Ask me, I've done it! and have been married for 3 years happily!

[Eduard]

As to the question whether there are too few such women in the FSU (and your statement that they are virtually nonexistent), you contradict yourself. Particularly your statement that FSU women are highly intelligent and educated, many with two degrees. The definition of a highly educated professional nowadays naturally includes fluency in 1 or 2 foreign languages. English is the most popular foreign language to learn in the FSU. As to the statistics, a gave my own in the previous post - absolute majority of my girlfriends are at least as fluent in English as I am. Out of 12 of them only two have a degree in linguistics. I am a historian, btw. 
Btw, as I stated before, my English level was pretty much the same as it is now when I met my husband 2 years ago 

Now you are totally missquating me!!! I never said that they are virtually non-existant! I did say that there are professional translators and english professors who teach at colleges who are usually pretty fluent. But come on now, think!!! how many single professional english translators and professors are advertising on dating sites and looking for a man??? They do exist and in my 6 years of doing this I came across several, but they are far and in between!
Your statement that I contradict myself by saying that most women are very well educated yet not nessessarily fluent in english...doesn't make any sense! English is a specialty. Yes almost everyone who goes to school and college studies english, but unless English is their major, the level of their english is usually very poor. and when they don't use it after they are done with school they pretty much forget most of what they learned... your statement that all or most well educated women in Russia speak good english is simply not true. I know many highly educated men and women in Moscow that either don't speak at all or have very limited knowledge of english. I'm having a very hard time believing you that all 10 of your girlfriends, who live in Russia speak fluent english...sounds unreal to me unless they majored in english in school.
Come on guys, haven't any of you tryed to find a RW who speaks fluent english?? What was your rate of success with that??? Would love to hear from you!!!

Btw, as I stated before, my English level was pretty much the same as it is now when I met my husband 2 years ago 

now this is really hard to believe! I was studying english since i was 7 y.o. and went to a special english school where english was a priority and most children of diplomats went to this school. I thought then that I was pretty fluent, untill i came to the USA. Once I was here I realised that I had a lot to learn. My first wife was American and we were together for 15 years, that's what helped me reach the fluency that I enjoy now. The fact that I studied grammar, spelling and all the basics in school since I was 7 didn't hurt either. My american wife used to ask me to help her with the spelling! LOL

[Daveman]

Now you are totally missquating me!!! I never said that they are virtually non-existant!

Eduardo, you sure you're Russian? I thought Russian men wouldn't get rattled by this.. 

I think you'd also have a decent business opportunity as a "finder". Just find these women, set up the communication and facilitate if necessary, but then let them meet on their own. 

Come on guys, haven't any of you tryed to find a RW who speaks fluent english?? What was your rate of success with that??? Would love to hear from you!!!

Well, as Pitbull mentioned... most all the international dating sites allow search filtering to list only those members with a specific level of English.  So, a filtered search will provide the list.

Personally, I've gone to meet two who speak good to fluent English... one who did not.  With the first two, though not resulting in marriage, felt like I was at least in the room with the light on.  The third  I felt in the dark much of the time. It is highly unlikely that I would personally pursue another woman who cannot speak my language unless I become very good to fluent in hers.  It's just too much of a pain in the ass not to be able to understand each other on a deeper level.

popka bolna free communication... that's the ticket! 

Also, many ladies who are more fluent with English, while claiming they're not, are simply out of practice and will amaze you at how quickly they begin to improve after a few conversations.

Dave

[Shadow]

Eduard my fiancee speaks English well enough to talk about any subject. Admitted she has trouble listening to Americans as their pronounciation is a bit off, but that would be fixed by some exposure. I can show you about 10 other women I know from Russia and Ukraine that have enough knowledge of English to communicate directly without being professional translators or professors.

The one room/two room might be due to local slang. A two room arpartment that has a bedroom and a living room with sleeping sofa is for American a one room apartment, but for Russians a two room.

As a true Russian you let yourself be introduced as 'friend' and not as 'service provider'. Do the women not find it strange that a guy is taking his friend for a trip ? I can imagine that for the woman it would be a minus if a guy needs to bring a friend, like he can not make a trip on his own.
Usually how long does it take before a client makes a trip ?

[BC]

My wife could communicate in English quite well when we met.  I see absolutely no way our relationship could have formed without it.

Is it possible that an agency owner would avoid English speaking women due to the lower revenue involved?  After all, addresses are relatively cheap and a woman that spoke English would also be able to help with accommodations etc (which can be easily arranged/compared online anyway).

Car salesmen always try to sell me options I don't really need.

Maybe 'guide' services are a leftover of intourist days?

[I/O]

The irony here is simply hilarious.... 

You are not wrong.

I/O

[Eduard]

Daveman,
to each his own. You want to keep searching for a woman who speaks fluent english, that's your prerogative. you are still single though. And all of my clients are happily married or getting married as soon as their fiance has the K-1 approved.
I still say that there is probably 90% or more percent single women who don't speak good english and by looking only for a fluent english speaker you are just limiting yourself maybe to 5%. My clients find that they CAN get to know a woman who doesn't speak fluent english on a deeper level with my help. Once a guy knows that she is the one for him she can take english classes while awaiting the fiance visa and then take english at a community college once she arrives to the US. Once a woman is immerced in the english languge all around her she will learn quick. My wife learned english and spoke it fluently in one year, and that's considering that we only speak russian at home! When we met she only remembered about 15 words in english, and by the way she is a highly educated woman, a dentist...(I'm referring to pitbuls statement that all educated women in Russia speak fluent english which is nonesense in my opinion)
So the bottom line is that my clients with my help do get to know women like they are speaking the same language. And based upon that they can decide weather to marry or not. If you think that you have a better way, that's fine. Some of you have been looking for a couple of years now with no results, keep on looking maybe one day you will find your perfect english speaking mate. But Paaaaahlease! Don't knock my method since you haven't tryed it!
You seem to just enjoy tearing my system down inspite the great rate of success that my clients are having with it.
Let me tell you that I already have been privately contacted by a few people from this forum. They told me that what I am saying makes great sense and they are considering my services. They also said that they don't get envolved in these discussions because a lot of times they seem more like dog fights instead of cool logical discussions and exchange of ideas. And I agree with them. Some of you just seem to enjoy to judge and tear down rather than to learn, discuss and exchange Ideas.
I find I/O's remarks that women who are not "model like" are somehow second class to be offensive and ignorant, therefore I do not wish to respond to him. I think that most of us with any life experience and common sense know what those "model-like" women are about. I think my wife is beautiful, I met Simoni's wife and she is a beautiful, sweet young lady. They are not model-like, but I catch plenty of envious looks from men when we are out on the town, and I'm sure Simoni has the same experience. The fact that I/O sonsiders them second class doesn't make any sense to me.

[Gator]

Eduard,

If you have come to this discussion board to discuss your services, you have done exactly that. 

What have you learned? 

Many people, including myself, are saying that your service is an excellent way to search for women not listed with marriage agencies.  It greatly expands the number, and possibly the average quality, of candidates.

OTOH, most RWD members are saying that your in-country guide service is not needed for most men or is probably much more expensive than using FSU-based resources.

If you come here to market your service, I think you are partially succeeding but at the same time your dogmatic attitude is shooting yourself in the foot.

You can provide quality results, and make a good income, just with the search service.  Why not leave it at that?   As you communicate with clients using your search service, you could determine those men who perhaps need your in-country services.   At that time you could offer such services, tailored to each clients needs.  trying to sell the complete package is a turn-off.

As a management consultant, that is how I would advise you to orient your business.

[Daveman]

Daveman,
to each his own. You want to keep searching for a woman who speaks fluent english, that's your prerogative. you are still single though. And all of my clients are happily married or getting married as soon as their fiance has the K-1 approved.

Well we each have to discern systems and approaches which seem right to us.  You are correct, I am not married, but could have been... twice.. to either one of the English speaking ladies.  The trips, in essence, were not failures, but rather "successfully did not fall into the trap of marrying a beautiful woman who was not right for me". Semantics.. perhaps..

Honestly, I don't know whether or not a RW or FSU woman is right for me at all.  As has been said many times, they're not for everyone.  So how will *I* know?  I plan to go live there for a couple of years and dive into the culture.  Of course, most any Russian person will say "there is no way you can understand our culture unless you are born and raised here"... ahhh, horse crap.  Certainly I cannot understand EVERYTHING about it, but I'm sure I can understand it deeply enough to decide whether or not I'll want to marry into it.  Besides, I've never lived abroad and when my current obligation ends, there will be absolutely nothing tying me to Atlanta, so hitting the road for a few years is a viable option. At the very least I am sure I'll be a broader man (not merely from the delicious Russian cuisine) for it.  So, my methodology probably seems insane to you.. 

...If you think that you have a better way, that's fine. Some of you have been looking for a couple of years now with no results, keep on looking maybe one day you will find your perfect english speaking mate. But Paaaaahlease! Don't knock my method since you haven't tryed it!
You seem to just enjoy tearing my system down inspite the great rate of success that my clients are having with it.
Let me tell you that I already have been privately contacted by a few people from this forum. They told me that what I am saying makes great sense and they are considering my services. They also said that they don't get envolved in these discussions because a lot of times they seem more like dog fights instead of cool logical discussions and exchange of ideas. And I agree with them. Some of you just seem to enjoy to judge and tear down rather than to learn, discuss and exchange Ideas.
I find I/O's remarks that women who are not "model like" are somehow second class to be offensive and ignorant, therefore I do not wish to respond to him. I think that most of us with any life experience and common sense know what those "model-like" women are about. I think my wife is beautiful, I met Simoni's wife and she is a beautiful, sweet young lady. They are not model-like, but I catch plenty of envious looks from men when we are out on the town, and I'm sure Simoni has the same experience. The fact that I/O sonsiders them second class doesn't make any sense to me.

I am not so absurdly arrogant to think my way is the only way, or that any one way is the best way.  Whatever works... works... get over the feelings that we are all attacking you because we are not..

Listen, Eduardo, you have got to kick that Piscean sensitivity right in the ass if you want to participate here.  No one is condemning your method or services... but if you post here, especially if you have an agenda, which you do - a service to sell, your words will be challenged and you will be expected to validate whatever you say.  That's how the nuggets are sifted here... relax, don't be paranoid and accept that not everyone will agree with you, and others will be vocal in disagreement. If you have something of value to offer, it will be seen by those who wish to value it.  This, whether good or bad, is how information is often exchanged here... jump into the dogfights.. if you get bit, so what??  There's an amazing group of people here... and many potential clients.. so again.. relax and just participate... but don't allow every post to be proselytizing for your service.   

I STILL say you have an excellent opportunity for a tributary service as a FINDER.. you have a special untapped talent you can use to your advantage. So, offer it as another service for those men who could use your help in locating sincere ladies, but do not wish to have someone present for hand holding during the meetings.  I think there is a probably a good market for this... but maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, a belated Welcome to the Asylum.. er.. Forum... and I wish you the best with your business.. who knows? I may seek to hire you in the future.. never say never..   

Dave

[Daveman]

If you come here to market your service, I think you are partially succeeding but at the same time your dogmatic attitude is shooting yourself in the foot.

You can provide quality results, and make a good income, just with the search service.  Why not leave it at that?   As you communicate with clients using your search service, you could determine those men who perhaps need your in-country services.   At that time you could offer such services, tailored to each clients needs.  trying to sell the complete package is a turn-off.

As a management consultant, that is how I would advise you to orient your business.

Well said Gator.  Really, he's on the cusp of expanding a highly marketable service. I think so anyway...

Listen, Eduardo, you have got to kick that Piscean sensitivity right in the ass if you want to participate here. 

Wow... I seem to have lost the ability to communicate without being crass.  That nonsense stops  right here.. right now. 

Dave

[Eduard]

Eduard,

If you have come to this discussion board to discuss your services, you have done exactly that. 

What have you learned? 

Many people, including myself, are saying that your service is an excellent way to search for women not listed with marriage agencies.  It greatly expands the number, and possibly the average quality, of candidates.

OTOH, most RWD members are saying that your in-country guide service is not needed for most men or is probably much more expensive than using FSU-based resources.

If you come here to market your service, I think you are partially succeeding but at the same time your dogmatic attitude is shooting yourself in the foot.

You can provide quality results, and make a good income, just with the search service.  Why not leave it at that?   As you communicate with clients using your search service, you could determine those men who perhaps need your in-country services.   At that time you could offer such services, tailored to each clients needs.  trying to sell the complete package is a turn-off.

As a management consultant, that is how I would advise you to orient your business.

Gator,
I appreciate your constructive remarks. One thing you missunderstood about my services though. I never "sell" a package deal. If you take a look at my site the "search and get to know" service is mainly all I offer. And I invoice my clients by PayPal on a weekly basis so if someone wants to quit at any point for some reason, they can, without loosing hardly any money! They would have only paid for however many weeks they had me working for them.
I offer going to Russia with my clients only as an option and not as part of some package that you are talking about. Some of my clients travel to Russia on their own, others ask me to go with them and I absolutely don't push that part of service on them. I would much rather stay home with my wife and daughter and go play beach volleyball on weekends than be travelling to a -15 centigrate weather this january. from +80 in FLorida to -15 in Russia, who in the world would want that???
The thing is that many clients find that my local knowledge, fluent bi-lingual ability, knowledge of Russian women and the cultural differences, and YES! my Piscean intuitiveness can be a great asset to them when they set out on a serious journey to find a life partner in Russia. These guys ask me to go with them, I don't even try to sell that part of my services. I do get asked a lot if I would go with them, so I offer it as an option on my site.
Does that satisfy your concern, gator?

[I/O]

to be offensive and ignorant, therefore I do not wish to respond to him.

More smoke and mirrors. Eduard, you are offering a service and I have no problem with that, it is just that, a service. What I have a concern about is your consistently avoiding the difficult questions and waffling on forever trying to justify the fact you sell a service.

Much of your advice here runs contrary to conventional RWD wisdom. Broaden your horizons by including non English speaking women for example has been debated around here for a year or so. It's a BS argument and there is no getting away from that. The two groups who have consistently argued in favour of it are the "Guides/Translators" and the losers.

There is more than enough RW who have enough English that a western guy can get by without a translator, even early on. You challenge Pitbull, but I am afraid I have to agree with her to an extent. Of approximately 40 Russian/FSU women that I have had any in depth conversation with over the years, (Only a few of them with any romantic interest) 4 did not have enough English to hold some sort of conversation with at first. 1 of those 4 is my now wife if you want to throw a twist of irony into the mix.

Pitbull is right on the money in respect to it being in your "Business interests" to promote the idea of non English speakers. Many here have tried and failed with non English speakers. There is no way any thinking person will base a decision to proceed to something as serious as marriage on the opinion of a third person. That is just dumb and a recipe for disaster.

As for whether or not your wife is first or second class is something for you to decide. I've never met her and as such don't have an opinion on her class. What I do have an opinion on is your implication that someone who is "Model Like" should be avoided. Why? As yet you haven't come up with a sound reason other than to cast (by implication) some general dispersions.

Tad of advice from someone who has been around the traps a while, you'd have been better off coming in here and saying this is what I offer and this is how I do it. You could have done that in about a dozen bullet points. Ask me, I've been married 3 years doesn't kinda cut it. There is a number of guys here who have done much more and still they say they know nothing. Get a clue, the more you learn the more you realise you don't know.

I/O 

[Daveman]

From Eduard

You seem to just enjoy tearing my system down inspite the great rate of success that my clients are having with it.

And I/O speaking about the thread topic:

Ask me, I've been married 3 years doesn't kinda cut it. There is a number of guys here who have done much more and still they say they know nothing.

The success rate of getting married is nice and all that, but how many will actually reach the 5 year mark? 10 year mark?  I think the true success rates cannot be calculated for quite some time. 

On this board, the number of men who have had reached that 5 year milestone is quite small.  That doesn't suggest that in due time many more won't reach it as well, but it seems to be somewhat of a mine field (and mind field). 

I/O is spot on here (and ignorant is not a word which comes to mind) and so was Pitbull (who is actually quite savvy). Three years is past the GC stage, but you are also a Russian, speaking fluent Russian, who married a Russian speaking fluent Russian. Your chance of true success is considerably higher based on those criteria alone. You didn't have the same barriers of culture and language most of your clients will face.  How many of them will reach that 5 year plateau?  You simply don't know yet.

Eduard, you seem to base success on love and marriage, which is as good of a method as any I guess from your perspective.. but on this board, Marriage is considered the beginning of the work - a time for celebration but not the time to declare success. There are simply too many crash and burns.  Will the marriages last?  After 5 or 10 years, that's when you'll have enough information to know what your success rates actually are.  And I hope they are remarkable. Truly.

Why don't you hop out into other areas of the forum and share some tips from your wealth of cultural knowledge? Not being sarcastic in the least. 

David

[Admin]

Why don't you hop out into other areas of the forum and share some tips from your wealth of cultural knowledge? Not being sarcastic in the least. 

David

I think that is a fabulous suggestion. We can always benefit from learning more about the culture of the FSU - and we very rarely have a Russian guy to pitch in with their knowledge and experience.

Great suggestion Dave - and I hope Eduard will follow-up.

- Dan

[Eduard]

Of approximately 40 Russian/FSU women that I have had any in depth conversation with over the years, (Only a few of them with any romantic interest) 4 did not have enough English to hold some sort of conversation with at first. 1 of those 4 is my now wife if you want to throw a twist of irony into the mix.

this is just too funny! All this time you are trying to say that I'm wrong by including women in my search who don't speak or speak limited english yet you are admitting that a woman with hardly any english skills was chosen by you to be your wife! How ironic!
You somehow decided that I do this out of my own business interest. So again you are judging me and you don't even know me.
let me tell you. I don't use any agency sites. I know that on agency sites they have "Level of english" on women's profiles. But I only use local Russian sites that do not market women to foreigners, and on those sites you will not find the same question when you fill out your profile info. They do have a question "which foreign language do you speak" but not at what level.
Probably 80 to 90% of women say that they speak english as a foreign language. What I actually focus on is what a woman puts in her profile. Some are looking for casual sex, others for a NSA relationship, others say "absolutely no foreigners". I'm looking for women who say something like this: "my priorities in life are family, marriage and children, I value honesty and integrity in people. I'm tired of players and just want to find a good, honest man who i can have a family with and spend the rest of my life with" Obviously they all don't say it exactly in those words but if you are a native russian speaker you can get a good feel for what a woman is about and what she is looking for by carefully reviewing her profile.
And that's exactly what my priority is: to find a good, family oriented, honest woman without any ulterior motives or agendas.
maybe I'm a rare breed, but I actually do put my client's wellbeing and success in this before my own profit.
Know this: I'm on a mission from God!!! :angel:
No I'm not a religious fanatic, just quoting the Blues brothers! LOL
But seriously, when I found myself single here in Tampa Bay, FL at the tender age of 42 i spent a miserible couple of years dating American women. I really got fed up with all their BS and found me a girl from the old country! Now I am on the mission helping good guys find good Russian girls so they don't have to deal with all the feminist brainwashed BS in our great nation!
So I do enjoy sticking it to American feminist women and seeing my clients happy with beautiful russian women. So you might say it's a labour of love. I would never put my own personal gain before my client's wellbeing.

[Eduard]

I think that is a fabulous suggestion. We can always benefit from learning more about the culture of the FSU - and we very rarely have a Russian guy to pitch in with their knowledge and experience.

Great suggestion Dave - and I hope Eduard will follow-up.

- Dan

Dan, I would love to do that. But it seems like any free time that I can dedicate to this forum I'm forced to defend myself. I absolutely agree with you that I have a unique perspective which could be valueable to people. Which threads would you recomend looking at?
Ed

[I/O]

So again you are judging me and you don't even know me.

Eduard: The above is the favoured line from people who come in here spouting nonsense and then when they are called out, shout, "You don't know me". Don't put yourself into that class of idiots purleaseeeeeeeeee.

You might notice, I mentioned the irony of my situation and I strongly advise against others trying to do the same. There is too many other options. My situation is very much an exception and should NEVER be followed as a blue print by anyone. The risks are much too high and I would never follow that path again. There is a little thing called love that sometimes bites you on the arse. Go figure. You might also find, if you bothered to do some homework, I have done an aweful lot of research into this and spent a helluva lot of time because of that English thing. Mine is no success story, it is simply a work in progress, with much of the hard work yet to come according to the guys I have come to respect.

You are painting your services to be worth less and less.

Obviously they all don't say it exactly in those words but if you are a native russian speaker you can get a good feel for what a woman is about and what she is looking for by carefully reviewing her profile.

It doesn't require a native Russian speaker to decode profiles. What it takes is someone who has some understanding of women and what they write.

As Gator said, you are shooting yourself in the foot. Frankly I have concluded you are a blowhard with about 10% of the knowledge you claim to have. Good luck with your business because you are gunna need it. Sites like RWD provide most if not more than you offer for free. Notice how it took someone from RWD to wise you up (Free of charge) regarding Kazan hotels.  :hairraising: :hairraising: Pretty basic stuff for a so called guide and Russian expert I would've thought.

I'm forced to defend myself.

Eduard, most guys here don't swallow BS too easily, so get a clue, don't set yourself up to be shot down and you won't need to defend anything.

BTW, nice name, my step son is also Eduard with a U not a W.

I/O

[Admin]

Dan, I would love to do that. But it seems like any free time that I can dedicate to this forum I'm forced to defend myself. I absolutely agree with you that I have a unique perspective which could be valueable to people.
Ed

Well .... you know what they say about it taking two to tango. You are, as expected, receiving a fair number of challenges. I say it is expected because some of the approach you take does strike some folks as being pretty risky, if not downright dangerous.

The 'mix' in this pool is pretty tough. You mix the fact that there are a lot of sharks in the pond, with the fact that some guys are pretty hapless and others are pretty independent (two ends of the spectrum), throw in the fact that here at RWD we have a strong group of guys who are well-grounded in principles, and in their knowledge and experience of the FSU - AND - they are more than a little outspoken.

Here are the parts of your 'system' that make me a bit nervous. The small amount of 'face time' is, IMO, absolutely the wrong way to do things. I often comment that international dating is not a lot different than domestic dating - and no thinking person would rush into a domestic marriage with so very little time together.

Some guys look at the language issue in a similar manner. I made the commitment to learn enough Russian to speak with women - and I urge other serious guys to do that same - BUT - that is my own take. There are others who firmly believe, and counsel, that guys should overcome the language problem by only meeting women who speak English. I accept that as good advice for those who are content to limit the number of available women. I wanted a bigger pool (greedy, I guess ), so it was a simple choice for me to learn Russian - and I did. In your approach, it seems you encourage guys with no Russian skills to consider ladies with no English skills - and that is, again IMO, a bad mix.

If I have mis-spoken about your approach to things, forgive me - I only quickly scanned some of the comments and picked up on a couple of things which I feel has caused the stir.

What I liked about Daveman's suggestion was that by participating in other topics - especially those in which your contributions are positive and educational, you allow us to get to know you better - and for you to become a part of the community here at RWD. As it is - you are sort of hanging around the periphery and not yet joined in.

Just my $.02 worth.

- Dan

[Eduard]

Well .... you know what they say about it taking two to tango. You are, as expected, receiving a fair number of challenges. I say it is expected because some of the approach you take does strike some folks as being pretty risky, if not downright dangerous.

The 'mix' in this pool is pretty tough. You mix the fact that there are a lot of sharks in the pond, with the fact that some guys are pretty hapless and others are pretty independent (two ends of the spectrum), throw in the fact that here at RWD we have a strong group of guys who are well-grounded in principles, and in their knowledge and experience of the FSU - AND - they are more than a little outspoken.

Here are the parts of your 'system' that make me a bit nervous. The small amount of 'face time' is, IMO, absolutely the wrong way to do things. I often comment that international dating is not a lot different than domestic dating - and no thinking person would rush into a domestic marriage with so very little time together.

Some guys look at the language issue in a similar manner. I made the commitment to learn enough Russian to speak with women - and I urge other serious guys to do that same - BUT - that is my own take. There are others who firmly believe, and counsel, that guys should overcome the language problem by only meeting women who speak English. I accept that as good advice for those who are content to limit the number of available women. I wanted a bigger pool (greedy, I guess ), so it was a simple choice for me to learn Russian - and I did. In your approach, it seems you encourage guys with no Russian skills to consider ladies with no English skills - and that is, again IMO, a bad mix.

If I have mis-spoken about your approach to things, forgive me - I only quickly scanned some of the comments and picked up on a couple of things which I feel has caused the stir.

What I liked about Daveman's suggestion was that by participating in other topics - especially those in which your contributions are positive and educational, you allow us to get to know you better - and for you to become a part of the community here at RWD. As it is - you are sort of hanging around the periphery and not yet joined in.

Just my $.02 worth.

- Dan

Dan,
although i find it admirable that you took on such difficult language as Russian, I found that many men don't have the time or desire to do it. Also it would take years of constant studying to reach a decent level of fluency. And even after all that you are not guaranteed that you will be able to connect with a woman on a deeper level and communicate freely.
If somebody has a strong desire, time, patience and resources to learn Russian, by all means do it! It won't hurt! A Russian woman will apreciate your effort. But meanwhile many men might consider either finding a RW fluent in English as we saw in previous posts or use someone bilingual like myself to help them communicate freely with no language barrier. Can we agree that there is no one way of skinning the cat?

As far as the "face time" I don't think that I ever said that it isn't important. I think it's extremely important to determine weather you have chemistry with a woman, to flirt, eperience intimacy together. etc.
I believe that somebody made a statement that it was useless to communicate with a woman for more than a few letters before going to meet her. I strongly disagree with that view. I think it's of an utmost importance to take your time and get to know the person really well before meeting each other. When there is no language barrier you can totally get infatuated with each other's style, sense of humor, point of view, and other aspects of character that can be seen through a written word. I have seen people fall in love just by exchanging ideas and connecting on a mental and spiritual level just by writing letters to each other.
What I said that you probably don't need as much face time with each other when such connection already exists. It doesn't mean that I'm suggesting to limit your face time in any way. By all means spend as much time together as you can! And if you can move to Russia to be with your woman for a year or two, great! This way you will have no doubts. Regretfully this is not an option for many men who have busy career or/and can't afford to drop everything and go see their woman 6 or 7 times a year a couple of weeks each time.
The funny thing is that in reality you can never be sure of anything. I personally know an American couple that was dating for 3 years. Then they got married...and divorced in 6 months! They spoke the same language, had 3 years to get to know each other, yet their marriage failed. So all we can do if do what we think is right and if it feels right just dive in, take a chance. There is always an element of risk in anything worth while doing. yes, use your head, use common sense, use other peoples experience and wisdom. But at the end it's still going to be up to you and your wife to make it work. The ability to work on your relationship, the willingness to compromise, selfless love and devotion, all of that can make or break your marriage. getting married is the first step, making it last is the whole new chapter...

[Admin]

Can we agree that there is no one way of skinning the cat?

Ed,

No one will dispute that there are a lot of ways to go about this process. Some are risky. Some are less-risky. None are risk-free.

What you are hearing, from me and from many others is - some of what you promote sounds like it caters to the customer who wants to do little, yet gain all the rewards. It sounds like a sales pitch.

Many of the guys here have worked long and hard - some have tried the short-cuts. There is a resounding chorus of guys who challenge several of the tenets of your approach, and for one reason. They are serious guys who have made the effort - and they sincerely wish for others to be 'successful' in both the short and long-terms. They see a sales pitch as just that - something promising a fast gain with little investment - and they know those pitches are rarely successful.

While we will agree that there are many different approaches - you must also understand that one of the heart-felt obligations of RWD is to help people who are still learning how to circumnavigate the many potholes in the road they will travel down. We do our best to provide information which will minimize risk, and maximize results - and we do it better than any other RW-related site on the net. Some of what you describe comes across as increasing the risk to the guys, hence, you are experiencing challenges to those notions.

If you were to adopt a different style - to become a contributing member of our community, and to provide the rich context and background which you believe supports your notions - you would probably get a different response.

FWIW

- Dan

[Makkin]

  Dan you made great reason in the last post...Thanks

Makkin

[spunch]

Hi Dan,
I've worked with Ed since about March this year, and I've traveled with him to Moscow this summer to meet some Ladies. Next week I'm flying to Egypt for a week to meet "One" of theses Ladies again. I've browsed this thread, longggggggg, I see there is a lot of different views, to the same issue. This was my first time doing any think like this and I definitely class me self lucky, I got a lot of help from Ed, teanslating etc, and sotring out the scammers from the real honest Girls, and a lot of other stuff, that needs to happen to make all this work cos I can imagime how bad it could have all gone!. I've traveled around most of Europe, US, some middle east, and India, so I pretty good a looking after myself and being in "foreign  lands", but I do not think there is any way I could have traveled to FSR, and got all the I did get completed with out the help of someone like Ed. I be happy to answer question about what happened and how. But apart the fact the I had a "blast: there, I believe, I may have hit "mission complet" (stay tuned!)
Regards
SPunch

[Eduard]

Ed,

No one will dispute that there are a lot of ways to go about this process. Some are risky. Some are less-risky. None are risk-free.

What you are hearing, from me and from many others is - some of what you promote sounds like it caters to the customer who wants to do little, yet gain all the rewards. It sounds like a sales pitch.

Many of the guys here have worked long and hard - some have tried the short-cuts. There is a resounding chorus of guys who challenge several of the tenets of your approach, and for one reason. They are serious guys who have made the effort - and they sincerely wish for others to be 'successful' in both the short and long-terms. They see a sales pitch as just that - something promising a fast gain with little investment - and they know those pitches are rarely successful.

While we will agree that there are many different approaches - you must also understand that one of the heart-felt obligations of RWD is to help people who are still learning how to circumnavigate the many potholes in the road they will travel down. We do our best to provide information which will minimize risk, and maximize results - and we do it better than any other RW-related site on the net. Some of what you describe comes across as increasing the risk to the guys, hence, you are experiencing challenges to those notions.

If you were to adopt a different style - to become a contributing member of our community, and to provide the rich context and background which you believe supports your notions - you would probably get a different response.

FWIW

- Dan

hey Dan,
What you say makes sense. I just want you to know that I do mean well and I sincerally care about my clients and their success in finding a life partner. I guess my strong belief in my method (since it worked for me, my friends and my clients) can sound like a sales pitch to some of the guys here. But I assure you that it wasn't meant that way. I just sincerally believe that my system works, and will work for many men who are looking for a Russian woman.
Ed

[BC]

Eduard,

Regarding your acceptance here, after taking a look at your website, I think there are a couple things you could do to improve and clarify and/or improve the image you present..

First of all, drop the word 'system' or 'method'..  this reminds me (and probably others) too much of those 'get rich quick' schemes.  I have been hanging around for a few years and have seen no 'system' that works for all, and that is the message you seem to try and bring across.

I would concentrate more on 'what makes us different'.. explaining that you try to find women that are outside the normal agency circuits, soliciting responses from women in FSU countries that in general are seeking relationships with FSU men but that might be convinced that a foreign man may be a viable alternative.

Are there other fundamental differences between your services and those offered by other agencies?

I also took a look at the videos on your site.  They were interesting from the 'homemade' qualities, but your client involved, sitting around chatting without shirt, sucking a beer and at times seemingly inebriated (or at least at a total loss for words) did not impress me at all. At first, I thought the guy was on the 'pot'.. I would assume women viewing might have more second thoughts than interest..

IIRC upthread you mentioned that accompanying your clients is something quite optional, whereas on your website you highly recommend this approach.. what's up with that?

[edit]  btw, the text on your site could use a quick proofreading..

 

[Shadow]

Hi Dan,
I've worked with Ed since about March this year, and I've traveled with him to Moscow this summer to meet some Ladies. Next week I'm flying to Egypt for a week to meet "One" of theses Ladies again. I've browsed this thread, longggggggg, I see there is a lot of different views, to the same issue. This was my first time doing any think like this and I definitely class me self lucky, I got a lot of help from Ed, teanslating etc, and sotring out the scammers from the real honest Girls, and a lot of other stuff, that needs to happen to make all this work cos I can imagime how bad it could have all gone!. I've traveled around most of Europe, US, some middle east, and India, so I pretty good a looking after myself and being in "foreign  lands", but I do not think there is any way I could have traveled to FSR, and got all the I did get completed with out the help of someone like Ed. I be happy to answer question about what happened and how. But apart the fact the I had a "blast: there, I believe, I may have hit "mission complet" (stay tuned!)
Regards
SPunch

Well Spunch, could you sill us in on what you have invested so far ? Eduard has dodged some things there...

[Eduard]

Eduard,

Regarding your acceptance here, after taking a look at your website, I think there are a couple things you could do to improve and clarify and/or improve the image you present..

First of all, drop the word 'system' or 'method'..  this reminds me (and probably others) too much of those 'get rich quick' schemes.  I have been hanging around for a few years and have seen no 'system' that works for all, and that is the message you seem to try and bring across.

I would concentrate more on 'what makes us different'.. explaining that you try to find women that are outside the normal agency circuits, soliciting responses from women in FSU countries that in general are seeking relationships with FSU men but that might be convinced that a foreign man may be a viable alternative.

Are there other fundamental differences between your services and those offered by other agencies?

I also took a look at the videos on your site.  They were interesting from the 'homemade' qualities, but your client involved, sitting around chatting without shirt, sucking a beer and at times seemingly inebriated (or at least at a total loss for words) did not impress me at all. At first, I thought the guy was on the 'pot'.. I would assume women viewing might have more second thoughts than interest..

IIRC upthread you mentioned that accompanying your clients is something quite optional, whereas on your website you highly recommend this approach.. what's up with that?

[edit]  btw, the text on your site could use a quick proofreading..

 

I appreciate you advice.
It's interesting how the words I used - "system" and "method" bring out negative emotions in American men. It only demonstrates that after learning english since the age of 7, going to a specialized english school in Moscow, then immigrating to the USA 29 years ago I still have things to learn about english language. But it probably would be the same for an American trying to learn Russian...
You asked about the other fundamental differences, and I belive that yes, there are.
I offer a service that is personal and one on one I don't just find women for my clients and translate their correspondence, but I also advice and consult my clients on cultural differences, I will advice my client if I feel that a girl is not very sincere, or if it sounds like she might have an ulterior motive. I trully believe that only a native Russian speaker can catch the little nuances that sometimes can make the world of difference. One little word can set off red flags in me but will be missed by an American who studied Russian for several years (not that many of you do). A great example of that but in a different context was my using te words "System" and "method" How these 2 words set off red flags in some of you. And I had no clue even though I've been studying and speaking English for 40 years!
Some girls set off a bunch of red flags and I quickly advice my client that it might be better to forget this girl and move on. This saves a lot of time and heartache. I know how a RW behaves, what her verbage would be when she is sincerally interested. many of these important details get lost in translation when men deal through agencies and as far as i know most agencies don't provide personal advice and consultation to clients by phone. My clients can call me any time during the day to talk with me and discuss any concerns they might have.
In regard to my traveling to Russia with a client: yes it is optional, and yes I highly recommend having me go with you. But if a client wants to go by himself I absolutely don't try to push that on anyone. Why don't you ask SPunch what he thinks about that part of my service and if he found it beneficial? he is a very straight up guy and I believe that he'll tell it like it is.
Ed