Scam 101 revisted

[Jack]

It's been a while since I have added anything to my Scam 101 classes.

Mostly for you new guys, secondly because you experienced and married guys will get a chuckle out of this, I present Scam 101 revisted.




There is a lot of scam out there today coming from a couple of hotbed areas. In Russia the Yosh-Ola region, including Kazan, is the current scam capitol of the FSU  (this is only my opinion but based on an average 10 to 15 scam reports a week over the last eleven years).  The second and third areas are coming out of Ukraine and will be (1) the Mariupol/Meltipol area with a little influence from Donestk and (2) the Lugansk region.


None of these three hotbed's of scam can get to any of you men who just use a little common sense.  We have all heard never send any money to a woman you have never met.  No one can never be scammed out of money if he obeys this rule.   Is there a possible exception to this?   Yes, I think so (again, only my opinion here). 

If by chance you think you are corresponding with a real and sincere woman and she is with an agency, you need to have her communicating with you outside the agency as soon as you can.  Once you can get the ladies direct contact information you then ask this lady to begin writing you directly at a local i-net cafe of her choosing. If the woman agrees then in this case I will send $20 for a month's worth of internet cafe.  The $20 should be more than enough for the time she will go to i-net cafe, average twice, sometimes three trips a week, and her transportation.  The woman is more than likely choosing an i-net cafe close to her home, or work, or school, so travel expense based on metro and mini-buses is likely to be minimal.

After one month of direct contact with this lady I am going to have a good feel as to if I proceed with a second month.  If I think I'm being played or scammed,  I lost, or was scammed, out of $20.  If I feel she is real and has good and serious intentions I'm going to invest in a second months i-net use for this lady.  If I'm not going to see her within two and a half months I have no business writing her, or any woman (again, only my opinion).

This is the only time I will send money, or recommend a client to send money, to a woman he has never met.



Ok, on to Scam 101.





I had saw this rather attractive lady on some i-net site maybe 8 weeks ago, wrote her and a few days later got her reply. I felt it was pretty much scam with her first reply but I can often learn new things when I play a lot of these scams out.




Her first letter


Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: from Helena


> Hello dear Jack!
>
> Just  let  me  introduce myself like as a person who want to
> communicate  with  you. My  name is Helena and i am 30 years
> old.  It  is  so  nice  that I have an opportunity to become
> happy. It is one of the important condition of person's soul
> to  be happy to my mind. I hope that you'll agree with me. I
> want  to  be  happy  and  I want people surrounding me to be
> happy  too.  I am looking for my second half, my second part
> and  I hope so do you. and it can be the real chance for us.
> i dream about mutual understanding, about love and tender. I
> dream  about  romantic  relationship  and  about  strong and
> careful  man's  hands.  I  want to love and be loved. do you
> agree with me that world can't exist without love and mutual
> understanding. i dream about that special man who will trust
> me  and who'll be able to be sincere with me because i think
> that  people  should trust each other and share al their joy
> and  sadness.  I hope you know that ancient story by Platon.
> He told that long ago there was a very strange creature with
> four  arms  and four legs and then something happen and it's
> body broken to two pieces. So from that time these two parts
> have  been  going  all  over  the world and looking for each
> other. So it is the explanation of such feeling of love. And
> so do I, like one of those parts, I try to find that special
> part. I hope to hear you soon, i think that we should try to
> begin our relations.>
>
> truly yours,
> Helena.







I tell Helen thanks for writing me back. I also tell her that I think it's a waste of time to try to know her if we cannot communicate directly and ask's if she knows how to speak English. 

I also ask if she might be part of any translation service.  (In the Lugansk region this makes up over 90% of the scamming, from so called translation agencies).  I tell Helena that I think most translation agencies are scam and am curious as to if she is using such a service.

I don't write Helena a long letter, basically hello, thanks for writing, don't want to waste your time, can you speak a little English and do you use the services of a translation agency.

[Jack]

Almost three weeks later Helena writes back.   Why three weeks one might think?  Well Helena said it was because she was ill.   I think it is because it was the holidays and I think most scammers take off of work to enjoy the holidays.

Helena sends a nice photo of herself, in her bra no less.  Heck, this Helena is trying to get me excited I think.

In Helena's letter below you will see, although it is a true form letter, she has added a few lines to address the only things I asked her from my previous e-mail.

She say's she really cannot speak English, and yes, she does have to use a translation agency.




Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:16 AM
Subject: from Helena


> Hello my dear Jack,
>
> First  of  all,  I  want to present you my apologies for the
> long  silence,  it  was  because of my illness, I was in the
> hospital  and  could  not  write you. I am so happy to get a
> letter  from you. It is so nice that my words about love and
> feelings  has  come  to your heart and you decided to answer
> me. If it is so I can say bravely that you are the right man
> whom   I   want   to  see  every  day,  moment  and  minute.
>  What about my English,  I have to tell you that I do not
> know English just some  words  and phrases, I can't
> speak English fluently and  so I use translation
> service to communicate with you. I know  that  many
> people don't like the translation service or just don't 
> trust  them but I don't have any other opportunity to
> correspond  with  you.  I'd  like  to  meet  person  who can
> understand  me, who can see the beauty. It is not only about
> appearance but also about the beauty that you can find in my
> soul  and  in  my heart. Just I am so happy that in spite of
> all  the obstacles that we can meet on our way to each other
> you decided to write me. I proud of you. I really think that
> when  people  are  in a couple they become stronger and they
> are  the  great  power because they have special feelings to
> each  other.  Do  you  agree  with me? I'd like to know your
> opinion.  I  prefer mutual understanding between people from
> the  first  steps  in  their relations. I hope you think the
> same.  You  are  very  nice and I want to tell you my strong
> position in life. What do you think about such saying like "
> Knock, and the door will be opened!" ? I hope you understand
> what I mean. I know that we should knock at the doors of our
> happy  life  and  only  then it will be opened. I think that
> people  shouldn't  sit  at the same place and do nothing and
> waiting  that  happiness  come  at the same time. So you see
> that  I  like  words but deeds are the most important in the
> relations  between  people.  So  we  are  here, we try to be
> happy.  and  it is my special dream - all people to be happy
> on  this  planet.  And may be you'll the first person whom I
> can  help  to  be  happy.  Am I right? And what do you think
> about   relations   between  man  and  woman?  What  is  the
> fundamental feature for you? Then, you see that there are so
> many  themes for us to discuss. I am very open-minded person
> and  I  think  that I can understand everything but not lie.
> You  can  write me all your thoughts, wishes and desires. We
> are  humans  and  it  is so nice to be sincere. Do you agree
> with  me?  So  I try to start. I want to tell you some facts
> from  my  life,  may  be it will be the next step to be more
> intimate. You know that my name is Helena. I'm 30. I work as
> a  teacher  of  Ukrainian  language. What about my family? I
> live  with my Mom only since my parents were divorced when I
> was  13  years  old.  And then from that time I thought that
> love can't exist. But now I want to prove that it was false,
> it  was  my  mistake.  I  really want to find my LOVE and my
> special  man.  I  want to have a family and children. Do you
> love  children?  As for me they are like our mirrors. And we
> can  help  them  to be stronger and better then we are. So I
> hope  that  this  letter  was  not too boring for you. And I
> really  wait for your reply. I shall think about you and may
> be I shall hear your sooner.
>
> Sincerely yours, Helena.







I write Helena back and tell her I really think it is a waste of time in trying to meet since we cannot communicate directly with each other.  However if and when she can learn a little English I would like to begin writing you at that time.

I wish Helen good luck.

[Jack]

Letter three comes.  Nice photo Helena!   Yea, Helena is a nice looking babe, that's for sure. My, my, my, not many 30 year old's here in the states with that type of body.

Helena writes back that she is disappointed that I think it is a waste of time to communicate and that she is sure she can change my mind if I will only try to get to know her.   Her letter is below.




Hello my dear Jack,

I  waited  for  your  answer  impatiently. Then this miracle
happened.  It  is so wonderful that you decided to answer my
letter.  I  hoped  that  my  thoughts would be close to you,
because  from our first letters I was interested with you. I
feel  something  special  to you. It's a pity that you think
that  we  can't  be a couple, but I try to prove you that we
can.  I think that we have something in common, I think that
we  soul  mate. And so I waited for your reply every minute.
It  is  very  important to me, you know. I know that one day
come  when I open my eyes and can say that I am the happiest
woman in the world and I hope that the man who would be near
can tell the same. I want to be closer to you. I want you to
know  more  about  me, I want to know more about you. I want
investigate  your  body  and soul... then as for to my story
from  the  childhood,  I  had lived in little place near the
capital of our country, near Kiev. And then my family had to
go  to  the Eastern part of Ukraine, I was very glad because
to  live  with  father  and mother where ever they want is a
great  joy  for me. But then they divorced and I had to stay
here  with my mum. I love her very much. She is a woman with
strong  heart.  She loves me and she devoted all her life to
me.  I  appreciate  it  and now I try to help her as more as
possible.  And  what about your childhood? I know that every
child  has  a dream in his childhood. It is very interesting
for  me.  Did you have a dream in your childhood and what it
was?  Could  you tell me? As for me, the main aim of my life
is  children, like our future. You know that I am a teacher,
since  my  childhood  I  knew  that  I would be a teacher. I
dreamed  about  it  and  then I played such game like I am a
teacher  and  dolls  that  surrounded  me  was  my pupils. I
imagined  that  I  would  be  very important person in their
lives. I tried to know more and to tell them everything that
I  know.  I liked to check their exercise books, I gave them
homework.  (  and then I did it by myself) Now I remember it
with  a smile. Now I am a teacher and I stay near blackboard
and  try to learn them everything I know. It is so wonderful
to  see  a  lot  of sparkling eyes in the classroom. At such
moments  I  realize that I live not in vain. my job connects
with  studying Ukrainian. But I haven't enough time to study
English.  So  I  use translation service to communicate with
you.  Do  you like your work? Once I heard such thought that
happiness  is  when you get up in the morning and go to your
work  with  a  great pleasure and in the evening you go home
with  the  same  feeling of pleasure. And I think that it is
true. And what about you? I miss real relations, I miss love
and I miss tender, care and I hope that you feel the same. I
will  wait  for  your next letter with thoughts that you are
the right man in my life. You can be my Miracle! I miss your
letters,

your waiting Helena.







I write Helena back (damn, that beautiful photo of her's must have did it).



Hello Helena,

I think if two people cannot communicate directly with each other then it
will be difficult for them to learn about each other.

Ok, if you are real and if you are serious here is what I will do.  I will send someone by your flat, they will talk to you and they will begin to teach you English lessons at a time that is good for you. Maybe Tuesday's and Thursday's at 7pm is good for you. Maybe Saturday mornings beginning at 10 or 11am is good for you.

I have three or four very good people who live in Eastern Ukraine who teach English.

So now we separate those who are real and serious from those who are just  playing.  Helena if as you write in your e-mails you would like to know me, to meet me, please send me your flat address.  This should be a simple request and I ask you to send this information to me in your next e-mail. if not soon I will be getting an e-mail from your translation agency telling me that you have no more money in your account.  This is a common trick used by scam translation agencies.  Hopefully your translation agency is a good one.

So Helena with great excitement I will watch for your next e-mail which will
include your flat address, not the address of some friend, but your flat
address.

Jack

[Jack]

Whoaaaaa, yea baby, Helena wrote me back.    And nice photos.

I think Helena is trying to sucker me in with her sexy photos.  What do you think? 

The more I tell her no, the more sexy photos I am getting.




So here is Helena's  fourth letter.




----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: from Helena


> Hello my dear Jack,
>
> Thank  you very much for your reply! It seemed for me that I
> waited it for ages. And now it is so pleasant to read it. It
> is  like  little  line  path  that  can blind us together. I
> always  think about it. And it is not an easy thing to build
> some  true and sincere relations through the net. But I know
> that  we are strong and we'll overcome all the obstacles. Do
> you  agree  with  me?  I have a question to you Jack. As you
> know  I  live  in Rodakovo so, how do your people come to my
> place  without  invitation?  It's impolitely! Anyway, if you
> need  my  home address, here it is: St. Druzhba 17/11. Today
> we  have  a bad weather and it is cold here. And you know, I
> feel little cold in my heart. I'd like you to be here and to
> warm me here. I live with the thought that I am not alone on
> this  planet  and  such  special man exists. I wait for your
> letters  like a little warm breath in my life. I am so happy
> that  we found each other. And I think that the main part of
> it  is  your  desert.  And I want to reward you according to
> your  deserts.  I  need your letters, I need your warm words
> and  I need you. I think so and may be I feel so. It is very
> nice  when  you  have  person  whom  you  can trust all your
> thoughts  wishes and desires. Are you agree with me? My days
> are long without such lovely warms. Then how do you do? Tell
> me about your simple working day. It is very interesting for
> me  how  you spend your days. What is your favorite pastime?
> Do  you have some romantic dreams? I'd like to know about it
> because  I  hope  that one day I can help to make it true. I
> have  some romantic dreams too. I'll tell you about it in my
> next  letter. I don't want to bore you with my long letters.
> I know that you are a very busy man and I try to become even
> little  part  of  your  life.  But I respect your mind, your
> style of life, your interests. And I want to know everything
> about you. I wait for your reply.
>
> Sincerely yours, Helena.








Don't know if I will get a fifth reply or not but based on the photos she is sending, I hope she replies back!!!!

Usually the scam translation agency will send out a photo such as these last two before they write you with the "Were sorry to tell you that your lady Helena has no more credit's left on her account.  If you would like blah, blah, blah"



And here is my reply to Helena.







Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: from Helena




> Hello my dear Jack,


Hello Helena,



>
> Thank  you very much for your reply! It seemed for me that I
> waited it for ages. And now it is so pleasant to read it. It
> is  like  little  line  path  that  can blind us together. I
> always  think about it. And it is not an easy thing to build
> some  true and sincere relations through the net. But I know
> that  we are strong and we'll overcome all the obstacles. Do
> you  agree  with  me?


I think if two people have a real and sincere interest to meet, and after meeting they have good feelings about each other, than yes, I agree with you.




> I have a question to you Jack. As you
> know  I  live  in Rodakovo so, how do your people come to my
> place  without  invitation?  It's impolitely!


Helena, it is why I am asking you now, so it would be polite.  Helena I have people who work with me in Lugansk.  So I will ask one of my associates to hand deliver you a gift.



> Anyway, if you need  my  home address, here it is: St. Druzhba 17/11.


Helena of course you know you are a beautiful woman.  I would like to make sure you are real. There is a lot of scam in and around Lugansk, I know this very well.  I would like to write you and to meet you, I just want to make 100% sure that you are real.  So I would like to have someone who works with me to hand deliver a gift to your flat and meet you.

Can you tell me the best time to make such a delivery?  I was thinking on a Monday through Thursday at about 8:30pm.  Would this be a good time for you?

And I would like to make 100% sure there is no mistake with your address and I have it correctly, the address is St. Druzhba 17/11,  Rodakova.  Yes?    Do you have a flat phone number? 

You know I usually stay at the Hotel Druzhba in Lugansk.  Your street name is the same as my preferred hotel.


> Today we  have  a bad weather and it is cold here. And you know, > I feel little cold in my heart. I'd like you to be here and to
> warm me here.


I would like this as well and I might try to come see you in the next month.



>  I live with the thought that I am not alone on
> this  planet  and  such  special man exists. I wait for your
> letters  like a little warm breath in my life. I am so happy
> that  we found each other.


Well, I think we will have found each other after we have met.



> And I think that the main part of
> it  is  your  desert.  And I want to reward you according to
> your  deserts.  I  need your letters, I need your warm words
> and  I need you. I think so and may be I feel so. It is very
> nice  when  you  have  person  whom  you  can trust all your
> thoughts  wishes and desires. Are you agree with me?


da, da, daaaa.


Jack





If I get a 5th (or 6th) reply will let you guys know.

[BC]

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Oh yeah..I forgot.. you're irresistible.

this is scam 101?

[Gator]

BC,

I think this is Scam 101 for some guys.  If the approach is not duping some men, how can you explain that these agencies stay in business.

Jack,
I think you should give Helena a break.  She wants to have children and she is proving in her photos that she has more than adequate vessel storage capacity for nursing your babies.

For a serious note - I never wrote to any woman who had a photo such as Helena's first one.  Yes, she is attractive in this photo and it is not overtly sexy, but she is so made up that it turns me off.   She does not look wholesome.  It reeks of "Pay me money because I am beautiful."

Also, Helena's letters sound impersonal and fabricated.  Nothing about them is friendly, spontaneous and sincere.   The letters from scamming agencies always seem to be like this.   Such a letter would not compel me to write again.

I have broken all the rules and have never been scammed.  Call me stupid, but over the years I have sent $200-300 to five different women for travel expenses to meet me for the first time.  They all showed, and they all were sincere.  Perhaps I was lucky.  I am not suggesting that every man do this, yet I believe much can be ascertained about the woman's sincerity from long telephone conversations. 

You may suggest that my women did not look as good as Helena.  Yet, considering my age, they were fabulous and they all liked me.  This is my fiancee after a long morning in NYC, and IMO she seems wholesome unlike your Helena. 

[Serebro]

Gator, your lady is very beautiful, did you live in NYC?!

[Gator]

Thank you Serebro.  She is very modest yet would appreciate your compliment.

I have only lived in New York state while going to graduate school.  She was here for two months and we visited New York City for a few days.  She loved the City but preferred my home of Tampa, Florida.  She thought Dallas was a big village.   

[acrzybear]

She thought Dallas was a big village. 

Gator

A dangerous thing to say with all the Texans here, but due to her beauty and your vouching for her I'll give her a pass this time

[Jack]

Like my Helena?   Gator, how did she become my Helena?

Gator, in the very first photo Helena displayed on the i-net site I saw of her she also looked very wholesome, much like the photo of your fiancée. After receiving her first reply and seeing her second photo it took me like all of four seconds to know this was a scam. Often I play these out just to get the name of the scam translating agency or the name they give to send money to Western Union.  Both of these are good things to know and record into my scam folder.

In this case I thought it would be good to show the new guys the form letters, the OBVIOUS impersonal, unfriendly and fabricated form letter being used, as well how the scam translating agency will try to use sexy photos to draw in dummies.


Your fiancée looks pretty good Gator. Here is photo of my girlfriend Tayana. I think she looks pretty wholesome herself.

[Gator]

Jack,

We both have women too good for us.  Delightful coronet.  Does she believe you when you write Helena that it is for business research?

Crazybear,

Maybe my friends and I did not take her to the best places in Dallas.  She did enjoy riding the mechanical bull.  In fact, she would not fall off.  Every time she started to lean, the operator would slow the bull to ease her fall only to have her right herself.  Three such episodes and he hit high gear, whereupon she landed on her derrier, amid much cheering.  The Texas dancing style was a turnoff, but I am not a good dancer and could not lead her.  A real Texan perhaps would have given her a better impression.

[Jack]

Jack, We both have women too good for us.  Delightful coronet.  Does she believe you when you write Helena that it is for business research?

Yes Gator, I think all the good and sincere Russian/Ukraine women I have been close to were wonderful.  Nothing like I could find in America.

Do you think I am fullish enough to tell any of the ladies I am close to that I write other ladies?  Of course not, one never does that.  And remember Gator, I am just dating at the moment, not looking for a wife. 

[Serebro]

Do you think I am fullish enough to tell any of the ladies I am close to that I write other ladies?  Of course not, one never does that.  And remember Gator, I am just dating at the moment, not looking for a wife. 

you mean you are a sexual tourist?!

[Jack]

Not at all Sombero.   I have a business that allows me to spend three months a year in Ukraine, one month a year in Russia.

[Serebro]

Not at all.   I have a business that allows me to spend three months a year in Ukraine, one month a year in Russia.

Yes, I know, your profile says you are an agency owner.
At the same time you post a photo of your "girlfriend"

Here is photo of my girlfriend Tayana. I think she looks pretty wholesome herself.

and photos of other girls hugging you and you write and your gf doesn't have to be jealous as

I am just dating at the moment, not looking for a wife

Does your girlfriend know about your current plans for the future?!
I work as a rialtor but I didn't know that I can date all my clients and hug them and post our pictures online saying that there's no need for my boy friend to be jealous as it's only business...
 i am trying to find the difference between having a gf, dating many other girls without having an  aim to be married one day and to be a sexual tourist.What is the difference?!

[Jack]

Yes, I know, your profile says you are an agency owner.

Very good SombraroSerebro.  Then you realize I am not a tourist. Glad you understand that.

  At the same time you post a photo of your "girlfriend" and photos of other girls hugging you and you write and your gf doesn't have to be jealous as Does your girlfriend know about your current plans for the future?!

yes SombraroSerebro, all the ladies I date, as well as ladies I would like to date, know I have no plans to get married in the immediate future.  And I will tell you what I tell these ladies.  I am not looking for a wife right now, however it could be in two weeks, it could be in two months, it could be during this coming fall or next spring that I could meet a woman who rocks my world and when I meet such a woman I will see her exclusively for some time, 6 months, a year, enough time so we can get to know each other and hopefully we fall in love. Then I will marry.   

And SombraroSerebro, where did I write my girlfriend doesn't have to be jealous?

I work as a rialtor but I didn't know that I can date all my clients and hug them

SombraroSerebro, I do not understand what you are saying here.  Could you please explain into a little more detail what you are trying to say?

  i am trying to find the difference between having a gf, dating many other girls without having an  aim to be married one day and to be a sexual tourist.What is the difference?!

What is the difference between being a sex tourist and having a girlfriend (if your referring to me SombraroSerebro I have a few girlfriends) and dating many girls without having an aim to be married?


First SombraroSerebro I think to be able to answer your question I need to ask you to please define, in your mind, what is a sex tourist.


SombraroSerebro I hate to break this news to you, as I know this is the case in both America and Russia, but we have many, many, many people who date many members of the opposite sex (some date members of the same sex but that's another story) in Russia and in America, who are just not ready for marriage.  Are you suggesting that if people are not ready to marry that they should not date?  Or are you suggesting that if people are ready to get married, they should only date one person?   If you are suggesting this then SombraroSerebro I'm afraid your not to aware of what is happening in your own back-yard.


SombraroSerebro I think you need to sit down for this.......Are you sitting now?.....SombraroSerebro, in your own country there are many Russian men who are dating many Russian women and these Russian men do not have any interest in getting married.  Did you know this?  As well I know there are many Russian ladies who are dating many Russian men and these Russian women say they are not ready for marriage.    Are these people, these men, and these women, doing something wrong in your eyes?


In America SombraroSerebro we have many men who are dating a lot of ladies and these men are just not ready for marriage.  And ohhh, are American women, well not all but a lot, oh my, talk about a lot of these women not being ready for marriage, but almost every weekend you will see a lot of these women dating new and different men.    Sombraro Serebro are you suggesting there is something wrong with these American men and women?   Ok, let me rephrase that, are you suggesting there is anything wrong with these American men?

This is the first and last time I correct intentional improper adressing of nicks. Use of 'funny' versions of other people's nick will not be accepted here. Mod3

[acrzybear]

Jack

You've been on this board since the begining and  most of the folks that know you say you're a good guy, but to be honest with you when I see you name calling it just makes me wonder about your maturity.

 From your posts that I've read you seem like a stand up guy that won't put up with any B.S from your clients (men or ladies) you've given some good advice and have tons of experience in the FSU, but this thing with the Sombraro name is just stupid.

 I don't always agree with Serebro (or others) but no reason to be an a$$.

[Shadow]

Jack, a sex tourist is a guy who dates women letting them believe that his intention is sincere in dating, while his true intention is only to have sex with them. The mark of a sex tourist is misleading women by telling them whatever they want to hear, often leading to bitter disappointment when they find out he is dating (bedding) multiple women at the dame time.

The question of Serebro stands there. If you call her your girlfriend, does she know your intentions or might she believe that she has your full attention as otherwise you might have less of a chance with her ?

[Jazzyclassy]

Jack

You've been on this board since the begining and  most of the folks that know you say you're a good guy, but to be honest with you when I see you name calling it just makes me wonder about your maturity.

 From your posts that I've read you seem like a stand up guy that won't put up with any B.S from your clients (men or ladies) you've given some good advice and have tons of experience in the FSU, but this thing with the Sombraro name is just stupid.

 I don't always agree with Serebro (or others) but no reason to be an a$$.

That is very true, plus this man rarely looks in the mirror  I believe

[IAmZon]

Intentions, Innocence; and Game.

These issues, along with label of "sex tourists" are delicate and vary wildly from one person to another.  Yet I  must say that the FSU ladies I have met have Game, sharp teeth, and a understanding of the world that is colder than most American men on this adventure assume.

Sure some guys are PIGS.  Most are below average.  I write this warning for those well-meaning and "valorous types".  If you are unfamiliar with cultures outside the US, DO NOT easily and quickly try to recreate a traditional American family values and presumptions in your young relationships and flirtations.  Do not be naive.

Rather, challenge yourself to understand the dynamics of attraction, and  the bounds that hold a relationship together from your woman's perspective.  Who gives a shit about surface civilities IF YOU ARE REALLY CONSIDERING A LIFE TOGETHER?

[Jack]

Well acrzybear (opps, hold-on, let's make sure we have that named spelled correctly,....yep, we do, no problem) if my name calling bothers you, I am sorry.  If you have to wonder about my maturity, I am also sorry.   I don't wonder about your maturity, I am saddened to see you wonder about mine.

I appreciate your kind words with regards to what you have heard about me and yes, I do have a problem with putting up with bs.  I address bs straight on acrzybear and this offends some people (imagine that).  As such it's much like our own American political system here where often times 50.5 or 51% of the people/ideas are accepted and 49.5 or 49%, are against.  With me, for people who have not met me, they either like or dislike me, not much middle of the road.  With people/clients who have met me, or who I have provided services for, I think well over 85% will consider me as a good person and friend.  acrzybear I'll take those odd's all day long.

Jack, a sex tourist is a guy who dates women letting them believe that his intention is sincere in dating, while his true intention is only to have sex with them. The mark of a sex tourist is misleading women by telling them whatever they want to hear, often leading to bitter disappointment when they find out he is dating (bedding) multiple women at the dame time.

Shadow, thank you for your elucidation of the term sex tourist.  But I must say, I really wish you would have been a little more considerate and have allowed, ... hold on here, let me make sure I spell this name correctly,.....Serebro,  to have given her interpretation first.  Now I will truly not know if your assertion besmirched her definition.

  The question of Serebro stands there. 

Shadow, "The question of Serebro stands there." ,  not sure what you mean by this statment, do you want to expound?

  If you call her your girlfriend, does she know your intentions or might she believe that she has your full attention as otherwise you might have less of a chance with her ? 

Amoungest other things Shadow she knows this, as I have told her, "Maybe it will be in two weeks, maybe in two months, maybe this fall or next spring or in two years, I will meet a lady who will change my world. I will meet a lady that I will have great interest to marry and spend my life with".    All ladies I see know this Shadow. 

Tatyana does have my full attention in Kiev and she knows it. And if Tatyana travels to another city, or country, with me, she will have my full attention there as well.

Anymore personal questions you would like to know Shadow?

Intentions, Innocence; and Game.  These issues, along with label of "sex tourists" are delicate and vary wildly from one person to another.  Yet I  must say that the FSU ladies I have met have Game, sharp teeth, and a understanding of the world that is colder than most American men on this adventure assume.

Very well stated rivardco.  Almost sounds like the voice of experience.   rivardco, have you made your first trip to the FSU?   If so would like to hear more.  If not,....why?

[Shadow]

Tatyana does have my full attention in Kiev and she knows it. And if Tatyana travels to another city, or country, with me, she will have my full attention there as well.

Anymore personal questions you would like to know Shadow?

Well Jack (I hope I spelled it correct) does Tatyana also know that if you are not in Kiev and she is not traveling with you, there might be someone else who has your full attention ?

[acrzybear]

Well acrzybear (opps, hold-on, let's make sure we have that named spelled correctly,....yep, we do, no problem) if my name calling bothers you, I am sorry.  If you have to wonder about my maturity, I am also sorry.   I don't wonder about your maturity, I am saddened to see you wonder about mine.

Nope, it doesn't bother me one bit Jack, nor does your sarcasm.

  It's like I tell my Rookie Officers "don't get emotionally involved, you have nothing invested in that person and life's too short to waste your energy on them" 

  I don't know you, nor everything you've been through and to be honest with you I just don't give a damn.   

I'm glad you're not worried about my maturity, but if you happen to see it just send it back to Texas so I can reclaim it

[Jack]

Well Jack (I hope I spelled it correct)

Yea, it's hard to mis-spell Jack.  But boy, if you do,....Ha!  you'll be in for it.  I think?   Not sure if that was only meant for me or for everyone.  Guess I need some clarification.

does Tatyana also know that if you are not in Kiev and she is not traveling with you, there might be someone else who has your full attention ?

Shadow, Tatyana knows I am dating other ladies elsewhere.  However I will say that Tatyana is a very special women in my life today.  She is an exceptional woman who I am just beginning to learn more about.  She is one of those few women who is as beautiful on the inside as she is outside. She is the type lady that all the other ladies liked, something I would like in my future wife.  Everyone close to me, after meeting her, was asking about her and expressing there thoughts as to what a wonderful lady they thought she was.

As expressed similarly by Gator, I am overwhelmed and excited that this woman has the feelings and interest she does towards me. 





Now to get a little clarification.
 


This is the first and last time I correct intentional improper adressing of nicks. Use of 'funny' versions of other people's nick will not be accepted here. Mod3




Mod3, in all due respect may I ask for a little clarification with your statement in red.   Are you making this dictum to only me, or are you saying this applies to all members, including Mod's?

[Mod3]

Mod3, in all due respect may I ask for a little clarification with your statement in red.   Are you making this dictum to only me, or are you saying this applies to all members, including Mod's?

Unlike what some might think, you have no special treatment from other members.
Clarification: The statement goes for and is adressed to all members. Intentional abuse of misspelling or changing members nicks will not be accepted.