league and age gaps

[Turboguy]

Condensed version as requested by Dan.

She thinks I am a jerk.

[mspanky]

 I think she's trying to warn "somebody" TG may not be what she thinks he is. He may embelish the  area he lives as industrious and the state his home as more luxurious than reality .  He "may" not always be the innocent victim he portrays and a lot of his trouble can be due o himself and not always the women.

  I think she's also implying TG may be both writting for both vwrw,which  may explain why her English is so good even though she is said to be self taught.

    I hate to say this, but I think Admin should let her have her say as I wish when I was with my ex-fiance,someone would have pointed out her "embellishments". i may not have believed them, but it would certainly have made me keep my eyes wide open and ask more "precise" questions.

   If what ER says is false. It will be easy to verify as TG can simply have his daughter go to his home and take pics of all the rooms to show it is as he says. Also it has bathrooms. vwrw seems to be a girl with high goals. If he is living in the sticks and she has no chance of being the big CEO she wants to be,she should know this now. Because otherwise,she will be in for a huge dissapointment.

 As for the other stuff, that is some pretty big accusations, but stranger things have happened.

[Hub]

The people who write the daytime soap operas are mere beginners.
The people who post here can put those TV people to shame.
I want to try to get the copywrite to this stuff.

[ElaRossa]

ElaRossa,

I admit that I do not fully understand your lengthy posts. Nor can I discern exactly what you are upset about with Turboguy.

What seems abundantly clear is that your sole purpose for participating at RWD is to stalk Turboguy and create difficulty for him - possibly even disrupting his relationship with VWRW. Is that your intent? If not - what, exactly, IS your intent for participation here?

I await your reply.

- Dan

Gator is my witness that I wrote about poor quality of water in Kharkov as well 

People are asking me to put Turbostory in Russian as well. What d'ya think?

Why are you harboring a predator? Do you have a daughter, sister, nice lady for a neighbor,
coworker, friend. Because if you don't, then you may not understand. And I have a mother
that I have not seen in yrs due the harm he did to me for not very honest reason.
and there is always next.

Many members have reasons to question T/G honesty and integrity. Your constant choice to peak me out of the crowd looks discriminating.

I have a misfortune to know Raymond, so is it why you are lecturing me for. Make friends with him and go see for yourself. Take spaceman diapers for a case 

I really respect you duties and responsibilities but you always choose a particular style with me.

[Gator]

Dan,

I think I understand most of it.   It is a combination of two long past threads at RWD:  Antidate's bashing of TwoTallBill and a Turbocharged version of the Wiz-Mirror debates.

The story was confusing at first, but her clue about the snow shovel in the Philippines made everything crystal clear. 

Wxman gave a good description. Other points:  

-  If you are in Pennsylvania and meet a woman named Jeany, RUN AWAY IMMEDIATELY!

-  Ela did not like Ray's positive attitude (everyone was suppose to be feeling sorry for her).

-  Ela loved her ex-husband but for some reason was in a divorce without any means of support (confusing because I always thought the courts protected women in such situation with temporary alimony)

-  Ray offerred Ela a free place to stay that was more like a basic dacha where you must pee in the bushes and brush your teeth at a public toilet (sounds like a dacha I once visited, except it was cleaner than Ray's).

-  Finding work was difficult (but she was good at cleaning).

-  Ray was making trips everywhere and all the time including some to Russia (imagine that)

-  Ray was screwing someone in Russia (I presume he was outsmarting them in business deals and taking their money, unless there is another meaning).



There are some basic details missing such as the relationship over time between Ray and Ela.   Is this a case of a woman feeling rejected that Ray's charity did not include staying in his bedroom, which has a bath and toilet?  Or is this a case of a man taking advantage of a woman when she is in difficult times?  Or somewhere in between?

Do we need to know?  No.

I suppose some of the Turbo-bashers find this titillating, yet I hope most RWD members hold my opinion - this is not RWD business.  

If this does continue, Ela should answer Dan's question.  Also, perhaps some of the RW posters will contact Ela by PM and help sort through this.  

[wxman]

Ela,

The main problem I see, is that we do not know if what you say is true or not. This is not an attack on your personal character, but whether or not any of the accusations are true. People that dislike TG, may tend to believe your words, while others will not.  

What if your ex were to come on this forum and post about you? How would we know what is true or not?

Most of us here know neither TG or you personally, so to me the accusations are just words, as I have no way of knowing what is true or not.  

[Turboguy]

Hub,  VWRW has seen a video walk through of my house.  It was in great detail and she should be fully aware of what is here.   For that mater Son of Clyde has stayed in my house and I am sure if he reads this can give you his impressions.   I do remember him saying that I was a lot neater than he is.  I do have a bathroom and not an outhouse.  

I don't know that I really want to go through all that and try to make sense of it and explain it to everyone.   It would probably make a book as each line is a story unto itself.   Evidently my memory is faulty as well like when she says she could not drive I could swear I recall her following me down in her SUV when I made the second trip for her stuff and stopping in NY at Drunken Donuts for coffee and hooking her up with AAA to switch things over but since she say no I guess my memory must be worst than I thought.  

The house she was not happy with had been rented continually forever.  Proir to my son the previous two tenants were women, one a school teacher who rented the house for 12 years and the lady after her stayed 7 years.  It had a shower but Ela insists on a bathtub.  I told her she could use the tub in the front house but that bathroom was not up to her standards.  My secretary who lives 2 blocks away said she could use their bathroom and that is what she did.   I think they regretted that because Ela locked herself in the bathroom for 3 hours a day and it was their only bathroom.   The same secretary also invited her to Thanksgiving dinner and now if I read things right she is also calling her a sociopath.  

The snow shovel she mentioned is actually posted here a few times in discussions about prenups and divorces.   Basically she spent about $ 10,000 in legal fees arguing over who owned a $ 7.00 snow shovel.  She felt it was her snow shovel and there was no way he would get it.  Besides that he was moving to the Philippines and who needs one there.   I do understand her point.  When you are right you need to fight for what you want and even if it is only a snow shovel if it is yours it is yours.  Some of the trauma she was going though was that she had extremely high legal fees in her divorce and in her immigration battles as well.

I may decode a little more tomorrow but it is bedtime for me now.

[Mir]

From what I can understand Ela was in trouble and TG offered that she can stay with him.
She thinks he said the place he lives is industrial and lots of opportunities to find work.
He brought her over with all her stuff. She realized that there were no chances to find work in his area, she found that there was no bathroom in the house, she wanted to go back but TG got upset and she staid. She cleaned the house. When she decided to go back she lost some books that were dear to her. It looks as she claims that the dish washer and washing machine she had was left at TGs place.
She implies that TG had expected that she will repay his kindness by sleeping with him.
And of course she accuses him of seducing many other women in US and overseas.

Well I am not sure if it is right but that is what I could understand from her posts.

[ElaRossa]

Ela,

The main problem I see, is that we do not know if what you say is true or not. This is not an attack on your personal character, but whether or not any of the accusations are true. People that dislike TG, may tend to believe your words, while others will not.  

What if your ex were to come on this forum and post about you? How would we know what is true or not?

Most of us here know neither TG or you personally, so to me the accusations are just words, as I have no way of knowing what is true or not.  

Good point,

So why don't I follow the legal advice to file against him for the property damage, fraud and lossing resulting due to fraud.
And also report IRS regarding his so called business expense and testify what was in my present.
And send the copies of the motion and he report to Vermont USCIS prior to his inverview.

Judging by his next post he's getting nervous as he's is aware that a losses are very high number, and he's cheap and dishonest.

 

[ElaRossa]

From what I can understand Ela was in trouble and TG offered that she can stay with him.
She thinks he said the place he lives is industrial and lots of opportunities to find work.
He brought her over with all her stuff. She realized that there were no chances to find work in his area, she found that there was no bathroom in the house, she wanted to go back but TG got upset and she staid. She cleaned the house. When she decided to go back she lost some books that were dear to her. It looks as she claims that the dish washer and washing machine she had was left at TGs place.
She implies that TG had expected that she will repay his kindness by sleeping with him.
And of course she accuses him of seducing many other women in US and overseas.

Well I am not sure if it is right but that is what I could understand from her posts.

Oh Lord, I didn't stay because he got upset.

[wxman]

Good point,

So why don't I follow the legal advice to file against him for the property damage, fraud and lossing resulting due to fraud.
And also report IRS regarding his so called business expense and testify what was in my present.
And send the copies of the motion and he report to Vermont USCIS prior to his inverview.

Judging by his next post he's getting nervous as he's is aware that a losses are very high number, and he's cheap and dishonest.

 

If you have basis for your accusations, then you should follow your legal advice. I would think your legal advice would also tell you not to air this out on a public forum for the world to see.

If your accusations(whether true or not) can not be backed up by proof, then you open yourself to a slanderous lawsuit. What you have posted is now public record and can be used against you.

If a crime was committed, then you should stick to the legal avenues. A tit for tat between TG and you on a public forum is not in anyone's best interest.

[vwrw]

Elena, thank you for your intention to rescue me from doing a mistake. Your intention is very noble. Elena, if you recall some more details about Turbo, please send the information directly to me by PM, okay?
However, I lived with Turbo some months and I can see there are points at your posts which are NOT sound. For example you asserted Turbo is untidy. During all the time we were together I had NEVER seen Turbo wearing the same shirt or underwear longer than 8 hours. I will not go into detail. I just say a person who is so much concerned about hygiene as Turbo does canNOT be untidy.   

[wxman]

VWRW,

I tip my hat to you. Very professional way of handling this situation.

[ElaRossa]

Elena, thank you for your intention to rescue me from doing a mistake. Your intention is very noble. Elena, if you recall some more details about Turbo, please send the information directly to me by PM, okay?
However, I lived with Turbo some months and I can see there are points at your posts which are NOT sound. For example you asserted Turbo is untidy. During all the time we were together I had NEVER seen Turbo wearing the same shirt or underwear longer than 8 hours. I will not go into detail. I just say a person who is so much concerned about hygiene as Turbo does canNOT be untidy.   

Looks like with acquisition of my washer and dryer (as well as my sofa, bookcase, recliner, desk, coffee table, conditioner, lamp stand etc.) he was able to improve. I hope he'll keep his new habits in States as well.

I believe you have more than enough details regarding Ray's personality. But you might consider to address Luda about the reasons why when in states she didn't find Ray a right man for her any longer. Needless to say that FSUW have no troubles asking/answering direct question people they don't know. I am sure Ray will be very supportive to this very reasonable idea. Besides it will be a fresher feedback because since I was there in 2004 and upon my escape Ray had to take care about a little house in Ellwood City that was about to collapse and also due to my friendly encouragement was working on his house in Beaver Falls. I hope you'll enjoy you stay there and my furniture as well. I am sure you will be able to persuade Ray to show all of us a gesture of the man and reimburse me my losses not to mention to bring me apologies for the hardship you put me into. My understanding is that you do know what the hardship is so you don't wish any harm to any other woman especially when it comes from the man of your dreams, as well as I wish no trouble to you. Remember about so called FSUW solidarity. Be our peacemaker and we all tips our hats to you.

Out of curiosity - is it you we are have pleasure to read or is Ray or somebody else kindly helping you?

[Mir]

had NEVER seen Turbo wearing the same shirt or underwear longer than 8 hours

So he changes 3 shirts and underwears per day? Now that is unbelievable

[Kuna]

As I seem to be labled as a "Turbo-Basher" rather than a 'TruthFighter" I think I might respond to the suggestion that i think it's titillating.

I guess I find it no more titillating than some found Pike's thread... I don't think either belonged here but as Pike's thread gathered so much support I wonder if we can expect ElaRossa's to be allowed to run too...

On the other hand I think these sort of persona disagreements shouldn't be fought out in RWD... I felt that way when the Wiz/Sofia thing was happening too... Then again Serebo (did I spell that right) can in here under very similar circumstances (a personal feud) and we quickly discovered that she was the one that seemed to always hold the high ground.

This is a difficult one for Dan... Is ElaRossa more like Sofia or Serebo??? 

Would it actally matter to our community if some of the things she says are true?

Gosh...  it is titillating!

[Jet]

But you might consider to address Luda about the reasons why when in states she didn't find Ray a right man for her any longer.

Ella,
I would respectfully suggest you limit the scope of your accusations. There is no need to drag Luda into this as well. My wife had several conversations with Luda prior to her arrival in the US (they are from same area in Russia), and based on that, it is her opinion that Turbo should have VERY LITTLE, IF ANY blame in that not working out. If your intent is to grill Turbo, stick to what happened between you and Turbo, and leave out the third parties.

[BC]

So he changes 3 shirts and underwears per day? Now that is unbelievable

he had them on only while sleeping.. the rest of the time.. well...

 

[ElaRossa]

Hub,  VWRW has seen a video walk through of my house.  It was in great detail and she should be fully aware of what is here.   For that mater Son of Clyde has stayed in my house and I am sure if he reads this can give you his impressions.   I do remember him saying that I was a lot neater than he is.  I do have a bathroom and not an outhouse.  

I don't know that I really want to go through all that and try to make sense of it and explain it to everyone.   It would probably make a book as each line is a story unto itself.   Evidently my memory is faulty as well like when she says she could not drive I could swear I recall her following me down in her SUV when I made the second trip for her stuff and stopping in NY at Drunken Donuts for coffee and hooking her up with AAA to switch things over but since she say no I guess my memory must be worst than I thought.  

The house she was not happy with had been rented continually forever.  Proir to my son the previous two tenants were women, one a school teacher who rented the house for 12 years and the lady after her stayed 7 years.  It had a shower but Ela insists on a bathtub.  I told her she could use the tub in the front house but that bathroom was not up to her standards.  My secretary who lives 2 blocks away said she could use their bathroom and that is what she did.   I think they regretted that because Ela locked herself in the bathroom for 3 hours a day and it was their only bathroom.   The same secretary also invited her to Thanksgiving dinner and now if I read things right she is also calling her a sociopath.  

The snow shovel she mentioned is actually posted here a few times in discussions about prenups and divorces.   Basically she spent about $ 10,000 in legal fees arguing over who owned a $ 7.00 snow shovel.  She felt it was her snow shovel and there was no way he would get it.  Besides that he was moving to the Philippines and who needs one there.   I do understand her point.  When you are right you need to fight for what you want and even if it is only a snow shovel if it is yours it is yours.  Some of the trauma she was going though was that she had extremely high legal fees in her divorce and in her immigration battles as well.

I may decode a little more tomorrow but it is bedtime for me now.

So happened to my nice family poster child picture 

Which house home did you show - in Ellwood City or in Beaver Falls?

My Last clarification as I am not going to get involved in your obviously pissing contest as well as mission accomplished. I don't care what pathological lier wishes say about me.

I was not driving in summer of 2002 when you offered a shelter under my restraining order situation. I was driving in 2004 so was able to make to PA. No miracle here. I don't recall hooking up with AAA, DD or anybody else.

Your daughter and son Rob were shocked that you wanted to put somebody in the house that was vacant for a long. Why would I insisted on the bath, who was I to insist, I don't understand  - Ray I have your email where you say that you need to work on bathtub replacement, but shows schedule were delaying you. There was a bathtub already when we came in the bedroom where you were planning to install all the piping in order to make a bathroom separated by a curtain like studio. You never had intends to work on the project. Ray, unlike me you have not been to the house to your secretary so number 1 for the amount of their bathrooms is wrong. The very fact that you say that I had to go use the bathroom to your secretary's place, by her very kind offer by the way, only reveals that you have kinda a situation with you only bathroom among all pieces of property. Sociopath was addressed to you. Karen is a great lady and we made friends. I always were welcome to her place for lunch, dinner, picknick, to meet her daughter Season. I was invited to have Easter dinner with all the family at her mother's place, and as Karen and I did most of the cooking her sister was trying to engage me into the next party at her place. What do you know Ray, you were in England then, i.e. Russia. I don't recall any Thanksgiving party in April. Ray, you really loosing it.

And here we come
Admin: that snow shovel story is the reason I am here - I just got pissed off when saw this.
Then it was 15000. for 6 dollars shovel and now it's 10000. for 7 dollar shovel and me always bitching for it. WHERE did you get it? We had several shovels, I never used them, I didn't know how much they cost. How do YOU know? Moreover that it was ex responsibility to take care of the snow, when the house was at the very end of 5 aches property the driveway was quite long for a snow shovelling. The was the access to the house through garage. We never did shovel the porch, no need. All to be done with a shovel an access to the fuel tank and electrical meter for courtesy of the serving people. As I was not able to shovel due to the surgery, at the end of the storm I was putting on snowmobile boots and just was stamping the trail. I didn't need nor use any shovel. The point of my conversation with T/G back that about the legal cost issues the snow shovel TRANSFER as example. That instead of ex coming to take it when back from his rest in Philippines I was pushed by lawyers to follow a transfer procedure - to drive to my lawyer to bring the shovel and she would meet other party lawyer to transfer and he would get it back he's client back. I don't know much it might cost. How do you know? How do you know how much we were charged for a hour and how do you know many hours it might took. How do you know where the attnies were to make such an estimation? How do you know if the transfer took place at all? We had a general conversation, you twisted the fact and for no reason represented me as God knows what when I was not even a member here. Every stick two ends Ray.

And my ex moving to Philippines? Did he told you? as I did't. They are too primitive - according to him. But may be just right for you.

[Turboguy]

Would it actally matter to our community if some of the things she says are true?

Gosh...  it is titillating!

As long as it is titillating what does it matter?   One thing that could be of benefit is a view of the perils of what we do.  I am not talking about from my point of view so much as her former husbands.

Her husband had a rather nice life.  The house he brought is new bride to was quite beautiful.  My guess is that if the average person were given a choice of that house or KenC's  about 7 out of 10 would take KenC's and 3 out of ten would take that house.    Of course he does not have that house any more, he lost it due to his marriage, He lost his furniture as well, the SUV and some cash.  He got to keep his tools, his clothes, his mower and his snow mobile but not his snow shovel.   Where is he now.  He left the country.  Why?  because someone was stalking him and making his life miserable.  She got a restraining order on him then chased him all over the place.  

Are there still a few of her things here?   Yes there are.   When I took her back I rented a u-haul at my expense and drove her back at my expense and we took everything we could fit in on that one trip.   When she was there originally she lived in a very large house.  Where she is living now (if she is still where she was) is a smallish apartment.    It was so packed full of stuff that there was not any room for anything else.   I offered to bring the rest of your stuff and you told me not to that you had no room for it.  I said whenever you wanted it to let me know and I would get it to you.   That offer still stands.  Personally your things have been in my way and I think it would be a good idea if I send it with the next driver I have going that way which should be within a few weeks.  I do have two conditions on this.  One is you say as little as possible to him because I really don't want his subjected to abuse.  The second condition is that he will probably need some help unloading.  

I will post this much and then comment on one more thing in a separate post.  I see three new post but I am going to post this before I read them since they are long.

[neo]

Ella

Thanks for highlighting to the uninitiated (unmarried and just starting) members of the forum that RW are not the innocent demure and amenable little homemakers they are often portrayed.

A woman scorned is a thing to be feared irrespective of nationality, and i have long since learnt that Russian Women when suitably scorned are capable of playing much dirtiers than their western sisters and often are more vengeaful.

To any guys clearly still in doubt, beware, Ella is a prime example of what awaits when "things dun gone bad".

Turboguy,

Where do you GET these CRAZEEEEEEEEEEEE WIMMIN from?

is there some special agency you been using or was it loony hour at the social?

Frankly this may just be a case of "no good deed goes unpunished" from TG and i bet hers regretting whatever good intention he may have had to help this bathtub barmpot and her relentless pursuit of her husbands seven buck snow shovel.

- from "good intentioned samaritan" to "predatory furniture robbing international sex maniac who wears dirty underpants".

You just can't make this up can you!!!!

I want the film rights. this is better than "the history of Ukranian tractors"!!!!!

Stay Tuned for the next episode: Another of TG's mysterious pen pals from the past reveals:

Turboguy was on the grassy knoll and fired the shot that killed JFK
Turboguy faked the Apollo Moon Landings
Turboguy was at Watergate
Turboguy was Nixons secret advisor in Cambodia
Turboguy Faked the Turin Shroud
Turboguy brought down the communist party with CIA funds to set up AnastasiaWeb
Turboguy has WMD in his back yard

and finally

Turboguy really is SPARTACUS.....

I'm really not taking shots at you TG, this thread is getting more perverse by the day. is there some sort of national "come to RWD and create a turboguy scandal on this week?"

I think walmart have a hand in this somewhere.

[jb]

Gosh...  it is titillating!

Titillating?  Actually, "disgusting" was more the word that came to mind.  I really hate to see this kind of dirt aired on the RWD, it isn't necessary nor is it useful.  When Ela first started out here I thought she might be headed in another direction with her story. 

T/G has stated more than once that he lives in an old house he paid $3,900.00 for, a fact of which he seems quite proud.  I don't have any personal knowledge or experience with Beaver Falls' economy, but even if he bought the house over 30-40 years ago I can't imagine it was much of a house, even then.  In the 1970's and '80s I was living in the Denver area and a quite modest 3 BR, 2 B, 2 car GR, approx 1500 sq ft house was selling in the neighborhood of $75-90K.  I can only guess Beaver Falls must be the end of the earth if a really decent house could be had for $4K.  Housing markets do slump and peak,,, but not to that extreme. 

I do surmise that Luda may not have been the nut case we've been led to believe.   Although Jet's post indicated she may have not been a suitable match for any AM in search of a mate from the FSU.  This is more of a reflection on T/G's judgement and choices than Luda's sanity.  However, only someone either married to or closely associated with a RW can know how difficult they can be when unhappy.

Will we ever know the truth?  Probably not.  Do we need to know more details?  Absolutely not.

[Turboguy]

I will comment on one more part and then I have to go to work.  Yes, you did have some things damaged.  

The plan we had was for me to make two trips with a 16' flatbed trailer and my pickup.  You had boxed all the small stuff.  The boxes that contained things like pots and pans were all clearly marked.   The ones that contained more important things like the books your husband hand carried back on trips to visit you had no markings and I was never told what was in them.   We had a lot of inside room in your SUV that at first did not exist and now does, and my truck.  However because of no markings and not being told what was in the boxes, things like pots and pans ended up inside where it was nice and safe and the papers and books in boxes in the back of my pickup.  

We wrapped your furnature in plastic and it made it fine (with the exception of the bookcase).   I had suggested you get something like hefty lawn and leaf bags or large garbage bags for the boxes on the trailer.   When I do my shows I carry three tv/vcr combo's that way all over the country without a bit of damage or moisture getting through.   I had not expected you to go to the dollar store to buy them and to get the cheapest bags possible.   I suggested we double bag things because of the cheap bags but you did not want to do that.  We hit some very heavy rains on the way back and yes, unfortunately some things that were very precious to you were damaged.   I have felt very bad about that.  When we were getting stuff ready to pack and I looked at the bags, I thought to myself "oh shoot, Houston we have a problem".  I did not want to hurt your feelings and say anything other than suggesting we double bag which you did not want to do.  Had I known what was in the boxes or had they been marked the damage would not have happend.  Regardless, OK, it was my fault and I feel really bad that the damage occurred.   I can't undo that.

[neo]

The Story of Ella, The shovel and the drunken Gardener.

"When young Ella joined the marriage agency in Moscow, little did she realise that her American dream of a Loving Husband, whirpool bath, Obnoxious kids and an SUV would be brought crashing down by her msystifying love and affection to her favourite shovel"




Ella and Her Husband Shovel Enjoying her new life in america (photo courtesy of DreamHusbands Shovels


Ill admit when i first found Ella in the garage with the shovel i found it hard to take in, i thought i could understand but eventually her love of the shovel drove us apart. I took up drinking and watching daytime TV, its hard to remember those days of Ella in the Garage with the shovel whilst i drunk myself into oblivion with only a second class rake for companionship.


But since ive taken up my new life with a lovely leaf blower from the phillipines i've managed to quit the drink and put my life together again. Ella might have the shovel, the house, the SUV and the full set of matching kitchen knives i bought off the shopping channel during my drunke stupor, but with my 25 watt filipino leaf blower i've realised i can love gardening once more.



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No offence intended to Ella, Husband, the Shovel or TG,  just a bit of humour to lighten the mood round Judge Judys Peoples forum

[Turboguy]

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time Neo.