Hi is this a scam?

[Buster]

Hello i have been speaking to a Russian woman for over a month and we have spoke once on the phone and this is what she has wrote in her last letter, is this a scam? has any body else had a similar thing written to them.

Mine Michael, I LOVE YOU!
My parents and friends spoke you GREETINGS! Mum has already asked as us with you affairs with a meeting. I have explained to mum, that everything is all right. On work of problems with a vacation will not be, and my boss has told, that in any day I can go on a vacation.
Today I was included in agency of travel. They give a set of services. I have addressed to lady with questions, and she has kindly answered me all my questions. I have explained, that I want to visit England and the first question which she has asked me: you were in England before? I have told, not present. You have the passport? I have told YES! But my passport had restriction, and now it is necessary to prolong for me the passport. Also she has asked my marital status, my income, whether I have children, and I fix from other questions. I have kindly answered each question. I also have explained, that before I have gone to Europe. After that lady has told to me, that then you will not have a problem with visiting England. She has explained to me about a policy of the European countries and also England. Each country to care of people which arrive.
They choose from candidates on reception of the visa and do not give the visa to all. Material stability is very important. Also the social status and the purpose of arrival in England.
I already considered all details. Here the prices for various visas, terms of registration, the list of necessary documents are submitted. Lady has explained to me, that I should go to Moscow for reception of the visa. I never was in England before and therefore my personal presence at embassy with payment of consular gathering is necessary. I can arrive to England approximately for 3 months, or - 100 days.
Also I should tell, that if I shall send all documents through agency in my city then I should pay much more money. Except for that I should go to Moscow anyway and personally be present at embassy. You understand about it? I observed, that lists of a site of work and checked cost of the visa. They - 100 dollars. I should speak you, that it is rather complex and long process to receive the visa. To me have told, that I have more opportunities to receive the visa. By the way, I should receive the visa of the tourist because it is fast enough and is more cheaper. Except for that I believe, that for us now there is no need to receive the visa of the bride, because it - our first meeting. You agree with me? So, in embassy if I shall prove, that I come back, they will allow the visa without a problem. Here in Russia I have good work, my apartment, the automobile, and proves all this, that I shall come back anyway. Therefore I can safely go to Moscow and receive my visa!
I have a lot of information for this purpose if not which I travelled earlier. I know also, that it demands from me time, my forces and money. I have time, I have forces!
I the strong woman and I also have money for this purpose. I should tell also, that I could save approximately 700 dollars on this purpose. I would have more, but I have paid taxes, and also I have helped to pay to training parents of my sister. I approximately counted my charges. I should pay also for the visa, for the passport, for many other documents. Also I should live in Moscow in hotel some time and a payment for residing and for transport. I think, that I 700 dollars will be spent for this purpose only. I read on the Internet, that it will be necessary to show for me the ticket of back Russia. Without it to me will not allow the visa.
It has a little broken me because tickets demand many money. I wanted to arrive to you, and I do not refuse it. I am ready to spend for this purpose my working hours, money and my forces. As I know, that I want to meet you. I want to be with you. Both of us want it. For this reason I wanted to speak with you about division with me parts of charges. I want, that you have asked, that you have bought for me tickets onboard the plane. It is the ticket of trip there and back. I think, that it will be fair, because I also to spend many my money and forces and time. You agree with me? I ask you, that you have bought for me tickets from Moscow up to your closest airport. I have already accepted all things here. I am ready to go to Moscow and to start to take all things. Now, if you will help me with tickets, I can go tomorrow already to Moscow. I very quickly reach Moscow. Tell to me, you will help me with tickets?
You have money for this purpose now? I very much hope, that you will help me. Between us there is a trust and feelings. Both of us want to meet. Also for me it will prove gravity of your intentions. Please, you should not refuse me.
We really correct things, and I am confident, that we shall be happy together. I wait tomorrow your answer and if you have money, and to me will buy tickets, I shall go to Moscow. Write to me it. Excuse me, that I ask you about the help. I think, that it is fair. You know my income, and you should present, that for me it - is a lot of money. I do not regret about money, and I shall make all for our meeting. But I should have your support also. We should be one command, and then we shall be happy.
I today was very happy to speak by with you to phone. I all the day long have been excited,
To hear your voice! When we spoke with you I felt that you a beside and my heart was to warm.
It is a pity, that we could not speak with you during long time, but even this short time was
It is very important for me. I could hear your voice and feel your breath. I hope can soon arrive to you
And then we shall be together a lot of time!
I wait your letter and with hope, that you help me, also I shall go to Moscow soon.
I love you. I wait our meeting. I want to see you and to kiss. To write
Soon, yours for ever, Elena .


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Thanks for reading! and i appreciate any comments

 Michael

[Mir]

90% chances that it is a scam

[Ste]

90% chances that it is a scam

Rubbish Mir, 100% chance it's a scam!!

UK Visit Visa is 85 quid, or $170, not $100 and it's for six months not 100 days.

The claptrap she has written is the classic 'I'm comng to see you but I don't have all the money so can you pay' shïte, I'm surprised she's not told us she's sold her gran's jewellry or pawned a kidney.

How can people believe this rubbish?

[William3rd]

It must be love. . . . .

All the scammer did was rewrite the letter and put in England instead of United States in parts of the letter-and change the name to Mark from Joe or Dave.

Hence- the 100 dollar mention instead of the British pound

[MaxxumUSA]

Michael,

Like the others mentioned there is an extremely high likelihood this is a scam.  Like 99 %.

Can you tell us more?  How did you meet her?  Did you initiate contact or her?  On what site did you find her?

You mentioned that you talked on the phone with her.  Did she call you, or did you call her?  Do you have her cell number and you can call her any time?  By the way - every russian woman does have a cell phone.

Most all russian women seeking a husband abroad KNOWS that you MUST visit her in her country.  At least for USA citizens.  I believe the same is for England.

I see this is your first post here - are you seeking a russian woman?  What sites or agencies are you using?  You have found a great source for guidance here at RWD.

DO NOT send money - tell us more first.

[Wayne B]

Buster, welcome  This doesn't look good.....I think for your sake, it is time to move on. There are many good women in the FSU.... You have seen some of the 'Red flags' in this letter to you....So, it shows me that you are learning....continue to learn and don't fall for this trap  

[Jet]

There are WAY too many problems with this letter for it to be legitimate. I have seen situations where girl simply didn't understand the difficulties involved and had been misinformed or confused. This is NOT one of those cases. NOBODY issues a 100 day visa, plus the cost is wrong. She cannot go to Moscow tomorrow, and she is not required to stay there while visa is processed. She would submit application with supporting documentation by courier, and then wait for Embassy to contact her with an interview date which can be anywhere from 2 to 8 weeks out (or more). Once she attends the interview and is approved (IF she's approved) they mail the passport back to her with the visa affixed inside. THEN she can start to think about buying a plane ticket. UK and Russia are not on very good terms right now and it's been all over the Russian nightly news that visas are near impossible to get at the moment, in fact UK has just recently denied 4 Diplomatic visas (which almost never happens). I know you want to believe this is real, but it's not.

Do yourself a favor, if you are going to fall for the bait anyway after all the advice to the contrary, DO NOT send her cash for the ticket. Instead buy a refundable ticket through B-A in her name and pay with a CC in your name. That way even if she does show up, she can't cash in the ticket and run. As a matter of fact, if you go through with it, TELL HER that's what you are doing and that the airline needs a copy of her passport to issue the ticket

[I/O]

Mine Michael, I LOVE YOU!

That was enough.  Didn't need to read further.  Buster, just the garden variety basic scam. Take a number sport, you are number 42 million on the list so far. Women DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT, now in case you missed that, DO NOT fall in love by letter and phone and definitely don't declare it in a letter before meeting.

Welcome to RWD, if you are in any ways serious about this pursuit, you have made a very good move by joining in here. First things first, delete all the horny photos you have been sent because they will have been lifted from celebrity websites or similar then go read the FAQ section twice. It was put together by people who know what they are talking about and the project was led by a guy who knows Russia fairly well.

I/O 

[ScottinCrimea]

All you need to do is tell her that when she arrives you will reimburse her for the expense.  That way, if she is legit she will actually show up.  Lots of red flags here, but if you want to be certain of her intentions, this will work.

[Ste]

Here's what to do what gushy tripe like the above arrives in your in-box:

Pick a sentance in the overly-romantic drivel and Google it, for example from the above:

"They choose from candidates on reception of the visa and do not give the visa to all. Material stability is very important"

And this is what came up:

City Barysh 433750

adress: Zarechnaya 15-38

Letter

y Russ, I LOVE YOU!

My parents and friends spoke you HELLO! Mum already asked as us with you affairs with a meeting. I have explained to mum, that everything is all right. On work of problems with a vacation will not be, and my boss has told, that in any day I can go on a vacation.

Today I went in agency of travel.They render set of services. I have addressed to lady with questions and she has kindly answered me all my questions. I have explained, that I want to visit the USA and the first question which she asked me: you were in the USA before?

I have told was not present. You have the passport? I have told YES! But my passport had restriction and now it is necessary for me to prolong the passport. Also she asked my marital status, my earnings, whether I have children, and set of other questions. I kindly answered each question.

I also have explained, that before I went to Europe. After that lady has told to me, that then you will not have a problem with visiting the USA. She has explained to me about a politics of the European countries and also the USA. Each country to care of people which arrive.

They choose from candidates on reception of the visa and do not give the visa to all. Material stability is very important. Also the social status and the purpose of arrival in America.

Lady has explained to me, that I should go to Moscow for reception of the visa. I never was in the USA before and consequently my personal presence at embassy with payment of consular gathering is necessary. I can stay in the USA approximately 3 months or these are 100 days.

Also I should tell, that if I shall send all documents through agency then I should pay much more money. Besides I should go to Moscow anyhow and personally be present at embassy. You understand about it? I looked on that site schedules of work and checked cost of the visa. These are 100 dollars.

I should you tell, that it is rather complex and long process to receive the visa. To me have told, that I have more opportunities to receive the visa. By the way, I should receive the visa of the tourist because it is fast enough and is more cheaper. Besides I believe, that for us now there is no necessity to receive the visa of the bride because it is our first meeting. You agree with me? So, in embassy if I shall prove, that I come back they will allow the visa without a problem. Here in Russia I have good work, my apartment, and proves all this, that I shall come back anyhow. Therefore I can safely go to Moscow and receive my visa!

I have a lot of information for this purpose, except for that I traveled earlier. I know also that it will demand from me time, my forces and money. I have time, I have forces!

I the strong woman and I also have money for this purpose. I should tell also, that I could save approximately 1000 dollars for this purpose. I would have more, but I have paid taxes and also I helped to pay to parents training of my brother. I approximately counted my expenses. I should go by train to Moscow and back.

I should pay also for the visa, for the passport, for many other documents. Also I should live in Moscow in hotel some time and pay for residing and for transport. I think, that I 1000 dollars will be spent for this purpose only. I read on the Internet, that it will be necessary for me to show the ticket back to Russia. Without it to me will not allow the visa.

It has a little afflicted me, because tickets will demand many money. I have wanted to arrive to you and I do not refuse it. I am ready to spend for this purpose my working hours, money and my forces. Because I know, that I want to meet you. I want to be with you. Both of us want it. For this reason I wanted to speak with you about division with me parts of expenses. I want you to ask, that you bought for me tickets aboard the plane. It roundtrip ticket. I think, that it will be fair, because I also to spend many my money and forces and time. You agree with me? I ask you that you bought for me tickets from Moscow up to your closest airport.

I already accepted all things here. I am ready to go to Moscow and to start to take all things. Now if you will help me with tickets I can go tomorrow already to Moscow. By train I very quickly reach Moscow. Tell to me, you will help me with tickets?

You have money for this purpose now? I very much hope, that you will help me. Between us there is a trust and feelings. Both of us want to meet. Also for me it will prove gravity of your intentions. Please, you should not me refuse.

We do correct things and I am confident, that we shall be happy together. I wait tomorrow your answer and if you have money and to me will buy tickets I shall go to Moscow. Write to me it. Excuse me, that I ask you about the help. I think, that it is fair. You know my earnings and you should represent, that for me it is many money.

I do not regret money and I shall do all for our meeting. But I should have your support also. We should be one command and then we shall be happy.

I wait your letter and with hope, that you help me also I shall go to Moscow soon. I love you. I wait our meeting. I want to see you and to kiss. Write soon, yours forever,Natalia.

You have been scammed, luckily not monetarily.

[William3rd]

WAIT- Do NOT tell us anything more. We have already heard enough. The letter says enough.

Now go do the right thing. . .

[Jet]

LOL eight different roads and they all ended up at the same destination - scammerville 
More interesting than the fact that the letter was bogus, is the different methods of detection illustrated here 

P.S. the google thing was brilliant Ste, I had completely forgotten about that...

[SANDRO43]

LOL eight different roads and they all ended up at the same destination - scammerville 

She must a good alumna of the "Driving School for Scammers" (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1834.msg40694#msg40694) .

[Phil dAmore]

Great work, Ste!

Buster, I can't add anything to what has been written above.  Do NOT send a single pound to this woman.  If you want to have some fun, send her a bogus Western Union MTCN and make her go all around the city trying to pick up the money.

But you would be better off just dropping her like a bad habit.

[William3rd]

Telephone numbers work great as MCTNs!!!

Darling Natalia, 10,000 pounds is on the way. Book that ticket FIRST CLASS right now!!!

See how many times you can get her to go out and look for the money.

[Ste]

Telephone numbers work great as MCTNs!!!

Darling Natalia, 10,000 pounds is on the way. Book that ticket FIRST CLASS right now!!!

See how many times you can get her to go out and look for the money.

No, Natalia is the other scammer, his scammer is Elena! although getting her name wrong might be fun.

Reminds me, a friend at work told me about 'Bedroom Rodeo' where you indulge in a bit of doggy-style with ur partner, then call out the name of her best friend, sister or mother, see how long you stay on.....


 

[William3rd]

Hmmm- might even be more fun if you started moaning- ohh Jeff, jefff, JEFFFFFFF. . . . . .

[Buster]

OK, OK i think i have got the Message ;-)
Thank you all for replying to my letter, think i new the answer but just wanted to be sure and now i am ( still like her pictures ;-) )
She actually contacted me through match .com
I have been looking at Russian Brides. com has any body had any experiences  with this company or even better still can anybody recommend a good site to join.
But again thank you all it did make me smile when i was reading the posts

Buster

[Wayne B]

Buster, there are honest agency owners here on RWD. Richard, Jack and Kevin. Richard and Jack post quite often

[MaxxumUSA]

OK, OK i think i have got the Message ;-)
Thank you all for replying to my letter, think i new the answer but just wanted to be sure and now i am ( still like her pictures ;-) )
She actually contacted me through match .com
I have been looking at Russian Brides. com has any body had any experiences  with this company or even better still can anybody recommend a good site to join.
But again thank you all it did make me smile when i was reading the posts

Buster

Buster - hotrussianbrides.com is 99% just a scam agency in it to get your dollars - and little else.  It is next to impossible to get real contact information for the women from that site.  It took me all of 24 hours to figure this out.

I used ElenasModels.com  - this site has been recommended heavily in the forums.  There are still some scammers there - but most the women there are real women with a real desire to marry a foreigner.

I met my fiancee on that site.  It took me only a week or so to find her - then I visited a month after we started talking on the Internet.

If you get some suspect letters then come back here and ask for advice.

Most - not all - but most russian women on match.com will end up being a scam of some sort.

There are other sites - freepersonals.ru will offer real women and scammers both so you need to weed a little better than on elenasmodels.  But freepersonals.ru is free - and will give you a chance to meet some real russian women to get your feet wet.

Good luck.

[Rvrwind]

Thank you all for replying to my letter, think i new the answer but just wanted to be sure and now i am ( still like her pictures ;-) )

And what makes you think they are 'her pictures'?
RUN FORREST RUN

[ScottinCrimea]

Reminds me, a friend at work told me about 'Bedroom Rodeo' where you indulge in a bit of doggy-style with ur partner, then call out the name of her best friend, sister or mother, see how long you stay on.....

The redneck version is where you reach around with your hands, get a firm grip on her breasts and say, "Wow!, these feel just like your sister's!"

[Gator]

Buster,

Elena's Models is an excellent hands-off agency.  Scammers are rare there; nevertheless, I had a EM woman ask me for money for her sister's operation after she was stabbed (and in the same letter announced she wanted to marry me). 

The only reason to be writing someone is to find one or more women deemed worthy of making a trip to meet them.  With Elena's Models you may become attracted to women spanning 10 different time zones - an impossible trip.  And you will have no hand holding, so you should be experienced with foreign travel.

If you want assistance with travel and meetings, you need to select a personal service agency.   This will limit you essentially to women from one city (there are plenty of women).   Rvrwind manages such an agency. 

As a third option, you could sign up for a tour.  Jack operates a tour service. 

Keep reading the archives here as well as FAQ and other resources.

[I/O]

The redneck version is where you reach around with your hands, get a firm grip on her breasts and say, "Wow!, these feel just like your sister's!"

No No Scott, you have it all wrong, the true redneck version is when you say these feel just like MY sister's.

I/O

[Wayne B]

Hey Hey I/O, I take exception to that...seeing as I don't have a sister....