Positive Advice For Newbies

[Admin]

:truce:Dan~ this thread is *suppose* to be about POSITIVE advice for newbies.  It has long since been sabotaged by negative posts.

I did not mean to derail it further by wondering about the poster calling himself Bob Jones and noting he used the same name as what many consider a bigoted university.

Please just delete these posts, or start a new thread on BJU.   

Well, OK...... but, BTW, do we have a RWD member called "Bob Jones" ?

- Dan

[Doll]

No, Eduard,
I refuse to debate such nonsense with you.

Have a nice day.
KenC

Well, Ken, it can't be nonsense if so many people agree with Ed.
You didn't answer his questions.
Travel challenges and emotional something doesn't count since we talk of specifically Russian wives.
I agree with Ed 100%.

[Simoni]

Well, OK...... but, BTW, do we have a RWD member called "Bob Jones" ?

- Dan

My bad.   I was writing from memory and got the jones' and smiths' mixed up.  Thus, it was not Bob Jones, but Bob Smith.  Even more reason to delete these posts.

[KenC]

Well, Ken, it can't be nonsense if so many people agree with Ed.
You didn't answer his questions.
Travel challenges and emotional something doesn't count since we talk of specifically Russian wives.
I agree with Ed 100%.

Doll,
So many agree with him? :selfharm:

Did I miss something?  Or did you, again?

And my Dear, you have to include travel because the women live on the other side of the world!
KenC

[Doll]

Doll,
So many agree with him? :selfharm:

Did I miss something?  Or did you, again?

And my Dear, you have to include travel because the women live on the other side of the world!
KenC

:evil:

[KenC]

If someone wants to find out why they need my services and how they can benefit from them, they can email me privately. I'm not going to discuss that here. In this thread I'm only expressing my opinion about my own experience of finding and marrying a RW. My personal experience was fun, educational and overall very positive with great results.
I wish you the same, maybe then you'll chill out a bit. As far as betting that I use some scare tactic to attract clients, don't. Why not ask Catman why he decided to use me if you are so interested?

Great non answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Since when did you ever overlook an opportunity to blow your own horn?  (Oh, maybe when it will be in direct conflict of your last post?)
KenC

[Doll]

Guys you are killing me!
What my husband did ( 6+years ago) went on line on a FREE dating site, emailed a couple of women. I was on line while he was doing it so I replied right away. He called, we talked. Weeks later he (himself!) got a visa, bought tickets, booked the hotel and got on the plane. Nobody else was involved. Is he crazy?
He did have a tiny doubt if I would meet him (because before he came he went on board like this  ) but he was going then to just enjoy his vacations.
Is he crazy?
This is what comes to travelling. What are you scared of?
It does sound like offense, I agree with Ed.

[BC]

Well, OK...... but, BTW, do we have a RWD member called "Bob Jones" ?

- Dan

My bad.   I was writing from memory and got the jones' and smiths' mixed up.  Thus, it was not Bob Jones, but Bob Smith.  Even more reason to delete these posts.

BSU does sound a bit more appropriate.

 :hipdude:

[Catman]

I'm very happy with Eds services There is no way that I could have found such nice girls on my own. One is an engineer, very decent girl who has a very good job, great family life and overall great life. Another is a translator of documents, speaks perfect English and at one time worked for an agency translating which was a good an honest job until that became tainted with liars and cheaters(her words). Another girl is an anasthesiologist in surgery who also goes to university. There are more girls I am writing who have good jobs and all are very beautiful and the one thing I have found in common with all of them is that they are all hard working and the farthest thing from lazy. They are not talking about riding unicorns through fields of flowers to meet her prince floating in on a cloud from heaven, these girls are very realistic. Another thing I have noticed is that they are not night club girls or party girls. Those party girls I can have here and am tired of them.
Travel challenges, emotional challenges and money challenges? If you are not MAN enough to face these then stay home.

[Eduard]

No, Eduard,
I refuse to debate such nonsense with you.

Have a nice day.
KenC

Great non answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   
Since when did you ever overlook an opportunity to blow your own horn?  (Oh, maybe when it will be in direct conflict of your last post?)
Eduard

[KenC]

I have been very consistant in my posting here and I have no services to hawk as you do.  I also answered your questions, you just didn't like the answers.

Why don't you answer Kuna's question?  If there are no risks, then why are your services needed?
KenC

[catzenmouse]

There is no way that I could have found such nice girls on my own. One is an engineer, very decent girl who has a very good job, great family life and overall great life. Another is a translator of documents, speaks perfect English and at one time worked for an agency translating which was a good an honest job until that became tainted with liars and cheaters(her words). Another girl is an anasthesiologist in surgery who also goes to university.

This one perplexes me a bit. How do you know you you could not have found these women on your own? Did you try to and failed? Did you go to the FSU and just meet folks locally? Place ads in local newspapers? Use the free sites? Or are you only referencing your experiences with agencies?

Ken

[BC]

KenC,

Did you ever pay to have someone set up a meeting with a woman with the desired result of marriage?

Football may not be football depending on which side of the Atlantic one stands...

Obviously you (and I) are standing in a different ballpark than Ed.

We're munching on chicken wings and ribs and the hotdog hawker is not going to get our business.

One thing is sure.. Ed could communicate with his wife.

One of the first questions I ask when an insurance salesman knocks on the door is 'show me your policy'..  Most don't even have one themselves.

The fact that Ed promotes use of interpreters/guides seems quite puzzling based on his own experience.

oh well....


  

[turniptruck]

Do any of those who think that Ed is behaving badly, like the trifecta that is occurring in the Trip reports?

Seems to me they had a 'guide'.

[ScottinCrimea]

Travel challenges, emotional challenges and money challenges? If you are not MAN enough to face these then stay home.

Why stay home when you can hire someone like Ed to handle all of these challenges for you?   :ohbrother:

[KenC]

Travel challenges, emotional challenges and money challenges? If you are not MAN enough to face these then stay home.

Kind of curious words coming from a guy paying another man to hold his hand over there!
 
KenC

[Catman]

I started my search 2 years ago with agencies, personal ads, free ads, been there twice and whatever. I'm sure there are honest agencies out there but I didn't strike on one. How many agencies are there in total? How many are honest? I don't know but it didn't work for me. KenC went to an agency and it worked for him. That's great! Did you pay for those services KenC? In your trip report I recall reading that you had a friend in Tver. Must have been a big help. I value my time, cooking and house work is hell and I work a lot. Ed is saving me valuable time looking for me. The local Russian sites are not bombarded with AM so competition is down. Ed does a great job of interpreting. I speak a lot of Ukrainian and understand some Russian. With one girl communication is direct after one interpreted letter and after the second letter we talk on the phone. If Ed was not doing a good job then I would be bashing him here like some others. I don't understand the Ed bashing. I am communicating with 5 beautiful girls and we have many things in common.
KenC has great advice on being assertive and having self confidence. Thanks for spending a lot of time on the internet helping us out with your wisdom. I have to admit I would be more selfish and want to spend more time with the wife.

[KenC]

I started my search 2 years ago with agencies, personal ads, free ads, been there twice and whatever. I'm sure there are honest agencies out there but I didn't strike on one. How many agencies are there in total? How many are honest? I don't know but it didn't work for me. KenC went to an agency and it worked for him. That's great! Did you pay for those services KenC? In your trip report I recall reading that you had a friend in Tver. Must have been a big help. I value my time, cooking and house work is hell and I work a lot. Ed is saving me valuable time looking for me. The local Russian sites are not bombarded with AM so competition is down. Ed does a great job of interpreting. I speak a lot of Ukrainian and understand some Russian. With one girl communication is direct after one interpreted letter and after the second letter we talk on the phone. If Ed was not doing a good job then I would be bashing him here like some others. I don't understand the Ed bashing. I am communicating with 5 beautiful girls and we have many things in common.
KenC has great advice on being assertive and having self confidence. Thanks for spending a lot of time on the internet helping us out with your wisdom. I have to admit I would be more selfish and want to spend more time with the wife.

Catman,
I sincerely wish you well.  Really.  Anybody that has made a couple of trips and plans on more is one serious dude in my book.  I admire that you had the smarts to change gears and try something else when your first attempts didn't work.

I get the impression that Ed is probably an OK guy too.  He just would be better served here without trying to blow so much smoke up everyone's arse.

BTW, I knew no one in Tver before my trip.
KenC

[Kuna]

Very funny twists and turns in this thread.


Doll says she agrees with Ed.. but I'm not sure if that means there are no risks for men and therefore all a man needs is a bit of hard work and the advice he can get in RWD and he's off and away.



Eduard refuses (again, and typically) to explain why any man would actually need his services if there were so few risks for men. 



Catman is using Ed, is happy with him, and can't understand others who don't believe Ed's spiel... but does that suggest there are some risks and therefore using Eduard reduces time by dealing with the risks?  Before Catman engaged Ed, did Ed advise him all he needed was some hard work and the advice in RWD and there would be no need for his services.

I too wish you well and it sounds you're well on the way...  but be aware you may have some massive challenges ahead of you.  If you choose to continue relationships with the women that require translation by Ed, he will not be there every time you need to communicate.  That's a risk.

Also,  you said you've been using agencies for two years and Ed was your saviour in finding real (and high quality women) to correspond with.  Sorry... I don't buy it... I'm no Einstein but I didn't take 2 years to find my wife.  If that was true of you, I fear for your ability to maintain a relationship with one of these women because it is very rewarding, but very demanding.  Lost in the maze of agencies for 2 years?  Wait until afte your married because that is when the real work starts.

So much has been said here about risk or no risk.  At the end of the day if there was no risk everyone would be doing it and everyone would be successful... therefore, anyone saying there is no risk is either lying or totally unaware of reality!

[Doll]

 KenC, what and how Ed does what he does has nothing to do with the subject of
"RISK" that we've been discussing.
BTW I am not crazy about the way he arranges the trips but it only means I wouldn't be a part of his dating sessions. Rather than that he is helpful.
And again- I can NOT see how the marriage to a RW is more risky than that to an AW.
 How do we define "risk"? Risk is the possibility to loose..... Loose what?

[Doll]

Doll says she agrees with Ed.. but I'm not sure if that means there are no risks for men and therefore all a man needs is a bit of hard work and the advice he can get in RWD and he's off and away.

 The last thing I recommend is to follow the advice (all of them) in RWD.
I hate men with paranoia 

  I've already told that my AM in the middle of our dating started reading something like this board. Honey, now I know I am an idiot because I've made all possible mistakes! But he did not! He acted like many men act when dating.
 Our relationships. It was more difficult for us to create a family because of the differences in culture but I can't see how it was risky for him.His ex got tons from him after the divorce while I would get nothing plus (or minus) I was and am far from my country, the main assets are still his etc. Come on!
 Ed knows what he is talking of! Don't tell me it is easy for him since he speaks Russian- many RW do speak good English.

[Kuna]

KenC, what and how Ed does what he does has nothing to do with the subject of
"RISK" that we've been discussing.
BTW I am not crazy about the way he arranges the trips but it only means I wouldn't be a part of his dating sessions. Rather than that he is helpful.
And again- I can NOT see how the marriage to a RW is more risky than that to an AW.
 How do we define "risk"? Risk is the possibility to loose..... Loose what?

Doll,

I don't know why you can't understand basic concepts but please explain to me why Ed's services are needed if there's no risk for men??? 

If you can't answer that, please stop moaning on like you have been for PAGES!

You still maintain you can't see how marriage to a RW would be more risky than marriage to a AW.  IMPORTANT NOTE:  Then you alternate to arguing there is NO RISK for a AM...

There are both risky for different reasons but the question of MORE RISK depends entirely on the individuals... You appear to even refuse to accept the language barrier would even be a risk for the man, or the couple.

I can't work out what your vested interest is (other than boasting rights that you carried all risk and your husband had an easy ride)???

By the way...  you saying there is no risk over and over again doesn't make that fact.

If you have facts to argue or concepts to propose go right ahead... thus far though all I see if you asserting your belief without justifying how you've come to that decision.  Very frustrating!


And then you go on to say...

Ed knows what he is talking of! Don't tell me it is easy for him since he speaks Russian- many RW do speak good English.

Doll,  will you please stop playing dumb and tell us WHY ED'S SERVICES ARE NEEDED IF THERE IS NO RISK!

[Kuna]

Guys you are killing me!
What my husband did ( 6+years ago) went on line on a FREE dating site, emailed a couple of women. I was on line while he was doing it so I replied right away. He called, we talked. Weeks later he (himself!) got a visa, bought tickets, booked the hotel and got on the plane. Nobody else was involved. Is he crazy?
He did have a tiny doubt if I would meet him (because before he came he went on board like this  ) but he was going then to just enjoy his vacations.
Is he crazy?
This is what comes to travelling. What are you scared of?
It does sound like offense, I agree with Ed.

Doll... your husband isn't or wasn't crazy back then (maybe you've made him crazy by now    ) but what you can't seem to accept is that many men have a much different path through this process than your husband.

btw... your husbands path is a good one...  but not everyone takes that path!

You may not have heard of any of their stories but if you stick around RWD long enough you'll see them come in, crash and burn, get scammed and ripped off (emotionally and financially) by everyone from agencies, police, women, guides, "trusted friends", etc.

It's not just the money... I believe the greatest loss is the loss of emotional rigor and potential.

[Doll]

I don't know why you can't understand basic concepts but please explain to me why Ed's services are needed if there's no risk for men???

 

For the sake of saving time and -sorry-brain.  :evil:For AM's convenience

[Doll]

If you can't answer that, please stop moaning on like you have been for PAGES!

Excuse me? Who has been moaning? Pa-ra-no-ics!