I need an Honest answer of Multi-Racail American finding Love here.

[worden18]

Hello all,

Thanks for reading this and please give me Honest feedback.

OK through my job I met an American/Russian couple who are real nice people.  They have 2 young children who seem to be fond of me ( for some reason Kids in general like me ).

I made a comment to the wife that I noticed some things in her that I would hope to have in my future wife.  So I got the story how they met over the internet and she said I should have no problem finding a wonderful person as I am kind and good with kids. 
She is the one who got me into looking for my wife overseas as I was still hoping to find some one locally in Seattle. 

In my research I found very few if any that did not want  any one besides Caucasian or European male.  I am German/Swedish/Black and was wondering if the Already difficult task of finding a wife let alone foreign wife would be worth my effort.  100% I am confident if I could honestly talk to them I can show them who I truly am.  However will I get declined from the get go for being Multi Racial. 

I checked Several sites before asking this.  I found few if any who may be open to it in there profile. 

[William3rd]

First- stay away from the romance tour BS. You will strike out for sure.

You need to write to many women so that they have the opportunity to accept or reject you. Those that answer are interested in exploring the relalationship and those women should be your focus. There is a small percentage of women there that will accept the difference.

Or- you can try South America where the rate of acceptance is higher.

Write to many and then refine your focus. Stay away from the romance tours and the "socials."

You might contact Jack Bragg and get his take.

[jb]

worden18,

Have you ever been to Ipanema beach in Rio de Janeiro during Carnaval?

[I/O]

Central and South America IMO would be simple for you, however to your question regarding Russia, you will certainly meet resistance, however the task is not impossible. I do know of 2 cross colour Russian/Western marriages, although I don't know the people personally, I am told that in both cases it is working just fine.

Yes, you will certainly meet with resistance and I would caution you to have a thick skin if you decide on this direction, but at the end of the day, generally speaking, Russian women are not stupid and if you present as a decent guy, ultimately race will be less significant than the quality of the person to at least some of the women. IMO you need to search/consider the available modes of meeting carefully and if you opt for internet sites, you need to present your profile well and demonstrate your credentials as a potential partner/husband/father and friend.

I have noticed a number of Russian people are not openly against other races, but are, to a more or less extent curious and if one considers this carefully, it is probably from a novelty perspective so to say, thus it would be fair to assume that those people would not seriously consider a relationship across races.

Be warned, this is a very tough row to hoe whichever way you look at it.

FWIW

I/O

[Nando]

In Brazil or South America it would be much easier for you. No problem for most of Brazilian women, so I agree completely with Jb.

In Ukraine you are going to face a lot of problems trying to find a woman. I talk about Ukraine because it is the country I know. You can find many who politely talk with you but to be your wife one day, well the chances are small.

However it is your life and you have the right to do what you want, but it will be a tough road.

[Serebro]

My ex University groupmate has been married to a black american guy for 2.5 years by now, they seem to be happy.(they live in Connecticut, if it's important)
When I was on many DA I wrote letters to black men, too but I never got responses (at all) so I thought that  my type didn't attract them at all.But I thought it could be ok, though my mom would have probably been a little shocked.
PS:another thing that you may not like when you are in Russia is people's attention. We don't have too many black people in Russia.The smaller the town the bigger attention.

[Mir]

I am German/Swedish/Black

Well the Germans and Swedes are not too keen on non-caucasian marriages either, so I see no reason why you cannot find a wife in Russia.
Remind the Russians that their greatest ever literary figure had a Black-African grandfather.

[jb]

I think it is very rather disingenuous on the part of certain members to encourage the original poster at this juncture of his search.   Is this yet another attempt by the rah-rah cheerleaders to send another newbie out onto the ice where it's too thin?   Are we so PC that telling him the truth is beyond us?  His thread title asked for "Honest" answers,,, why can't some people do him that service?

worden, the simple truth is; our poster girl, Serebro, has stated a preference for black men.  I encourage you to write to her.  Who knows, you guys might hit it off...   What I do not encourage is for you to blindly go charging about, chasing FSU agency girls, wasting thousands of dollars, and months of your time, in a pursuit that over time will likely leave you empty handed with crushed dreams and a sorely depleted wallet.  There are very few women in Russia that aspire to a multi-racial marriage.  Mostly they want a family that looks like they do.  That's the honesty of it. 

I, and others, have gently attempted to steer you towards Brazil, there you will find a greater percentage of beautiful women who would look upon such a union much more favorably.

One question, do you own a passport at this time?  If not, I suggest you consider applying for one ASAP, there is a pretty long lead time in getting a new passport these days. 

[BillyB]

In my research I found very few if any that did not want  any one besides Caucasian or European male.  I am German/Swedish/Black and was wondering if the Already difficult task of finding a wife let alone foreign wife would be worth my effort. 

Worden, you already understand you have an uphill battle. That's a good thing you know your odds. Few RW will accept you but I have seen success stories, although very "few" at agencies between black men and RW. One black man was darker than the inside of a coffin on a moonless night!

There are many other women out there from different countries you can meet who will accept you easier for who you are but can you get a hard on for them? If not, I don't recommend marrying anyone you're not attracted to.

Bride.ru  may be a good place to start and not tremendously expensive and is not an agency who will sometimes fabricate letters on the ladies behalf giving you false belief that the RW are interested in you. Write to a lot of women but if you don't find success, then you need to rethink your strategy or you will be single for a lot time coming.

As far as writing lots of women, you can pick up a few tips and the warnings of the writings of insincere women here in a thread I wrote pertaining to finding my fiancee. Always keep in mind, there are insincere women out there that want to use you for your money or a free trip to the promise land.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1303.0

[Simoni]

I think it is very rather disingenuous on the part of certain members to encourage the original poster at this juncture of his search.   

JBs advice is accurate from my experience.  All the Russian girls I have known, and dated, are prejudiced  against Blacks, regardless of the racial mix.  It's sad but true.  It's the result of what  the Soviet system told their people about Blacks. 

And having none or very few blacks in the fsu,  they have no experience to alter their opinion.   The good news is that changes as they get to know Blacks here; we have a number of Black friends. But that will not help a guy seeking an fsu girl in the fsu.  It's a long shot.

Go the South American route.

[KenC]

Does anyone here remember "Blackman" from RWG?  Anyone know how his quest turned out?  It might be relevant to this topic.
KenC

[BC]

Well the Germans and Swedes are not too keen on non-caucasian marriages either, so I see no reason why you cannot find a wife in Russia.

Actually I saw quite a number of mixed marriages in Germany over the years - All seemed well tolerated/adjusted.  Also, surprisingly quite a few in the south-east USA.. - good looking 'home-grown' blondes too in what I would think is a rather 'harsh' redneck environment.

Different strokes for different folks.. A few Italian males I know have at least temporary desires for African women but in the long run 'Mamma' would probably object, at least initially.

My ex University groupmate has been married to a black american guy for 2.5 years by now, they seem to be happy.(they live in Connecticut, if it's important)

I would think acceptance of the relationship in the new home would be quite important..  This venture is tough enough as it is without adding additional hurdles.  Being 'odd' is ok for a short while, but with time it can really get to you (we are both immigrants here). Quick assimilation and acceptance into the local community helps tremendously.

[Gator]

Worden,

Much depends upon whether your skin color is indeed black, or "tan" as my son called his best friend when a little kid (Austrian-African descent).  IMO lighter colored skin would be welcome by more RW than some of the above posters realize.

If you have good facial features as well and a high education, you may be surprised at your welcome.   

Post your photo on dating agency sites that encourage women to write, and you should receive a few nibbles.  It does not cost much.  If you get rejected, so what - the women are the losers, not you.

BTW, what exactly did you find appealing in the RW?

[Todd]

I would suggest posting your profile with a couple of pictures but do not mention your racial heritage until
it comes up in conversation.  See what responses you get and take it from there.

One personal observation:  I taught the top 100 SAT under represented minority students.  They had an
average SAT score of about 1500 out of 1600.  One thing that I noticed is that while they tended to self
segragate into different racial groups, they had far more in common than an average high school student
anywhere in the US.  Thus, if you decide to pursue this, look for women that you have the most in common with.


Todd

[Jet]

Does anyone here remember "Blackman" from RWG?  Anyone know how his quest turned out?  It might be relevant to this topic.
KenC

Not sure....IIRC he spent an extended period of time in Ukraine, 6+ months. I do know Wesley and his wife Lora are still going strong after 5 yrs together.
pic: http://www.russianwomenforums.com/showlargephoto.cfm?showphoto=mini601/thumb_Crop%20Photo%209.jpg

[corp]

LAst I heard BLACKMAN gave up on the FSU and went "south of the Boarder".
Not sure how that turned out, but I spoke to him on the phone when i was in Kiev
once and he was a real helpful guy and a real Gentleman.

[corp]

It may well be that Worden, is looking for a white woman, I mean, lets be honest, you don't go to russia looking for variety.
 If this is the case directing him to South America will be of little help.
 If Worden's goal is not a "white wife" but a more traditional type female then  S. America might do... however my first choice for him would be perhaps the "philipines" (why can I never recall how 2 spell that correctly).

 They have some very sweet ladies who are very much interested in marriage and from what I have seen, Race is not often an issue for many of them.

My advice is based on the premise that you drill for oil where you are most likely to find it.

[mdforme]

YES, YES and Yes!

Sorry if this comes too late but it might help others who may be wondering

I am a blackman successfully married to a Russian woman for 2 years now and our only child (first for both of us) is 4 months old.

My preference has always been for Caucasian women. Even here in America, people do not think a white woman would marry a blackman but the trend is more acceptable now than it was a few year ago. It took courage from individuals on both sides to make it happen, you cannot rely on what naysayers tell you. Not too long ago it was a crime in America-remember Mr. & Mrs. Loving Vs Virginia (1959). It erased the antimiscegenation laws in America!

The parents were nice to me and welcomed me to their home from day 1, her mom has visited with us 4 times now.

Like every thing else that is "not mainstream" you have naysayers, so it depends on you. I will tell you that when I asked the same question at the AFA they discouraged me and referred me to South America. However, they have had some black men go through them too.

I was not discouraged because I knew of a few black men married to Russian women, the parents were also said to be supportive.

If you have the means and the will, you will be successful and do your home work like every one else and of course you will find those who like blackmen. It is not a needle in a hay stack issue or you could argue finding the right partner is one of the same complexity.

Goodluck and let your heart, mind and God guide you to the right woman .

[streklor]

when i lived in moscow i knew a cameroonian teacher who would go with my friend and i to the clubs.  Here are the facts:

many girls will be curious for a short fling with someone who is different colored skin and exotic...... but very very few will want you for marriage.

the soviet union was kind of multiracial: georgian, kazan, armenians, people who are not what they call "clean russians".  but now you have to be careful because many russians (fully white russians) want foreigners out and are attacking black people on the street in certain areas of moscow. moscow is always worse for hating all foreigners but if you are dark skinned italian or part black you could get attacked don't doubt this for a moment.

i think you are asking for trouble.   

[mdforme]

For your information, racial crimes is not exclusive to Moscow or Russia..........a sad story of mankind!!!

You do not have to go to Moscow to killed by criminal racist bigots....we have them in America, Africa (it called Tribalism over there), Europe and every where we as humans are. However, the good news is that there are heartwarming, redeeming stories every where as well. It is not mainstream but the evidence is there for the few that are interested and "Streklor" is is not for you and further more you do not speak for all Russian women....otherwise none of them will be happily married to Blackmen.

Please be aware that we are "all asking for trouble" for wanting to get married.........the numerous divorced couple will confirm that.
The Russians were also asking for trouble when they were racing the Americans to space....risks should be put in perspective...you can say we all stand a risk of dying as long as we are alive.....remember that.


Your negative view does not and can never undo my positive experience.....I am living a positively happily married life with my Russian wife for 2 1/2 years and my Black colleague has been married to his Russian wife over 40 years now. 

I do acknowledge this is not for everyone. However naysayers like you should not be allowed to say that interracial marriages or relationships are impossible or full of trouble more than any other marriage as you do not have the qualified experience or knowledge to say anything about such relationships. Just as I cannot reasonable advice anyone about a gay relationship, no matter my opinion because I have never been in a gay relationship and do not have any qualifying experience or knowledge for that matter.

Prior to been married I dated white girls exclusively and I called off three close engagements with white women for good reasons.

[Ronnie]

To be brutally honest, if you are financially well off, you will find and FSU wife with only little resistance.  Tiger Woods could have had his pick of women from any race.  He chose agruably one of the world's most desirable woman...a Swedish model.

If Barack Obama becomes president of the United States you will instantly find your color to be an asset!  Better yet Michael Steele, but he's not in the race

[Taz]

This is an interesting topic. I can say that it isn't impossible for a black man to find love in the FSU but it will definitely more challenging. I have found that in general, Russians tend to be very racist. I think though it has helped when you have songs like "Shokoladni Zaets" sung by a person of dark skin (Cameroon) become popular.

I absolutely not racist nor sexist and it sometimes is disgusting how I see the militia specifically target anyone with "darker" skin. There is a lot of prejudice and it will take a pretty special woman with a very tolerant family to make this work. I am not saying it can't be done but it will not that easy either. If you are muslim, black or asian you are starting at a definite disadvantage. Regardless I wish everyone success regardless of their ethnicity or religious background.

[ISORW]

There are disadvantaged, and then there are disadvantaged.  Blacks and muslims/arabs typically are the most disadvantaged.  Asians are not so disadvantaged, but will find there odds are not as good as a Caucasian man. I know my g/f never considered an Asian man as mate material until she met me - but neither was she prejudiced against them.  In her words, she lumped them into a rough grouping that included her brothers and male relatives - perfectly fine to be friendly with but not someone she would consider for marriage or dating.  I would not tell a black or arab man not to go there, but he better either be financially well off or be willing to put up with a lot of rejection.

[evaljean]

If you have little problem in your own country you will have little problems in other countries.

If you've got game, then you can handle it, regardless of color.

Find women interested in you, out of 10,000 women if you only get 1% interest that is still 100 women, more than you can likely handle.

Go for it!

Eric

[Taz]

I have an acquaintance who is dark skinned and married to a Ukrainian woman. It can be done but be truly prepared for how racist they can be in the FSU. It can be far worse than what I've seen in the US. He literally has people who follow him around a store because they think he is going to steal stuff. That is how I met him.

He was screaming "Get the fyk away you fykers! I have money to pay for this. I am not going to steal anything!" That is how I met him while in a store in Ukraine. I heard this all in English and I rush to see if I could help. Apparently he is discriminated at almost every store he goes in.

Regardless he did find a nice RW to marry. They now have a beautiful soon. The problem is the in-laws. They alternate between calling him and arab to the "n" word. Whomever they happen to be the most ticked off as far as race at the moment, they call him. So if they are mad at the arabs, he's an arab. If they don't like blacks at the moment then he is a n...er. I felt pretty bad for him and tried to intervene on his behalf with her parents.

Bottom line is they are a bunch of racist SOBs. I wish you well in your pursuit. I think the ultimate payoff is worth it though.