What difference does age make?

[groovlstk]

Reading jb’s posts I had come to conclusion that he supported judging women by content of her character, NOT by  the city or place where she lived.

It is disappointing that vice versa appears to be true. 

Like Gator I don't want to put words in JB's mouth, but it seemed to me that he'd grown weary of second-rate men going to Moscow and having no luck impressing women with their blue passport, and then travelling to the hinterlands and suddenly finding themselves the center of attention, then reporting back here advising guys to avoid "spoiled" Moscow women. So it was always a point of pride to JB when a guy had what it took to woo a Moscow woman, nothing more or nothing less.

[Misha]

Like Gator I don't want to put words in JB's mouth, but it seemed to me that he'd grown weary of second-rate men going to Moscow and having no luck impressing women with their blue passport, and then travelling to the hinterlands and suddenly finding themselves the center of attention, then reporting back here advising guys to avoid "spoiled" Moscow women. So it was always a point of pride to JB when a guy had what it took to woo a Moscow woman, nothing more or nothing less.

Again, having what it takes to "woo" a Moscow woman depends on many factors: when (it was a lot different 10 or even 5 years ago than last year); children (does she have any); age (hers and his), etc.... I avoided women from Moscow not because I couldn't "woo" them, but because I do not like Moscow. The city is too big for my tastes and it tires me to be there.

[groovlstk]

Again, having what it takes to "woo" a Moscow woman depends on many factors: when (it was a lot different 10 or even 5 years ago than last year); children (does she have any); age (hers and his), etc.... I avoided women from Moscow not because I couldn't "woo" them, but because I do not like Moscow. The city is too big for my tastes and it tires me to be there.

I'd agree, Misha. The longer I'm married the less I believe in the differences between women based on their locations, there are many more important considerations. Speaking for myself (and not JB), it does get irritating when guys who are barely more than sex tourists get indignant when they don't get star treatment in Moscow or Kiev. On my first trip to Ukraine when I was younger and fit as a whipcord, I was stunned at the attention I received from beautiful women, it can really go to your head. It's not often discussed here but I think most guys who are OK looking and have a minimum of social graces have a big challenge in taking a step back and putting everything in perspective. I'd also guess those who can't manage this end up as decades-long sex tourists even if they originally started out with good intentions.

[Misha]

Speaking for myself (and not JB), it does get irritating when guys who are barely more than sex tourists get indignant when they don't get star treatment in Moscow or Kiev.

True enough. Also, they are likely not to know ANY Russian and will hand around the touristy places or expensive parts of Moscow and the restaurants where they speak English. In other words, the women they are likely to see in these restaurants and expensive stores are invariably the daughter's of Russia's rich elite. The daughters of Russia's oligarchs and millionaires would not be interested in ANY of the men here, even those who are married to Muscovites If they were to spend more than a week in Moscow and live in one of the more distant neighborhoods of the city and spoke even a bit of Russian and had a minimum of looks and personality, even they would not have any problems finding dates in Moscow.

[Turboguy]

I am one of the ones who always suggested avoiding Moscow, St Petersburg and Kiev.   Even though I come from a tiny village in the middle of nowhere in the USA I never found dating women from the Big Apple who were attractive and successful any more difficult, perhaps easier than dating small town women.  I don't think attracting a women from Moscow would be a problem if you found a good one that was not taken.   

I think now more guys head to the out of the way places but for many those three big cities are the destination of choice.   One of the last Moscow women I dated had moved to Moscow from Archangelsk way up north near the Barrent Sea.   I remember her bragging to me that the women in Archangelsk could not get a boyfriend or even a date and that she had had over 20 serious marriage proposals since she had been in Moscow.   This gal was short, overweight and plain.   I guess inner beauty is far more important than outer beauty but I can't say that was her strong point either.  It just seems to me that it would make more sense to head to Archangelsk where beautiful women can't get a boyfriend or even a date than to Moscow where one who is not outstanding can have guys falling all over her.
   

[Misha]

One of the last Moscow women I dated had moved to Moscow from Archangelsk way up north near the Barrent Sea.   I remember her bragging to me that the women in Archangelsk could not get a boyfriend or even a date and that she had had over 20 serious marriage proposals since she had been in Moscow.

Ummmm, what can I say, sometimes what people brag about and the truth are two very different things.

It just seems to me that it would make more sense to head to Archangelsk where beautiful women can't get a boyfriend or even a date than to Moscow where one who is not outstanding can have guys falling all over her.

Generalizing from one anecdotal experience is never recommended. I have been to Arkhangelsk and it is a beautiful city. I do recommend people visiting it. However, as always, I will put forward my another example that counters yours. My wife has a very attractive friend mid-twenties who works in Moscow and travels to work from one of the cities of the Moscow Oblast. She can't really find anybody. She has lots of offers, but usually from married men.

[UnderDark]

I got into this discussion very late, but this is what I observed; dating anybody 18-21 is a complete waste of time.  What I don't get is that even the best, most reputable agencies will have girls in this age listed on their web-site or in their catalogue. Girls in this age range are immature (like we all were at this age) and not ready for a life changing decision. So don't buy the agency propaganda. Also most of this age range are in college and unwilling to interrupt their education.  So if you are 25 or 35, age difference is unimportant. It is a waste of time for a man of any age.

Ages 22 to 25 are similar, but you can find serious women. Just try to find out if they are serious by communication with them through letters or asking an honest agency about their intentions. I think many would accept a 10 to 15 year age difference.

For women 35 and older, I think age difference is the least important.  The most important this is that there is much in common and their opinion of the man.  

I also noticed that some women will post age ranges well outside of what they actually want.  If a 23 year old advertises that she is seeking a man 25 to 50 years old, it might be agency fibbing a little or she really does not mean it.

[Turboguy]

The cold hard reality of it is that you are looking for that one special woman who fits perfectly with you and your life.   She would well be anywhere.   

I find the "having what it takes to woo a Moscow woman" theory a little out in left field.   Yes, if you are a dairy farmer from Wisconson perhaps you should avoid Moscow women.   If a woman lists that she only wants to live in a big city and you live in a tiny villiage in the middle of nowhere, I would suggest avoiding her.   I think if you live an a small town you need to be very open about that and if you get negative feedback then move on.   Lots of big city women can find life in a small town pleasant.   Not all need the rush of fast paced city life.  My wife came from a fairly large city and seems to enjoy our quiet little villiage with a population of 8500. 

Second thing I don't agree with is "go where the desperate women are"  If a woman is a winner she will get lots of interest where ever she is.  Some Russian women would have guys willing to crawl from Moscow to deep Siberia if they had to.  I know what options my wife had and there were plenty and really nice looking successful young guys.  There may be fewer guys going to the smaller cities but there are also fewer women they are meeting there.   A beautiful women will not be desperate where ever she is.  I am not saying going to an out of the way place isn't a good option.  I am saying the women you meet there will not be desperate.

 

[dobradavid]

Caperone,unlike those men who are in their late 40s-50s you have all the chances to get a mid-20 girl, because, most of girls ( at least among those who I know) would prefer a relationship with a man of the same age or no more then five -seven years older. And the attitude would be different - because age difference means not only physical difference, but mentality as well, which is much more important when you try to start a relationship. Being mature or not doesn't make much difference here. By the way, I don't think it is mature of older men to look for very young wives. How do they imagine themselves living with them in 15-20 years, I wonder. 
No offence to older men - once I observed a picture, when an older man ( a man who obviously came to find a young and pretty wife for himself) was at the club with a very young girl - that was a sorry sight ...

I agree...sites such as www.khersongirls.com the ladies give what they consider an acceptable age range. No women (sigh unseen) gives an upper age range more than 15 years older than she is. 

[dobradavid]

I live in the province of Manitoba, Canada and my experiences make me believe it is less risky for me to marry a RW than a Canadian woman.

ROTFLMAO! 

[dobradavid]

Mary Cleary: "Let me tell you something about old age and that God of yours. Inside this stupid body, I am still young… I still feel.  I still want"...

Colleen McCullough "The Thorn Birds"

A great line...