Could this all be true?

[Makkin]

  Zeus your in the game and at the starting line. You have taken the first steps and receieved criticism from the board. My gut instinct tells me that you are going forward and will do better than many men have done.  GO FOR IT ! ! !

Makkin

[Gator]

Zeua,

Stop the hypotheticals.  Stop the debate with RWD members.  Instead, start looking for your woman.  Use the keywords in the agency search prorams to find a woman who may like the wilderness life of Alaska.

You may do well.  You may not.  But only talking about it is not the answer.

In 15 minutes, I found several candidates (note - I do not attest as to the agency's reputation, and in fact some of the lassies lookmlike trouble).  

Please notice that while each woman is into hunting or shooting (and one even said "virgin nature"), all have an intellectual side which may not be your cup of tea (you do drink tea, because these women love their chai).  This is what is interesting about many RW - an adventurous side yet a yearning for something intellectual.

http://www.russian-women.net/ladies/ky2051.shtml

fishing, hunting, shooting in a target (usually 50 meters) but wants intellectual man

http://www.russian-women.net/ladies/ss4900.shtml

likes shooting but wants interesting converstions

http://www.russian-women.net/ladies/yo6601.shtml

Likes hunting ducks but listens to classic music and adores chess.

http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=8580008

Likes shooting and b-ball, but studies modern European dancing

Here are some others.  There are many agencies with such search programs.


http://aprettywoman.com/d.cgi/2912B4494196324.164.5.2551158962664

http://aprettywoman.com/d.cgi/2912F8954196324.164.5.2551158962664

http://aprettywoman.com/d.cgi/291208124196324.164.5.2551158962664

http://aprettywoman.com/d.cgi/2912Y3744196324.164.5.2551158962664

http://aprettywoman.com/d.cgi/2912W9484196324.164.5.2551158962664

OTOH, I think it is best that you keep correspondence to a minimum and just go to a provincial city and use an agency to meet many women.  The colder the climate the better.

[I/O]

 This is what is interesting about many RW - an adventurous side yet a yearning for something intellectual.

Gator: Excellent observation. I can confirm this absolutely. Wife has two higher educations and dearly loves to debate me on some useless philosophy which is way to deep and meaningful to be any practical use to anyone and OTOH she just loves following the tiny lizards which live in my back garden around just for the sake of enjoying their natural behaviour.

I/O

[Kuna]

Well thanks for the input, but I disagree with your statement about how you think I'll never find a Russian. I probably won't be able to get one of the same types of Russian girls you get, but you and I are very different and the girls we will be looking at are also going to be very different.

My grandmothers maid is from the FSU, and we got along just fine, so I'm not completely inexerienced from people with the FSU, I've met one. Also I was friends with a family from Bonsnia when I was growing up, I met their extended family who could bearly speak english. Not entirely sure if Bosnia is anything like the FSU though....

I'm also inclined to think that FSU women aren't all the same like certain people here make them out to be. They may come from the same culture, but they are all going to have different personalities and different criteria for a husband.

You may not like me, but that doesn't mean they won't. I'll be sure to send you wedding photos even if I don't post here anymore by that time.

You're a crack up... you really are!  If it weren't so sad it'd be funny!

1. Finding a Russian?  EASY!  Developing enough mutual understanding, respect and love - and sustaining it will be your challenge;

2. Your grandmothers maid is from FSU and you get along fine.  As long as your wife is "just a maid" it should all work out well for you then!   

3. " I met their extended family who could bearly speak english"... Just like you then huh? 

4. "I'm also inclined to think that FSU women aren't all the same like certain people here make them out to be." Wow!  Something has sunk in! 

5. "They may come from the same culture, but they are all going to have different personalities and different criteria for a husband." 

FSUW are indeed individuals but I believe all good FSUW will look for the same basic things... Safety, securing, and an opportunity to blossom and excel.  Good FSUW are driven to be great - and you had better be ready for that! They are seeking a loving relationship without violence with a respectful gentleman who earns his respect - not demands it. They won't be impressed by boasting or bragging... they'll just think you're weak and stupid.

6. "You may not like me, but that doesn't mean they won't."  It's not about me liking you or not. Foolishly, we are here giving advice to a guy who's clearly out of his league and the gentle suggestions haven't sunk in.  I'm merely trying to talk in a way that might get some reality into your head... maybe it's the only way you can learn.  You MAY find a FSUW that "likes" you...  but I think you're way out of your league if your posts to date are any indication of the substance within.

7. Don't worry about sending the wedding photos.  Send photos after 5 years! I'm only recently married and the only success I feel is the success of surviving on this journey so far.  After marriage I know we ALL have even bigger challenges ahead before we can claim "success".  I suspect you under-estimate almost everything associated with this journey.

After everything I've said above I still remind myself you're only 24... so very young...  and that will be your biggest challenge with the good FSUW.  They won't believe you're ready for a marriage and your prior conduct will just about prove it to them.

Kuna

[Christian]

First misquoting Trojan war history, now mixing elementary arithmetic and Euclid. You ARE very confused, and the purpose of your presence here is increasingly obscure, apart from beng quite valueless .

Sandro,

I went back to see what your problem was with my sentence regarding Helen, Paris and the number of ships.  Apparantly, since English expresses itself on the basis of word order and not on inflection I can see how my use of the participle "launching" would be ambiguous.  I also must confess that I did not have the reference from the Iliad in mind when composing my post (rather an English poem) and since only I know what I meant, you cannot possibly know what I intended therein.

I have also noticed that you enjoy referring to the ancients.  Do you know classical Greek and Latin?  Perhaps Koine and NT Greek?  If you rely upon translations for your knowledge base you might be mislead.  But the point I wish to make here is about 3% of ancient Athens could read such authors as Plato - somewhat analogous with the readership here at RWD being versed in Greek and Latin literature.  Is there a Milton among us?  It resembles Philadelphia (not in Asia Minor, but the ole US of A) which has so much culture to offer while its populace is 60% illiterate.

I do wish you in your high and loftly ivory tower in Milan would once consider us, the vulgar plebs and know that our opinion is swayed by almost any seemingly plausible nonsense.  The mob is still the mob - you know.

Ahhhhh, Milan, the city of St. Ambrose and friend of St Augustine!  I deem not pompous pretense in their pen - my dear Sir.

Christian

[Christian]

Christian,

I am not sure if you are paying attention, but I see at least a half dozen guys - all respected, and some very long-time, members of RWD who are saying essentially the same thing about being "fed up" with you.

At some point, a rational person will look around and recognize when there is a chorus of critique. Those who are interested in effective communications, will then endeavor to make some changes.

I suggest you take a VERY hard look at the criticism you are receiving - and what you can do about it. Soon.

- Dan

Its the fundamental difference in worldview Dan.  It is hardly a lack of exercise in prudence.

Yes, the oligarthy frowns - but so what.  I have no reasonable cause to convert to their side.  They are still the minority - though seasoned in God knows what.

Christian

 Playing 'games' with RWD and her members.

[Admin]

Its the fundamental difference in worldview Dan.  It is hardly a lack of exercise in prudence.

Yes, the oligarthy frowns - but so what.  I have no reasonable cause to convert to their side.  They are still the minority - though seasoned in God knows what.

Christian

Christian,

Do you care to be understood?

Do you care to be effective on your written communication here at RWD?

- Dan

[SANDRO43]

I have also noticed that you enjoy referring to the ancients.  Do you know classical Greek and Latin?

I can still recall a few things from my school days, and this little bit seems quite apropos in your case:

Μέ εν αλλά όλιγε λέγε, αλλ'εν όλιγοις πολλά

[Jazzyclassy]

      You did brag. When debating guys here, and many of us had our heated moments, I don't pull rank by listing mental achievements and physical abilities. I hope to win a debate with facts and common sense. Zeus, in high school I had the record for most sit-ups and held a record with a relay team. I got second place in the Maryland State bowling tournament in 1984. I've scored in the top 1% in the nation on some of those national tests they give out in school.    

So what, let the boy brag , he is young and that's normal , I bet most of you guys are just jealous that he appeared on this board when it is almost impossible as it is occupied by our oldies
The thing is he can easily find a girl if he is enough patient , really does what he sais , do not through his words just like that and  really if he can be more cool tempered , everything could be successful.

It is not easy to find a  good russian girl the same as to find a good foreign man. It takes a lot of personal work . I think it would be hard for me to marry my husband if I did not devote a lot of time to him , if we both were not in love  and  yes (in some thread I remember telling that if people love each other language is no important , so I was wrong, level of english language is really important unless the guy knows russian then it is not that big of a problem , but go and find such guy who will know russian fluently )  if I knew english on some really elementary level , he would never married me

I think Zeus should read more here and try to percept the information, and also go and read DKMM's thread about his broken relations( train wracks)  , it will be very useful for you

[I/O]

I remember telling that if people love each other language is no important , so I was wrong, level of english language is really important unless the guy knows russian

Good comment...!!! Glad some of us managed to convince you of this or at least you became convinced through your own experience. Isn't it interesting, the more we communicate with our partner, the more we understand how important it is to have the means to do just that. Rarely have I seen anyone with real practical experience discount the need for mutual language.

I/O

[deccie]

They certainly like a spirted debate now, don't they?  At least mine does.
KenC

After having just returned from a two week trip with my fiance I began to think of these words of KenC and I/O.

Of course one of the characteristics of being with another strong willed person is that you Don't get to choose what and when they exercise those opinions.

While that is as it should be I don't think I will forget the last two arguments we had, as I/O alluded to - primarily about unimportant b/s.

One argument was about how to peel a mango  - of all things.

The second was getting her to go through her bags to find a mobile phone charger which she could not remember me giving her. and even when it fell out of her bag in her hands she still maintained her position....

[Jazzyclassy]

After having just returned from a two week trip with my fiance I began to think of these words of KenC and I/O.

Of course one of the characteristics of being with another strong willed person is that you Don't get to choose what and when they exercise those opinions.

While that is as it should be I don't think I will forget the last two arguments we had, as I/O alluded to - primarily about unimportant b/s.

One argument was about how to peel a mango  - of all things.

The second was getting her to go through her bags to find a mobile phone charger which she could not remember me giving her. and even when it fell out of her bag in her hands she still maintained her position....

That is normal , it is called natural woman, women are all like that no matter russian or english or french or canadian they got all those features standing their ground even if they are wrong, you gotta accept women how they are if you want to be with women of course

[KenC]

That is normal , it is called natural woman, women are all like that no matter russian or english or french or canadian they got all those features standing their ground even if they are wrong, you gotta accept women how they are if you want to be with women of course

Sorry Jazzy,
As much as I hate to break our current string of agreeing posts, I have to respectfully disagree with the highlighted statement.  I have been with many AW that are a lot less "spirtited" than you suggest.  I am sure there are "calm" women every where too.
KenC

[SANDRO43]

So Stephen Decatur's famous toast:

QUOTATION: Our country! In her intercourse with foreign nations, may she always be in the right; but our country, right or wrong.   
ATTRIBUTION: Stephen Decatur (1779–1820), U.S. naval commander. Toast proposed at a banquet in Norfolk, April 1816, Virginia to celebrate Decatur’s victory over Algerian “Barbary pirates.”

should be amended to:
"Our women! In our intercourse with foreign women, may they always be in the right; but our women, right or wrong."

Cheers/Za sdarovye !

[deccie]

I have to agree with Ken.

I have had the good fortune to work for two great female bosses who have been amongst the calmest, most logical people I have ever known.

Neither was post hormonal either. In fact one later left her work to go away and have a string of kids.

[deccie]

So Stephen Decatur's famous toast:

should be amended to:
"Our women! In our intercourse with foreign women, may they always be in the right; but our women, right or wrong."

Cheers/Za sdarovye !

I prefer Robert Anson Heinlein's quote from "Time enough for love":
(Referring to a man arguing with his wife...)

"If in an argument, you discover you are right, apologise at once!"

[KenC]

I prefer Robert Anson Heinlein's quote from "Time enough for love":
(Referring to a man arguing with his wife...)

"If in an argument, you discover you are right, apologise at once!"

TFF!!!!
I have found that I have to wait until the following day to find out if I won the argument with Lena!
KenC

[deccie]

On a slightly related note - i.e. the mango argument. Has anyone else struck the "problem" that some people struggle with the idea there can be multiple solutions to solve a problem and all of them can be equally correct?

I know Phil who posts here told me his Nina struggled with the notion there was more than one "correct" way to cook sausages. My lady was quite definte that there was only ONE way to peel a mango and hence since i was not using that method by definition I MUST have been "wrong". How one can be "wrong" about peeling a fruit yet not make a mess and arrive at the required destination - i.e. an intact and peeled mango - elluded me as well.

[I/O]

Deccie: Now let me get this straight, you come from Aus (Mangos are quite prevalent) and she comes from Russia where they are perhaps not so common. (Available nevertheless) She knows the ONLY way to peel a mango and you are not "correctly"?

I'll have a quiet 50 on it with you that next time she is eating mangos with friends or family (In your absence) she will be telling them about the only correct way to peel a mango and that is the way her B/F does it. I'll toss another 50 on it that she will be speaking with just the same passion as she was arguing with you. Get used to it, you are looking at your future.

I have found that I have to wait until the following day to find out if I won the argument

Listen up to this one and tuck it away for the future. It is spot on IME also.

I/O

[BC]

I purchased some of the best darn potato peelers that exist.  We can take two potatoes of the same weight, peel them cleaner than a whistle and my potato will be twice the size of hers.  She is still not convinced and I gave up trying to convince her that the peeler was better than her knife.

but hey.. it's all small potatos

[deccie]

Deccie: Now let me get this straight, you come from Aus (Mangos are quite prevalent) and she comes from Russia where they are perhaps not so common. (Available nevertheless) She knows the ONLY way to peel a mango and you are not "correctly"?

I/O

Good summary I/O. Yep, that's what happened.  They also cut watermelons, pomergranates and even tomatoes differently than what I am used to. Showing them how to cook prawns was completely new to them though so I wasn't challenged over that one at all. (-: 
We even have different methods of washing the dishes so when it's my turn to do them I hassle her out of the kitchen to leave me alone.

I keep telling her she should not care about my method only that they are done, clean and the kitchen is left tidy. I think when we live together we will get a dishwasher. It will save arguments.

[KenC]

Good summary I/O. Yep, that's what happened.  They also cut watermelons, pomergranates and even tomatoes differently than what I am used to. Showing them how to cook prawns was completely new to them though so I wasn't challenged over that one at all. (-: 
We even have different methods of washing the dishes so when it's my turn to do them I hassle her out of the kitchen to leave me alone.

I keep telling her she should not care about my method only that they are done, clean and the kitchen is left tidy. I think when we live together we will get a dishwasher. It will save arguments.

Oh, you have much to learn, Grasshopper!
 
KenC

[BC]

Good summary I/O. Yep, that's what happened.  They also cut watermelons, pomergranates and even tomatoes differently than what I am used to. Showing them how to cook prawns was completely new to them though so I wasn't challenged over that one at all. (-: 
We even have different methods of washing the dishes so when it's my turn to do them I hassle her out of the kitchen to leave me alone.

Yes, those are lovely times..  soapy sponge and constant running water.. thank goodness we have a well and solar water heater.

[deccie]

Oh, you have much to learn, Grasshopper!
 
KenC

I know, I know....

I am currently trying to avoid getting sucked into a domestic dispute between mother and daughter tonight. *sigh*.

Gawd, when Russians fight they REALLY fight!

[I/O]

  LOL this is halarious...!!! BC: yep.....!!! No water shortages in Russia lol. Deccie: Dishwasher won't solve the problem, mine had one in Russia, but she'll wait and wait, it is much too expensive to use more than once per day. Of course running water for 30 minutes to clean 5 cups and a plate costs nothing.

OH man, have you got it all in front of you or what....!!!!!! If your RW leaves your kitchen tidy, then count your blessings. Personally I have never been such a great subsciber to the notion of RW's domesticness. They have their passions in this respect, but they sure ain't the be all and end all when it comes to house keeping. However to be fair, there is a difference between keeping a house and keeping an apartment.

FWIW Deccie, I've found the best way to get what you want or have your suggestion upheld is to avoid engaging in a discussion and simply demonstrate without making too much of a point. Just be pig headed and do it. Mostly, although she won't admit it, she'll watch and pick up the best of your ideas.  Wait a day or two and watch her doing the same thing again and very often you'll notice the technique has changed. If it doesn't, don't sweat it.

I/O