Run for your lives....The propaganda war

[catzenmouse]

Some may feel (and some do) that I am a total @sshole, but hey, what's that got to do with anything..

I certainly don't think you're a total @sshole BC. 98.34912% is close but not quite enough to make it to the total category. I'm a few (or a few dozen depending upon who you ask) % points over 100% so if you want to make it to that elusive club let me know and I'll send them to you... 

[Misha]

Considering the 'state of the FSUnion' today, I hope that newfound prosperity works it's way down to those truly in need, mainly those that cannot control what happens around them.

It would be really nice if this were to happen. So far, not much is trickling down.

[Serebro]

Makkin

Me thinks it's too late to help the girl who is about 27-28 years old

who cares about what the person who goes on Jack's tours thinks especially when he is around 50 and still doesn't think about family but sexual entertainment?!

to the others... too boring, I tried to have a  discussion with KenC, but it turned out that his judgements are based on something that he read 30 years ago and I can see no reason why the others should be different, there is no chance to find the "truth" here as you still live "in the past"

[BC]

Serebro, given that you are so interested in what the media has to say, below are a few Russian sources in English that look at the issue of orphans. I have pasted a few excerpts and highlighted a few passages that I find relevant. They show how much Russians in Russia "love" their orphans and are concerned about their well-being.

Is interesting.. I googled Marianna Belenkaya and ended up at the following site:

http://en.rian.ru/

Is this news agency one of the 'official' media outlets that are being bashed in another thread?

[KenC]

to the others... too boring, I tried to have a  discussion with KenC, but it turned out that his judgements are based on something that he read 30 years ago and I can see no reason why the others should be different, there is no chance to find the "truth" here as you still live "in the past"

Serebro,
Huh?  The last thing I quoted was from February of this year.  You are not interested in any "truth" but your own.  Your only intent here is to post your anti-American opinions.  There is no reasoning with trolls like you and there is no reason to contiue to try.
bu buy.
 
KenC

[KenC]

Members of RWD,
My suggestion is that you do not continue to feed the troll, Serebro.
KenC

[BC]

Members of RWD,
My suggestion is that you do not continue to feed the troll, Serebro.
KenC

I cry foul!

As long as I can learn something 'induced' by Serebro she is not a troll..

Before y'all get your panties ruffled, I am a happily married man!

 

[turniptruck]

A group of adult men harrassing a young women.  How boorish. 

[KenC]

I cry foul!

As long as I can learn something 'induced' by Serebro she is not a troll..

Before y'all get your panties ruffled, I am a happily married man!

 

You can cry all you want, BC,
All I see is trollish behavior lately from Serebro.  She is intent on pushing her own anti-American agenda here and refuses to acknowledge any logical or factual representation of the other point of view.  She is not interested in learning or teaching, just disrupting.  Pray tell me the difference between such behavior and a troll?

A group of adult men harrassing a young women.  How boorish. 

Obviously you missed the feminist movement where they obtained equal rights.  The flip side of those "rights" are the matching responsibilities.  I have a RW here that I share living quarters with that would rip your head off if you tried to make excuses for her because she is a "girl."
KenC

[Admin]

Sometimes y'all need to take a little humor break.

One of the most fascinating aspects of our advertising campaign is that Google, independently, does an inventory of information on the page being displayed and produces what it believes are relevant links to advertisers.

When I view THIS topic (page 3, with only 4 posts on that page so far), the Google links to advertisers are:

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Gotta tell ya - when I read the page, and then looked at what Google was saying is relevant, I had to ROFL 

- Dan

[turniptruck]

Ken, I did not make a post regarding whether or not women have rights but rather commenting on rude behavior.  There is such a thing as 'piling it on' and 'ganging up' and 'bullying'.  I'm for a healthy debate as much as the next guy but too often one sees individuals taking things too far and beyond the realm of good taste. 

If one can define class as beauty without vanity then I think one can define it as expressing ones opinion without being cruel. 

Personally, I don't really see much upside in a thread like this one.  Even if you are right, you are 'wrong'.  Sometimes it's just better to let things be rather than to appear overbearing.

[Makkin]

BC,

  Thank you for the informative manner as to that of your interest in my post/posts.

  At this time I'm not ready to commit to your suggestions on how I should post but thanks in any case. I will do as I feel and I'm wishing you the best in all things.

Makkin

[wxman]

Funny thing about the OP. I think my fiancee must have saw that on Ukrainian TV last night. This morning I got an email from her as she was very worried about the "economic collapse" in the US. Now I know where she got the info.     I called her to alleviate her fears of me being put out on the street without a job.    This hasn't been the first time with her falling for the propaganda.  I have received calls after Hurricane Katrina to make sure I was OK, even though I live over 1000 miles away, the bridge collapse in Minneapolis to make sure i wasn't on it even though I live 250 miles away, and a few other incidents. Seems that they tend to make it look like the whole country is affected by such things. Of course our media does the same thing when something happens there. She is starting to take the media with a grain of salt, although she still somewhat believes that Neil Armstrong did not walk on the moon and that it was a hoax.  (She was taught that when she was in school)

[Jet]

Jet called it a propaganda war.  It is not a war if only one party is engaged in the tactic and the other ignores it and goes about business as usual.  That was the purpose of my asking you to search American press accounts of Russia.  I saw nothing in the recent archives that bashed Russia, nothing as in NOTHING.  Unlike Russian media, our media is not owned/controlled by government and are free to print what they choose.

Not so fast there cowboy 

It is NOT one sided! American tactics are arguably more subversive, possibly more nefarious, and absolutely more polished than Russia's. That's the reason I invited folks to post examples from either side. Gator I know you haven't had little ones in the house lately, but the NY Times is the WRONG place to be looking for US propaganda; you need to be tuning into Nickelodeon & The Cartoon Channel 

Allow me to introduce you to H²Olga:

One of the supervillians in a show called "the fairly oddparents" which targets kids from 6 to 10. Olga is out to destroy the world, she has a thick Russian accent similar to Natasha of Rocky and Bullwinkle fame. She has the stereotypical physique of the Soviet announcer in that now infamous Wendy's commercial (svimvear, evningvear). Are you starting to see where I'm going with this yet?

[catzenmouse]

Have any of you seen one of the latest in the pathetic commercials from Burger King where they are at a Wendy's (I think) and were offered a baked potato so they complain loudly that "What is this, Russia?"

I went to their corporate web site to voice my opinion about their offensive commercial and, lo and behold, there is no way to contact them except for snail mail (that I could find).

Not that it means much as we don't eat that kind of crap anyway but if we did I would never again purchase anything from this company.

Propaganda is everywhere and often very well disguised as Jet mentioned.

Ken

[Admin]

Jet,

Now that you mention it - do you recall the movie "Italian Job"? They had the bad guy - and they had the worse guys. The worse guys were "Ukrainian mafia."

It seems there are a bunch of movies in which the villains are "Russian mafia".

- Dan

[Jet]

A few more examples at my wife's prompting:


Who thinks this was a glowing tribute to the Russian space program?
(Cosmonaut Lev Andropov in the immortal Bruce Willis epic Armageddon)

How about this...

Ohh wait, that's probably OK 'cuz he's supposed to be from Kazakhstan 

We even saw some overtones in this story of Victor Navorski, a native of the fictitious Slavic country of Krakozia.
(Although, to be fair - there was a good bit of finger pointing at the idiocy of our own government regulations in it as well)

[Gator]

Not so fast there cowboy 

It is NOT one sided! American tactics are arguably more subversive, possibly more nefarious, and absolutely more polished than Russia's. That's the reason I invited folks to post examples from either side. Gator I know you haven't had little ones in the house lately, but the NY Times is the WRONG place to be looking for US propaganda; you need to be tuning into Nickelodeon & The Cartoon Channel 

Allow me to introduce you to H²Olga:

One of the supervillians in a show called "the fairly oddparents" which targets kids from 6 to 10. Olga is out to destroy the world, she has a thick Russian accent similar to Natasha of Rocky and Bullwinkle fame. She has the stereotypical physique of the Soviet announcer in that now infamous Wendy's commercial (svimvear, evningvear). Are you starting to see where I'm going with this yet?

Demonstration of America's intellectual superiority.  Instead of going after the minds of Joe Six-Pack, we imprint our young knowing we will have them forever. 

Serebro, I am not serious!  

[BillyB]

she still somewhat believes that Neil Armstrong did not walk on the moon and that it was a hoax.  (She was taught that when she was in school)

Just the first moon landing a hoax? How about the next five with the moon rover and the time Alan Shepard played golf on the moon? Just don't call it a hoax in front of those astronauts who were there, they'll probably slug you.

Here's what wikipedia says:
Conspiracy theorists insist that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax. These accusations flourish in part because predictions by enthusiasts that Moon landings would become commonplace have not yet come to pass. Some claims can be empirically discredited by three retroreflector arrays left on the Moon by Apollo 11, 14 and 15. Today, anyone on Earth with an appropriate laser and telescope system may bounce laser beams off these devices, verifying deployment of the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment at historically documented Apollo moon landing sites.

In addition, close scrutiny of film footage of the EVAs shows clearly something that could not be replicated in an Earth sound-stage. Lunar dust kicked up by the astronauts and the Lunar Rovers shoots up quite high because of the low gravity, but settles just as rapidly as there is no air resistance. Watching this film footage, and comparing it to footage from the Tom Hanks miniseries, From the Earth to the Moon—which does show dust clouds resulting from the actors' spacesuits kicking up dust—shows this difference clearly.

Anyway we are planning of our next hoax, a manned landing on Mars. My friend, a Boeing engineer, has moved to Alabama and soon to New Orleans to be part of this next mission in it's infant stages. It'll take awhile for an actual manned landing to happen on Mars and it'll cost billions of dollars to create this next hoax.

[Serebro]

Jet, these are very good examples.

When I was in the USA and I wasn't searching for the information on Russian ON PURPOSE subconsciously all the movies I saw about Russia or the USSR(i/e/ what any ordinary american who doesn't have any particular interest in Russia could see)was either primitive/negative or contained stupid humour. So here are the examples of what an ordinary american could see on TV about Eastern Europe:

You forgot Bithday girl(2002).


the Russian "brother" is of course unshaved, all Russian men are unshaved and look drunk.

Red Heat(1988)


In Hell(2003)(Jean Claude van Damme)

Product Description
Inside the most corrupt prison in Europe's Eastern Block, the warden pits prisoners against each other in fights to the death for profit. The brutality transforms the inmates into dreaded monsters. The contender is Kyle LeBlanc (Jean-Claude Van Damme, "Derailed"), who is sentenced to life for killing his wife's murderer. Facing the brutality, Kyle starts to become one of the monsters he dispises, but his savage rage may be what saves his life.

[Jazzyclassy]

Serebro is absolutely normal smart and lovely girl, troll is  the one who is sitting all day long on this forum and barks like a dog  on every reasonable statements female members give here

 You guys, do not understand, you do not live in Russia constantly and the ones who lived, still you have the other perception of how it all works here.

All those american movies making russians look stupid, evil, mafia people and horrible bastards , you think there is no propaganda , you think it is all true ) well carry on thinking like that

The thing is that Russians are very kind people and that is why they allowed all those crazy mocking at them , you try and make such a movie about americans ,  and you will see that it will be war already by the end of the broadcasting it

so I suggest you not to spit into the source of information you will need once to use.

If you take our opinions for granted than there is nothing to talk with you about

[Serebro]

another entertaining movie for those who don't have a lot of money but wants to feel himself a hero saving poor Russian people
Icon(2005)

Product Description
Best-selling phenomenon Frederick Forsyth has set the thriller standard.
Russia is on the brink of anarchy, and its current president stands powerless against the growing famine and inflation, the escalating crime and corruption, and the teeming hordes of unemployed rebels roaming the streets. Radical right-wing party leader Igor Komarov (Patrick Bergin) welcomes the chaos. He looks forward to the new election, having gained the respect of the restless masses by promising law, order, prosperity, and to restore the lost greatness of their homeland. Who is this icon of peace who assures a Russia reborn? One man who knows is Jason Monk (Patrick Swayze), ex-CIA and "the best damn agent-runner" in the business. He's seen Komarov's confidential "Black Manifesto," which calls for a return to dictatorship, military expansionism, and genocidal ethnic cleansing.
Now Monk's determined to blow the lid off Komarov's secret new order, and he's on a personal vendetta as well--to find Anatoli Grishin (Ben Cross), the sadistic KGB officer who once tortured and murdered four of his agents and is now Komarov's head of security. Monk's mission is to stop Komarov, whatever it takes, and finally settle the score with Grishin. But to accomplish it, he must remain alive. The forces allied against him are ruthless--and time is running frighteningly short.

ATTENTION!!!!Based on the thrilling novel the New York Times calls "vintage Forsyth," this gripping thriller poses a scenario as frighteningly plausible as tomorrow's headlines.
The movie was MENTIONED by the NEW YORK TIMES Gator likes and believes!!!


PERFECT and BRILLIANT!!!!

Can you feel any propaganda?!!!! 

For those who have already packed their bags

Siberia(2005)


will inform you that Russian girls are cheap whores.(it's not actually a porn as you may think, just an innocent description)

and of course Hostel parts 1-2(2006-2007) will ask you to be careful with them.

[AugustD]

I really do not think ridiculous stereotypes by Hollywood should be a surprise to most free thinking adults.  Certainly not propaganda as the only agenda on their mind is to make big bucks.

Also I do not think it is a surprise that US government and Russia government exhibit propaganda either.  I think the issue would be is if free thinking adults react to all that they hear as firm truth.  Would be a bit ignorant.

[Serebro]

These are the movies about Eastern Europe that are shown in the west.If to combine these movies with news about Russian election and Putin's having much "power" plus the war in Chechnya where Russians kill "poor chechenians", plus terorism, plus Russians "not giving gas to Ukraine" and Ukrainians screaming about Russians causing Holodomor(famine) the image of Russia is "pretty nice".


If you want to read any other news like improving of Russian economy or building new districts/huses/trade centres, the raising number of Russians who can travel around the world now or about a unique Russian surgeon saving lives you HAVE to KNOW Russian to be able to read this.

If you pay attention to the dates the movies mentioned by me were made you will see that only one of them was made in time of existance of the USSR-Red Heat in 1988, as for the others since  Bush and Putin became presidents and the USA had its 9/11 and dollar started falling down the number of terrible movies about Russia has increased.

[Serebro]

I really do not think ridiculous stereotypes by Hollywood should be a surprise to most free thinking adults.  Certainly not propaganda as the only agenda on their mind is to make big bucks.

so why  does watching bad movies about bad and terrible poor Russians cause so much pleasure to  people from the west that they are ready to pay for this trash?!


why do Russian cinemas and Russian TV shows the same movies about the USA and any other countries as they do in the west-Devil wears Prada, Spanglish, different comedies, "friends", etc and as for American TV it only shows crap?!

If you want to know the "recent image" that Russia gives to the USA watch a documentary serial "Одноэтажная Америка"where 2 Russian and 1 American journalist make a big movie about life in America travelling from one state to another(25 states and 50 towns/cities) and asking people different questions about their life, in Russia it's shown on Mondays- channel 1.
The first channel has  different time for people living abroad and it's in Russian but you have Russian wives with who you can see it and I am sure they will translate it for you.

it has 16 parts as I remember:they show them since February till May.
http://www.1tvrus.com/anonce/pkvs/9159/?tz=47

here you can download it

http://www.intv.ru/view/?film_id=45329