My names Alex and I'm quitting AW

[mark2353]

Oh, these American smiles!

ok! you know russia! what is you comment on the american smile?

[Doll]

ok! you know russia! what is you comment on the american smile?

What does it have to do with my knowing Russia?
As for smiles- too much

[mark2353]

What does it have to do with my knowing Russia?
As for smiles- too much

Since I have lived (for 20+yrs) what I call the capital of "American Smile"  not always complementry, I would really like to know you opinion!
mark

[Doll]

I said , TOO MUCH. Can never say what a person really feels or thinks.
 I can but have to just skip smiles.

[KenC]

KenC
I am sorry but my memory of the russian ladies in the bond movies was not what I recall was displayed was a bunch of dikes! at best. The media did not show these ladies at their best! Maybe it was a blessing otherwise our liberal AW would have mess that up also!
mark

Dude,
I don't know which Bond movies you were watching, but the RW characters in the ones I saw were all HOT!  Tough but HOT too..  Like Xenia Onatopp!  Although most of the Russian women in the Bond movies were played by nonRussian actresses, the next Bond movie will spotlight a Ukrainian girl from Moscow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-507899/The-Ukranian-girl-discovered-Moscows-metro-grew-Bonds-sexiest-star-yet.html
KenC

[mark2353]

Dude,
I don't know which Bond movies you were watching, but the RW characters in the ones I saw were all HOT!  Tough but HOT too..  Like Xenia Onatopp!  Although most of the Russian women in the Bond movies were played by nonRussian actresses, the next Bond movie will spotlight a Ukrainian girl from Moscow.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-507899/The-Ukranian-girl-discovered-Moscows-metro-grew-Bonds-sexiest-star-yet.html
KenC

Ken,
You are correct! for some reason the only movie that quickly came up was from russia with love, It had a few questionable characters!
Mark

[Ronnie]

Cold war could have ended earlier had we known about the beautiful girls in USSR?  How about 1968 when Paul McCartney told us in song, "Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the west behind."

I guess we musta thought he was just spoofin' us when a few years later he married an AW, Linda Eastman.  Truth is, I'm not sure McCartney and the Beatles had yet been permitted to play in the USSR so it's likely he had no idea how right his words were.

As for me in the sixties, though she was from the fictional Republic of Pottsylvania due to political correctness,  my love interest was the shapely and sultry Natasha Fatale - that Boris Badenov was one lucky spy!

[SANDRO43]

the only movie that quickly came up was from russia with love

Where Corporal Tatiana Romanova was played by an Italian actress (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2465.msg47142#msg47142) .

[Ronnie]

Even in this decade, Russian beauties are being protrayed by WW.  In "Enemy at the Gates" (2001) Tania was played by British-born actress Rachel Weisz. 

Russian actors who have migrated to Hollywood have not adapted well.

[ScottinCrimea]

Cold war could have ended earlier had we known about the beautiful girls in USSR?  How about 1968 when Paul McCartney told us in song, "Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the west behind."

I guess we musta thought he was just spoofin' us when a few years later he married an AW, Linda Eastman.  Truth is, I'm not sure McCartney and the Beatles had yet been permitted to play in the USSR so it's likely he had no idea how right his words were.

As for me in the sixties, though she was from the fictional Republic of Pottsylvania due to political correctness,  my love interest was the shapely and sultry Natasha Fatale - that Boris Badenov was one lucky spy!

Ronnie,  You might find this article about the Beatles and Russia interesting:

http://beatles.ncf.ca/macca_metro_fab.html

[turniptruck]

How is wanting an older man a great quality?. Clearly, it's just a matter of personal preference..

I'm not so sure wanting an older man is great per se but generally the qualities that older men have (specifically financial as a measure of 'mate value'), make them preferred in many cases.  It's not unusual for a man to be married to a woman 10 years his junior.  I doubt it would be commented on much in the west. 

While I think Cougars are delicious, they would excite much comment.  Evolution has seen fit to make female mate value 'youth and beauty' and male mate value 'status'.  Our personal preferences are unavoidably linked to our heritage.  I know, how depressingly fatalistic

[turniptruck]

Sure- most of men like it but why to seek for these characteristics in a certain country? So there is something else.

It could be that Occam's Razor is applicable.  It may just be as simple as xyz or abc country is where the highest quality women who are willing to date these men reside.  I don't know of many 'tour groups' going around the US but they might exist.  Seems like there is an imbalance somewhere.

[Doll]

Evolution has seen fit to make female mate value 'youth and beauty' and male mate value 'status'.

This is what you want to believe in.Evolution has nothing to do with status or to be more correct a man needs to match a woman- agewise and statuswise.
Come on guy! Show me a 30 yo woman who sincerely wants a 50 yo husband.
You believe what you want to believe.
BTW a younger husband is what a doctor told us  - by  the age of 50 they don't remember what sex is.

[SANDRO43]

Come on guy! Show me a 30 yo woman who sincerely wants a 50 yo husband.

When on holiday at our seaside last summer, I was struck by the number of couples I saw promenading hand-in-hand, most wearing wedding bands, that apparently fit that very description (unless younger Italian men have been greying prematurely without my noticing ).

[turniptruck]

This is what you want to believe in.Evolution has nothing to do with status or to be more correct a man needs to match a woman- agewise and statuswise.
Come on guy! Show me a 30 yo woman who sincerely wants a 50 yo husband.
You believe what you want to believe.
BTW a younger husband is what a doctor told us  - by  the age of 50 they don't remember what sex is.

Men seek status because female sexual selection preferences are for status.  We build cars, create software and represent people as lawyers because we need the money to have sex

A 30 y.o. woman may not want a 50 year old, everything being equal.  BUT, she may prefer him if he has enough status.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:iwzy32BEXUkJ:www.epjournal.net/filestore/ep042622732.pdf+women+seek+status+men+seek+youth+and+beauty+evolutionary+psychology&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us


".
Men Do Prefer Young Women
Evolutionary psychologists do in fact have theoretical and empirical reasons for believing
that men are attracted to relatively young women. This phenomenon is linked to universal sex
differences in life-history strategies. Life-history strategies refer to the allocation of resources to
physical development, mating, and parenting over the lifespan. Because women more than men
invest physiologically in offspring and because women’s reproductive capacities suffer a much
more severe age-linked decline than men’s (for instance, women undergo menopause), men,
relative to women, are predicted to have a stronger preference for younger mates (e.g., Buss,
1989; Symons, 1979). Women in their early 20s are maximally fertile (although women in their
late teens have greater reproductive value, i.e., number of possible children remaining). As men
age there is an increasing disparity between their age and the age of maximally fertile women.
Therefore, as men get older, they should progressively increase their preference for women who
are younger than themselves (Kenrick and Keefe, 1992)."

.
Women Do Prefer High-Status Men
“Evolutionary psychologists claim women have an evolved preference for high-status
men” (Buller, 2005, p. 228). This is because, “in general, the higher a male is in status…the
greater his ability to control resources across many situations” (Ellis, 1992, p. 268). The more
resources a male has, the more he can invest in a woman’s offspring. As noted by Buller, status
is often operationalized through two lower-level constructs. The first is interpersonal dominance:
“one’s ability to prevail over another in competitive encounters” (Ellis, 1992, p. 274). The
second is a capacity to acquire resources, usually manipulated in experiments through income
Page 7
The Mating Game Isn’t Over
Evolutionary Psychology – ISSN 1474-7049 – Volume 4. 2006.
-268-
level or socioeconomic status (SES). Buller argues that “there is no convincing evidence of a
robust female preference for high-status males” (p. 252).
Buller’s general claim is that the observed effects are entirely spurious and due simply to
mating based on status similarity. He contrasts this with another alternative explanation for the
findings produced by evolutionary psychologists, the structural powerlessness hypothesis. This
hypothesis, while admitting that the effects are real, argues they are due only to modern
inequalities between the sexes, not evolved sex-differentiated mating mechanisms. We will only
mention a couple of arguments against the structural powerlessness hypothesis (for more,
interested readers can consult, e.g., Ellis, 1992; Kenrick and Li, 2000; Townsend and Levy,
1990b). First, the structural powerlessness hypothesis makes the prediction that as women gain
greater access to power and wealth, they will be less selective about the status of their mating
partner. After all, if they already have status, they do not need to use their partner to gain it. This
has been shown not to be the case; in fact, as women increase in SES, they prefer increasingly
high status mates "

It goes further on page 7.  But, I think that the current thinking on evolutionary psychology and human sexual selection is, men prefer young hotties and women prefer $$$

[Doll]

Men seek status because female sexual selection preferences are for status.  We build cars, create software and represent people as lawyers because we need the money to have sex

Very masculine

[possum]

BTW a younger husband is what a doctor told us  -

Makes sense to me since men are at their sexual peak in their early 20's, while women don't reach theirs until mid to late 30's..

[I/O]

(unless younger Italian men have been greying prematurely without my noticing ).

Were they with RW? If so, it's a wonder they had any hair left.

I/O

[SANDRO43]

Were they with RW? If so, it's a wonder they had any hair left.

ROFL, no, as far as I could tell, they were with local IW .

[Doll]

Come on, Sandro! 20 years between the spouses is NOT typical for any country.
15 is not typical, 10 is very rare.

[turniptruck]

Makes sense to me since men are at their sexual peak in their early 20's, while women don't reach theirs until mid to late 30's..

So that means..... a man will reach orgasm at 25 seconds when he is 20 versus 33 seconds when he is 50? 

[turniptruck]

Come on, Sandro! 20 years between the spouses is NOT typical for any country.
15 is not typical, 10 is very rare.

What do you mean by typical?  Very rare ?  How are you coming up with these statements?  Do you have anything to back them up? 

I don't consider 10 years as very rare. Maybe this is a difference of perception.  1/10 or 1/4 doesn't seem strange to me.  Maybe this is what you mean by 'very rare?

NOrway:

http://www.ssb.no/ola_kari_en/familie_en/fig-2005-03-08-03-en.html

"Living together: widening age gap – both ways

Traditionally, the age difference at the time of marriage has been relatively large. Men have on average been three to four years older than their wives. Along with increased gender equality in many areas of life, such as education and the labour market, it would seem reasonable to assume that this age gap would diminish. However, this does not seem to be the case. Over the past 50 years the age difference has changed very little. Following a fall in the marriage age towards the end of the 1960s, the average age at marriage has increased for both women and men, but the age difference is the same.

However, this average does not necessarily reflect the age differences in individual marriages. When looking at individual marriages we find that there has been an increase in marriages with relatively large age differences. The proportion of marriages where the man is more than nine years older than the woman has almost doubled. In addition, there has been a systematic increase in marriages where the woman is older than the man.

Somewhat surprisingly perhaps, cohabitants are very similar to married couples with regard to age differences – with one exception: the proportion of cohabiting couples where the man is more than nine years older than the woman is far lower."


Note 10+ year age difference is approaching 15%.


England:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/article.asp?ID=1232&Pos=6&ColRank=1&Rank=192

"husbands would
be at least 10 years older than their wives, if randomly assigned by
age, compared with an actual fi gure of 11 per cent in 2001 marriages."


"We saw in Table 3 above that just 10–12 per cent of remarrying men
were 15+ years older than their new wife. Even if we adopt a more
inclusive defi nition of a large age difference as 10+ years, a minority of
between 25–29 per cent of remarrying men in the years selected are older
than their new partner by such a margin."





Note 10+ year age difference is 11% and between 25-29% for remarriages.



http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23746580-5006007,00.html

"But, according to new US research, the "success'' part may not have much to do with it, either. The older a man is when he marries after 40, the greater the likelihood that his bride will be significantly younger - whether that man is wealthy and educated or not.

"If you look at guys who do marry, the poor guys marry down in age just as much as the rich guys do,'' said Paula England, a Stanford University sociologist and co-author of the new study.

"That was kind of surprising to us.''

Men in their 40s tend to marry women who average seven years younger, and men in their 50s are marrying brides who average 11 years younger, according to England's research. And men in the 60s?

They tend to marry women who are 13 years younger."




http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=what-is-the-best-age-difference-for-husband-and-wife

""We studied how parental age difference at marriage affected [families'] reproductive success among Sami people who married only once in their lifetime," says ecologist Samuli Helle of the University of Turku in Finland. "We found that marrying women 14.6 years younger maximized men's lifetime reproductive success—in other words, the number of offspring surviving to age 18."

The researchers did this by examining church records of 700 marriages from the Utsjoki, Inari and Enontekiö populations from the 17th through 19th centuries (in order to eliminate the effects of modern medicine on child survival).

Yet, only 10 percent of these marriages were between men and women with that optimal age difference. "

[SANDRO43]

Come on, Sandro! 20 years between the spouses is NOT typical for any country.15 is not typical, 10 is very rare.

Doll, that is also what I thought, and the reason why those 'atypical' couples caught my attention.

A possible explanation for this is socio-economical. Some 10+ years ago a new legislation was enacted introducing part-time jobs (a novelty here), and Italian companies have been leaning heavily on it for their new hires. As a result, a lot of young people have an unstable and poorly-paid job, not a good foundation for building a family on, also considering our high real-estate prices.

On the other hand, a 45+ y.o. man usually holds a more secure and better-paid job, and may be considered a better prospect, stability-wise, by a family-minded IW .

[I/O]

ROFL, no, as far as I could tell, they were with local IW .

That'd do it too. Dated one for a time in my late teens, temperamental.......90% temper and 10% mental.

[SANDRO43]

That'd do it too. Dated one for a time in my late teens, temperamental.......90% temper and 10% mental.

I must be an resilient exception, then, I married one when I was 26, and my first grey hairs appeared after I turned 50, long after my divorce at 33 .