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Re: So Few Actually Visit
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2008, 09:01:10 PM »
And there is nothing wrong with it.   But it doesn't look very good when in the process you trample other women only because they don't look attractive to you.    Once a gentlemen always a gentlemen.   You can't turn it on and off from 9 to 5. 

Ooooops - I don't think Taz "trampled" other women because they do not look attractive to him, he just indicated he chooses not to date them...big difference IMHO.  Who would choose to date someone they do not find attractive?  It would make no sense to do so.

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« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2008, 09:02:22 PM »
Once a gentlemen always a gentlemen.   You can't turn it on and off from 9 to 5. 

And that is a true statement. And once a lady always a lady?
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« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2008, 09:03:54 PM »
I don't trample other women. I could never be accused of that. Here the women tend to trample men. Easy to do when they weigh more than the men!  :D

I am almost always a gentlemen. I treat all people with respect. Problem here is women want you to worship them. Sorry but I only have one God in my life and a BBW isn't going to be another one!  ;D
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« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2008, 09:06:09 PM »
Ooooops - I don't think Taz "trampled" other women because they do not look attractive to him

Since when words "cow", "feminazi" etc became compliments?    ::)

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« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2008, 09:07:44 PM »
And once a lady always a lady?

But of course!   Or being a lady means fit into 0-2 size pants?   :D

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Re: So Few Actually Visit
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2008, 11:20:41 PM »
Writing to a Woman, over say a 2-3 month period and then meeting does work. I can tell a lot about a Woman through writing. Like... English Skills, Intelligence, Knowledge, Humour, Values, Characteristics, Likes, Dislikes, Political Beliefs, Insecurities, etc... A Woman can also send a lot of photos via email that provide me with what I need to know about her appearance, as I do them. Physical appearance is important and is the initial thing I look at in a Woman's Profile. After that all the rest must add up. If not, physical appearance means nothing. That is why I've never wasted my money on a Blind FSU Trip. Yes I can afford to waste the money, but why? I spend probably $2500 to $3000 visiting Lana every 3 months. That is a pleasure.
Honestly, I believe a lot of men go on Blind FSU Trips for one of two reasons. One, they are ignorant of any other way of meeting FSU Women... Two, they're going for the Fun, Adventure, Unknown and ya Sex.
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Re: So Few Actually Visit
« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2008, 11:40:10 PM »
Since when words "cow", "feminazi" etc became compliments?    ::)

Feminazi is an attitude and a very militant one at that. Feminsm has done more to hurt women than help them in many ways. Women for years tell men that they should be this way and be that way and when men do what they want then women are no longer interested in them.

As for the cow comment, what can you call a woman who is 100lbs over weight and didn't care enough to take care of herself? Perhaps manatee would be a better name for he. I don't personally care if she doesn't want to take care of herself as long as it doesn't affect my life. What I don't appreciate is being force fed a bunch of BS telling me I MUST love her the way she is or that there is something wrong with me if I don't.

It is a fact men are more visual than women when it comes to the opposite sex. We are programmed that way biologically and it is always going to be a bigger factor for us in general. Why would I want to date a woman that can't even remotely keep up with my energy level or my typical level of activity? She'd be sitting on the couch rather than out going on a romantic bike ride with or a nice walk through the park.

If a woman is slightly overweight I don't have any major issues with it. When they start getting into the 25% and more overweight that is where they become unattractive to me. I make it a rule to never date a woman who weighs more than me.  ;D

If you surveyed 100 men, VERY FEW would say they would be interested in dating a woman who was 30% overweight. It is surt of like looking at a house. Let's suppose the exterior is really run-down and in terrible condition. The lawn needs trimming and in general needs to be remodeled and repainted. How interested are you going to be to see how nice the interior is?

When I was 360 lbs I didn't see women lining up to see what a wonderful personality I had or how caring and attentive I was. By having a more attractive exterior I encourage women to get closer to see the goodness within. Fundamentally it is about marketing and presenting yourself in the best manner you can to encourage closer inspection. Why do women wear makeup? Perfect example of what I am talking about. It is all about packging what you have to offer.
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« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2008, 12:42:55 AM »
Taz,

   you used to weigh 360lbs ?????  How tall are you? How much weight did you lose? Congrats! I'm sure you look and feel a lot better now.

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« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2008, 01:04:47 AM »
As for the cow comment, what can you call a woman who is 100lbs over weight and didn't care enough to take care of herself? Perhaps manatee would be a better name for he.

How about not calling her names at all besides her real one?   Is it that hard?   Or the only way to get higher is by stepping on somebody?   That's what I'm talking about.    And I hope that you don't share these thoughts with your girlfriends because if a guy would be bashing other women like that in front of me it wouldn't matter any more if he looks like Marlon Brando combined with Alain Delon - he's not on a list of the ones I'd want to consider as a partner. 
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Re: So Few Actually Visit
« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2008, 05:09:58 AM »
It is a fact men are more visual than women when it comes to the opposite sex.

If you surveyed 100 men, VERY FEW would say they would be interested in dating a woman who was 30% overweight.

Well, the first statement is what men keep telling themselves. I would say that women are just as visual as men and they would also prefer a more attractive mate. Some, however, are willing to make compromises (i.e. settle).

As for the second comment, the same could be said of women. Do you think they really want to date men that are overweight and old and unattractive? Of course not, but some are willing to date such men to satisfy other interests.

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« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2008, 06:12:42 AM »
Taz
Congratulations on the life change with the whole weight loss thing. Thats a great accomplishment and finding a beautiful woman that will love you is all the more motivation to continue. You're not going to win a debate with most of the girls on this site. Thats one of the things to consider when you go in the business of finding a RW/UW. You can certainly win the debate,but they wont admit it not in a hundred days. Of course you want a beautiful girl by your side and theres nothing wrong with being honest about that. Good luck in the search and find yourself a nice little number that doesnt look like she's got 2 asses back there. Nice calves and long legs are always a plus. Dont always look at the mom because you have to realize that the mama was raised in Soviet times and their life was much harder and weathered. Another thing you can do is have the girl you are thinking about have a dental exam before committing to her. That dental work can be very expensive here in the states but the quality is much better than in the FSU. My wife has braces although she really didnt need them, I've just always liked the look of a girl with braces. It seems like you're on the right track though. Stay away from the girls that can out drink you as well. Some of those girls like to start the day off with a few shots of vanilla vodka just to take the edge off. It's a long hard process finding the right one. Then again you can get lucky and the right little honey will just fall in your lap.

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Re: So Few Actually Visit
« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2008, 06:15:33 AM »
These guys who “claim” they knew she was THE woman before they met need to open up a magic show or buy lottery tickets. If they have that level of clairvoyance their talents are wasted in whatever profession they are in. It is pretty much luck.

Why the " "'s ? Are you saying we've "fibbed"?!  :-[ The worthiness of your points is severely weakened by such statements..  

I'm saying that's what happened for me - it's a fact, OK! :)

Of course luck comes into it.. Mrs "right for me" has to be on the right dating site / agency site at the right time.. ( In my case, the site we found each other on, I'd joined before and never got around to completing a profile. I only remembered about it, having made a new one profile - a year later- when "Madame" suggested I might have more than one profie... which of course I DID ! - I must have thought the site "sucked" first time around.. )

It is NOT luck to have good feeling about someone, and for theory to become fact... intuition, knowledge, trust and honestly can help you be quite certain of what you'll encounter- and remove your "fluke" factor !


So by visiting there first, I can quickly tell if there is a good connection. The women know I am real and not a keyboard Romeo. We can meet and spend time with each other and see if things click. If they do there will be plenty of time to write letters and call. There are of course a few downsides to this approach but they are better than the other alternatives and I have tried both.

Sorry, mate, but you appear to be "looking", still ..(and after 10+ visits)..chances are the Lady(ies) haven't got you down as a "good long term bet" ..

While you're keeping your options open....and thinking the way you do, it won't matter how handsome, fit, fluent in Russian or rich you are.... but I'll wager you're having a ball and enjoying the FSU ! ;)

One last Question.. I've noted that most women you chose to meet don't speak English very well. Do you think this has any bearing on your "search"? IMHO a women seeking a WM who is serious, will be trying to improve her English - before you even start to correspond.



Good luck




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Re: So Few Actually Visit
« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2008, 06:23:18 AM »
@mspanky - Thanks. I am 187.5 cm tall. I of course feel better. I was super sized all my life. I experienced a lot of discrimination during the period of time my weight went from 270lbs to 360. Women didn't mind to much when I was in the 260-270 range.

@Ooooops - I am not bashing women in general. People who know me in person know I am one of the nicest, most polite people you will meet. I am extremely cultured and kind. I am merely pointing out the prevailing attitudes were I should WORSHIP a giant sized woman. That I MUST like her. If I accept that premise then the WOMAN SHOULD have LIKED me when I was 360. I was a BHM (Big Handsome Man). What it comes down to is I don't appreciate hypocrites in any way, shape or form.

I won't call a woman the name of a cow as I NEVER personally insult anyone. I am speaking in general terms and I thought you were smart enough to understand that. I simply don't find vastly obese women attractive enough to date no matter how nice they are. It is my choice and I how I am wired biologically. You'll never seem me insult any of the women or men here. If you read my past posts you would maybe realize that I am pretty level-headed and reasonable person.

Every person has their turn-on and turn-offs. Why should I be FORCED to like someone if they are not my time. Last time I looked, America is a free country and generally like or love who I want. There are guys at there who are chubby chasers so I live those women to them.

I never tried to force a woman to like me when I was 360lbs yet so often the attitude of huge women here is "you should just deal with it!" Those same women though didn't want to date me when I was their size. It is the hypocrisy that just drives me crazy.

I don't discriminate against anyone based on sex, weight, color, relgion, etc. I have women friends that are overweight. Some of them are really great people. I am not aroused by fat chicks so why should I date them? When I almost died from a lung infection I contracted in the FSU and went from my normal 240 to 360, I saw how women's reactions changed toward me. They are as bad as men if not worse when it comes to weight once you are really big. They tend to be more tolerant when you are a few pounds overweight but when you get really big they are as bad if not worse. Those same fat chicks that wanted me to love them the way they were wouldn't date me when I was big like them.

Difference was I wasn't that size all my life and I've been working my tail off to get back down to my normal weight. I know who hard it is. I've lost almost all of the 120 lbs I've gained. I've lost more weight than many women on this list or in the FSU weigh!

If the women doesn't care enough about her health to take care of herself, why should I be interested? Fortunately I don't have to be. I have choices and I exercise them. No let's same I date a girl an she packs on a few pounds. My ex-RW wife did. I still loved her when she gained 20 lbs. I still loved her when she gained 40 lbs. What I did notice is my sexual desire for her drastically decreased when she gained the 40 lbs. Many factors were at work there. She didn't feel as sexy herself and so she didn't exude the sensuality she did before. For me she definitely wasn't as physically attractive to me in general. I don't like really big breasts and hers become much bigger than I would typically like. Her face went from a nice shape to almost round like a ball. Many of her features I appreciated before vanished. Did I want to leave her, no. Did I call her a cow, of course not. I did encourage her to lose weight and offered to help her.

So in general I despise the militant attitudes of the fat women here. I get tired of their fatness being shoved in my face like it is some big PLUS I should immediately love. Sorry not for me lady! Physical attractiveness matters or women woldn't swoon over guys like Brad Pitt. The more honest we are with each other the better in general things can be. I'll be honest but I'll be tactful too. Speaking in general terms for a morbidly obese women and calling her a cow puts things in a very graphic perspective and creates the visual image I am looking to convey.

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« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2008, 06:24:36 AM »
How about not calling her names at all besides her real one?   Is it that hard?   Or the only way to get higher is by stepping on somebody?   That's what I'm talking about.    And I hope that you don't share these thoughts with your girlfriends because if a guy would be bashing other women like that in front of me it wouldn't matter any more if he looks like Marlon Brando combined with Alain Delon - he's not on a list of the ones I'd want to consider as a partner. 

Well said, Ooooops.  And something for men headed to the FSU to remember.

Men who say bad things about their ex-wife or AW in general are doing themselves a disservice.  RW will think, "why is he so shallow" or "one day he could be talking this way about me" or "he would leave me if I lost my girly figure."  

Your ex-wife may have treated you ruthlessly, but past is past.  Start afresh with a positive perspective.  RW appreciate confident men, and confident men are not negative.

Ooops, you can give Taz some benefit of the doubt.  He lost a considerable amount of weight and feels intolerant of those who refuse to lose weight, akin to ex-smokers despising smoking.

Marlon Brando?  Alain Delon?  Oooops, you are dating yourself.   :D  Did you find Marlon attractive in his 60s when he added 50+ kg?


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« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2008, 06:25:36 AM »
Another thing you can do is have the girl you are thinking about have a dental exam before committing to her.

Absolutely!   Line 'em up, make 'em open their mouth and check their teeth!   :D :D :D

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« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2008, 06:30:21 AM »
Thats right and check their feet. Dont want no chicks with toes that go in every direction.

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« Reply #66 on: June 11, 2008, 06:30:55 AM »
But of course!   Or being a lady means fit into 0-2 size pants?   :D

Being a gentleman or a lady has nothing to do with appearance. They are internal qualties. Being classy and having style is size transparent.
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« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2008, 06:32:36 AM »
I am not bashing women in general. People who know me in person know I am one of the nicest, most polite people you will meet. I am extremely cultured and kind.

I don't know you personally.   All I can make of you is from your posts here that I've been reading today (you gotta know your enemy  ;D ) .   And let me tell you - you  don't come across as "nicest, most polite people you will meet, cultured and kind".   May be it's your writing skills that ain't that good...   :-\

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« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2008, 06:36:52 AM »


Ooops, you can give Taz some benefit of the doubt.  He lost a considerable amount of weight and feels intolerant of those who refuse to lose weight, akin to ex-smokers despising smoking.

Actually, that's exactly what I was gonna say next!   :D   I quit smoking a while ago and now I hate those smokers who puff those stinky cigarettes next to me.    :D

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« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2008, 06:38:47 AM »
Thats right and check their feet. Dont want no chicks with toes that go in every direction.

You better check for the Adam's apple!   :D

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« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2008, 06:42:35 AM »
Marlon Brando?  Alain Delon?  Oooops, you are dating yourself.   :D  Did you find Marlon attractive in his 60s when he added 50+ kg?

I'm almost 44 and not ashamed of it a bit!    ;)   Close your eyes or draw down the shades - just the sound of Brando's voice should answer that question.   ;D   Plus, we all gonna get old, wrinkly and ugly and then we die.   Ain't life a b..tch?   :D

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« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2008, 06:53:22 AM »
Why the " "'s ? Are you saying we've "fibbed"?!  :-[ The worthiness of your points is severely weakened by such statements..  

I'm saying that's what happened for me - it's a fact, OK! :)

Of course luck comes into it.. Mrs "right for me" has to be on the right dating site / agency site at the right time.. ( In my case, the site we found each other on, I'd joined before and never got around to completing a profile. I only remembered about it, having made a new one profile - a year later- when "Madame" suggested I might have more than one profie... which of course I DID ! - I must have thought the site "sucked" first time around.. )

It is NOT luck to have good feeling about someone, and for theory to become fact... intuition, knowledge, trust and honestly can help you be quite certain of what you'll encounter- and remove your "fluke" factor !


Sorry, mate, but you appear to be "looking", still ..(and after 10+ visits)..chances are the Lady(ies) haven't got you down as a "good long term bet" ..

While you're keeping your options open....and thinking the way you do, it won't matter how handsome, fit, fluent in Russian or rich you are.... but I'll wager you're having a ball and enjoying the FSU ! ;)

One last Question.. I've noted that most women you chose to meet don't speak English very well. Do you think this has any bearing on your "search"? IMHO a women seeking a WM who is serious, will be trying to improve her English - before you even start to correspond.

Good luck


I am not saying you fibbed, just what you admitted is that you got lucky. Sometimes it is better to be lucky than skillful. I am very happy for you. I am just saying it is not necessarily the best way as I don't want to rely on luck. To be able to read a woman so well, to be able to express your thoughts so well, for her to do the same, etc. etc. is a pretty rare combination. I can read women pretty damn well and it almost takes the planets to align for this approach to work. There are so many variables that must line up. In general I don't see a problem writing a woman before you meet but longer than 3 months is likely a waste. If you don't come you could have just pissed away 3 months or more of her life.

When I am there, in the flesh, it means far more to them than 50 letter they could receive. They'll learn far more about me in 20 minutes than they could in those 50 letters. It is no longer a virtual relationship and it is the beginning of a real one. I'll maintain and to quote what you said to "quite certain of what you'll encounter- and remove your "fluke" factor", well to do that you MUST meet in person. Before that it is totally speculation! You can do some pre-screening by writing ahead of time but is that how you would normally meet a woman in your native country? I try to date the woman as much as possible in what would be a normal way. Granted with the rise of the internet there is more online dating taking place but still many people meet for the first time just in passing. That is what I like to do. I can see how she takes care of herself. How she acts. How she walks and talks. How she interacts with other people. Letters will never tell you that.

I remember waiting at an agency for my friend JD. I saw many attractive women come in. After a few minutes of watching them interact with the staff there I knew very quickly I'd never want to meet them. They sure were dictating nice letters to the men writing them but they were ugly people inside. There letters were sure warm but they treated people around them like trash. How will you see that from your letters?

I would say I've been successful in this in general. I don't go to the FSU to meet women. I have a strong connection to the country data back to the middle of the cold war. My first trip was there in 1975. I married a wonderful RW who happened to have the daughter from hell. When her daughter tried to kill my son, that was pretty much the beginning of the end to our relationship. So I am not talking out my rectum. I am not a player nor am I incredibly picky. I was probably married longer than many of the married guys here before things went to hell in a hurry.

I don't get involved with a women or even encourage intimacy unless I am very serious about the woman and would consider her as a long-term partner. My that I mean if I won't consider her as a potential wife I won't sleep with her. I am a very caring and attentive man. Women in person see this and are very pleased by it. I don't play their emotions and I am very serious. SwissKid and Myrddin can easily attest to this. Even their dates picked up on the fact that I was a really nice guy.

I don't specifically select women who don't speak English wel. My point is I don't have to go where the English speakers are or need a translator. I am just out enjoying my vacation and I can meet and strike up a conversation with anyone. I've made some incredibly good friends and met some amazing women. Problem is my Russian is so good that many women don't feel inclined to improve their English at first. They tend to rely on it a lot. I of course encourage them to learn English if they are serious about our relationship. The ones that take the time to do it show me they are serious about being with me long term. The ones that don't are the ones I drop.

I don't usually look for a woman who wants to leave her country before she met me. If the love is strong enough, she'll want to be with me more than her family and friends. So far I've met 3 of those women (and possibly fourth) and I married one of them. The other 2 wanted to be with me but couldn't due to factors beyond our control.

Again I'll not waste much time, if any, corresponding before I go. Now I just go back to see one woman anyway so the point is moot. I did try 1 time to write a woman for several months before I went. It resulted in a bunch of wasted time and expense. Thankfully I had a backup plan as there was no chemistry between us even though our letters were pretty good.

I could have married the woman Lana that I've posted about by now. I haven't played her and never will. I want to ensure that we have a very good relationship built up. I also want her family to know me pretty well. You don't just marry the woman but her family as well. My ex-RW's family was great and we still have a very good relationship to this day. When her family comes to visit her I often help out financially as well as spend a lot of time taking them around and showing them the town so to speak. Even though we are divorced I still help her quite a bit financially and otherwise and we are still pretty good friends. If I was such a player or jerk, she sure wouldn't want me in her life.
Take time to learn the language. Even a little can go a long ways...

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« Reply #72 on: June 11, 2008, 06:54:50 AM »
Being classy and having style is size transparent.

First we gotta agree on definitions of "style & class"   ;)

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« Reply #73 on: June 11, 2008, 06:58:25 AM »
I don't know you personally.   All I can make of you is from your posts here that I've been reading today (you gotta know your enemy  ;D ) .   And let me tell you - you  don't come across as "nicest, most polite people you will meet, cultured and kind".   May be it's your writing skills that ain't that good...   :-\

Ever play Devils' Advocate? Some topics need to be debated for other people to understand all sides of the issues. The dating scene is truly just another form of free markets at work but now with very open borders.

As far as being polite and nice. Have I ever called anyone here a name? Do I go around flaming anyone because I disagree with them? Hell no. While I may disagree with what you have to say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it. I spent enough time in the military that my words are not just words. Of course you are a woman (AFAIK) and you't think of things differently than I do.
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Re: So Few Actually Visit
« Reply #74 on: June 11, 2008, 07:15:04 AM »

As far as being polite and nice. Have I ever called anyone here a name?

You called me a joke and what's'her'name?  oh!  Britney!   :D

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Of course you are a woman (AFAIK) and you't think of things differently than I do.

Yes I am, trust me.   :D   I probably do.   But then we all do.   That's why I like "Being John Malkovitch" movie so much.

 

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