Ask me, I've done it! and have been married for 3 years happily!

[WmGO]

Any form of corruption is bad.  When it is insidious as in Russia, it undermines good government, justice, economic opportunity, personal integrity, progress, etc. 

For those acknowledging the need for police to supplement their salaries, corruption influences policemen to not patrol the places where needed by society but instead set up shop in places where it is easier to collect bribes.

Good post.

[Eduard]

Neither country- Now, do you have an answer to my question?

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[Eduard]

Good post.

I'm glad that there are some people of integrity like yourself WmGo, who can appreciate my point of view.

[WmGO]

it's better than being a loser!

You're a strange fellow Simoni!

question his integrity

Isn't it better to focus on opinions in regards to letter writing than to make
personal attacks?

BTW, noone likes to have their opinions misrepresented. And when this happens and they make their opinions clear, is it not enough to just accept that clarification  and move on?

Yes, Simoni has never slammed "letter writing of any sort", but like me sees little utility in long periods of correspondence.

And I agree with this - but as they say, different strokes for different folks.

 

[Eduard]

Lets indeed not be judgemental. I understand your bad experiences, still do not approve of your constant slamming.

I understand your 'method' however it seems to me nothing more than other agencies should provide. Do you take any kind of client, or will you turn down men or women that approach you, and if you do what are the criteria ?

Lets indeed not be judgemental. I understand your bad experiences, still do not approve of your constant slamming.
There was no "constant slammimg" as you put it on my part. There was one post asking Scott why he preferes to live in Ukraine where corruption is probably as bad as in Russia.
If you and kuna wouldn't attack me in a milicious, arrogant and sometimes ignorrant way, I probably wouldn't even bring the corruption topic up again, particularly that it has nothing to do with this thread.

Do you take any kind of client, or will you turn down men or women that approach you, and if you do what are the criteria ?
No I don't take just any client. I try not to take men under 26 unless they show that they are very mature and can convince me that they are going to be commited to the process. usually they will change their mind once I explain the process and the level of commitment to them. I advice them to just date locally and have fun and if they still want to do this when they are 30 or older get in touch with me.
I also will turn down any man older than 26 (no matter how old) who shows that he doesn't have the maturity and intelligence or just has a bad attitude.
Also If a man has this attitude that he is doing a woman from FSU a favor by bringing her here, I will not take him as a client. If a 50 year old guy contacts me and asks me to find him a girl for genuine love and marriage but a girl needs to be 18 to 22 years old - I will not take him as a client. I have no problem with a man being older than a woman. My wife is almost 20 years my junior. But I feel that even though there are exceptions, going beyong the 20 year difference in age mark, is just asking for trouble. So if a guy is 50 I strongly believe that he should not look for a woman much younger than 30, give or take a couple of years.
Generally I will email and talk to a potential client on the phone and see where he stands on some issues. I can tell a lot by just talking to him. And then I will make a determination weather his and mine relationship could be fruitful or a waste of money and time for both of us.

I understand your 'method' however it seems to me nothing more than other agencies should provide.
This statement tells me that you don't understand my method at all because it is radically different and has produced wonderful results for both me and my clients.

[Admin]

Lets indeed not be judgemental. I understand your bad experiences, still do not approve of your constant slamming.
There was no "constant slammimg" as you put it on my part. There was one post asking Scott why he preferes to live in Ukraine where corruption is probably as bad as in Russia.
If you and kuna wouldn't attack me in a milicious, arrogant and sometimes ignorrant way, I probably wouldn't even bring the corruption topic up again, particularly that it has nothing to do with this thread.

Do you take any kind of client, or will you turn down men or women that approach you, and if you do what are the criteria ?
No I don't take just any client. I try not to take men under 26 unless they show that they are very mature and can convince me that they are going to be commited to the process. usually they will change their mind once I explain the process and the level of commitment to them. I advice them to just date locally and have fun and if they still want to do this when they are 30 or older get in touch with me.
I also will turn down any man older than 26 (no matter how old) who shows that he doesn't have the maturity and intelligence or just has a bad attitude.
Also If a man has this attitude that he is doing a woman from FSU a favor by bringing her here, I will not take him as a client. If a 50 year old guy contacts me and asks me to find him a girl for genuine love and marriage but a girl needs to be 18 to 22 years old - I will not take him as a client. I have no problem with a man being older than a woman. My wife is almost 20 years my junior. But I feel that even though there are exceptions, going beyong the 20 year difference in age mark, is just asking for trouble. So if a guy is 50 I strongly believe that he should not look for a woman much younger than 30, give or take a couple of years.
Generally I will email and talk to a potential client on the phone and see where he stands on some issues. I can tell a lot by just talking to him. And then I will make a determination weather his and mine relationship could be fruitful or a waste of money and time for both of us.

I understand your 'method' however it seems to me nothing more than other agencies should provide.
This statement tells me that you don't understand my method at all because it is radically different and has produced wonderful results for both me and my clients.

Eduard,

Some of the approach you take is bound to raise some questions - and I am sure you are fully-aware of that. Most specifically, the lack of 'face-time' is, IMO, a serious issue - and one that needs a thorough debate so as to understand how this deficiency is overcome in your "system."

Also, some time back we developed an Agency Code of Ethics. While it does not encapsulate some of the more tactical elements of your "system" - there are some things, particularly in the area of disqualification, and I wonder if you might provide your comment about the ACoE and how much of it applies to your approach? Here is a link to that site (http://www.certifiedmarriageagencies.org/index.php?pid=2) - and the ACoE is available in either English or Russian, although the link takes you to the English version.

One more thing. There is another topic here at RWD in which it appears there may have been either a misunderstanding, or a willful decision to ignore a legal commitment. I'll link you to my response in mid-topic (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=6227.msg116979#msg116979) - but my question has to do with what communication you provide a guy in making the decision to enter into one of these cross-cultural relationships. We can use the 10-year legal commitment as just one example, if you like - but I am also interested in the broader topic of how you communicate this process to a guy - and the lady?

Please don't look at these challenges as critique. They are designed to fully-understand, and appreciate, the depth and magnitude (and to some extent, the quality) of the services you provide. You seem a good guy who wants to do the right thing - and you have met Simoni who vouches for you and that deserves some merit, in my opinion. So please consider this the sort of legitimate questions you might receive from ANY serious customer. I know if I were in the market today - armed with what I know (and *think* I know) this would only be the start of the questions you would be fielding from me. Just FYI.

- Dan

[Shadow]

[If you and kuna wouldn't attack me in a milicious, arrogant and sometimes ignorrant way, I probably wouldn't even bring the corruption topic up again, particularly that it has nothing to do with this thread.

I can assure you that , at least from my side, there is no malicious intent. Regarding arrogance and ignorance, I guess that it is your way to say we agree to disagree.

This statement tells me that you don't understand my method at all because it is radically different and has produced wonderful results for both me and my clients.

I said wht you provide it what an agency *should* provide, not what most of them provide in reality. Many men sign up to an agency because they expect guidance, advise on how to treat the language and cultural difference, and provide them with suitable partners.

You have spoken a lot about your male clients. But how do you select your femal clients. while they may not be the ones paying for the service, they too are your clients. What is your idea about selecting them ?

[Misha]

You have spoken a lot about your male clients. But how do you select your femal clients. while they may not be the ones paying for the service, they too are your clients. What is your idea about selecting them ?

I have read Eduard's website. This is what he writes: "So I will create your ads in Russian language, complete with photos and description on several local Russian sites, search for and contact girls on your behalf that fit your criteria, and then forward you the photos and letters of the girls that expressed interest in getting to know you (obviously translated to English)."

His system is quite simple: he searches the Russian dating site network Mambo (you can check it out yourselves: mambo.ru). He creates a profile for his client on this site. As it is a dating site, the women are looking for different things: some simply sex, some clients, some a sponsor, but most are looking for a serious relationship. The site is free to use and you can send messages to women who have profiles. That is what I did when I was looking and this is where I found my wife. What Eduard does is help clients who don't speak Russian find women on a Russian site and works as a translator for his clients. He simply looks for women that he thinks will be of interest to his client and contacts the women to see if they will be interested in the men that he is helping.

[Shadow]

I have read Eduard's website. This is what he writes: "So I will create your ads in Russian language, complete with photos and description on several local Russian sites, search for and contact girls on your behalf that fit your criteria, and then forward you the photos and letters of the girls that expressed interest in getting to know you (obviously translated to English)."

His system is quite simple: he searches the Russian dating site network Mambo (you can check it out yourselves: mambo.ru). He creates a profile for his client on this site. As it is a dating site, the women are looking for different things: some simply sex, some clients, some a sponsor, but most are looking for a serious relationship. The site is free to use and you can send messages to women who have profiles. That is what I did when I was looking and this is where I found my wife. What Eduard does is help clients who don't speak Russian find women on a Russian site and works as a translator for his clients. He simply looks for women that he thinks will be of interest to his client and contacts the women to see if they will be interested in the men that he is helping.

Please let Eduard answer the question. What can be read on his website is already clear. Also understand that I am asking this out of interest, not to attack him.

[Eduard]

I have read Eduard's website. This is what he writes: "So I will create your ads in Russian language, complete with photos and description on several local Russian sites, search for and contact girls on your behalf that fit your criteria, and then forward you the photos and letters of the girls that expressed interest in getting to know you (obviously translated to English)."

His system is quite simple: he searches the Russian dating site network Mambo (you can check it out yourselves: mambo.ru). He creates a profile for his client on this site. As it is a dating site, the women are looking for different things: some simply sex, some clients, some a sponsor, but most are looking for a serious relationship. The site is free to use and you can send messages to women who have profiles. That is what I did when I was looking and this is where I found my wife. What Eduard does is help clients who don't speak Russian find women on a Russian site and works as a translator for his clients. He simply looks for women that he thinks will be of interest to his client and contacts the women to see if they will be interested in the men that he is helping.

It's a correct but a litle oversimplified version of what I do. First, I don't just use the mambo network. It is only one of the sites but a pretty good one. You are absolutely correct that there are women there who look for all kinds of things - some are offering escort services, others are looking for a "Sponsor" - sugar daddy, some are only looking for another woman, others are looking for a girl who would have a threesome with her and her boyfriend or husband, many women, particularly younger ones are just looking for casual sex or casual dating and off course the ones that I'm interested in are the ones who put in their profile that they are only interested in a serious relationship and creation of a happy family. It is important for western men to understand that many of these women are not interested in foreign men. Many will put in their profile "absolutely no foreigners!!! Russian men only!!!!"
When some of American guys find these sites create a profile for themselves probably with the help of a russian speaker and then look at the pretty pictures and mail everyone without reading what a girl is looking for it irritates the crap out of these women. I've seen many "these dumb americans" statements on russian forums. It is difficult for the girls to understand why these guys write to them when they explicitly say that they don't want a foreign man. you might say, well I don't speak russian so i didn't know!...but that's precisely my point...unless you are a fluent russian speaker you will have a hard time finding and getting to know someone. Russians, just like americans use a lot of slang, figure of speach, etc., etc. and in order to avoid missunderstanding it's important to have someone who are fluent in both. There are also scammers on those sites (even nigerian ones! they write in broken russian!!! funny!!!) Almost any time i create a profile for a new client we get hit on by the same scammers! But in a nut shell (try to translate that in russian word for word!)
I do create profiles for my clients on several russian dating sites. I then carefully search for women that fit my client's criteria in age, hight and weight, level of education, knowledge of languges, kids or no kids, smoker or non-smoker, interests, priorities in life, etc. etc. Obviously I try to choose attractive ladies but I don't just look at the pictures rather carefully study each individual profile and will contact a girl only if she has potential of compatiblity with my client. Then when they start corresponding I completely remove any language and cultural barrier that exists between my client and a woman. They really do get to know each other as if they speak the same language! I don't just translate I enterpret which is a huge difference! basically I make it posiible for my client to communicate with a Russian girl as if he met an American girl on Match.com and getting to know her in english.
I never said that face to face time is not important. It is extremely important! That's when you really find out weather you have chemistry together and connect on the next level.
I also travel to Russia with my clients. I don't just help them with transportation, apartments/hotels but I serve as interpretor, advisor, consultant. We all know that many women are great actresses, and they can decieve us and wrap us around their fingure! It's hard enough to figure out weather a woman is sincere or is just acting when you come from the same culture and speak the same language, but when a woman speaks a different language, comes from a foreign culture and uses a completely different body language it is next to imposiible for an American or any foreign man to read a Russian woman. I'm very good at reading their body language, reading between the lines, etc. I help them communicate but i also carefully observe her and advice my client on my feelings about her sincerity, if i feel she genuinely likes him or that she might be pursuing a hidden agenda...sometimes what is not being said is a lot more important than what the lips are saying.
What I said was that by the time my client is ready to travel to Russia/Ukraine he and the girls that he will be meeting would have gotten to know each other  very well (with my help probably 90% better than you would without my help) therefore their meeting is very important to see if the chemistry is there and they don't neccessarily need several meetings. I found out on my own personal experience that when chemistry comes first, before getting to know a person well, it could spell a disaster!!! So to those of you who believe that writing many indepth letters, geting to know each other, each other's values, sense of humor, about each other's family and friends, interests, goals is a waste of time - I respectfully disagree!!! I think that doing that is the key to successfully finding your mate and a life partner.

[Eduard]

I can assure you that , at least from my side, there is no malicious intent. Regarding arrogance and ignorance, I guess that it is your way to say we agree to disagree.
I said wht you provide it what an agency *should* provide, not what most of them provide in reality. Many men sign up to an agency because they expect guidance, advise on how to treat the language and cultural difference, and provide them with suitable partners.

You have spoken a lot about your male clients. But how do you select your femal clients. while they may not be the ones paying for the service, they too are your clients. What is your idea about selecting them ?

Shadow, I'm sorry, I missread. You did say should provide...but how can they? My service on the other hand is not a walmart type operation and I'm definitly limited in terms of how many clients i can serve at one time, but the level of service is unsurpassed...it's personal, one on one and very effective.

[Kuna]

Quote from: Kuna on 13 December 2007, 06:21:13

Call me a liar if you want but it's better than being a loser!

I'm definitely not a loser.  In fact, I'm very successful in life, both professionally and personally.

And you are the one who CHOSE to misrepresent what I say when you say I say that "writing of any sort" is a waste of time.  Wrong. I do say to write and make contacts with several girls.  Pre-writing a few letters is important.  I corrected your inaccurate information about what I recommend.


You can selectively pull out whatever posts you want but the fact is you've been saying for months letter writing is a waste of time.

No, I posted the whole posts.  Click to the source and see.  My advice is consistent.  I say don't write a lot of letters.  But do write a few.

You are not important enough to me for me to waste the time going back through all your drivel but newbies should be aware your posts are suspect!

I stand by what I say.   I'll choose my timeline and path over yours for sure.

Yes, you did line up the women through a little or two so you could choose one to marry on meeting...
Actually, I used meetings to meet one girl I wanted to get to know better.   Unlike you, I met My Girl over an extended period of time (7 meetings in 4 countries) before getting the visa.

but Eduard suggests writing to the in enough detail to get to know them then traveling to choose your next wife.  No need for futher visits... ALL DONE!  Shocked

As I understand Eduard's advice, they do have more detailed letter writing than I recommed.  I also understand him to be saying that if the guy meets 5 girls and clicks with one, they continue to get to know each other over time.  How long did it take you to decide to marry Your Girl?  Seems I remember it was pretty fast.  Not my style, but as I said above, different strokes for different folks.

You seemed to support the concept that more letter writing and phone calls during the visa process is enough knowledge of someone you're going to share your life with!

As I have said many times....I think you should spend lots of face time with the girl. And I did.  Seven more face to face meetings.   But I also know of examples, including yours, where engagement happened in one or two meetings.  But the relationship continued to grow during the visa wait time.   Not my way, but a way that works for some.

Is that true?  Am I correct?  You're now supporting a concept where couples don't need time together face to face before marrying?
How much face time did you have before you got engaged?  Five days?  Three weeks? 

I guess now you've made a new "friend" you feel compelled to support whatever outrageous process he promotes in his business because you are needy and desperate for approval.
If you had read this thread, you would have seen me disagree with Ed pages back on several points, including language.  And nope, I don't need your approval at all.  Nor his.  I'm comfortable with who I am 
You're a strange fellow Simoni!
Same back to you.

Let's confirm you agree his process is a good one and some unsuspecting and uninformed chump should be lead own the path of destruction in a way Eduard suggests?  Agree with it do you?
Did you not read the above, where I said different approaches work for different people?  I think his way has its plusses and negatives.  But it does have plusses.  And his clients are not poor chumps, but happily married guys.  I think we need a lot less judgmental posts around here.  They are counterproductive.  As is talking with you.  You like to talk a lot and jump to conclusions that are sometimes wrong.
Kuna



Gator,

You're right... in my original post I said "letter writing of any sort"... That was inaccurate.

My post above confirms that my intention was to question his integrity based on his support of a process Eduard SELLS after his ongoing attacks of those that send more than introduction letters.

I missed this thread... and a few very good points have been raised...

First though... let me address this load of childish drivel.

By the way...  What is it about "your type" that need big blue text to make a point? Feeling a little small so you have to "shout" on the Internet to try to make a point??? Laughable really!

1. Your success???  Purely subjective.  If you feel like you're a success that's "nice" for you... Others would question it obviously because everyone defines their own criteria for success.  You do spend quite a lot of time though talking about your success - so that does makes me wonder... I just find most people that brag about their success usually are unhappy on the inside... somethings missing... you know... I'm sure you have that feeling sometimes?   

2. I DID make an error in saying "any writing".  From what I understand you probably banged a letter or two out saying, "I'm a successful American who has failed 5 times to find a wife but if you're interested to have a coffee so I can see if I get a twitch in my groin I can return several times so we really get to know each other... So how 'bout it babe"?  I dunno... I do know you've been slandering anyone that has taken the time and effort of engaging in detailed correspondence with women before they meet them.

It's ironic Eduards approach is to marry people off after 1 trip (to pick a wife) and then rely on correspondence to build a relationship... yet you now think it's a valid approach in teh most part...  that DOES make you a strange fellow in my opinion.

I just see your advice as questionable (because of the inconsistencies) but I guess it's up to the newbies who they listen to.  I'm not asking them to listen to me but I certainly know when I joined there were people who sounded like they had good advice but after hanging around for a while it wasn't too hard to pick the fools out of the crowd.  RWD gave me a great benefit that others like you didn't have when you started out...  but finding RWD isn't the key... sorting out the BS from teh fact is!

3.

Unlike you, I met My Girl over an extended period of time (7 meetings in 4 countries) before getting the visa.

How long did it take you to decide to marry Your Girl?  Seems I remember it was pretty fast.  Not my style, but as I said above, different strokes for different folks.

How much face time did you have before you got engaged?  Five days?  Three weeks? 

You continue with little jibes over my path and in a way I can't blame you for it for eating at you... All I can suggest is that you lay back and enjoy it.  Nothing you or I can do about it... It's probably related to that unhappy feeling you have on the inside.

Nothing... absolutely nothing you say has any effect on me because you and other BIG BLUE TEXT writers have absolutely nothing to offer me and little to offer others IMHO.

I understand from others that have met you that you're a "nice guy", but that doesn't mean you have substance.  People with sustance impress me... braggarts don't!



Dan,

If you'd like Simoni and I to start a thread in Anything Goes I'd be really happy to do that because it's probably healthy to finally get down to tin tacks - but I don't see a need to hide it in a private chat session.  the insults and attacks have been public... let the resolution be public too!




(gotta run to do something but there are some really good (valuable) posts later I'd like to comment on.  I'm sure Simoni will have somethign to say in the meantime.    )

[Simoni]

Kuna:  I am not going to respond to your post above, because it comes AFTER Dan asked the discussion here to cease.  I'm surprised that you ignored his request and attacked again.

Dan blew the whistle on your attack on me and my counter response to you with this post:

There are some very important topics being explored here. I, too, hope we can avoid any (*ANY*) de-railing of those topics into personal attacks or insults or any vendettas played out be members who don't like each other.

- Dan

PS - Kuna and Simoni - can we meet in a private chat session (or *something*) to try to resolve the tensions? I value both of you - and it pains me to see you at constant odds with one another?

I respect his administration of this site and will not go against his wishes.  So I will ignore this latest round of attacks.

[pitbull]

Eduard,

Your business model seems to be working only in case your clients meet women with zero or very bad English language abilities (otherwise your service would be unnecessary right after you find profiles of potentially compatible women on the Russian dating sites since the two people would be able to communicate effectively without your help).
 I understand  if you don't want to answer this question, but do you intentionally avoid the profiles of women who are fluent in English when searching for your clients? If the answer is yes (and business wise it would make sense, since you have to make money from your interpreting/consulting), it seems to be a huge disservice for the clients. It seems to me that any sentient person would prefer to not have a "third wheel" when building a relationship if this can be avoided.
Also, from a woman's perspective...maybe I'm too proud but a date where there is a third person-an interpretor-that doesn't just do his/her job, but in your words "also carefully observe her and advice my client on my feelings about her sincerity, if i feel she genuinely likes him or that she might be pursuing a hidden agenda..." seems one hell of a nightmare date to me, borderline humiliation. I personally would see a woman who agrees to that as quite desperate. 

Ed, nothing personal, just observations on things that look like inconsistencies of the method 

[Eduard]

Eduard,

Your business model seems to be working only in case your clients meet women with zero or very bad English language abilities (otherwise your service would be unnecessary right after you find profiles of potentially compatible women on the Russian dating sites since the two people would be able to communicate effectively without your help).
 I understand  if you don't want to answer this question, but do you intentionally avoid the profiles of women who are fluent in English when searching for your clients? If the answer is yes (and business wise it would make sense, since you have to make money from your interpreting/consulting), it seems to be a huge disservice for the clients. It seems to me that any sentient person would prefer to not have a "third wheel" when building a relationship if this can be avoided.
Also, from a woman's perspective...maybe I'm too proud but a date where there is a third person-an interpretor-that doesn't just do his/her job, but in your words "also carefully observe her and advice my client on my feelings about her sincerity, if i feel she genuinely likes him or that she might be pursuing a hidden agenda..." seems one hell of a nightmare date to me, borderline humiliation. I personally would see a woman who agrees to that as quite desperate. 

Ed, nothing personal, just observations on things that look like inconsistencies of the method 

You do question my integrity here... but you are expressing your concerns and I can respect that. no offence taken.
First I'd like for you to watch the video on my site so you can get a better feel for what  dates are like. Keep in mind that the girls on the video felt a bit uncomfortable with the camera shooting them but not with me being around. In reality they actually bond with me very well and because we speak the same language they feel comfortable to share their thoughts with me. I actually am a fun person who likes to keep things light and joke around and that helps the date to be more fun. I believe that if you can make a girl laugh that's the ticket to her heart. Obviously I don't sit their and stair at a girl watching her every move and making her uncomfortable. I don't need to do that. I probably do exactly what you would do, just observe. The thing is since I know Russian women so well I can read their body language and things that are not being said or read between the lines like you will never be able to.
2. I absolutely do not try to stay away from girls that speak english. On the contrary, I usually give them priority. What you must understand that there are only very few women who will have fluent english. And even those with the fluent level of english still do not posess the knowledge of slang, American sence of humor, expressions, idiomas, figure of speach, etc. a lot gets lost or distorted in translation. I watch TV when I get a chance in Russia. more than 50% of their programming are American movies/shows translated into russian (by those  professional russians who are considered experts in english) You should see how they translate any time there is slang used or some figure of speach that they are not familiar with. It's usually whatever they think the phrase means and not what it really means. I often have a good laugh when I see how things get translated. Ever watched Jerry Springer in russian???? well, I have!
But the fact is that it is relatively rare that you find a woman who is a proffessional translator. The vast majority of the women who have a decent grasp of english language are usually lost after they get passed "hello, very nice to meet you" Then it's back to tarzan - Jane talk: Me Tarzan, you jane, we go eat? you can't get to know somebody talking like that, no frigging way!!! I have a few clients who I found girls for who do speak english. Even before we went to Russia they started communicating directly by email bypassing me. but then he would still copy me on their emails to help make sure that there were not any missunderstandings. And trust me there were! A couple of My clients who are applying for the K-1 visa for their english speaking girls right now are still calling me when they need to speak with their girls on the phone and we do a three way. What they find is that when they just want to call to say "hi I miss you, are you OK" that's enough. But if he needs to explain to his girl that DHS asked for proof of innoculations that she had or any other serious subject related to the application or their relationship they know that they can not communicate on a Jane/Tarzan level and they ask me to help out.
I have a client right now, whom I'm going to russia with in a couple of weeks who has russian routs and he actually speaks some russian (was Russian major at college) yet he is using my services because he realises how little he actually knows.
Who said it that "the more I know, the more I realise how little I know" I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I know that this is a profound statement. If only you could see what I see maybe you would appreciate my perspective.
May I ask you a question? Are you married to a Russian woman? What is your experience with this, Pitbul?

[Daveman]

....The thing is since I know Russian women so well I can read their body language and things that are not being said or read between the lines like you will never be able to.
...
May I ask you a question? Are you married to a Russian woman? What is your experience with this, Pitbul?

The irony here is simply hilarious.... 

[Eduard]

seems like another fun thread...just hope it won't turn into World war IV...

[Shadow]

Allright continuing the questions....
When you contact a woman, do you tell upfront who you are and that you contact heron behalf of a client, or does this come later ?
Do you work with Russian intemediates that follow the same kind of system, only the other way around ?

By the way Pitbull is a RW

[Simoni]

By the way Pitbull is a RW

Yep, she is.  She just picked a name that leads most here to see a male.  Remember the time Jack tore into him?  err... "her."

But I can understand Jack's mistake; did you notice that Pitbull has gender masked on her poster info?

The first time I talked to Pitbull in chat for half an hour is when I discoved her gender    LOL

[Gator]

Pitbull,

You make two valid points. 

1.  Speaking English - I attempted a relationship with a woman who spoke little English. In fact, I gave it my best effort.  And I failed.  I assume it was because we could not resolve our misunderstandings and could not communicate about complex subjects.  However, it is impossible to know what went wrong (because we could not communicate). 

2. 

"also carefully observe her and advice my client on my feelings about her sincerity, if i feel she genuinely likes him or that she might be pursuing a hidden agenda..." seems one hell of a nightmare date to me

It does seem like interrogation.  In 1987 I was interrogated for 15 minutes by three Soviet officials when I failed to stay in a hotel (where I could be watched) and did not register my visa.  Soviets are very good at interrogation.  I would not want to go through that again, nor would I expect a woman to feel comfortable in the presence of an observer working for the man.   Marriage counselors succeed in getting a man and woman to be open with their feelings only if both the man and woman believe the counselor is independent. 

Nevertheless, unless a man can spend a great amount of time with a woman from a different culture and not sharing a common language, advice from someone experienced in this endeavor is helpful.  

[pitbull]

Eduard,

I'm not a RW, however, I'm an FSUW, and have experience being married to an AM for more than 2 years.

Let me Quote your words:

"A couple of My clients who are applying for the K-1 visa for their english speaking girls right now are still calling me when they need to speak with their girls on the phone and we do a three way. What they find is that when they just want to call to say "hi I miss you, are you OK" that's enough. But if he needs to explain to his girl that DHS asked for proof of innoculations that she had or any other serious subject related to the application or their relationship they know that they can not communicate on a Jane/Tarzan level and they ask me to help out."

I have to disagree with this statement. Obviously, though you describe this level of a girl's English profeciency as decent, a Jane/Tarzan level is at best a beginner, not even intermediate. Any high school graduate in the FSU will be able to do that. If a man cannot communicate anything more than "hi, I miss you" to a woman he's filing a K-1 for,  without a translator, the relationship is simply not there. Again, your passage shows that for some reason the women your clients end up meeting have virtually zero English, even those you claim to have a decent level.
Also, I don't agree with your statement that it's almost impossible to find a RW with enough English to build a relationship independently.
I lived in a FSU country for 25 years, and before I met my husband my English was good enough to talk for hours on the phone and discuss everything from DHL requirements to International politics, Existentionalist philosophy or our life experiences and their implications in our present. Actually we got married because our communication was the best of all the people we dated.
And note, of my many girlfriends at least 10 have my level of English abilities and several are much better than I am...Half of these girls don't even have a degree in the English language.
As for the slang being a huge impediment in communication - one just shouldn't overuse it! (I see how it may be a problem however, from your video - the guy grossly overuses the F. word...did he say it in every sentence when on dates also?  ). BTW, I don't know all the English slang and idioms, but it doesn't prevent me from joking and laughing with my husband and his or/and mine American friends and colleagues.

I am not writing this to challenge your honesty or integrity - I just find some of your statements too rigid and misleading, and want to give a diffrent perspective for guys who want to build a relationship with a RW without constant presence of a "third wheel"

[Eduard]

Allright continuing the questions....
When you contact a woman, do you tell upfront who you are and that you contact heron behalf of a client, or does this come later ?
Do you work with Russian intemediates that follow the same kind of system, only the other way around ?

By the way Pitbull is a RW

What I do is once i create a profile for my client, I search for women that fit their criteria. Then I send them a short "hello, I liked your profile, would you like to get to know each other?" !!!In Russian!!!!Some women respond with something like "sure why not?" (in russian)
that's when I copy her photos and profile details, translate profile detains to english and send to my client. If my client likes what he sees he will write her a little more detailed letter that I will translate into Russian and forward to her on the site. So the first contact is made by me on behalf of my client, in Russian, then if a woman resonds my client takes over and I just do the translating and advising. Usually one of the first questions from a woman "How do you know Russian so well?" To which my clients responds "I have a Russian friend who is helping me with translation".
From that point on they write each other in their native language respectfully, and there is no issue of a language barrier whatsoever. many women have some knowledge of english and will even try to write in english. In that case i forward those to my client without translating. But most of the times it is very hard to read and my client will ask me about several points in a letter that are very hard to understand. And visa versa.
A client I'm flying with to Russia in a couple of weeks spoke to his girl in Kazan yesterday and told me that the apartment she found for us is a one room apartment. I knew that I asked her to find us a 2 room apartment so I asked him twice if he was shure that it was one room only and he was absolutely positive! I just spoke to her on the site because she was logged in at the same time i was forwarding his letters. And she told me that it was a 2 room apartment. So as you see there is plenty of room for missunderstanding and missenterpretation even though he speaks some Russian and she speaks some english!!!
For those of you that hasn't been in a situation like this it's probably difficult to understand. And those of you who has, on the other hand, will know exactly what I'm alking about!

[Eduard]

I think your statement of me being the third wheel is totally missleading. I go on the first couple of dates with a couple and help them get to know each other for as long as they want me there.
You make it sound like I'm some kind of a pest, but I assure you that both my client and his date really appreciate the fact that they can communicate freely with my help. When they want to be alone I leave them alone and go visit my family and friends.
I said that some women can understand decent english when they read it, but it is usually not enough to converse live and especially on the phone. your english is very good, but be honest and tell what is the percentage of women that possess your level of knowledge of english language? You said yourself that you were married to an AM for 2 years, so offcourse your english will be good after 2 years of living and breathing it!!! My wive's english is excellent now after 3 years in America even though we speak only Russian at home. And she only knew few words of english when she first came to the USA.
I think you are being missleading to American men, making them think that it is easy to find english speaking women in Russia with whom they can just communicate freely on their own. Yes there are some professional translators or college professors, but come on now!!! What is the percentage of those compared to the ones who either don't speak english at all, or very limited???

[pitbull]

Eduard,

You are not a pest, and your service is invaluable for guys who are willing to pursue women with very limited to no English abilities.

I'm simply stating that for guys that find good and clear communication (natural way, without facilitators) to be an essence of a relationship, and who would not therefore consider a woman with no English, the best method is to just look for women fluent in English. As simple as that. As to the question whether there are too few such women in the FSU (and your statement that they are virtually nonexistent), you contradict yourself. Particularly your statement that FSU women are highly intelligent and educated, many with two degrees. The definition of a highly educated professional nowadays naturally includes fluency in 1 or 2 foreign languages. English is the most popular foreign language to learn in the FSU. As to the statistics, a gave my own in the previous post - absolute majority of my girlfriends are at least as fluent in English as I am. Out of 12 of them only two have a degree in linguistics. I am a historian, btw. 
Btw, as I stated before, my English level was pretty much the same as it is now when I met my husband 2 years ago 

I'm not saying it is totally easy to find a girl as described in the FSU, but not really too difficult - girls on the dating and marriage sites, both Russian and International, typically state their fluency level. Considering the abundance of girls on those sites, it won't be hard to find plenty of those fluent in English, and then choose from the most compelling profiles. Just set your preference for "fluent English" when browsing the profiles.

Seems pretty easy to me. I wonder if something radically changed in the process in two years, and I'm just unaware of this 

In the end, to each his own. Mir? 

[Eduard]

Eduard,

You are not a pest, and your service is invaluable for guys who are willing to pursue women with very limited to no English abilities.

I'm simply stating that for guys that find good and clear communication (natural way, without facilitators) to be an essence of a relationship, and who would not therefore consider a woman with no English, the best method is to just look for women fluent in English. As simple as that.

And where do you propose they look for those women who are fluent in english? I've been doing this since 2002 and have explored many different avenues. But I'm yet to find a web site or an agency where American men can meet only women who are fluent in english.