Getting confusing now

[Gator]

Quote from Chernoble,

  I still believe persistence pays off!

Essentially everyone is telling you directly or indirectly to stay home.  I told you that months ago.  Yet, you persist and are proud of your determination.  You believe that you have found your woman and have removed your profile.  Do you actually feel as if you are accomplishing anything?  Making progress?

You are asking us to decipher what your only correspondent is thinking.  This is what she is thinking:  she is irritated with you for being so stupid as to call late at night.    From the questions you ask her, she thinks that you have no clue.  She thinks you are a child - the antithesis of what RW want.   She is a lost cause.

The only way your persistence will pay off is if you start over with another RW and learn from your mistakes.  The problem is that you will also screw that up, and you will need to start over again, and learn from your new mistakes.  And do it again and again.  You will probably get the hang of this in about two years when you can plan your first trip.  Why so long?  You need your hand held.  While this board is a good source of information, no one here will hold your hand. 

I suggested earlier what to do if you elect to persist.  Writing a woman who must use an electronic translator was not on my list.

Chernoble, I am not trying to belittle you.  However, I am just saying that you have tried and you are failing.  Yet, you know this and continue to persist.  It is your time, your money, and your fantasy.  Knock yourself out.

[groovlstk]

It was said long ago that FSU dating is not entry-level dating, but some guys will blithely believe that the ease of finding an FSU woman who's "interested" in him translates into an easy escape from a lonely and isolated existence.

Here's my take, to be sung to the tune of Folsom Prison Blues:

I hear that train a-comin'
It's rollin' round the bend,
A major wreck's a-comin', I just don't know when

When I was just a baby, my mama told me "Son,
mess with Russian woman, and they'll hurt you by the ton"

But I wrote a girl in Kiev and her photo made me melt
Just wish it was my heart and not my wallet that she felt

I bet there's rich folks eating blinis in a fancy dining car,
they're probably drinking vodka and barfin on the bar
Well I know I had it coming, I know I can't be free
Just wish I'd heeded folks who said she's scammin' me

[KenC]

It was said long ago that FSU dating is not entry-level dating, but some guys will blithely believe that the ease of finding an FSU woman who's "interested" in him translates into an easy escape from a lonely and isolated existence.

Here's my take, to be sung to the tune of Folsom Prison Blues:

I hear that train a-comin'
It's rollin' round the bend,
A major wreck's a-comin', I just don't know when

When I was just a baby, my mama told me "Son,
mess with Russian woman, and they'll hurt you by the ton"

But I wrote a girl in Kiev and her photo made me melt
Just wish it was my heart and not my wallet that she felt

I bet there's rich folks eating blinis in a fancy dining car,
they're probably drinking vodka and barfin on the bar
Well I know I had it coming, I know I can't be free
Just wish I'd heeded folks who said she's scammin' me

Very very good, Johnny, er, Groov!
KenC

[Turboguy]

Billy talks about his 500 letter campaign. That is a drop in the bucket compared to what I did in my search. If I were getting the letters chernoble is from his lady I would have her at the bottom of my list with the others showing little interest. Do what Billy did. Write 500 new ladies and find some who are perfect for you and excited to get to know you. You can do far better.

[chernoble]

Hey has anyone used this website service before?

http://www.flowers-to-russia.com/


Is this a scammer or is it safe and reliable to use?

Its all about the chances you get in life.  They arent things that just keep on coming.  Its imperative not to let those chances pass by you.

My 2 cents.  When I get old this could be something I can reflect back on but not do again. 

Theres no reason not to listen to the chance and the one who decides whether this is a true chance or not is me.

[timothe]

And for Turboguy and jb's opinion you have to understand I am just tired from looking through a million web sites and all the reliable info I have collected indicates the best chance to find a decent girl would be in the local agencies in Kiev not online.  But I really don't think that can work b/c I am not a native in those parts, I don't speak the language and I don't have a wingman like Taz handy.  I hate to admit it but doing this solo for a beginner like me really sucks.  I'm not going to do it again if this doesn't work out.  Its making me disillusioned and its cheaper without the jet lag to get the same experience at home.

Dude, I don't think you have enough upstairs to make it happen. 

You're all whine and no main course.  I knew it right away when you decided to name yourself after the worst nuclear disaster in history and then didn't change your name when you "discovered" it might be offensive to some. 

You don't need advice.  You won't listen to it anyway. 

You need a clue.

(This guy is like the reincarnation of Prince Alfie or something.) 

[catzenmouse]

(This guy is like the reincarnation of Prince Alfie or something.)

 

Some of the recent influx of All Knowing/All Seeing members have made me miss ol' Alfie. That in itself tells me the quality of these AK/AS folks is mighty scary indeed.

[Turboguy]

WOW, reincarnation of P/A is about the ultimate insult. I will have to remember that one. This is definately not a persuit for the faint of heart.   I think there is a real wisdom in the statement that it is not for everyone. Perhaps we should not critisize someone smart enough to realize it is not their cup of tea. That in itself shows so degree of intelect.

[phantom]

Chernoble,
If your wanting to try one of the agencies in Ukraine, here's a profile of the 19 year old girl that keeps writing me, that I never write back.  She seems nice enough, looking for something serious.  I think she's the little sister of one of the ladies that I write to, same city, they almost look alike.  But, who knows.

http://www.cindyagency.com/album.php?id=3479&go=go  if your interested.

[Shadow]

Chernoble, the site you mentioned for sending flower is legit.

[chernoble]

Thanks for the info.

Btw heres where shes from

you in your country?? Raskazhi about to Where you zhivesh!
I live on the levom bank of Dnepr, it next to Gidroparkom!!

And she wants to be in either economy or law...

With respect to my profession, I will be ekonomistom, it first, second obrozovanie want legal, for me on an etot account large plans........

I heard that the Hidropark is a dangerous neighborhood in Kiev so is it possible she lives in a bad part of town??  Is this someplace like Kiev's version of a bad high crime place in the US?

[Bruno]

Chernoble,

Your lady consider you like a friend, she will meet you and only after make some decision... it is what i understand from her letter... since the english of your lady is so bad, you NEED to hire the service of some translator... not from a agency but independant translator... until you make it, you cannot be sure about what she tell you...

From the 3 page posted here, i cannot say if she is a good or bad lady... your communication suck... you need to resolve these problem first...

PS: a method to test how much suck online translator... type your letter, use a online translator for translate it from english to russian... take the result and use the same translator for translate from russian to english... you will be surprised of the bad result...

[Shadow]

PS: a method to test how much suck online translator... type your letter, use a online translator for translate it from english to russian... take the result and use the same translator for translate from russian to english... you will be surprised of the bad result...

Bruno,

While the result is bad, it is not a valid test. Any online translator presumes the originating text to be a comprehensible, valid text.
The only valid test is to have a person with knowledge of both languages compare and evaluate the texts.

Basicly the online translator software is nothing more or less as a dictionary. If you take a text in any language unknown to you and a dictionary, you can translate the text word by word. By the simple grammar rules often provided you can order the translated words in to a structure of your local language. The result of this is what you get from an online translator, although faster.
By reading the context you can interpret the correct words and find the words that you, due to slang or incorrect spelling, could not find in the dictionary. From that you will receive a readable, and hopefully correct, translation.
 
Do use this method of translating you need some experience and skills in analyzing texts. Knowledge of multiple languages gives an advantage here. The worst thing to do is take an online translated text and think it is equal to one by a human interpreter.

[docetae]

Thanks for the info.

Btw heres where shes from
And she wants to be in either economy or law...
I heard that the Hidropark is a dangerous neighborhood in Kiev so is it possible she lives in a bad part of town??  Is this someplace like Kiev's version of a bad high crime place in the US?

Hydropark is not a dangerous place .. this is a place where family are going during spring and summer...this is dangerous at night because you will meet many drunken people . In all cases in Ukraine avoid dark places.

[chernoble]

Thanks.  And this is definitely worrying me but some people told me Ukraine may have these kidnap gangs that hunt for Westerners or foreigners and grab them for ransom.  Is this prevalent in Kiev?  Could I get kidnapped or mugged during night or day when people see I'm a foreigner??

[docetae]

Thanks.  And this is definitely worrying me but some people told me Ukraine may have these kidnap gangs that hunt for Westerners or foreigners and grab them for ransom.  Is this prevalent in Kiev?  Could I get kidnapped or mugged during night or day when people see I'm a foreigner??

It's part of urban legends... 8 travels to Ukraine and never, never heard of that by nobody...There are dangers I know in Ukraine:

- the wallet scam :

"The wallet scam occurs when a person drops a wallet or a packet of currency wrapped in clear plastic at your feet and asks you if it is yours. The scam artist, almost always a male, will then show you a large sum of money from the wallet and try to get you to touch the wallet and money. Another person (also usually a male) will approach and claim that the wallet is his, and then accuse you of trying to steal his money. The two con-artist partners will then take one of two approaches. They may threaten to call the police in an effort to get you to pay them not to get the police involved. Or, they may ask you to show them your wallet to ensure that you did not take their money, whereupon they will grab your money and flee. To maintain your safety (and keep your money), do not engage these people in conversation and immediately walk away from them."

- group of teenagers looking for someone to beat, but they are targeting mainly other teens or homeless people.

- Vodka: one time you are drunk, everything can happen

- Women: another style of wallet scam

- Vodka and women : no comments

- Police: Always be ready to bribe, but always start very low.... (speed excess should not cost more than 10$)

Simple rules : Don't drink, do not show your love with your money, avoid dark places and drunk people.

If you are looking for a woman in the dark, while totally drunk, something can happen to you and your money...

[Kuna]

Thanks.  And this is definitely worrying me but some people told me Ukraine may have these kidnap gangs that hunt for Westerners or foreigners and grab them for ransom.  Is this prevalent in Kiev?  Could I get kidnapped or mugged during night or day when people see I'm a foreigner??

Kidnap gangs hunting for westerners???   

Who's been telling you this??? I bet you read it on a web site where someone was selling "protection" services...



Read docetae's words again...

Simple rules : Don't drink, do not show your love with your money, avoid dark places and drunk people.

If you are looking for a woman in the dark, while totally drunk, something can happen to you and your money...

If you go to Ukraine try to blend in, don't pick up hookers, don't get drunk in public or take a walk at night in dark streets you will be VERY unlikely to have any troubles.

Think about Kiev just as if it is any large city and the only real complicating factor is language... If you have issues you will have troubles talking through it.

[SANDRO43]

Chernoble, considering what you told us, and particularly you recent questions, you'd be much better off limiting yourself to local dating, IMHO .

[chernoble]

Simple rules : Don't drink, do not show your love with your money, avoid dark places and drunk people.

If you are looking for a woman in the dark, while totally drunk, something can happen to you and your money...

Well I was thinking of situations like we go out to dinner and its dark at night when we go back.  Granted we'll be walking back together.  But after I drop her off its still safe for me to get back home by taxi right?  Are there taxi scams in Ukraine where I could get mugged or is it safe?

[Turboguy]

You will feel safer in Ukraine than you would feel in an American city the same size.   I have walked through unlit deserted underpasses at 3am and never had a problem.   You may get kidnapped in Columbia but it is not likely in Ukraine.    You may be exposed to crime but it will be more likely the non violent type like the money drop scam or pick pockets.   The taxi drivers my try to rip you off but won't try to rob you.

[Shadow]

Well I was thinking of situations like we go out to dinner and its dark at night when we go back.  Granted we'll be walking back together.  But after I drop her off its still safe for me to get back home by taxi right?  Are there taxi scams in Ukraine where I could get mugged or is it safe?

Chances are she drops you off home and takes a taxi to her place, to make sure you do not get lost. 
There are gangs in Ukraine that kidnap foreigners. If you have more net value than $10.000.000 you are at risk. Otherwise they will not bother. Chances that you get mugged by your date are much higher as that of any other problem.

Regadring bribing police: Never offer them a bribe. If you have made a mistake like not having your papers or passport with you or a traffic violation, make sure that in whatever you give them is a small bill in local currency. You will not see them take it and you will not see it back.
If you feel you have no offense, read the report of Taz. Not speaking a word of Russian and not understanding a word they say, combined with the right papers will get you out of almost any police bribe. I was never stopped or checked by the Militia in Koev or in Moscow.

[KenC]

You will feel safer in Ukraine than you would feel in an American city the same size.   I have walked through unlit deserted underpasses at 3am and never had a problem.   You may get kidnapped in Columbia but it is not likely in Ukraine.    You may be exposed to crime but it will be more likely the non violent type like the money drop scam or pick pockets.   The taxi drivers my try to rip you off but won't try to rob you.

TG,
So are you suggesting this is smart behavior?
KenC

[Turboguy]

TG,
So are you suggesting this is smart behavior?
KenC

Well I would not suggest going out looking for dark unlit underpasses to wander through at 3 am.   I did it every night during one trip to Kiev with no problem.   If I wanted to get back to my apt from the internet cafe the underpass was the only way.   With as many places I have gone that many would not I am probably lucky to be alive but the reality is I have not had a probelm.