RW what do you think of this guy??

[Doll]

And now please tell us your "common sense" .. If I apply for a Russian passport, following residency, etc., in Siberia am I Russian  ?

I give 90% that Ed had the candidacy of John as an American citizen. Ed knows what he is doing.
My email is *****@mail.ru
Another is ******@aol.com

[Doll]

2/ Are you wise to divulge the location of a REAL email address .. ever heard of pm ?

Are you capable of reading , not only writning?  :selfharm:

[Misha]

2/ He talks with a STRONG Irish brogue (accent )
3/ I will pm you with his email address - which is Irish..( ends in .ie )

I am so used to speaking Russian, that I often unconsciously throw in Russian words when speaking English, and I likely have a bit of a Russian accent by now, does that make me Russian?

I use a mail.ru address to write some of my friends because a lot of Canadian server's automatically reject any e-mail coming from a .ru account. Does that make me Russian?

[msmoby_ru]

I am so used to speaking Russian, that I often unconsciously throw in Russian words when speaking English, and I likely have a bit of a Russian accent by now, does that make me Russian?

Hi Misha

If I speak Russian - even if gramatically correct- BELIEVE me a Russian will know I'm not Russian..  my FSU, wife, friends and colleagues have a good laugh at my accent - esp. when animated- and say I speak Russian with a Georgian accent..

John speaks with an Irish accent - period.

I use a mail.ru address to write some of my friends because a lot of Canadian server's automatically reject any e-mail coming from a .ru account. Does that make me Russian?

No it means you need to have words with your provider, or change.. which you did..

I hardly think John would CHOOSE a .ie domained email addy, because .com addys are being blocked.... 


AND..

The most important thing  - HE SAYS he is Irish.

[Misha]

On a final note, I asked Ed a few days ago whether John is American or Irish. This is what Ed told me: John was born in the United States and at the age of 5 he went to live with his parents in Ireland. A few years ago, he returned to live in the United States. By birth then, he would be an American citizen. You can continue debating whether he is "truly" American.

[Gator]

What a strange thread.  My thoughts:

-   Regarding John – no two of us are the same; there is someone for everyone.  At least John made the trip to search for a woman of his dreams.

-   Would those of you who wrote disparaging remarks about John say the same to his face?

-   John looks Irish and could be Irish, yet he surely worked in England or the US because: a) he can pronounce “th” and b) his use of the F-word is minimal compared to an Irishman who has never left Erin.

[msmoby_ru]

Are you capable of reading , not only writning?  :selfharm:

Hmm, could you please tell me where I revealed someones REAL email address without their permission  !?

[msmoby_ru]

On a final note, I asked Ed a few days ago whether John is American or Irish. This is what Ed told me: John was born in the United States and at the age of 5 he went to live with his parents in Ireland. A few years ago, he returned to live in the United States. By birth then, he would be an American citizen. You can continue debating whether he is "truly" American.

Dear Misha

My kids were born in England, and they have UK passports, but they can have Irish ones ( if they so choose) - no bother - John says he is Irish.. Should we listen to Ed or John?

Yes, this is getting silly... so we need to remember what fired all this off...  "John is a typical american man".....

Only John can truly tell us what he is, and we've heard it twice.

If John lived in Ireland for so long, officially as a US citizen, he would need residency permission to remain and work ... so odds on he's got Irish Nationality.

[May First]

Well, as far as I know it's extremely difficult for a person on GC to bring a spouse to US on K1/K3 visa.   So yes, it was my assumption that John is a US passport holder.   No solid proof.   Of course, we can send him an e-mail and ask directly - his address is on Ed's website.   

No not difficult- impossible
There no fiancée visa for green card holders.
Only spousal visa and weighting time is 10 years.

It is much faster to get the citizenship and than bring your spouse (that is off topic…)

Bottom line, no foreign brides for green card holders.

[SANDRO43]

Travelling in the British isles is amazing.. every 50 miles a new accent is encountered...

This applies to any country/language, here the range is shorter (15 Km or so) and my father used to tell me that when Milan was inhabited almost exclusively by Milanese (before WWII), he could tell the borough of residence of someone simply by his/her slightly different pronunciation of our dialect .

[Lily]

-   Would those of you who wrote disparaging remarks about John say the same to his face?

 

Perhaps I'd be willing to tell him my comments. He is free not to listen I am not a style expert, however, and I realize that it would take lots of time and patience to John. But it it really sad that good natural assets get vanished.

[Misha]

My kids were born in England, and they have UK passports, but they can have Irish ones ( if they so choose) - no bother - John says he is Irish.. Should we listen to Ed or John?

Yes, this is getting silly... so we need to remember what fired all this off...  "John is a typical american man".....

Well, on St. Patrick's Day, I am sure many Americans will say they are Irish  Again, identity is flexible: in some situations a person will say they are X (Irish, for example) and in others they will say they are something else (American).

As for the comment "John is a typical american man," the fact that he spent most of his life in Ireland and speaks with a bit of an accent does not invalidate the comment. What is means is that from the perspective of a Russian woman living in the United States with an American husband, John appears to her a typical American man. That is to say, if she were to meet him in Georgia, she would never doubt that he is American.

[groovlstk]

Is there an emoticon expressing how useless this thread has become?

How's this?
 

Or this?
 :noidea:

Maybe this?
 :ohbrother:

[msmoby_ru]

Well, on St. Patrick's Day, I am sure many Americans will say they are Irish 

Tell us about it..it's quite amusing.. When *really* pushed they may have had a Great-Great, Grandad that was Irish !

As for the comment "John is a typical American man," the fact that he spent most of his life in Ireland and speaks with a bit of an accent does not invalidate the comment.

Sorry, Misha, but his brogue "is not a bit of an accent".. and I don't think there is a "typical" American / Englishman.. 

[/quote]

What is means is that from the perspective of a Russian woman living in the United States with an American husband, John appears to her a typical American man. That is to say, if she were to meet him in Georgia, she would never doubt that he is American.

Ok Misha, I beg to differ.. I think he looks Irish !! I live on an island in the Med, where there are folks of Turkish/ Greek/ British /Arabic / ( and now Polish / Romanian / Bulgarian) / as well as FSU lineage and somehow FSU women can pick out another of their type and speak in Russian KNOWING they will get a reply... they are rarely wrong..

Strange then, that some of them are so FAR off the mark with John !!

If someone's in communication with Ed,  it would be great if he could persuade John to come on here...

[Simoni]

What a strange thread.  My thoughts:

-   Regarding John – no two of us are the same; there is someone for everyone.  At least John made the trip to search for a woman of his dreams.

-   Would those of you who wrote disparaging remarks about John say the same to his face?

-   John looks Irish and could be Irish, yet he surely worked in England or the US because: a) he can pronounce “th” and b) his use of the F-word is minimal compared to an Irishman who has never left Erin.

Good post, Bucky.

Yeah, John did do something most don't--he made the trip.  Personally, I find the attacks on him disgusting.  Too fat, some say?  That makes him a loser?  I saw Karl Rove on Meet the Press Sunday.  He carries about the same extra few pounds as does Mark?  Is he a loser?  No--Rove is a brilliant political operative and the extra pounds do not hinder him.

And yeah, I DO iron my pants while wearing my underwear.  Hey-- I thought it was manly! :-) LOL 
Plus, if I don't slide those pants on within seconds of ironing, they will get wrinkled.

For the record, John is a US citizen.  He moved to Ireland when he was five, and moved back to the US three years ago.  He holds duo citizenship.

And in terms of the attacks because he used an interperter, I think that is a smart move if you want to broaden your search to include girls with little or no English.  In that case, the "vetting" of a dating pool and the professional terping is a good idea.

Just my two cents worth...

[Admin]

Good post, Bucky.

Yeah, John did do something most don't--he made the trip.  Personally, I find the attacks on him disgusting.  Too fat, some say?  That makes him a loser?  I saw Karl Rove on Meet the Press Sunday.  He carries about the same extra few pounds as does Mark?  Is he a loser?  No--Rove is a brilliant political operative and the extra pounds do not hinder him.

And yeah, I DO iron my pants while wearing my underwear.  Hey-- I thought it was manly! :-) LOL 
Plus, if I don't slide those pants on within seconds of ironing, they will get wrinkled.

For the record, John is a US citizen.  He moved to Ireland when he was five, and moved back to the US three years ago.  He holds duo citizenship.

And in terms of the attacks because he used an interperter, I think that is a smart move if you want to broaden your search to include girls with little or no English.  In that case, the "vetting" of a dating pool and the professional terping is a good idea.

Just my two cents worth...

Agree that it was good he made the trip.

I did not actually view the videos - but understand they were posted on YouTube. Correct?

I further understand they were used by Eduard, and are promoted by Eduard at his site, for commercial purposes. Also correct?

If (underscore IF) that is correct, my 'take' on those people who post videos at YouTube is they *want* public viewing - otherwise, why post the video in the public domain. With that comes the inevitable review, and in some cases scrutiny, of the YouTube videos and the actors in those videos. I guess this raises the question (perhaps already explored upthread) about whether the girls in the video were aware of the intended use of the video, and agreed?

As for use of an interpreter - that is only one way to broaden one's available pool. Assuming one wishes to broaden their search from only English-speaking RW, I prefer the approach of learning some Russian language. It separates the men from the boys (so to speak), in that it delineates those who are really serious from those who dabble.

Having said THAT, there are a few dabblers (by the above definition) who have ended up with successful marriages - admittedly.

Of course, I may be wrong. That is just my 'take' on things.

FWIW

- Dan

[Simoni]

As for use of an interpreter - that is only one way to broaden one's available pool. Assuming one wishes to broaden their search from only English-speaking RW, I prefer the approach of learning some Russian language. It separates the men from the boys (so to speak), in that it delineates those who are really serious from those who dabble.

I agree; it is only one way. However....

As a linguist, I can share that becoming fluent in a foreign language such as Russian is a very complex task--one that is out of the reach of most language learners.   I personally have studied Russian for years, and have only a minimum competency.  So no, I can't agree that "learning some Russian language" separates "the men from the boys."  Learning some is great, and the man should. But that is quite different than having serious discussions with a lady.  Interpreters are needed for that, IMHO.

[Admin]

I agree; it is only one way. However....

As a linguist, I can share that becoming fluent in a foreign language such as Russian is a very complex task--one that is out of the reach of most language learners.   I personally have studied Russian for years, and have only a minimum competency.  So no, I can't agree that "learning some Russian language" separates "the men from the boys."  Learning some is great, and the man should. But that is quite different than having serious discussions with a lady.  Interpreters are needed for that, IMHO.

Some of the most productive and intimate conversations I have held in my life, were those in which Olya and I struggled through the language barriers on important topics. Because we each were VERY concerned that we got it 'right', we were intensely careful and deliberate about those communications. My Russian, while passable, is VERY far from fluent - and her English was almost non-existent - yet we managed - and I would not trade a moment of that time and that experience.

This, from a simply layperson - NOT a linguist - perspective.

Again FWIW

- Dan

[Doll]

msmoby_ru , I agree to pay you a double if you drop this "Irish" subject.
Want $30? Even though you are a loser
 

[Doll]

There is same discussion on a Russian board and women now are b-tching the way the girls in Moscow are dressed 

[Simoni]

Some of the most productive and intimate conversations I have held in my life, were those in which Olya and I struggled through the language barriers on important topics. Because we each were VERY concerned that we got it 'right', we were intensely careful and deliberate about those communications. My Russian, while passable, is VERY far from fluent - and her English was almost non-existent - yet we managed - and I would not trade a moment of that time and that experience.

This, from a simply layperson - NOT a linguist - perspective.

Again FWIW

- Dan

You make a good argument for why it is ok to marry a girl with minimum English.   I don't advise that and am playing the devil's advocate here, but cases like yours and Leslie's cases demonstrate that there are many different ways to success.

~Simoni

[BC]

  Personally, I find the attacks on him disgusting.  Too fat, some say?  That makes him a loser?  I saw Karl Rove on Meet the Press Sunday.  He carries about the same extra few pounds as does Mark?  Is he a loser?  No--Rove is a brilliant political operative and the extra pounds do not hinder him.

I just briefly skimmed this thread and wasn't able to find much in the way of personal attacks..

But then again I don't have a video somewhere on the net..  I've seen much worse... I guess there may be some that do and don't like my belly, just like I've seen women here rated by some number system.

Whatever... folks just blasting hot air.

How cops fit into this deal I dunno...

[Doll]

How cops fit into this deal I dunno...

 

[KenC]

Good post, Bucky.

Yeah, John did do something most don't--he made the trip.  Personally, I find the attacks on him disgusting. 

Simoni,
Most of the posts here were rather mild in criticising John, not all, but most.  Anyone who agrees to be used in the manner that Eduard used John, should expect some negative feedback IMO.  I know my posts have taken the "not as I would do things" approach.  IMO, Ed used John as his "poster child" specifically because John was not a slick woman's man.  If anyone defamed John, it was Ed.  It was like "if this dufus can do it, anyone can!"

BTW, do you know if John ever found a woman?
KenC

[Simoni]

Actually I had taken a step back and was looking at the big picture.

John is not a participant in this discussion and is thus not taking criticism.   Personally, I see nothing wrong with John and can't agree with those those belittled him.

My comments were directed at how quick people are to criticize language, accent, dress, etc.  It seems if they are not like us, then something is wrong with them.  So no, he is not a "dufus."

It is akin to the current political situation in America, where Hillary is quick to recruit slow speaking, uneducated, gun-toting Southerners to her campaign.  But who is too say the "elite" are better than such people?   Not me.