Money changes everything

[Jazzyclassy]

Off topic too

I like very much how Bluebell looks very good avatar

and mischief too nice pic

We have such a nice beautiful women here Dan, why you offered those models  to vote at all

[Bluebell]

Off topic too

I like very much how Bluebell looks very good avatar

and mischief too nice pic

Thank you, Jazzy, you are nice, as always  

[AnastassiaAsh]

Anastassia,

You seem to be equating money = successful relationships and happy marriages. Turbo had a pretty straight forward post earlier that made a lot of sense. I don't know figures but I am almost willing to bet money has ended as many marriages as lack of money. Money does not insure a happy or successful marriage. I would wage there are millions of marriages in the US alone that are successful and happy with incomes of less than 25K. Of course economics are different now than 25 years ago but my grandfather died never making any more than 9k in a year for his 81 years. He was happily married for 61 years.

An old man told me years ago while I was complaining about the amount of salary I was earning at the time. It didn't make much sense then but it sure has since and that was "It isn't the money you make....it's what you do with the money you make"

Seems as if you are looking to discount clients with lower incomes as if unworthy. I think you'd be doing a great injustice

I agree with what you said, but RW endeavour is NOT for poor, no matter how good people they are. I would want to do a good justice for women too, so that they wouldn't sign up for something they would cry about later. And the same advice for men. I want to make sure both parties are happy later. 99.9% of men who ask for my help ARE successful, so I face another problem more often than not - is SHE honest? Does she truly love him? What true intentions does she have?....

[mischief]

thank you, Jazzyclassy...

[Serebro]

Off topic too

I like very much how Bluebell looks very good avatar

and mischief too nice pic

We have such a nice beautiful women here Dan, why you offered those models  to vote at all

I agree, I have noticed that Bluebell changed her marital status, too, is there any chance that we will see the wedding pics?!

[KenC]

Thank you, Dan...

what I meant to say that in spite of the fact that my husband makes a little less than I would like him to make I am happy with him... he is available whenever I need him and this is very important, especially for those who have kids... time and effort is the key... I don't want to look for somebody else... as they say : "let well enough alone"...

mischief,
I've got news for you.  Every husband fits that description! No matter how much he earns)
KenC

[Bluebell]

I agree, I have noticed that Bluebell changed her marital status, too, is there any chance that we will see the wedding pics?!

I changed my marrital status in 2006 to married, was it never shown in my profile?  

[Bluebell]

mischief,
I've got news for you.  Every husband fits that description! No matter how much he earns)
KenC

Except my husband. But don't want to brag...

[mischief]

mischief,
I've got news for you.  Every husband fits that description! No matter how much he earns)
KenC

LOL... no doubt, Ken... there is always a neighbour whose husband makes much more than yours... damn these neighbours!   

[Serebro]

I changed my marrital status in 2006 to married, was it never shown in my profile?  

LOL....not here, where I am , maybe it was more visible from the West.

[beachcomber556]

Let's all remember that money, like beauty, can be lost in a moment.  Love, however, and I am speaking of the real thing, lasts forever, no matter what.  The richest people are those whose lives are filled with love.  IMHO. 

[Gator]

AnastassiaAsh wrote,

"...part time truck driver ... lived in a small 30 year old motor home .... she eventually worked two jobs ... had 4 kids in five years. They are still married after 6 years."

Thank you, but no thank you

Certainly a reasonable position.  It says, especially coming from you Anastassia with your wholesome values, that the decision to marry is not 100% about love.  Economics is part of the equation.

I assume that you expect your man to provide a certain lifestyle, and anything above that is gravy but would not influence your decision to marry or not.  However, if he can not provide that minimally acceptable lifestyle, you ain't marrying him.  And once married, you are committed, even if the two of you suffer an economic reversal.

The question remains how does a RW determine if the man can provide the lifestyle she would accept?

BTW, the attitude that I assumed for you is not the same as that of the dreaded, perhaps rare, RW who:

-  would be unhappy with any lifestyle that does not include a new Mercedes for her every two years.
-  would marry a rich man regardless of his other qualities are lack thereof.
-  once married, would leave her man for a BBD.
-  once married, would certainly not stay around if he sufferred an economic reversal.

[Gator]

For men attempting to explain financials to RW, the attached was helpful to me.  I forgot where I found it and when.  For sure, the dollar amounts are out of date, yet the basics remain valid.

[Admin]

Off topic too

I like very much how Bluebell looks very good avatar

and mischief too nice pic

We have such a nice beautiful women here Dan, why you offered those models  to vote at all

JC,

You are absolutely correct - we have some gorgeous members - and member's wives.

The reason for the models is - I could not possibly choose from all the lovely women who post here. Reason is - my opinions are biased - and when I get to know someone's wit and intelligence and personality - it influences my opinion favorably over those where I can only see their exterior.

- Dan

[Admin]

For men attempting to explain financials to RW, the attached was helpful to me.  I forgot where I found it and when.  For sure, the dollar amounts are out of date, yet the basics remain valid.

You found that here at RWD. A friend of mine from Canada, Del, put the English version together, and I had another friend translate it into Russian.

Yes, the numbers are dated - and since it was written with Canada in mind, probably a little skewed for that reason as well - but still serves to illustrate the major points.

- Dan

[Gator]

I too am impressed by the new pretty faces.  It is nice to know that each is not just another intelligent woman. 

To explain to RW what I meant, some AM belittle a woman with the phrase "just another pretty face" which means that the man is allowing one aspect of a woman to influence his judgment of her other aspects, such as assuming she is not intelligent or has nothing of interest to share.

[Jumper]

Whether it personally would apply to me or not is irrelevant, the concept of this whole trading "lifestyle" for "Love" is just wee bit nauseating.  

wether intended or not, this is the direction the thread leads.

KenC-    LOL !!
 thanks  i think,
and while i've always known that what little charm i had ,
could only overcome so much, i still typically  ignored that knowledge
and hit on whomever i felt attracted to anyway....lol
its up to them to make that call  


Well, my post came off as defensive ,
i guess you'll just have to trust me that I would post the same , if in gators financial situation.
 
I think a lot of people here are inferreing more than a few things,
That an average western salary is far too  too low, or that it's somehow *unfair* to your average RW, to be involved in a  less than 6 figure income situation..

thats going a bit beyond reality ,or the basic premise of a guy being able
to support a family and hande the add expenses of travel..and relocation.

some key points missed-

1. The BSIC job is not to discriminate against a citizens right to marry ,
 by thier income.
that would be stepping on the very foundation of this countres personal freedoms.

it is not thier job to determine some minimum standard
that a foriegn spouse would be "happy with" long term.
that is for the couple to work out.

Out of many obligations the BCIS has,
In the financial aspect of this thier resoncibilty  is to insure the immigrant not become a burden on the current citizens.
Those safeguards are in place,
and the likelyhood of a RW ending up on any government program , is miniscule at best.
 
2. please people ,as BC pointed out,
the whole PREMISE of the K1 was founded on the U.S. GI!!
very precious few of whom make 50K salary.

 Those who wrote the laws, and regulate them,
had no intention of it being used for a couple week visits by a wealthy  WM ,to charm a RW whom expects to have an above average standard of living.
 That is not, and was not the intent, nor was it why the law was written in
the first place, and that scenerio is not what most K1's are supposed to be.

so lets take the scenerio this k1 was written for -
your average GI,who was stationed abroad and met someone ,and the
couple met and fell for each other, and  filing a K1.

and lets see where it sets in this debate??

as precious little of it will be about his income level..his disposable income,
or her expectations of an above average lifestyle,
it will be about thier love foreach other and willingness to marry.

While i understand quite well the realities in the RW scenerio..
 
The fact this thread concentrates on the  practicalities ,and the justifications
for them ,should shake some new guys up if they are paying attention.
 
This thead seems detemined to define that those  whom the K1 was originally written for , are not really going to find happiness or success in thier marriage..

odd at best.

Lets nbe brutally honest, The processes' intent ,was and is, abused to allow the typical RW scenerio discussed here..
 
and if you want long term successes in K1 filings,
then  for the love of God, return to its true intent..!!
to people whom live in long term in another country and find love
that  know each other well.

instead of  implying and advocating an  income level,
required to find happiness, fundementally between two strangers.

 
if you guys can't see that , and that this thread ,
when taken to it's roots ,
is strongly implying. .

then shame  you people

[Misha]

Very nice post AJ! Agree with it wholeheartedly. If a woman's love is to be measured by her husband's salary, then that is the kind of love I would prefer to do without. Fortunately, my wife was not looking for a husband with a six-figure income and a ferrari, but was interested in finding a good husband. I am doing my best to make sure that she is not disappointed in that respect.

[AnastassiaAsh]

I assume that you expect your man to provide a certain lifestyle, and anything above that is gravy but would not influence your decision to marry or not.  However, if he can not provide that minimally acceptable lifestyle, you ain't marrying him.  And once married, you are committed, even if the two of you suffer an economic reversal.

Correct.

The question remains how does a RW determine if the man can provide the lifestyle she would accept?

She should decide that for herself. It is very tricky and hard even if a man is honest with the info. It is hard unless you actually lived here for a while and know what salary brings approximately what style of life...This is where I can prompt women - will they eat 'potatoes' only or some 'strawberries and cream' occasionally. 

BTW, the attitude that I assumed for you is not the same as that of the dreaded, perhaps rare, RW who:

-  would be unhappy with any lifestyle that does not include a new Mercedes for her every two years.
-  would marry a rich man regardless of his other qualities are lack thereof.
-  once married, would leave her man for a BBD.
-  once married, would certainly not stay around if he sufferred an economic reversal.

Of course this is not about me. You are correct.

BTW I have been driving my late husband's car till last year, it was almost 9 y.o., Toyota Corolla, in very good condition.

[Gator]

AJ,
Good post.

AnastassiaAsh wrote,

I have been driving my late husband's car till last year, it was almost 9 y.o., Toyota Corolla, in very good condition.

People here keep kidding me about my financial situation, yet my only vehicle is a 10-yr old American made SUV.  I am a pauper compared to Turbo whose truck is only 5 years old.   

All of us fear the contemptible, materialistic RW who is motivated principally if not totally by money.  Just how many RW are this way?  I never encountered one in the 10 or so RW with whom I spent at least a few days with.  Some men with failed marriages claim that they were married to such RW, but perhaps it was the man rather than his income which drove the woman away.  Or maybe the man knowingly misled the woman into believing life would be far better than what he delivered. 

What I am saying is that maybe there aren't that many sharks in the water.  It is safe to swim if you take long enough to know the situation and if you are honest with what you promise.

[Admin]

wether intended or not, this is the direction the thread leads.

KenC-    LOL !!
 thanks  i think,
and while i've always known that what little charm i had ,
could only overcome so much, i still typically  ignored that knowledge
and hit on whomever i felt attracted to anyway....lol
its up to them to make that call  


Well, my post came off as defensive ,
i guess you'll just have to trust me that I would post the same , if in gators financial situation.
 
I think a lot of people here are inferreing more than a few things,
That an average western salary is far too  too low, or that it's somehow *unfair* to your average RW, to be involved in a  less than 6 figure income situation..

thats going a bit beyond reality ,or the basic premise of a guy being able
to support a family and hande the add expenses of travel..and relocation.

some key points missed-

1. The BSIC job is not to discriminate against a citizens right to marry ,
 by thier income.
that would be stepping on the very foundation of this countres personal freedoms.

it is not thier job to determine some minimum standard
that a foriegn spouse would be "happy with" long term.
that is for the couple to work out.

Out of many obligations the BCIS has,
In the financial aspect of this thier resoncibilty  is to insure the immigrant not become a burden on the current citizens.
Those safeguards are in place,
and the likelyhood of a RW ending up on any government program , is miniscule at best.
 
2. please people ,as BC pointed out,
the whole PREMISE of the K1 was founded on the U.S. GI!!
very precious few of whom make 50K salary.

 Those who wrote the laws, and regulate them,
had no intention of it being used for a couple week visits by a wealthy  WM ,to charm a RW whom expects to have an above average standard of living.
 That is not, and was not the intent, nor was it why the law was written in
the first place, and that scenerio is not what most K1's are supposed to be.

so lets take the scenerio this k1 was written for -
your average GI,who was stationed abroad and met someone ,and the
couple met and fell for each other, and  filing a K1.

and lets see where it sets in this debate??

as precious little of it will be about his income level..his disposable income,
or her expectations of an above average lifestyle,
it will be about thier love foreach other and willingness to marry.

While i understand quite well the realities in the RW scenerio..
 
The fact this thread concentrates on the  practicalities ,and the justifications
for them ,should shake some new guys up if they are paying attention.
 
This thead seems detemined to define that those  whom the K1 was originally written for , are not really going to find happiness or success in thier marriage..

odd at best.

Lets nbe brutally honest, The processes' intent ,was and is, abused to allow the typical RW scenerio discussed here..
 
and if you want long term successes in K1 filings,
then  for the love of God, return to its true intent..!!
to people whom live in long term in another country and find love
that  know each other well.

instead of  implying and advocating an  income level,
required to find happiness, fundementally between two strangers.

 
if you guys can't see that , and that this thread ,
when taken to it's roots ,
is strongly implying. .

then shame  you people

For those who may be interested, the War Brides Act of 1945 (referenced in BC's and AJ's posts) may be found here -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=40

- Dan

[Jumper]

darth gator said :

I assume that you expect your man to provide a certain lifestyle, and anything above that is gravy but would not influence your decision to marry or not.  However, if he can not provide that minimally acceptable lifestyle, you ain't marrying him.  And once married, you are committed, even if the two of you suffer an economic reversal.

Gator,
that's my thoughts on what most women anywhere  in the world
base such things..it was certainly my wifes as well.
completely understansdable, and each person has thier choices in life and where to set thier levels, and where they lay in thier own personal priorities.


That said:
when talk of  nessasary higher income levels and lifeestyle prevade a topic-
it is no different than if a man was  bringing up breast sizes ?
likey he would get called for being shallow ,
and to adjust his priorities accordingly.

FWIW - My points above were not intended to completely disregard the praticality of marriage and life.
 They are to point out the hyprocrasy , of th eforum
 suggesting a high income level..as pretty much mandatory for a K1,
when the K1 was written to help typically low income Gi's marry women they
met when stationed abroad


"money changes everything"
hopefully it shouldn't

To be honest , while   i certainly recognize the basic need to be able to afford the whole process, those with substantially *more*,
actually face a larger,and more serious hurdle, if the choosen goal is true love?

but the plus side is they should have the means ,and time, to sort it out..


 If gator adopted me, i'd have a complete new set of worries..
dang!!
lol

[Photo Guy]

AJ wrote:
...Lets nbe brutally honest, The processes' intent ,was and is, abused to allow the typical RW scenerio discussed here..

I think your idea assumes that the intent of a huge bureaucracy
called 'government' is more important than the goals of
the individual, in a country where the individual's 'pursuit of happiness'
is of primary importance.

Why do we allow the government to govern our personal lives?
Why should the government question us about love, sex, and
family life? Marital status should not be the business of
government, in my opinion. But, I guess most of you
aren't going to question that.  ! ? ?

[BC]

What I am saying is that maybe there aren't that many sharks in the water.  It is safe to swim if you take long enough to know the situation and if you are honest with what you promise.

Of course there aren't that many sharks in the water. The sharks profit without even leaving their desk.  I started a thread long ago questioning if the GCG phenomena being reported was even real.  To this day I think not.  Women do not immigrate for a GC, at the most for a free vacation. Those in-between are either disillusioned with the man they wedded and/or with the lifestyle they expected (or was promised).

As it regards finances, either the man can afford expending the additional resources while maintaining his current standard of living or not.. and that's that. The amounts needed have been exhaustively quantified.

Gamblers and the unsure should head to Vegas instead of FSU.  At least in this manner disasters are limited to those truly responsible and if you get lucky you'll be that far ahead.

Don't fyck around with lives of others, especially when kids are involved.

[Admin]

For those who may be interested, the War Brides Act of 1945 (referenced in BC's and AJ's posts) may be found here -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=40

- Dan

Somewhat off-topic, but I found some VERY interesting - and touching - stories about the period immediately prior to, and subsequent to, passage of the War Brides Act of 1945. It was, at least, a bit controversial at the time with even Eleanor Roosevelt speaking out in disfavor.

Anyway - here is a link to some of the stories - many quite touching and heart-rending -- http://www.geocities.com/us_warbrides/WW2warbrides/stories.html

- Dan