that they would not have to live with their Vietnamese spouse once he or she entered the United States and that they would only have to remain married for a limited period of time.

The indictment alleges that as a part of the conspiracy, the defendants told some U.S. citizen recruits that the arrangements were, at most, immoral but not illegal. On other occasions recruits were told that they would be helping Vietnamese nationals escape "a terrible situation."


The indictment alleges the defendants charged each Vietnamese national approximately $30,000 for the assistance of one or more of the defendants in obtaining documents from the United States government authorizing the entry of the Vietnamese nationals into the United States or their continued residence in the country.


The indictment alleges the defendants accompanied the citizen recruits to Vietnam and organized or participated in elaborate but fraudulent engagement ceremonies. The defendants also compiled "evidence" of the relationship to be submitted in conjunction with immigration applications. Most commonly, the indictment alleges, this included photos of the parties designed to give the appearance of a meaningful and long-lasting relationship. In fact, the indictment alleges, the parties spend only a short time together in Vietnam and travel from location to location changing their clothes at each in advance of taking additional photos.


According to the indictment, the defendants prepared or caused to be prepared, immigration applications which falsely represented that the recruited U.S. citizen intended to marry the Vietnamese national who was listed on the application as the alien fiancé and falsely represented the circumstances under which they had met. The defendants, according to the indictment, paid all of the filing fees to get the immigration applications prepared and worked with both the Vietnamese national and the U.S. citizen recruit to prepare them to answer questions asked by immigration officials to ascertain whether the claimed relationship is bona fide.


"I am here today to deliver a clear message from the State Department. Marriage and visa fraud are serious crimes with substantive national, economic and personal consequences," Special Agent in Charge Thomas Depenbrock of the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security said. "These crimes violate the legal immigration process and threaten the integrity of the system for others who abide by U.S. immigration laws," Depenbrock said.
Depenbrock said, "Marriage fraud also threatens Americans who are lured into committing this crime. We have seen instances where the foreign spouse has gained access to bank accounts and other personal information and left the American in financial trouble." 


The defendants in this case are those who recruited U.S. citizens to participate in the scheme and matched them up with Vietnamese nationals. The indictment does not include charges against any of the U.S. citizen "recruits" or "petitioners." Federal prosecutors say the U.S. citizens have admitted their involvement in the scheme and are cooperating with the investigation. A final decision about whether they will be charged has not been made.


"National security is our number one priority. We’re very proud to work closely with other components in the Department of Homeland Security to detect fraud," said Denver USCIS District Director Mario Ortiz. "It also shows the commitment from the general public. This big case started with just one tip from a local citizen."


As a part of the investigation, a USCIS Fraud Detection and National Security (FDNS) officer began to look at the tip from the citizen. The USCIS officer’s investigation spotted a pattern leading to the identification of 80 to 100 people involved in this alleged scheme.


Ultimately, more than 1,000 documents, including between 400 and 600 applications or petitions, were reviewed. As part of the anti-fraud task force lead by ICE, FDNS’ biggest role in the investigation was identifying related individuals, retrieving documents and establishing a database to maintain these cases for future use as evidence. USCIS officers also performed marriage fraud interviews on cases related to this investigation.


Arrest warrants were executed Monday. As of Tuesday, 21 arrests had been made. Initial appearances on the indictment started Tuesday morning. The potential maximum penalties for the counts charged in the indictment include up to five years for conspiracy to defraud the United States; up to 10 years for alien smuggling; up to five years for marriage fraud; up to 10 years for visa fraud; and a two-year minimum mandatory sentence to be served consecutive to any other sentence for aggravated identity theft. Dung Lee, Billy Chanh Tran, and Lanh Ta Huynh have not been arrested. Defendants have been detained pending a detention hearing Thursday starting at 11 a.m. before U.S. Magistrate Judge Brooke Wells.


The indictment also seeks forfeiture of property, money and other proceeds the defendants obtained directly or indirectly as a result of the alleged criminal conduct. It also seeks a money judgment of $1,380,000
representing the amount of proceeds obtained as a result of the offenses charged in the indictment.


Defendants charged in indictments are presumed innocent unless or until proven guilty in court.


Public Affairs contacts:

ICE Public Affairs
Virginia Kice and Lori K. Haley
949-360-3096

USCIS
Sharon Rummery
415-987-0191

U.S. State Department
L. Kendal Smith
571-345-2503

 
   Now we can all clearly see there is OBVIOUS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY BEING ATTEMPTED AND PLANNED IN THIS INSTANCE I don't think this should be tolerated here PERIOD! as a matter of fact it is a serious TOS Violation, but alas this isn't my call to make. Just my HLO., and $.02

ECR844

[Rvrwind]

Until we can get some momentum into the CMA initiative, RWD - as a discussion forum - has little real ability to get to the bottom of some of those claims.

Yes, I know & it is frustrating as hell!!

I seem to recall in the Daknack TR that he had a good experience. Maybe I am misremembering.

I thinkyou are misremembering, Matthew has never been to Tver or I would be aware of it.

I don't mean to 'come down on you' - please don't interpret it that way.

I don't, I just hope you & others realize the frustration that I feel in the position I am in & what I see going on around me...I literally loose sleep over some of the stories I have been told.
Not Kool...I will leave it at that.

[groovlstk]

ECR, there are enough men here who would like to believe this sort of thing doesn't happen or that they shouldn't worry about it since a similar percentage of American women will stoop to the same level. Pure hogwash!

Troll or not, there are FSU women who will do this and not just to some foolish geezer three times their age. For this reason alone Baby's posts ought to remain.

[Admin]

Now we can all clearly see there is OBVIOUS ILLEGAL ACTIVITY BEING ATTEMPTED AND PLANNED IN THIS INSTANCE I don't think this should be tolerated here PERIOD! as a matter of fact it is a serious TOS Violation, but alas this isn't my call to make. Just my HLO., and $.02[/b][/i]

ECR844

I see groov beat me to it - but I thought I would add:

You are correct that any illegal activity is a violation of the ToS. In this case, we have someone who is contemplating the commission of a crime. As far as I know, they have not yet committed that crime - although it certainly seems they have plans to do so in the future.

Except for a few instances, I do not think contemplation of a crime is prosecutable. Just saw Minority Report again (cool flick, BTW), and THERE they could arrest in advance of the commission, but I think we are not there yet.

Sometimes I wish I were an attorney (I am not) - because I'd like to know if the mere act of conspiracy is criminal, absent the underlying crime. I do not think so - but who knows?

Anyway - I honestly do believe it is educational. Imagine the newbie who comes along, has been approached by the Dad of a gal in the FSU to pay for his daughter's entry to the US (based on marriage) - and now he sees the references you have posted. That is invaluable stuff. Thanks.

- Dan

[ecr844]

"Groov,"

  You're a good guy and understand and see what you're saying. Intellectually I understand the value and purpose as well as how and why it is useful and should be seen here... That being said I guess my morals were coming out and getting in the way of my posting.  

    I believe it is wrong, and although the following posts show that the outcry against it is evident and it may serve some purpose if tit all remains. Still, I don't think this individual should be allowed to continue to be associated with either this group or continue to be allowed to pursue this venture. Alas though it isn't my call and it is just this one mans opinion.

I guess stuff like this also pisses me off because I am killing myself to do this LEGALLY and CORRECTLY, then we see these scumbags, sailing right through and doing things of this nature without a care and may even potentially succeed.  I've said my piece, made my case and I am open to other perspectives. It's just wrong...

ECR844  

[TigerPaws]

I still say we had a Troll, I would be very, no extremely surprised if whoever baby was ever returns. If it sounds like a Troll, looks like a Troll then most likely they were a Troll.

TigerPaws 

[Rvrwind]

I'minclined to agree Tiger, but the message is clear! I hope!!

[Jack]

Few comments.


ANY guy here who is looking for a Russian bride who believes baby is real, and not a troll, then buddy, your in for a loooooong, hard, expensive journey.

Only because they haven't seen her picture Dan. Come on, if she is hot some of these guys will do an about face faster than you can say lickitey split!!! Sensuality & Deeva both proved a pretty face & a hot body is all you need to win the masses of men, no matter what your crime. They both should have been crucified & yet they were vilified!!

Richard, your right about this, the pretty face and all and how so many men lose all common sense.  So what else is new?  This is life, been this way for 35,000 years and will be this way as long as man and woman are on earth.


Regarding Sensuality. I feel quite sure the woman is not a scammer. I know of nothing she ever did wrong, never heard a single negative report on her and I helped a few guys to get in contact with her.  The only negative thing I heard was in regards to how Sensuality was dressed and called a tramp (in so many words) from a few plain jane Russian women here who are ALWAYS intimidated by any beautiful Russian woman whose photo is posted here.


With regards to the scam operator of TverRomance I commented about my negative experience with her and have no competing profit motive with this agency or any of the Tver agencies.

[Maxx2]

I guess stuff like this also pisses me off because I am killing myself to do this LEGALLY and CORRECTLY, then we see these scumbags, sailing right through and doing things of this nature without a care and may even potentially succeed.
ECR844  

I understand you. I doubt if anybody here can identify what I am about to say. I am editing a documentary film I shot on Immigration marriage fraud. The upshot is that the USCIS will NOT investigate marriage fraud cases unless there is some big payoff for them such as busting a big case (see above for examples) for career promotion and busting a case that will net them a large amount of civil forfeture assets (see the last example above). The US citizen no matter how much evidence he or she has about their marriage being fradulent will not get any help from the USCIS or ICE. I got one guy who has annulment papers signed by a judge because his FSU wife was still married to her previous husband (and may stiil be so). With this proof he goes down to I.C.E. (scary name!). They tell him they can't help him unless they are ordered to by a Federal judge. That he can send this off to the Vermont Service Center himself. He does and waits. Less than a year later he gets a notification addressed to his wife "Your petition as an abused spouse of a US citizen has been approved. Please go to your local service center to get your LPR card" words to that effect. I got case after case of this filmeds and getting ready to be shown over streaming video for you, the USCIS, the American embassies, the media and all the world to see.

Maxx

[TigerPaws]

I understand you. I doubt if anybody here can identify what I am about to say. I am editing a documentary film I shot on Immigration marriage fraud. The upshot is that the USCIS will NOT investigate marriage fraud cases unless there is some big payoff for them such as busting a big case (see above for examples) for career promotion and busting a case that will net them a large amount of civil forfeture assets (see the last example above). The US citizen no matter how much evidence he or she has about their marriage being fradulent will not get any help from the USCIS or ICE. I got one guy who has annulment papers signed by a judge because his FSU wife was still married to her previous husband (and may stiil be so). With this proof he goes down to I.C.E. (scary name!). They tell him they can't help him unless they are ordered to by a Federal judge. That he can send this off to the Vermont Service Center himself. He does and waits. Less than a year later he gets a notification addressed to his wife "Your petition as an abused spouse of a US citizen has been approved. Please go to your local service center to get your LPR card" words to that effect. I got case after case of this filmeds and getting ready to be shown over streaming video for you, the USCIS, the American embassies, the media and all the world to see. Maxx

Maxx,

Everything you have done sounds great and I am sure all of it is true but in all honesty you are pissing in the wind.

TigerPaws