Spring 2007 photos

[Jack]

 

[Jack]

First four photos,

Nice looking blond out for a Sunday walk and to read a magazine next to the river Dnipper.


Last two, coming and going.

[Jack]

 

[Jack]

This was an interesting site.  On Sovietskaya street in Nikolaev I take the first photo and the lady in the yellow top is looking down and realizes she does not have enough cleavage showing.
 
So in the second shot she gives the blouse a good tug downward.

Oopps, a little to much, not so much clevage showing but she needs to cover that left brest just a little more (photoshop or zoom len's will tell you why:)   By the third shot she has it just right.

[Jack]

   
                 And that my fellow RWD members, is

                                  THE  END

[SANDRO43]

"Pectoral" ...  The degree of the delicate and fine workmanship of this piece astounded world scholars to the point some believed it had to be built by extraterrestrial origin.

They must have been some rather unscholarly scholars, it's a rather typical example of Scythian zoomorphic gold jewelry, known since the times of Peter & Catherine the Greats .

[Jack]

known since the times of Peter & Catherine the Greats . 

Sandro, when one considers this was made some 1500 years (maybe more) before the times of Peter and Catherine, I think most scholars are correct with there astonishment of such fine workmenship.

[Majestic]

   
                 And that my fellow RWD members, is

                                  THE  END

BRAVO! 


Nice photos Jack, thanks! Oh, and in case you have a few more to share...


Encore! Encore!

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, when one considers this was made some 1500 years (maybe more) before the times of Peter and Catherine, I think most scholars are correct with there astonishment of such fine workmAnship.

Certainly, but attributing that to extra-terrestrial influences is not much scholarly, IMO . Scythian archeology was already rather well-established by the 1970s.

[aikorob]

Jack,
My cardiologist would like a word with you.

[Jack]

  Hey aikorob!  Oh great, another medical person. Just have him get in line   

 

  Sandro, I personally have no expressed opinion that would imply that the fine and extensive details of the work shown in this magnificent piece of art was done with extraterrestrial help however when one takes the time to closely examine the details of this chest decor and at the time it was made in history, to me it is quite remarkable.

  Sandro a great many world scholars have looked at this piece.  Most of course do not mention anything to the effect that it was created by un-worldly sources. I wrote "some "world scholars believed, and I would think this would be a small number, by no means anywhere close to the majority of world scholars who have examined this piece, but some scholars believed at this time in world history with the tools they had available it would be difficult to make such art.

  I am sure Sandro you have also heard the same about the building of the Great Pyramid at Giza. Due to it's precise alignment some worldly scholars have also said this could have only been done by extraterrestrial help.  And the same has been said with regards to some of the buildings by the Inca's.

 From one scholar, "Throughout the ages, people of the world have been perplexed by the pyramids of Egypt. One question that arises is that, who, why, and how were the pyramids built. There are many hypotheses for this perplexing question, but three main ones are brought forth: they were made for tombs of pharaohs, aliens built them, or it’s a passage to and from planet to planet."

 "Alien architects built the pyramids. That is one hypothesis well known and excepted, as it has a right to be. It is said that they built pyramids to line up with the stars of Orion’s belt. He goes on to tell me that when Adam and Eve got banished from the Garden of Eden a pyramid on a different planet (Mars) brought them to Earth, as punishment. His proof is that there is a pyramid looking object that is on the exact same latitude and longitude as the great pyramid of Giza. The final piece of evidence is that the three great pyramids of Giza line up just like Orion’s belt, and the Sphinx is the lions head of Orion. Egyptians have a history that supports why they built the pyramids, they thought that by making the pyramid they could go to the afterlife as well as the pharaoh. Another part of his evidence is that there used to be water and vegetation on Mars, which proves that there could have been a garden there. These three hypothesis are: they were made for tombs of pharaohs, aliens built them, or it’s a passage to and from planet to planet."

 So Sandro although most scholars will scoff at the notion that alien's have had any influence in our world, some, a few scholars, feel otherwise.  Unfortunately I am not intelligent enough to go toe to toe with these world scholars and will just read of there writings and keep an open mind.

 

  Sandro I am wondering if you closely looked at some of the fine workmanship in the Pectoral?

 A little information about the Pectoral.  The Pectoral is 12 inches in diameter and is divided into three curving frieze-like sections or panels, each bordered by twisted gold cords. The upper and lower sections show sculpted faunal components, while the central is made up of various curling floral elements.

 In the middle of this section one sees three scenes of horses being attacked by griffins. Further on the right a boar confronts a leopard and a lion, while on the far left a deer succumbs to the same two predators. Even further to the right and left are examples of a hound chasing a rabbit, and in front of the rabbit are two grasshoppers ready to spring toward each other.

 In looking at the lions I was impressed with the fine details which showed each of it's rib's and it's well defined muscles.

 To the right and left of the central group are cows and mares with calves and foals. The realism here also is noteworthy: a horse scratches itself with a hoof, young animals suckle or rest. Interspersed on each side are two other male figures. On the right, a young shepherd milks a ewe; on the left, a young man is shown holding an amphora in one hand, while with the other he prepares to stopper it with a bundle of grass - in the same way that various ancient peoples prevented their milk from souring too quickly.

 The collar is decorated with braiding, ach terminal has the form of a lion head beneath a row of beading.

 In the center of the topmost register two kneeling men stitch a fleece between them. They have long hair to the shoulders, bare upper bodies, trousers, and shoes.
 
  The man on the left, partially turned from the viewer, pulls on the skin with his left hand. His right hand holds a needle, but this becomes evident only when one views the pectoral from the reverse side. The figure on the right sits on his left leg; he, too, pulls the skin taught with his left hand while his right, holds a long needle or awl. The detail on these figures is incredible: individual muscles rippling on the back and arms are easy to distinguish, as are tufts of hairs on the warriors' heads and beards.

 The Pectoral found at Tovsta Moyyla is said to have been made during the mid 4th century. That would mean the age of the Pectoral at around 2000 years old,  some 1700 years before Peter and Catherine.

  Below you will see some good examples of the workmanship of this remarkable 2000 year old jewelry.

[SANDRO43]

I am sure Sandro you have also heard the same about the building of the Great Pyramid at Giza. Due to it's precise alignment some worldly scholars have also said this could have only been done by extraterrestrial help.  And the same has been said with regards to some of the buildings by the Inca's.

Sure Jack, but massive constructions by peoples who did not know the pulley or even the wheel are quite on another scale. Have a look at a couple of Etruscan pieces from roughly the same period (these are dated  530–480 BC), and you'll see that fine goldsmiths were not uncommon at the time (Etruscans being masters of filigree work).   

Sandro I am wondering if you closely looked at some of the fine workmanship in the Pectoral ?

As a matter of fact, I may have seen it directly in Venice, if it was part of an exhibiiton ("The Gold of the Scythians") that toured Europe in the middle 1980s. Can't say for sure, because I was simply overwhelmed by the extraordinary beauty, quality and abundance of those exhibits .

[Jack]

 
  Sandro, I have looked at the two pieces from the 500 BC era and quite frankly, I can tell a lot of difference between these pieces, like day to night in my opinion.  I'm sure it's going to be one of those personal observations where no one is right or wrong but the infallible and meticulous workmenship on the Pectoral I just do not see in these other pieces, but I do agree in that these two are good examples of what was made at that time.

  As far as observing this piece in person, I am jealous of you.  I have been to the Larva several times, hadn't really planned on making another trip, but if the Pectoral is on display there I was planning on visiting the museum this week when I was suppose to be in Kiev.  Those plans have now been changed to December when I hope I can see this beautiful work of art in person.  I am curious to see how close I can get to the Pectoral.

  There was a display of Ukraine art, jewerly and Scythian gold works in the US a few years ago.  The museums lucky enough to host the event also wanted to display the Pectoral but the Ukraine goverment would not allow it, instead they offered to send a copy but the American museums refused saying they wanted to display the real thing.

[mash]

Some pictures posted are a true example of invasion into other people's privacy. If he did it here, he would be in jail. I hope one day he will be where he belongs. Yak!

[ScottinCrimea]

Are we experiencing another invasion by the A-D crew?

[OlgaH]

They must have been some rather unscholarly scholars, it's a rather typical example of Scythian zoomorphic gold jewelry, known since the times of Peter & Catherine the Greats .

Even Herodotus wrote on the Scythians they were very talented and excellent jewelers.

In 1715 Catherine I was presented with the unusual beautiful gold jewelry by Nikita Demidov (a famous Ural owner of mines and metallurgical works). It was the Scythian gold jewelry.  Worrying that the Scythian burial mounds could be robbed, and the treasures of great historic and  cultural  value could be lost without leaving a trace being just melted by thieves, Peter the Great issued the royal decree: all the found ancient objects had to be deeded to the Government.

[SANDRO43]

Even Herodotus wrote on the Scythians they were very talented and excellent jewelers.

I rest my case, then (no UFO goldsmiths, and some unscholarly scholars ).

[OlgaH]

I rest my case, then (no UFO goldsmiths, and some unscholarly scholars ).

There always will be the unscholarly scholars while the aliens are hand-crafting 

Who knows, may be there are some "black holes" in the biography of Peter Carl Faberge 

[mash]

Are we experiencing another invasion by the A-D crew?

you are experiencing invasion of outside people who can tell that whats done here with some pictures of sometimes very young girls (too young maybe) is wrong. And it will be brought to the attention of those who can find the author and correct his attitude  He may lose his job and be under a long investigation for multiple reasons

[Admin]

Some pictures posted are a true example of invasion into other people's privacy. If he did it here, he would be in jail. I hope one day he will be where he belongs. Yak!

Really!?! On what charges would they be "in jail"?

you are experiencing invasion of outside people who can tell that whats done here with some pictures of sometimes very young girls (too young maybe) is wrong. And it will be brought to the attention of those who can find the author and correct his attitude  He may lose his job and be under a long investigation for multiple reasons

Maybe if you make the investment to express your concern so that it may be fully understood, it would be more productive.

Your two posts amount to nothing more than apoplectic threats. You have not provided any basis to help the readership understand the underlying basis for your threats.

I look forward to your reasoned and well-founded explanation of your interpretation of any wrong-doing. Particularly any criminal behaviors (as you imply).

Finally, in a courtroom a short time ago, this was said: "Be careful with hyperbole and exaggerations, as they will most certainly undermine your position with any judge or jury." I suggest you consider these words carefully, as they apply equally to your threats here.

- Dan

[mash]

Admin, this is easy enough. A person went to another country and took pictures of people who a lot of times were not aware of that and posted it with sexual comments. Example is - lady adjusting her cleavage. You want to go outside in your town and try this on AW and then post it with "funny" comments? How many days will it take for you to have your website under investigation when one of those women will see her picture posted and commented? You better worry about what your members do here...

[Admin]

Admin, this is easy enough. A person went to another country and took pictures of people who a lot of times were not aware of that and posted it with sexual comments. Example is - lady adjusting her cleavage. You want to go outside in your town and try this on AW and then post it with "funny" comments? How many days will it take for you to have your website under investigation when one of those women will see her picture posted and commented? You better worry about what your members do here...

mash,

Let's take the more rational approach. Find the specific statute that you feel has been violated. It can be a Russian statute, if you feel that is appropriate - or an American statute - either will work. When you find that statute, please return and post it here.

I look forward to seeing your reply.

- Dan

[mash]

Admin why am I supposed to do your job? You do it here and I will bring it up to where I think it is appropriate if its not done. I will do you a favor though. Here is how your forum member talks about total stranger who doesn't even sees him at the moment:
"This was an interesting site.  On Sovietskaya street in Nikolaev I take the first photo and the lady in the yellow top is looking down and realizes she does not have enough cleavage showing.
 
So in the second shot she gives the blouse a good tug downward.

Oopps, a little to much, not so much clevage showing but she needs to cover that left brest just a little more (photoshop or zoom len's will tell you why:)   By the third shot she has it just right."

And pictures attached! If you think this is a way to talk about women at "RWD" than me and a lot of other women who looked at it have a problem with it. Tell me if this is OK with you...Would you like somebody to do it with your wife?

[Admin]

Admin why am I supposed to do your job? You do it here and I will bring it up to where I think it is appropriate if its not done. I will do you a favor though. Here is how your forum member talks about total stranger who doesn't even sees him at the moment:
"This was an interesting site.  On Sovietskaya street in Nikolaev I take the first photo and the lady in the yellow top is looking down and realizes she does not have enough cleavage showing.
 
So in the second shot she gives the blouse a good tug downward.

Oopps, a little to much, not so much clevage showing but she needs to cover that left brest just a little more (photoshop or zoom len's will tell you why:)   By the third shot she has it just right."

And pictures attached! If you think this is a way to talk about women at "RWD" than me and a lot of other women who looked at it have a problem with it. Tell me if this is OK with you...Would you like somebody to do it with your wife?

mash,

You wrote: "why am I supposed to do your job?"

Nobody is asking you to do my job. You are the only one squawking about some perceived problem - and you imply there is criminal behavior. I merely want you to state, explicitly and unemotionally, the basis for your allegations.

We are quite respectful of the laws of the land, and of individual propriety.

I will provide you a few starting points so that you may conduct your research. Google these terms/phrases:

* Communications Decency Act
* Add "Good Samaritan" clause to that search
* DMCA - Digital Millennium Copyright Act
* Fair Use

Here are a couple of other concepts you should research as well:

* Abuse of Process
* Standing

Now, until you conduct your research and return with a well-reasoned argument to support your beliefs, you need to cease with these silly threats and feeble attempts at fear-mongering.

- Dan

[ScottinCrimea]

you are experiencing invasion of outside people who can tell that whats done here with some pictures of sometimes very young girls (too young maybe) is wrong. And it will be brought to the attention of those who can find the author and correct his attitude  He may lose his job and be under a long investigation for multiple reasons

The fact that this poster didn't have to ask what the "A-D" crew was, tells us all we need to know.  It is a very interesting "coincidence" that suddenly four new RW appear and begin posting to attack posts here, some of which are very old.  I have yet to read any intro from them, a statement as to why they are researching this forum so extensively, or anything positive they have to say about anything that has been posted here.

While I welcome the opinions and experience of RW on this board, if the sole purpose is to disrupt and attack with no attempts at objectivity, then they are better off going back to the gripe sessions at A-D