political wives?

[catzenmouse]

Actually I enjoy both of your opinions and don't think either one of you need to be "thrown off" of this site.

Perhaps just a little bit of resistance to temptation in slights and bait would be in order though.

Re: Books, when we moved a couple of years back I donated over 2000 books to the local library as I just could not deal with moving them yet again. That was about half of my library at that time. I've been known to be a bit of a book fanatic and will get on a tear and read for weeks on end without stop (which bores my wife to tears!  ). But I do know folks who believe that the National Inquirer is the only thing with words that they ever touch. Sad but then again we let folks who watch pro wrestling vote in this country as well... (and yes, that is a joke for all you pro wrestling fans or at least the semblance of one)

Ken

[Serebro]

A list of those sites please?

I/O

mrp,privet.com,rwg,well.com.ru

[Simoni]

It reminds me of a recent TV program made by Vladimir Pozner about America...

Oh my goodness.  You really believe the things Pozner says? So exaggerated.

Today is the day of enlightenment for you-- Listen up--Pozner is a propaganda agent.

For those living in Putin's Russia today, I suggest they read the media sources from the world, including GB and the USA.   The internet means you no longer have to believe what comes out of Moscow, or its agents.

[Momus]

Masha is vaguely interested in the primary campaign, but mostly as an exercise in celebrity people-watching. She likes McCain, because he's a war hero and "strong but honest face."

She likes Obama well enough, but expressed some...surprise...that white people would actually vote for a black man. This isn't so much about her own prejudices as it is her preconceived notion about ours.

She doesn't like Hillary. But then, I don't think anyone really does.

She is completely ambivalent about Russian politics (though she loves "Russia" and is very patriotic...an often strange combination). Her take is that presidents -- and even flags -- may change, but Russia never does. The ones in power will look after themselves and the people will get the shaft.

There's probably some truth in that, but it's also a self-fulfilling prophecy. Things won't change unless Russians start demanding better. In some ways, my perception of Russians is that they have a lot in common with our "greatest generation." They're tough as nails and endure hardships that most of us will never have to even contemplate. But whereas our grandparents (and, you know, KenC) were both tough and demanding, the Russians are just tough.

[Serebro]

Actually I enjoy both of your opinions and don't think either one of you need to be "thrown off" of this site.

Perhaps just a little bit of resistance to temptation in slights and bait would be in order though.

Re: Books, when we moved a couple of years back I donated over 2000 books to the local library as I just could not deal with moving them yet again. That was about half of my library at that time. I've been known to be a bit of a book fanatic and will get on a tear and read for weeks on end without stop (which bores my wife to tears!  ). But I do know folks who believe that the National Inquirer is the only thing with words that they ever touch. Sad but then again we let folks who watch pro wrestling vote in this country as well... (and yes, that is a joke for all you pro wrestling fans or at least the semblance of one)

Ken

catzenmouse, well:)
it's also important what kinds of books you read:)
Simoni

Oh my goodness.  You really believe the things Pozner says? So exaggerated.

Today is the day of enlightenment for you-- Listen up--Pozner is a propaganda agent

lol, sounds paranoid...
but the words weren't said by Pozner...
in fact Pozner doesn't say a lot there, only short notes about his childhood...for example he said that his french mother didn't allow him to eat hamburgers when he was a child and now he loves them... I don't see it as a big Putin's propaganda:)
and Pozner isn't he only "maker" of the program, there is also an american journalist and a young russian guy Ivan Urgant

[Serebro]

Oh my goodness.  You really believe the things Pozner says? So exaggerated.

Today is the day of enlightenment for you-- Listen up--Pozner is a propaganda agent.

For those living in Putin's Russia today, I suggest they read the media sources from the world, including GB and the USA.   The internet means you no longer have to believe what comes out of Moscow, or its agents.

yup, so we will love America and the Uk and know how great they are!

Simoni, can you explain why Timoshenko doesn't want to pay for gas that they get from Russia?!
I need a new summer dress badly and I am sure that if Timoshenko paid I would be able to buy it.
So, what do the USA and the UK media sources say about it?!

[I/O]

mrp,privet.com,rwg,well.com.ru

1) RMP. Never banned from there and still have a current profile.

2) privet.com.  Never been a member or posted there or much less banned from there.

3) rwg: Never been a member or posted there or much less banned from there.

4) well.com.ru. Never been a member or posted there or much less banned from there.

The real list of sites I have been thrown off actually contains exactly ZERO names.

I/O

[turniptruck]

Can we start talking about pie?  I love pie.  Pecan I think is my favorite.  What does this have to do with political wives?  errr... Nothing.  Can we get back on topic?

[catzenmouse]

Can we start talking about pie?  I love pie.  Pecan I think is my favorite.  What does this have to do with political wives?  errr... Nothing.  Can we get back on topic?

I like cheese! 

[Serebro]

1) RMP. Never banned from there and still have a current profile.

2) privet.com.  Never been a member or posted there or much less banned from there.

3) rwg: Never been a member or posted there or much less banned from there.

4) well.com.ru. Never been a member or posted there or much less banned from there.

The real list of sites I have been thrown off actually contains exactly ZERO names.

I/O

yeah, sure, and we all  believe.
turniptruck

Can we start talking about pie?  I love pie.  Pecan I think is my favorite.  What does this have to do with political wives?  errr... Nothing.  Can we get back on topic?

yes, sure
I don't have a wife.
As for my boy friend, he's very political and he even contributes his own articles to newspapers, but we don't discuss it with him as I don't like it and as I have already mentioned there can't be politics or religion in our relationship.These are forbidden topics.

[Admin]

mrp,privet.com,rwg,well.com.ru

Serebro,

We have been down this path before.

I do NOT care what has transpired at other sites. I only care what happens here at RWD. Whether someone has had 'issues' at another site is inconsequential so long as they are productive contributors here at RWD.

I also want to encourage you to read the Guidelines for Civil Discourse in the Announcements forum. You can find it here -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=7223.msg128504#msg128504

Please pay particular attention to this item:

Reliance on labels for groups of people is often the first step toward the negative. Whenever possible, avoid them. They rarely add to the quality of any discussion

You will know whenever this tenet is crossed when you see statements that discuss/disparage entire groups of people - which includes nationalities.

In this exchange, I feel like you have missed a golden opportunity. There has been quite a bit of debate about political views and their expression in the west versus the FSU. By your own admission, you interpreted the comments as insulting and began responding defensively. That is an unfortunate response that, predictably, led to devolution of the topic.

If more people - not only you Serebro - would respond with requests for clarification and understanding, rather then becoming defensive - we might enjoy an even greater degree of 'meeting of the minds.' That DOES require maturity and genuine interest in achieving understanding.

- Dan

[Serebro]

Serebro,

We have been down this path before.
 By your own admission, you interpreted the comments as insulting and began responding defensively. - Dan

Dan, it's not my interpretation.
I have read the rules.My work and life in Russia and filling in all the business forms made me read all before I sign something.
 last time when I expressed my opinion of the situation in KenC's thread you removed my posts which were directly connected with his thread as you found them insulting and not "to the point".
So why can't I interpret stupid and ignorant comments about my country offensive?!
It looks like we don't have any particular standarts for calling things offensive and finding them insulting.As the posts don't have to contain swear words to be found offensive

and as for mentioning the websites, I/O wanted to know that.
His behavior on many websites(I am sorry as  it's not important) and his being in lots of ignore lists here on RWD says a lot.

[Admin]

Dan, it's not my interpretation.
I have read the rules.My work and life in Russia and filling in all the business forms made me read all before I sign something.
 last time when I expressed my opinion of the situation in KenC's thread you removed my posts which were directly connected with his thread as you found them insulting and not "to the point".
So why can't I interpret stupid and ignorant comments about my country offensive?!
It looks like we don't have any particular standarts for calling things offensive and finding them insulting.As the posts don't have to contain swear words to be found offensive

and as for mentioning the websites, I/O wanted to know that.
His behavior on many websites(I am sorry as  it's not important) and his being in lots of ignore lists here on RWD says a lot.

>>So why can't I interpret stupid and ignorant comments about my country offensive?!<<

No one can dictate how you interpret things. I *can* tell you that I did not see the insulting comments you saw. I saw people expressing interest and wishing to be educated. Defensive responses - which are understandable, if also unfortunate - just tend to drive wedges between people - not build bridges. It is your choice - and theirs. Build wedges - or bridges.

>>His behavior on many websites(I am sorry as  it's not important) and his being in lots of ignore lists here on RWD says a lot.<<

Here is the problem - for YOU and for me.

Whatever happens outside RWD is outside my control. I have no insight into identities. I have no information to confirm/refute specific behaviors. You too, have no way to be sure that the RWD member using the moniker "I/O" here - is the same as an "I/O" somewhere else.

Just consider for a moment the number of internet crazies who have nothing better to do with their lives than to create problems for others on the internet. It happens all the time.

It is simply INAPPROPRIATE to bring events from other sites to RWD. It needs to stop - and you have done it several times now. Stop.

- Dan

[Serebro]

Whatever happens outside RWD is outside my control. I have no insight into identities. I have no information to confirm/refute specific behaviors. You too, have no way to be sure that the RWD member using the moniker "I/O" here - is the same as an "I/O" somewhere else.

Just consider for a moment the number of internet crazies who have nothing better to do with their lives than to create problems for others on the internet. It happens all the time.

It is simply INAPPROPRIATE to bring events from other sites to RWD. It needs to stop - and you have done it several times now. Stop.

- Dan

I agree, so we both know that in november I/O was sending private messages to the members of the forum telling them that I am a well-known scammer from another web site.
He sent one letter to me by mistake/


Did you make any comment like this to him?! Did you tell him in public that it was the last time when a member of the forum mention the other websites?!
No, you haven't done that.


When I created a thread about that you removed it.

so I can't imagine how many members of the forum still think that I/O was right.

So, stop blaming me, Dan, stop making me feel like I am bad, stop threatening me, Dan.
Just go and ban me and show everyone that your forum is getting a perfect place for anti-Russian propaganda and make people like I/O feel comfortable.

Anyway you remove 50% of my posts

[Admin]

I agree, so we both know that in november I/O was sending private messages to the members of the forum telling them that I am a well-known scammer from another web site.
He sent one letter to me by mistake/


Did you make any comment like this to him?! Did you tell him in public that it was the last time when a member of the forum mention the other websites?!
No, you haven't done that.


When I created a thread about that you removed it.

so I can't imagine how many members of the forum still think that I/O was right.

So, stop blaming me, Dan, stop making me feel like I am bad, stop threatening me, Dan.
Just go and ban me and show everyone that your forum is getting a perfect place for anti-Russian propaganda and make people like I/O feel comfortable.

Anyway you remove 50% of my posts

Serebro,

You have now derailed the topic. Are you happy?

This is now about how Serebro has been misrepresented and abused by RWD. You could have made the same arguments in the PM you just sent me - but you didn't. So be it.

The simple facts are that you have NO IDEA what I have, or have not, communicated to I/O in private. Had you elected to bring your issues to me in PM, that too would have remained private in PM's - as do 90 % of these types of exchanges - and it likely would have resulted in a positive outcome - as do nearly all these types of exchanges.

As for your claims of removal of your posts - the FACTS are that you have had very few posts removed. If they are removed - they are like this one - totally unrelated to the original topic and combative.

Yes, I grow weary of this sort of exchange. It requires my time - is unproductive - and serves no-one except for you. So .... should it persist, I will take the appropriate action.

If your intent is to be productive, then take it up with me privately. Continue derailing other's topics and/or continue with your combative manner, and you will force my hand.

It is your choice.

- Dan

[SANDRO43]

Masha is vaguely interested in the primary campaign, but mostly as an exercise in celebrity people-watching. She likes McCain, because he's a war hero and "strong but honest face."

How dare you change subject ?

Oops, I'd almost forgotten what this thread was about .

[Serebro]

Serebro,

You have now derailed the topic. Are you happy?

No, I am not happy/
I would have been  much happier if you'd removed threads like this one with its offensive posts.

You could have made the same arguments in the PM you just sent me - but you didn't

You could have made the same arguments in the PM to me, but you didn't.
You wrote it here.

The simple facts are that you have NO IDEA what I have, or have not, communicated to I/O in private

so why when I/O acts like a bastard you comminicate with him in PM's and remove my threads and when I do something "wrong" you punish me in public?!

[Admin]

No, I am not happy/
I would have been  much happier if you'd removed threads like this one with its offensive posts.You could have made the same arguments in the PM to me, but you didn't.
You wrote it here.so why when I/O acts like a bastard you comminicate with them in PM's and remove my threads and when I do something "wrong" you punish me in public?!

>>No, I am not happy/<<

Then why don't you stop being combative?

>>I would have been  much happier if you'd removed threads like this one with its offensive posts.<<

The off-topic posts may yet find their way to the trash bin - or they may not. We shall see if this might, somehow, 'right' itself. It has happened before.

>>You could have made the same arguments in the PM to me, but you didn't.<<

Because I am responding/reacting to you.

>>You wrote it here.so why when I/O acts like a bastard you comminicate with them in PM's and remove my threads and when I do something "wrong" you punish me in public?!<<

Serebro, I started out with mild suggestions. There was no attempt to "punish" you - and for that matter, there still is no wish to "punish." I merely want you, and everyone else, to post in accordance with simple consideration for others. That is not too much to ask.

- Dan

[Ronnie]

The more a person touts their education and university degrees, the more I begin to wonder if the degree was obtained through years of hard work or the five minutes of filling out an order form at a card table in the Kuznyetskiy Most metro station.  No accusations...just makes me wonder. 

[Serebro]

The more a person touts their education and university degrees, the more I begin to wonder if the degree was earned through hard work or the result or filling out an order form at a card table at the Kuznyetskiy Most metro station.  No accusations...just makes me wonder.

yeah, that's the place where I got my degree and where I learnt English, too.
BTW, how did you know about that method?!

[KenC]

.
Just go and ban me and show everyone that your forum is getting a perfect place for anti-Russian propaganda and make people like I/O feel comfortable.

Serebro,
I don't really care about your personal conflicts with other members here, but I would like to correct the statement above because it is an important point.  This thread was never intended to be a political thread discussing politics in either country.  It was intended to be about how politically involved RW are in general.  There were no anti-Russian remarks or any off topic posts until post #30 when Jazzy began making her anti-American posts and then again in post #33 when she attacked RWD and Dan.  Most of the responses to Jazzy's anti American posts were made in a defensive posture or in a manner questioning her sources of information and logic of her conclusions.  I sincerely do not think RWD is anti-Russian, but I also think that we should not tolerate blatant America bashing either.  My family is now Russian and American and I see strengths and weaknesses in both countries.
KenC

[Momus]

How dare you change subject ?

Well, I tried. 

[Simoni]

I like cheese! 

I see you have survived culture shock and adapted well to your new environment, Catzenmouse :-)

[Ronnie]

yeah, that's the place where I got my degree and where I learnt English, too.
BTW, how did you know about that method?!

Good to see you haven't lost your sense of humor! 

[catzenmouse]

I see you have survived culture shock and adapted well to your new environment, Catzenmouse :-)

Whew! I thought that one went right by everybody!

Back on topic: Elena doesn't really care much one way or the other about the elections or who is the next president. She doesn't see much difference as they aren't going to do anything that will matter to her which would be making it easier to bring her mama here for a visit or get our son his 10 year GC (she's had her's for awhile now) so aside from looking forward to it being over so she won't have to see any more of the ads it is a pretty meaningless event.