Resource's to find RW's or UW's or any W but an AW

[solomon]

Solomon,

    Look at previous posts for details.  It all comes down to how much time, money and language expertise you have on your hands.  Tver ultimately proved to be the best place for me, but I used a reputable agency which since has embraced scam tactics so I no longer will recommend them since they are obviously using bait and switch tactics to hook men.  If you do not have much time and do not speak or understand Russian well I suggest you contact the owners of the agencies above plus a few more depending upon where you want to travel to.  Tell them your writing problems.  Ask them why they think this is happening.  After a while a common pattern may emerge and it will help you whittle the good from the bad agencies.  Pick a city you want to travel to preferably with a good agency to help and look for girls with and without the agency unless you do not have the money, time, confidence and language skills.  A good full service agency should be able to more expeditiously meet your goals.  At this point there are so few recommended full service agencies that your choices really are obvious, at least in Tver.

Please tell me what the few recommended full service agencies are where I can go to a city and use them. The reason I ask is because the agency that I went on a tour with in May is highly recommended by everyone that has spoken about it on this site and I wouldnt recommend it to my worst enemy. The was the consensus of virtually all of the 10 or so guys on this trip. The agency shall remain nameless to protect the guilty. Thanks.

[solomon]

Well, hell~!

Bruno's still here,,,, and I thought he'd banned himself.

I have no real interest in knowing that much about solomon's business; baker, shoemaker, or candlestick maker,,, it's all the same to me.

The opening post of the thread was vague, just anything but AW, and I thought that was being overly harsh on American women. If a 35 y.o. professional man can't find a wife in the town he lives in, he needs a change of venue. I've lived in Billings, Mt and I know the pickings are slim.

Now if he moved to Denver, or Dallas, or even better, Atlanta, I'm sure he'd change his tune. Dallas and Atlanta ARE the Pretty Woman Meccas of the USA. If a man is so ugly he can't find a nice woman in those cities he needs to shave his ass and learn to walk backwards.

I have a well established law practice on my hometown where I would lose in the low seven figures if I walked away from it. That is not cash on hand, but cases coming down the pike. Also, I like it here. There is a reason that people call it God's country.

[jb]

I have a well established law practice on my hometown where I would lose in the low seven figures if I walked away from it.

Are all of those seven figures to the left of the decimal point?  If they are, you don't need a wife, you need a body guard.  

Don't make the mistake of thinking you can go to some city in the FSU and buy a trophy wife, Scott Jay, (another rich and famose lawyer) made that mistake and lived to regret it.  I heard through the grapevine that he's pretty much out of the RW search business for good nowadays.  Once burned, twice shy, as they say.  But in his case I think he got burned twice before he figured it out.

[solomon]

From what you say, in your search you've exhausted your options at more than 10 marriage sites. Being a young, healthy American with a stable life and income is enough to initially attract most of the women on these sites.

Either:

You are not getting enough responses from the women you are writing to or you can not keep up your end of the correspondence. In this case I would say something is wrong with you or the way you present yourself.

Or:

Even with thousands of Russian women to choose from you are unable to find one that truly interests you. In this case, why are you searching for a Russian woman?

Or:

What is the case?

I believe you if you say your dating options are limited in Billings, Montana. I don't think that your experiences dating women there reflect American women as a whole. There are all kinds of women in the US, as there are in Russia, as there are all over the world. It seems that you are searching for a place where you can drop in and have your pick of wonderful women to take home as a wife. This place does not exist.

I've met plenty of guys here who do nothing but complain about American women (and sure, there are plenty of American women worth complaining about). People on this board may direct you to other countries such as Spain. There are men in Spain who complain about all Spanish women and go for a wife hunt in Russia as well. There are also men in Russia who complain about all Russian women and wish they could have a women from another country!

These men complain because they cannot attract the right women or they cannot attract women at all. The root of the problem is not in the women, it is in themselves.

If there is something in particular that draws you to Russian culture or people, they by all means search for a Russian woman. Your attitude of "anything but American women" shows that you are running away from and not towards something. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Maybe you are beginning to realize this in your search.

 

 

 

I used to believe that "the problem" was with me. I used to be rejected by women, hang my head, and say that something or things were wrong with me and that I would never. Then I woke up.

If a woman is not able to appreciate what I have to offer her, then it is her loss. I am talking about the things that give meaning to our lives--not material things. I feel sorry for them. Once I realized this a huge dark cloud was removed from my life.

I think I am also in a bad location. In Billings, most of the women that I meet are either too immature, are in a relationship, are divorced/single with 42 kids, or were recently released from either prison or an insane asylum. If I wanted to I could get married tomorrow. That is not the issue though.

I am searching for a former FSU bride for the obvious reasons that are discussed by the members of this board. I think the grass is greener on the other side. These are not the only women that I am considering, but when I compare them to AW's, I never want to think about AW's again. Most AW's are only looking at me because of my money or earning potential. She is thinking about a new Lexus, a condo in Big Sky, etc. The nanosecond that I sense this I exact poetic justice by summarily rejecting the girl.

[solomon]

I have a well established law practice on my hometown where I would lose in the low seven figures if I walked away from it.

Are all of those seven figures to the left of the decimal point? If they are, you don't need a wife, you need a body guard.

Don't make the mistake of thinking you can go to some city in the FSU and buy a trophy wife, Scott Jay, (another rich and famose lawyer) made that mistake and lived to regret it. I heard through the grapevine that he's pretty much out of the RW search business for good nowadays. Once burned, twice shy, as they say. But in his case I think he got burned twice before he figured it out.[/quote]jb, where did this come from? You made a statement and I responded. You may want to reread both of them.

[Turboguy]

Well, hell~!

I have no real interest in knowing that much about solomon's business; baker, shoemaker, or candlestick maker,,, it's all the same to me.

Gosh jb,  I have to compliment you.   You used to consider people lke bakers, shoemakers, candlestick makers, shop girls and bus drivers as low class.   I would think that that the old jb would have considered being a lawyer as being a more desirable occupation and and so it definately is not the same old you.   Contratualions.  Next thing you will probably like the French and be wanting to take Bruno out to dinner.

[user=118]jb[/user] wrote: Are all of those seven figures to the left of the decimal point? If they are, you don't need a wife, you need a body guard.    I have to say that was funny.

Solomon,   If most of us did not feel about the same way about American Women we wouldn't be here and that is the bottom line.

There are a lot of ways to work things.  Different people will have the best results in different ways.   You have a lot to work with so all you need to do is work out the finer points. 

It sounds like you have tried a romance tour with bad results.   I have tried 3 of them with EC and I had a blast but never got married from them.   A lot of guys seem to feel the best way is to just go to a city and chase the gals around the local Mcdonalds.   At my age they can run faster than I can so that does not work for me.   You would probably do great there.    I would suggest the smaller cities like Kazan, N. Novogorod, Tver,  Yoksur ola (I know i misspelled that, sorry)  or some of the smaller towns in Urkaine.    Find  an agency for back up.   I could wonder around the smaller towns for two lifetimes and not meet a gal, but your situation might be different.

You might just have to choose between the seven figures and the one on the gal you want to marry.  It takes time to do this.

Good luck

 

[jb]

I did read and respond.

First off, Billings is not a bad little city to live in, I have fond rememberances of Billings.  However, it is not in what I'd consider the most beautiful part of Montana, unless you like to hunt and fish.  I have some grand memories of drift fishing the Yellowstone north of the Yellowtail dam.  Trout as fat as footballs, and the pheasant hunting up there is one of the undiscovered treasures of this country.  But Billings itself is located on a high, cold, arid plain, almost a desert, much like Denver, not terribly scenic.

The ladies of Billings were nothing to write home about either.  It has been said that if you gathered all the people in the four states of Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, you'd have less population than live in the city of Denver.  Those are poor odds and great distances to deal with.

Just a quick question, are you a pilot?  I used to fly down from Montana for weekend get-aways to places like Aspen, Breckenridge, Winterpark, etc., always good places to meet up with the fairer sex.  Without getting into specifics, private airplanes are real babe magnets.  If you don't hold a pilots license, are reasonable fit and can pass the physical, you ought to consider taking it up.

I wish you well in your quest for a bride, but I question your motives and criterion.  FSU ladies are basically the same as AW in every regard except language and cooking skills.  Most can't cook worth a damn.

[jb]

T-Guy,

You used to consider people like bakers, shoemakers, candlestick makers, shop girls and bus drivers as low class.   I would think that that the old jb would have considered being a lawyer as being a more desirable occupation and and so it definately is not the same old you.

I have to assume everyone starting this game has the wherewithall to do it, until they indicate they can't cut it I don't discourage anyone from seeking his love from east of the Danube.  But I'm not overly fond of lawyers either.

Next thing you will probably like the French and be wanting to take Bruno out to dinner.

Don't hold your breath on that one.

[Jooky]

Fair enough, but as a consequence of you living in a bad location for dating purposes I believe that your perspective is skewed.

Although there are certainly gold digging women in the US, I have never resorted to dating one. I can't even recall having a conversation with one. They are certainly not the American majority. There are plenty of gold digging women in the FSU as well. Many of the men involved in this crazy affair have run into them, dated them, and even married them.

In your other thread it seems that in your opinion the woman you were about to marry was primarily interested in your money. You say that likely she wanted to take you on a two year ride so you could pay her way through dental school. Right?

Now you say you have searched many sites and are coming up empty handed. Are you being rejected? Or are you not finding any women that meet your requirements? You mention the problems that you had dating back home: women either rejected you or you found them undesireable. It seems you are encountering the same problems in the FSU.

What is the problem with the women on the sites you mentioned? Are the women losing interest, or are you?

Either way, so far the grass on the other side seems the same, doesn't it?

I never believed the agency hype about Russian women. I had already been to Russian and made many Russian friends before I first read the fantasy hype. I do like most of Russian women I know, but not for the reasons usually given on these boards.

The unfortunate truth is that anywhere you go where simply being an American gives you an advantage with the local women, you are bound to encounter the women you are trying to avoid. Yes, you can also find the type of woman you are looking for, but just like finding her back home, it is not an easy task.

My personal advice on avoiding the gold diggers and meeting a good woman in Russia: Avoid tours like a plague. Avoid agencies. Learn to speak Russian. Be prepared to travel to Russia often and enjoy it. Don't give up on local women. Don't categorize women from any country. Relax. Be confident. Don't worry. Above all, enjoy the journey and you will arrive at the right destination.

 

 

 

[solomon]

You might just have to choose between the seven figures and the one on the gal you want to marry.  It takes time to do this.

 

This would seem to be only if I had to abandon my law practice. Right?

[solomon]

FSU ladies are basically the same as AW in every regard except language and cooking skills.

I can only assume that you are kidding.

[solomon]

Fair enough, but as a consequence of you living in a bad location for dating purposes I believe that your perspective is skewed.

Although there are certainly gold digging women in the US, I have never resorted to dating one. I can't even recall having a conversation with one. They are certainly not the American majority. There are plenty of gold digging women in the FSU as well. Many of the men involved in this crazy affair have run into them, dated them, and even married them.

In your other thread it seems that in your opinion the woman you were about to marry was primarily interested in your money. You say that likely she wanted to take you on a two year ride so you could pay her way through dental school. Right?

Now you say you have searched many sites and are coming up empty handed. Are you being rejected? Or are you not finding any women that meet your requirements? You mention the problems that you had dating back home: women either rejected you or you found them undesireable. It seems you are encountering the same problems in the FSU.

What is the problem with the women on the sites you mentioned? Are the women losing interest, or are you?

Either way, so far the grass on the other side seems the same, doesn't it?

I never believed the agency hype about Russian women. I had already been to Russian and made many Russian friends before I first read the fantasy hype. I do like most of Russian women I know, but not for the reasons usually given on these boards.

The unfortunate truth is that anywhere you go where simply being an American gives you an advantage with the local women, you are bound to encounter the women you are trying to avoid. Yes, you can also find the type of woman you are looking for, but just like finding her back home, it is not an easy task.

My personal advice on avoiding the gold diggers and meeting a good woman in Russia: Avoid tours like a plague. Avoid agencies. Learn to speak Russian. Be prepared to travel to Russia often and enjoy it. Don't give up on local women. Don't categorize women from any country. Relax. Be confident. Don't worry. Above all, enjoy the journey and you will arrive at the right destination.

 

 

 

Jooky, the more you write the more respect I have for you. I dont think most AW's are gold diggers, but there is a hefty chunk. Most AW's and AM's like to peg people by social status, and this usually means what one does for a living. I frequently tell women that I clean sewage pipes for a living simply because the question is annoying. I respect people for who they and not what they do for a living. My single father tells most women that he is a homeless transient and can convince them of it, although he is well heeled, educated, intelligent, etc.

I am not sure if Vika is interested in money. I think she believes I am loaded and can therefore solve all her financial problems. Regardless of my situation, she sounds like the typical AW that I meet.

There are very few women that I have contacted that have flat out rejected me that I know about. I receive quite a few no responses, but for unexplainable reasons. I received an email from one girl rejecting me that my stomach hurt for a day from laughing so hard. I have no idea why she even responded.

As Bruno can testify to, I think alot of the women meet my requirements. No kids, 22-28, attractive, no more than 55kg. I am not sure if the women are losing interest. I have several that have been stalwarts for months. I suspect that some of them are inundated with mail from other men. The distinction for me though is that I tell all of them that I have been to the Ukraine before and I am coming back (unlike most keyboard cowboys). I dont lose interest typically, unless she turns out to be a man.  

I think that the grass is greener on the other side. Although the relationship went belly up, there is no woman that has walked this continent that has treated me as well as Vika (and I reciprocated).

[BC]

No solomon, I do not think he is kidding..

'She' will pick up many aspects of life in her new home.  To think the adjustment is limited to learning the language is a bit naive.

[solomon]

No solomon, I do not think he is kidding..

'She' will pick up many aspects of life in her new home. To think the adjustment is limited to learning the language is a bit naive.

So why are we wasting our time? My experiences and those of others are to the contrary.

[BC]

So why are we wasting our time? My experiences and those of others are to the contrary.

I personally think the majority of RW 'Interested' are doing exactly this.

[BC]

My personal advice on avoiding the gold diggers and meeting a good woman in Russia: Avoid tours like a plague. Avoid agencies. Learn to speak Russian. Be prepared to travel to Russia often and enjoy it. Don't give up on local women. Don't categorize women from any country. Relax. Be confident. Don't worry. Above all, enjoy the journey and you will arrive at the right destination.

hear ye.. hear ye..

I usually don't 'do' one liner responses but you make so much sense in your posts Jooky that there isn't anything substantial I could add.

Would love to hear your version of the tablets..

[Turboguy]

You might just have to choose between the seven figures and the one on the gal you want to marry.  It takes time to do this.

 

This would seem to be only if I had to abandon my law practice. Right? [/quote]
That was not what I meant Solomon.   When I said choose between the seven figures, I mean the seven figures.   I meant you might have to make taking the time to spend hunting for a gal a priority and have to settle for a law practice that generated figures in the high six figures for a while.

Personally I think there is something wrong with your approach.  Now I would be willing to take your case on a contingincy basis.   We don't get you hooked up with the right gal you owe nothing but we get you married to a beautiful, wonderful shapely winner I get her 35% of the time.    Just kidding.

I do think there is something in either the way you are presenting yourself or the way you come off to the gals in your correspondence.   That is pretty close to the same thing.   I think that is what is creating your problem.   Here you seem like a nice guy with good intentions.  You seem like most women would consider you highly desirable for many reasons.   Perhaps your real expectations are different that what you are telling us.   I think that is not the case though. 

I spent a lot of years working in marketing and always looked at presenting myself as marketing.   You have heard the term Test marketing.   Try it.   Take whatever you tell the gals and come up with different letters.   Make one a little more fun loving, make one very romantic, make one a little shorter, make one a little longer, make one a little more humble.   Try each letter with 20 gals and keep track of the results.   Don't talk too much about possessions or "things"     Don't forget that being a lawyer there is not as prestegious as being one here.   Over there shop girls and lawyers have about the same income.   Sometimes I think it would be better if it were that way here with all the stupid lawsuits that go on but that is not directed at you.

Study Russian.  It won't hurt and if you are going to persue an FSU woman it will come in handy.   Try some agencies, try some lisitings make some trips, you can sometimes meet people in the strangest ways too.  I have heard of people meeting their woman on ICQ or pen pal sites.   Play a numbers game.   Just keep trying.  It will happen.   You got close once.  Hang in there.

[jb]

jb wrote: FSU ladies are basically the same as AW in every regard except language and cooking skills.

I can only assume that you are kidding.

I am absolutely not kidding.  Other than her delightful Russian accent, my wife of almost 4 years is as Americanized as any of her USA bred sisters.  They adjust and adapt very quickly.

[Bruno]

I have heard of people meeting their woman on ICQ or pen pal sites.

ICQ and meetic ( free ) : http://www.icq.com/xtraz_devcenter/find_a_date/

 

[jb]

So why are we wasting our time?

Then BC wrote:

I personally think the majority of RW 'Interested' are doing exactly this.

BC has said it exactly right, if a man thinks a RW is going to solve all of his "wife" problems, that she is going to somehow be a "Stepford Wife"; that she will be a never-complaining, cookie-baking, home maker, that satifies your desire to return to a happier time when wives knew their place and were content within it, you will need to guess again.

If a man is socially inept around women, having a RW wife will only magnify and exacerbate his problems.  Russian women are strong natured people and will assume control in a heart beat.  Be very careful of what you wish for, you might just get it.

[ConnerVT]

I can only assume that you are kidding.

[/quote]

I am absolutely not kidding. Other than her delightful Russian accent, my wife of almost 4 years is as Americanized as any of her USA bred sisters. They adjust and adapt very quickly.[/quote]
YMMV for each individual, but jb is pretty close to the truth on this.  My wife has been here for 15 months, and has adapted her lifestyle and habits to more resemble an American than I think she has even noticed.  There were several occasions on her current trip home where she even was irritated by attitudes and things in Russia that she would not had ever noticed if not for being in America for some time.

For some background, she is in her mid-30's, and always been a bit of a rebellious one (Mama calls her the "Miraculous Child").  But the older a person is, the less quickly/likely they will change their ways.  But there is now a strong blend of both American and Russian ways about her.  I can only expect that this will continue.

Last night, I spent the evening with a couple who's wife is younger (mid 20's) who has been in the US for almost two years.  Her 'adjustment" has happened at even a quicker pace than my wife's.

All people change, especially when a large change is made to their environment.  It is foolish to think otherwise...

[ConnerVT]

If a man is socially inept around women, having a RW wife will only magnify and exacerbate his problems. Russian women are strong natured people and will assume control in a heart beat. Be very careful of what you wish for, you might just get it.

Funny how that famous Ron Woody quote always seems to pop into my head everytime we get around to this subject...

[Todd]

Just to second the market research idea of Turboguy's. ...One of the most important things about placing an online ad is the picture.  At least one of the pictures should be formal and one a little less so.  Look at some of your recent pictures and pick three of each.  Then, place them on Hot Or Not and get them rated.  You will be surprised by how different some of the ratings will be.  The great thing about the site is that since they don't know you, they don't have to be polite.  Since the picture is very critical, it never hurts to put your highest rated pictures forward.

[solomon]

I have heard of people meeting their woman on ICQ or pen pal sites.

ICQ and meetic ( free ) : http://www.icq.com/xtraz_devcenter/find_a_date/

 
[/quote]Bruno, appreciate the ICQ suggestion. Suggesting for American women or others? Or both? Thanks.

[Bruno]

Bruno, appreciate the ICQ suggestion. Suggesting for American women or others? Or both? Thanks.

Since icq and meetic is worldwide, why limit yourself to a country... maybe the woman of your dream is in USA, or Russia... and why not china or near !!!

I have always find very beautiful woman from kyrgystan... several are a mix of slavic and asian blood... stunning beauty...

Limit yourself to some country can make you miss the right one...

But be ready to use a lot of time... if you find a woman via meetic, it mean that the woman use ICQ... so be ready to have chat session almost each say... actualy, i am myself busy with one woman, almost two hour chat each day... and it is a wonder to see how much fast that you can build a relation... it is more direct that e-mail, not a lot of thinking time for reply make it more honest... in one evening, you can already say if the woman is not the right one...

Audio and video chat is better but several russian woman have not a high band connection... of when they use internet club, these have not the material needed...

It is only a other way for your quest... you have several... by example, for these who are religious, you have "christian connection"...