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Author Topic: "American Tears of Russian Wifes" (2006)  (Read 11397 times)

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Offline Misha

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Re: "American Tears of Russian Wifes" (2006)
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2008, 07:00:17 AM »
My wife and I watched it last night. If I were to use this documentary to understand the "average" man seeking a Russian wife, I would have to conclude that:

  • He is an asocial loser;
  • He is impotent and cannot sexually satisfy a woman;
  • He has lots of tattoos;
  • He shops for women and will likely check her teeth to see if they are in good shape as he can't afford a dentist;
  • He has a bad job, if he has a job;
  • He lives in a really grungy apartment next to the train tracks or a trailer deep in the country, where it always rains, and looks as if it was taken out of a horror film ;
  • He is a man that no American woman in her right mind would ever want to date;
  • He is old and ugly;
  • He is mentally unfit given that he was looking for love online;
  • And, worst of all, you have to be careful to make sure that he does not murder you.

The only positive case was at the very end in the last few minutes, but by then you still suspected that there was something wrong with the husband given the impression that had been created over the first 49 minutes.

« Last Edit: June 01, 2008, 07:02:46 AM by Misha »

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Re: "American Tears of Russian Wifes" (2006)
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2008, 01:35:43 PM »
Dan
i think you are looking for an agenda to the film.

It looks straight foward to me..

it was made to sell and be viewed.

many people,enjoy watching and commenting on the misery of others.
probably no culture more so than the FSU.
National enquirior  style tabliods or films would do well there?
so it is a more a question of why not make such a documentary, rather than why not?

it does portray some sad realities..
the fact someone took a minority of events and sensationalized them ..
seems pretty common place?

then ad in that its developed for russian TV?
and that Russia is one of the only developed countries losing population,
and in the world context,its at an alarming rate..

*shrugs*

The producers have a target market, and it isnt the Lilys of the world.
She has an open mind and real world experience in other countries.

Imagine the impact this would have on the infamous *babushka network*
 gossiping in the  peo'dest?

Sad to say ,but my MIL could easily fall trap to this style program and
weven after al these years could  call and ask my wife if she is actually ok?
did she? no,,but she likely dint see the program!
as you know many people in the FSU believe any rumor,particularly about the USA ,
no matter how outlandish from the street ,and take it as complete fact.
Now if it came in the form of a TV documentary?
lol

the target audience it was intended for..is likely a majority one..

producer is simply shrewd business man,right product for the right market.
the deeper agenda is debatable?




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Re: "American Tears of Russian Wifes" (2006)
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 10:45:19 PM »
I saw the documentary one year before I met my American husband  :) and watched it not long time ago again, and again I have found the documentary to be very useful.

In one of his interviews, the director of the documentary Michael Fainstein said that the documentary is not about how the international internet dating bad, working in US during 15 years, he saw many happily marred international couples, but he thinks that internet dating is absurd...

Honestly, I agree with him it is really absurd, and before to "jump" into this absurd you should be in your right mind:)

Dating and marriage agencies usually don't talk about other side of their business, they don't write on their websites stories with bad ends, they don't warn the women that among their clients more than enough men with psychological problems, liars and just simply kinks, and that it is very difficult to check everyone, and by the way they officially have started to warn men about women-scammers not so long time ago as well.

There are thousands of  women who think as two girls in the documentary, who wants to marry American man just because he is American, in the Internet. Reading the stories about successful marriage and watching American serials they dream about easy rich life in America with the wonderful American husbands who  put them on the pedestal as many dating agencies and websites promise, and they think if somebody is happily married, they also can do it without any difficulties and efforts, just because they also have the beautiful eyes.   

Mother of the killed young woman Anastasia said in the documentary: "We are people who know nothing about life. We think that there, beyond the ocean, everything is not like here, everything is much better" Wishing the best life for her daughter,  mother being under her delusion  indirectly pushed her daughter to the tragedy. May be if the mother saw a documentary that would be similar to "American tears of Russian wives" she would be more careful with her own fantasies and her daughter would not be killed. 

Many women going to marry a foreign man and live with him in a foreign country just simply are not ready for it.

It is said in the documentary there is no need to go to America to be abused, there are thousands and thousands cases of domestic violence in Russia, but when you are in a strange country and don't know laws, where and whom to ask for help, more over you can not speak any foreign language it will be more difficult to protect yourself. 

After watching the documentary I did not have any thoughts to stereotype neither men nor women, it would be too easy, to superficial and also to stereotypical way, I just thought the psychopaths and kinks exist everywhere, in any country, unfortunately. Sometimes it is so difficult to recognize them in your own country even if  you speak same language, needless to say about the foreign kinks.

Please, guys, don't say that you have never met such men with the strange ideas, conceptions and so on who are looking for a Russian wife.

When you want to highlight a problem you will make accent on the problem, and Michael Fainshtein  made the accent on the unsuccessful stories, but it doesn't mean he stereotyped all American men who are looking for a wife in Russia.

An attorney of the killed girl's family made a supposition: "may be these men, who seek a wife through the catalogs, have some problems...", honestly I hope his "may be" will save some women who are not able to think, but only stereotype, from the fatal mistakes.

At the end of the documentary Michael Fainshtein showed a nice American-Russian couple - Fred and Tatiana.

Fred said  that some Russian women think that if they will not like their American husbands they just can leave them and find somebody else in America, more important is to come to America and stay. Some American men think that if they will not like their Russian wives they just simply can send them back to Russia, but the reality shows that everything is not so simple as all these men and women think. He also said that the most biggest mistake of some American men is their desire to incarnate their fantasy and delusions about Russian women thinking that all Russian women are submissive housewives.

Also Fred advise men who are serious about finding Russian wife to spend more time in Russia, and   men should understand that they take a great responsibility when they bring their Russian wives to live in strange for Russian women country.

How to find your foreign soul mate, who understand what responsibility is? How to avoid all these  psychopaths who are hiding behind photos and charming letters? How men can avoid a fraud and not to be scammed?

Just forget about your delusions, live in the real world, learn as much as possible about a foreign real world that also has its own good and bad sides, and you have all the chances to minimize the risk and avoid mistakes and prevent unpleasant situations. Be ready, be in your right mind and the absurd of the international dating through the internet will show you where is your happiness is  ;)

That were my thoughts after watching the documentary "American tears of Russian wives"   
« Last Edit: June 03, 2008, 11:32:30 PM by OlgaH »

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Re: "American Tears of Russian Wifes" (2006)
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2008, 10:59:35 PM »
I haven't watched this movie but after reading a lot of MOB forums I can tell that there are quite a few  very unhappy stories told about American tears of Russian wives.   Of course, I'm sure there are quite a few happy stories as well, but they don't sell as much as disasters.   ;)

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Re: "American Tears of Russian Wifes" (2006)
« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2008, 04:24:26 PM »
I would strongly agree with others that have stated there is very likely tacit, if not active, government support for this initiative. The last time I read anything about it, the Russian birthrate (and I mean real Russians, not Asiatics or Muslims - I hope no offense to anyone) had dropped to 1.4 per couple. That is certain extinction. Biologically, it requires a birthrate of 2.1/couple to break even. Actually, according to a UN study from 2005, for all the people in the world of Caucasian Race (mostly European and North American) the birthrate is about 1.7, so as a whole, we are a race on a race to extinction. The other side is of course media sensationalization and the need to create shocking stories to sell stories. Otherwise, you are ignored in a media saturated world. From my Russian inlaws, I have the impression that domestic abuse is far more common in Russian than it is here, whether AM/AW or AM/RW marriage or not. But that's not exciting controversial news.

I would disagree with the lady (I think Olga?) that said she thinks internet dating is absurd. Before I started dating my RW (who I met via the internet), I found and dated AW via internet as well. Given my busy workschedule and that fact that I refuse to hang around bars or museums just "hoping" to meet someone, I found the abiliity to meet ladies by internet first as a great benefit in the busy complicated modern world. We could decide so many things in advance: do we find each other attractive? Do we have common interests? Are we each looking for LTR? You could go to a bar (which I did not have time to do), see 50 women, and not one of them, even if you got a chance to talk to them, is: single, looking, attracted to you, attractive to you, doesn't have a boyfriend, etc etc., if you see what I mean. I think  G*d for the internet and the ability it gave me to find my RW. We've been married 5 years now, and we are deliriously happy. There's just nothing like it! :)

 

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