The Hot Husband pictures.

[May First]

Yap!

Just like poor Natasha- Mr. Big's wife from Sex and the City.........
She had to settle for an older man but he left her anyway.

[mspanky]

What?
Retired?

You are bursting my bubble!

Smpanky promised a bunch of them right now!!!!!!!

  There are many of these types of men at dating websites(in fact isn't that how Ana met her husband?),workplace,boating shows,playing golf. They are everywhere, it just depends on your circle and the age range they know.

  Right now I personally know of 2 very good looking and successful men in their 30's. They don't date foreign women or I may say seek them out. But I'm sure if they met a woman and she happened to be Russian and knocked their socks off they would marry her.

   Ken, do you now get what type of woman I was talking about? Lena's friends are educated career women with PHD's. Those were not who I was talking about. Reread my post as we were discussing beautiful women with little skills other than flipping burgers. THOSE are the sort of beautiful women who will end up in strip clubs. No different from what happens all over the world.

[turniptruck]

D
Should we sense a "man crush" here? 
KenC

Maybe envy   I do think that I have proof of God's fallability.  I was clearly supposed to have been born in Italy.  Seems when the time came, the paperwork must have been misrouted.  Still a little sensitive about the whole thing!

Please, i've noticed a lot of "old fart" comments.  It's incredibly rude!  The polite terms are "Old Goat", "Decrepit AM" or "Crumbling Patriarch".

[May First]

  Reread my post as we were discussing beautiful women with little skills other than flipping burgers. THOSE are the sort of beautiful women who will end up in strip clubs. No different from what happens all over the world.

Actually a lat of stripers are students (on their way to PHD) paying their way through school.

[May First]

  There are many of these types of men at dating websites(in fact isn't that how Ana met her husband?),workplace,boating shows,playing golf. They are everywhere, it just depends on your circle and the age range they know.

  

Well, I don't date but my single friends ( pretty, skinny, Russian.... all that) for some reason complain all the time how hard it is to find someone any good. They say good men are all taken.

 

[mspanky]

Actually a lat of stripers are students (on their way to PHD) paying their way through school.

  I guess that would make sense. When you're earning $100,000 tax free dollars a year working a few hours at night, I suppose you not only have time to take college courses. But can well afford it too.

   I've never seen beautiful RW without a college degree at McDonalds or any beautiful women there. But I have seen many in NY and NJ strip clubs(in NJ they dance in Bikini's as it's illegal to be topless unless they do not serve liquor. Imagine making $100 grand a year working in a small bikini? They wear about the same at the beach.RW  Being as determined as they are, I'm sure many were working towards college degrees and PHD's IF they did work in those sort of clubs..

[Admin]

Actually a lat of stripers are students (on their way to PHD) paying their way through school.

Really?!?

Do you have personal knowledge, or are you merely regurgitating something you read?

- Dan

[Doll]

She knows! 

[May First]

Really?!?

Do you have personal knowledge, or are you merely regurgitating something you read?

- Dan

Personal knowledge, and I will explain.

When I was in collage, there was one known strip club "at state line".
Some of the students did not hide that they worked there. Most of them smart, on their way to med, law school. 

[Admin]

Personal knowledge, and I will explain.

When I was in collage, there was one known strip club "at state line".
Some of the students did not hide that they worked there. Most of them smart, on their way to med, law school. 

When was that?

[May First]

When was that?

 Class of 2002.
Why?

[mspanky]

  can't blame some college students for that. Hell when I was in college I struggled at odd jobs to make ends meet and still ended up with student loans. I would have loved to be able to get up and strip in front of a bunch of women a la Chippendales. With money stuffed in my g-string earning $50,000 or more a year on just a few hours a week.

 Alas I could never get women to pay me to see me in a G-string. But I could get them to luagh at the sight.

[viking]

I was taken to a "gentlemens club" only last year. Many young RW's working as lap dancers, pole dancers but no sex. The ones I spoke with said they were students at local universities. I have my doubts but this is what I was told.

[May First]

I didn’t know any Russian dancers. But I believe they there are some. And why not?
They are young + single, most don’t have “old money” to pay for school (children of emigrants or first generation emigrants themselves trying to build American dream) + FSU culture is much more opened about nudity compare to US.
 

[beachcomber556]

This entire discussion is rather sad, in a pathetic, shallow sort of way. 

[Misha]

It seems as if strip clubs have been idealized in this thread. A few things to keep in mind. The Hell's Angels are often involved in the strip club business directly or indirectly. They often provide the "protection" and it is a good venue for selling drugs. This from the New York Times: "It's always been the word on the street that they support themselves through drugs and protection of strip clubs." Yes, a woman can earn a very good salary, but she will have to be wise enough to keep clear of drugs and she will have to be prudent with her money as she might have at best ten years to work. And, it is not an easy profession: women can be injured according to this site. Also, if the goal is to dump the old fart and to find a decent CEO, would he want to introduce her as "girlfriend and stripper."

[mspanky]

  Misha,

 Unfortunately CEO's are not as smart and many thing with the little head just like many of us. There are many stories of rich men marrying strippers. One being Anna Nicole Smith, another in Las Vegas got killed by his stripper wife for money. Then you have the Rock Stars who thinks strippers are "cool" and will marry them. Hell Kelsey Grammer"Frasier" married a stripper once too. It's not uncommon as you think.

  I am not glorifying this. Just stating for people who think a RW with little education has no little chances to advance if she leaves her American husband I'm just saying it's not so.


  I would hope however if a woman marries an AM it's out of love and a few years later she is very satisfied with her choice and does not want to trade up. But this is why men have to be very wise and begin to look at red flags or understand the dynamics of living in the U.S. may change her. Especially if she's young and beautiful. Opportunities may be available to her that were never available before. Financial independence may be also easily attained. If she's not truly in love she may do whatever it takes to survive in her new world. 

[Misha]

Hell Kelsey Grammer"Frasier" married a stripper once too. It's not uncommon as you think.

I am not glorifying this. Just stating for people who think a RW with little education has no little chances to advance if she leaves her American husband I'm just saying it's not so.

Googled his biography. Kelsey Grammer was married to a stripper for a year or so. He was also deep into cocaine in those years. In the late eighties he was arrested a couple of times and convicted on the possession of cocaine. Again, you can see the connection: drugs and strippers.

I agree that not all RW who leave their husbands will have little chance to advance, but for most women a stripper career likely won't lead them far. Reminds me of the guys who work on the rigs: they makes loads of cash, but a lot get into drugs or they spend their money on booze and gambling. Most will end their careers broke. Yes, there is always the exception who will have salted away his earnings, stayed sober and drug-free, but the lifestyle isn't conducive to it.

The point that I was trying to make (and I still adhere to) is that a woman should assess her options before leaving her "old fart." The young studs who were flirting with her when she was single, may evaporate once she is single and looking. Yes, there will be many other "older farts" she can marry, but to leave one for another is not necessarily the solution she was looking for. Finally, it can take time for a RW to find a decent job (yes, there are exceptions) and a woman who is married can be more choosy when it comes to her job. If she doesn't have to worry about paying the rent, she does not have to take any job that comes her way. Once a woman has dumped her old husband and is living on her own, she may not have the option to be quite as particular when it comes to choosing jobs.

[May First]

   Opportunities may be available to her that were never available before. Financial independence may be also easily attained. If she's not truly in love she may do whatever it takes to survive in her new world. 

I was going to walk by, but I guess I can’t help myself…

Forget all the striper talk here and CEOs by the dozen talk, what all those glamorous opportunities that all aver the place here, and “were never available before”?

 “Financial independence may be easily attained”?

Life in US is no peaches and crčme as well as in FSU.
There millions of pretty girls born in US as well as anywhere else struggling to get ahead.
I don’t know a singe one emigrant of any gender that would say, “Financial independence in US may be easily attained”.
Possible-yes, easy no way!
But you can say same thing about FSU !

[Admin]

I didn’t know any Russian dancers. But I believe they there are some. And why not?
They are young + single, most don’t have “old money” to pay for school (children of emigrants or first generation emigrants themselves trying to build American dream) + FSU culture is much more opened about nudity compare to US.

In the context of your message, what does "opened" mean?

- Dan

[May First]

The point that I was trying to make (and I still adhere to) is that a woman should assess her options before leaving her "old fart." The young studs who were flirting with her when she was single, may evaporate once she is single and looking. Yes, there will be many other "older farts" she can marry, but to leave one for another is not necessarily the solution she was looking for.

Most women are not as dumb as you think, even if they are blond.  

[Misha]

Most women are not as dumb as you think, even if they are blond. 

Not a question of stupidity, but a question of evaluating the chances of success. Most people think that they are smarter, more attractive, more desired than they are really are in reality. Doesn't mean that they will succeed in their aspirations. It is not a question of women being dumb, rather a question of some women (and men) not being realistic in their expectations. You can be very smart and still fall prey to this. 

[May First]

In the context of your message, what does "opened" mean?

- Dan

Uncensored and accepted
Part of life. It is everywhere On TV, magazine stands, beaches.
Visit  Dniper River  beaches in Kiev you will see some women are topless and men are all in speedos.

Well you see the trip report photos. Do US women dress that way?

After FSU US culture seems extremely conservative.

[turniptruck]

I've really enjoyed the discussion between Misha and Msspanky.  I would throw this out there though: 

"The key to this puzzle may lie in the following observation: a woman cannot
be both a prostitute and a wife"


From:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:5gRuwqj4tHsJ:www.iies.su.se/seminars/papers/Edlund.pdf+prostitution+decrease+mate+value&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Also from that article:

"Prostitution has an unusual feature: it is well paid despite being low-skill,
labor intensive and, one might add, female dominated. Earnings even in the
worst paid type, streetwalking, may be several multiples of full time earnings in
professions with comparable skill requirements. For instance, newspaper reports
of earnings for prostitutes in Sweden in 1998 were as high as SEK 14,000 (USD
1,750) a day (Aftonbladet 25 September 1998), amounting to about a month’s
earnings in a regular unskilled job. The Economist [14] reported that Arabic
women could make USD 2,000 a night in the Gulf states, and in the same
article, a Latvian prostitute claimed she averaged USD 5,000 per month, 20
times the average wage. How can equilibrium earnings in a profession with only
rudimentary skill and capital requirements be such that a woman can make in
a day what for most women takes weeks or months"

Being 'conservative' or 'family oriented' is a moral code.  Implicit is the desire for certain behaviors in mates.  The idea of 'family oriented' has less to do with a woman being 'submissive' than having members of the family behave in predictable patterns that have proven to be successful in family formation and reproduction.  In this case, the idea of a stripper as a legitimate proffession is abhorent to most 'family oriented' men ( and you can see this in some of the posts). 

Actions have consequences.  If you act like a whore, you're going to be treated like a whore.  While one may focus on earning power, they neglect the real world affects that has on thier marriage potential.  If one is so 'shallow' as ohers have mentioned, then they deserve their life of solitude as assuredly "Most women are not as dumb as you think, even if they are blond."

[mspanky]

  Turniptruck,

 It depends on how you define prostitution. You and I probably define it the same way. But some women may define sleeping with a husband they don't love or find attractive as a form of prostitution because she needs to be it that situation in order to be her life. She may not view showing her body for money as an act of prostitution, but rather just a means to make money like a regular job.

  I once went to nude beach and could not figure out why European society views nudity as completely normal, while Americans view it as something bad that needs to be kept hush hush. Nudity is great if you are comfortable enough in your skin to flaunt it,it is very different from prostitution.