Walking in St. Petersburg

[Jack]

Well Dan, Elen is quite right. To be able to visit the Hermitage, Peterhoff, is a dream come true for many people.

[Bruno]

Well Dan, Elen is quite right. To be able to visit the Hermitage, Peterhoff, is a dream come true for many people.

Fully agree with Jack... in July 2003, i have visit St Peterburg... it was during the festivity for the birthday of the city... really beautifull city... i find the old city of the tsar more beautiful that Moscow... This is true only for people who love very old building... When you visit the palais, it is like Versaille in France... only the park and palais are in very good staste in Russia, great work of restauration... certainly a lot of money used...

About ladies, hurry up... in some time, they will be like on the photo below :



 

[Elen]

Well Dan, Elen is quite right. To be able to visit the Hermitage, Peterhoff, is a dream come true for many people

Yeah, yeah! Hermitage and Peterhoff, indeed. I see .

( I just didn't know what part of females' bodies were called Hermitage and Peterhoff )

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[Turboguy]

I laughed at that but I never thought of parts of a womans body as Hermitage and Peterhoff, etc,  I thought of them more like St Basils, St Johns, and the names of other churches because guys seem to worship them so much. 

[catzenmouse]

There certainly is some nice .... scenery here. St. Petersburg is at the top of my list of cities to see when I can. I saw a lot of similar scenery when I was in Omsk and I'm sure that any city in the FSU has quite a bit of the same.

Ken

[Turboguy]

Ken, I have been to Omsk and I have been to St Petersburg.   I enjoyed them both, but there is no comparison.   St Petersburg is a very beatiful and interesting city.

[Jet]

There certainly is some nice .... scenery here. St. Petersburg is at the top of my list of cities to see when I can. I saw a lot of similar scenery when I was in Omsk and I'm sure that any city in the FSU has quite a bit of the same.

Ken

 

When the camera is pointing at 18-22 yr olds, any city in the world has quite a bit of the same

[jb]

Jet,

Hummm,,, you noticed that too....

[Jack]

jb, I expected such an idiotic statement from jet, which of course wouldn't even require a reply and didn't, but from you jb?
 
ok, jb let me see if I understand your statement correctly. Are you trying to say that you will see such a high percentage of beautiful, trim, intelligent women of culture and class in Jackson Mississippi, Tulsa, Billings Montana, Portland, Santa Cruz Bolivia, Harare Zambia? You really think any city in the world has the same high percentage of such really beautiful and fit women as what we see in the FSU? 

[jb]

Actually, Jack, I was thinking more in terms of Dallas, Atlanta, Denver, Kansas City, and especially Houston.  The gals in the 18-20's something are everywhere. Of course the problem is they won't give a fat balding guy 20+ years her senior the time of day.

[BC]

They're crawling out of every nook and cranny this time of year here. Some really cute AW tourists too having fun with the Italian guys.. wonder why they came alone :D

[Jack]

I agree jb in that 'some' of the bigger cities will have some attractive ladies such as we see in the fsu, but all cities of the world as jet claimed?  I hardly think so.

And just for the sake of you and I having a friendly disagreement that helps to educate the new guys, and that's what happens when we disagree jb, we educate a lot of new guys. jb, having lived in Atlanta for several years, as well as Dallas, being born in LA with many visits their, an occasional visit to the Big Apple and the windy city, their is, in my opinion, no city in America that comes close to the high percentage of stunningly beautiful fit women we see in the FSU.  New York City might be the closest thing we have, but you also have so many really unfit overweight ugly young women as well and this we do not see nearly as high a percentage of in the FSU.

[jb]

but you also have so many really unfit overweight ugly young women as well and this we do not see nearly as high a percentage of in the FSU.

There's a reason for that, Jack.  Americans drive everywhere, Russians walk.  Walking burns calories, driving does not.  Americans eat fast food by the ton, Russians eat more healthy.  American women are brainwashed to believe that looks don't count, Russian women still like to look nice whenever they leave the house.  It's a cultural thing that I find attractive, I believe many other men do as well.

While I enjoyed oogling the pictures of your St Pete and Kiev ladies, I also know that it's to your advantage, as an agency owner, to display the merchandise whenever, however, and wherever you can.  But the inferrence to men reading the forums is that those same girls are available for them to meet.  You and I both know that probably none of the girls pictured are listed with a MOB agency, it looks to me as though you spent a random hour in a sidewalk cafe and had some fun with your new camera.  A MOB agency owner posting photos gathered in such a manner is not really what I'd call "Truth In Advertising".

I could be wrong, but that's my impression.  I've also spent a few lunch hours in sidewalk cafes.

[Michelangelo]

but you also have so many really unfit overweight ugly young women as well and this we do not see nearly as high a percentage of in the FSU.

But the inferrence to men reading the forums is that those same girls are available for them to meet. You and I both know that probably none of the girls pictured are listed with a MOB agency...[/quote]
Wrong, JB.  I spent two weeks in marriage agencies in different cities in Ukraine.  And dozens of girls that looked just like these made their way into the office to write letters to guys.  The girls were amazingly beautiful.  

So, the  "probably none of the girls pictured are listed with a MOB agency" portion of the quote is off, according to my experience.  Jack is right on this count...

But you are correct in an earlier post where you state that these girls prepare themselves when they go out in public, with makeup and dress...

 

[Jack]

jb, when clients stop and talk to these beautiful women they see on the streets, one out of every 4.5 attempts information is exchanged or a meeting is set. Anono found this hard to believe himself so one day last fall when we had a few hours I said let me prove it to you Anono. This is what you do and say. Over the next two hours Anono saw 13 or 14 absolutely stunning women walk by while we were sitting at an outside cafe. Anono got dates or exchanged information (such as phone numbers) with four of these stunning beauties.

I didn't just make this number up out of the clear blue sky jb, I have seen this develop over years, I did it myself in the late 90's and had about the same percentage, 1 out of every 4.5 ladies I would stop and talk to on the streets I could arrange a date with. And jb, the type ladies I take photos of are pretty much the same type ladies I might try to meet. At first most men are intimidated at the beauty of these ladies but once they can stop and talk to the first one and the second and third one, it get;s easier. As in almost everything involved towards the pursuit for a good Russian woman, it is a numbers game.

So when I read where you or someone wants to say that guys cannot meet or get these type women, I just laugh and shake my head.

[jb]

My point, Michael, is that you can't sit in a cafe for an hour and photograph any given pretty girl walking down the street and assume she's available through a MOB agency.

That's just plain ludicrous.

[jb]

Jack, you don't have to convince me.  I spent months in the FSU, before my wife and I came to an arrangement, and met lots of women just by making eye contact and giving them a smile.  The usual comment was that I spoke Russian with "the cutest accent",,, so I know it can be done on the fly.  Just don't go out and photograph random girls and presume they are available.

[Bruce]

The USA - the big problem throughout our country, and more and more within the FSU,  is so many obese women at such young ages that even alot of the 18 - 25 ordinarily "hot" women are strapped with cellulite.  That and the attitude born from the feminist movement of the 1960's is now obviously taking its toll.  The protesters of that era seem to have gotten everything they asked for.  Look what our country has reaped.  Right now California, Texas and soon other States throughout the country have minority white populations:

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20050811/D8BTJN0O0.html

I've seen lots of beautiful young white American girls thoughout the country.  I was particularly impressed with Dallas last time I visited there, but Southern California, Florida and most of the USA has beautiful girls, especially when they are young. 

In NYC, especially Manhattan there are alot of pretty white women from all over the world, mostly aspiring actresses, models - who end up with jobs throughout the fashion industry, waiting tables in restaurants, teaching exercise, dance and yoga classes - until they get their big break on stage, which rarely happens.  Alot of these girls end up back in their home towns throughout the country by about 30 having lost their luster.  The problem with the NYC, especially the Manhattan girl as well as transplant staying in the NYC region for a while is similar to what is occurring throughout the country ie. the girls want to establish their careers.  Soon they hit 30 having gone from post-college until 30 without any desire to marry.   At 30 they start looking but are looking for a guy a bit younger than them or about their own age - which just is not happening because they lost their most attractive years.  Yet, their self-confidence is so high...........no man is good enough for them.  They watch the reality TV shows, see what "celebrities" are doing in their "personal' lives and use the likes of Madonna as their life models.   The values just are not there - and that is the basic problem. 

The 35 year old guy for a 30 year old (becomming fat or already chunky) well educated increasingly "bitchy" American woman just does not cut it. 

By 35 these American women usually are stepping down the slippery slope of their looks.   Things are starting to snag, wrinkles are becomming prominent, all the days lying in the sun are taking their toll.   The weight just does not come off - and all the younger girls around them...............so they become increasingly desperate.  Yet, they still think they can get a "professional" white guy with a full head of hair, tall, good looking etc. from 33 to 38 (now a three year age difference is acceptable to them).  Just not happening...................

By 40 many are desperate for a child, all the "good" men are taken.   In fact - men are just pigs etc. to them.  So, they get a test tube baby or find whatever man they can get etc.  Inter-racial, guys with questionable careers etc. are now in their sights.

At least we are and were smart enough to go to the FSU to increase our chances.  What is the future for the USA?  Hedge your bets, because our country is looking more like Brazil than 1950 America.

[jb]

The problem for these women you speak of, Bruce, is the competition, somebody, another girl, is turning 18 everyday.

You gotta laugh at them.

[Jack]

jb, is it a problem to say or suggest that one out of every 4.5 ladies are potentially available on average?

"Who" do you know who is suggesting all these ladies are available? I have stated for several years now about our percentages. No where have I stated or tried to mislead anyone by suggessting all these fine ladies are available.

[jb]

No, Jack, it is not problematic to suggest that 20% of the single women encountered on any street of any Russian city on any given day at any given hour might be inclined to be wooed and courted.  That's the nature of the beast. They like that sort of stuff.

The problem lies in getting her to accept the notion of leaving hearth and home to move to a foreign land on the basis of a one week romance.  I think that's where your statistics go downhill.  As I said, I met lots of ladies when I was traveling in the FSU, but only a handful ever gave leaving Russia more than a passing thought.  It just never entered their minds.

[Jack]

jb, I think that somewhere between 75 to 80% of all Russian women have never thought seriously about leaving Russia. Would you agree?

[BC]

I think 99% would never leave if they had good economic possibilities.

[Bruce]

At least some of the things I think we all will agree on is that St. Petersburg is a beautiful city with alot of intersting and beautiful things (people, architecture and museums) to see. 

[jb]

jb, I think that somewhere between 75 to 80% of all Russian women have never thought seriously about leaving Russia. Would you agree?

Whole heartedly.  It takes a very special mentality to uproot your life and head out into the unknown.  The American pioneers did it, but they were a very special breed.  God doesn't make many like that anymore.  That's one reason I caution men to examine the motives of FSU women who are so willing to "fall in love" so quickly, and leave their friends and families.  I have to ask; "what are they running from so far and so fast"?  Many of these women have something in their past they want to leave behind.  A lot of times it may be an abusive ex-husband, or a bad family life, being sick of ultra-crowded living conditions, and in the extreme, it may be a life of prostitution.  There's always a reason,,, guys need to get it figured out before they pull the trigger.