Risky Business

[BC]

So per ronnie's posts, Maxx was not found guilty and was not "convicted' of anything, although whether it happens in family court or in criminal court, it certainly feels the same.

Scott,

Does it really matter?

You're a doc (I think?)  When our son had to have a fairly minor OP, for us it could have well been open heart.. we had no past experiences to relate the gravity of the situation in terms we could work with emotionally.

Maxx may well have been in a similar same state.. what he felt was a noose around his neck regardless of what the paperwork proves or not.  I would have felt probably the same in his shoes back then.

His experience does affect some aspects of his life, even scars (his record) were left that are looked at by someone every time he boards a flight, sponsors an immigrant or who knows how the information can be used in the future.  A scar he is not allowed to see, or even try to expunge. 

Juristic rape is how it could be best described.. it will never wash off.

'Face value' is the best way to go.. don't want to get to the point that we have to post copies of stamped visa's in order to validate a TR to RU do we?

[Gator]

Ronnie,

If you had read this story for 5 years as BC and I have done in another forum (or spoken to Maxx as I have done periodically), you would have no doubt about its validity. 

[KenC]

I don't know BC and Gator, I too have read Maxx's story forever, but I think Ronnie does have a point here.  When Maxx uses the terms "found guilty" and "convicted" they are very misleading from what is presented here.  This was a Civil Court proceeding (not "Family Court" as Scott said) and not a Criminal Court.  The judge in Civil Court decided that Maxx's wife met the burden of proof to have the Civil Court issue a "restraining order."  From what I read here, it is the issuance of this restraining order that has marred Maxx's record, not a "conviction" or being "found guilty" of anything.  Mind you, it still sucks but it is far from being a criminal.

Maxx, please correct me if I am wrong.  Did the police ever arrest you?  Did you receive any penalty for the "crime" of DV?  (Such as probation)  Did you ever have to appear in Criminal Court?
KenC

[KenC]

Just a personal story regarding restraining orders and divorce.

When I was going through the divorce of my first wife, her attorney presented mine with a restraining order that would keep me from visiting the home occupied by my future ex as a matter of "standard procedure" (her attorney's words).  My attorney became livid.  He told the other attorney that as there had not been any history of abuse in the 20+ years of marriage that the restraining order was not only not necessary but abusive to his client (me).  My future ex and her attorney backed down completely from the idea.  Afterward, I asked my attorney about it.  He said, that I didn't want a restraining order on the record going into the divorce preceding because no matter the reason, it would taint me as being someone to be feared by my future ex.  A very wise man, my attorney was.
KenC

[Maxx2]

Just a personal story regarding restraining orders and divorce.

He said, that I didn't want a restraining order on the record going into the divorce preceding because no matter the reason, it would taint me as being someone to be feared by my future ex.  A very wise man, my attorney was.
KenC

That is one of consequences having one issued on you. There is always some doubt by some about you.

To clarify some of this. It was a civil trial. My attorney and I had almost no time to prepare for it. We had no idea what all the charges were going to be or what evidence or witnesses was going to be used against me. It was to be definitely a 'shoot from the hip' defense for me while her side had everything carefully planned.

I had several days before the trial talked with a Russian Kazakhstan couple that my ex wife and I knew. He Sergei, was Russian and she Myra, Kazakhstan. She was a MOB. Sergei told me that his wife asked him "If American women get shelters what do men do American men get? He said "Prison". He looked at me like "Do you get it?" He then repeated what he and she said and looked straight at me like, "Do you get it?". During my visit Myra kept looking at me with sadness like she knew I was about to be destroyed.

What had happened a week before this (I am backing up a bit here on my story) was that I went to him (He claimed to be a counselor for RW/AM marriages) to talk with him about my failed marriage. I told him I had filed the divorce which shocked him. He told me to go to her and talk with her one more time. That she had confessed to him that she loved me and loved America (like he did) something that she would always complain about before. He urged me to go and talk with her. So I went home ( I had been visiting family in Wisconsin and Elvira didn't really want me to be around anyway. She had her own friends.) to talk with her. I hoped she had changed and woke up about me. I still loved her. When I went home she wasn't there. That didn't surprise me as she stayed at her friends house on Fridays or Saturdays after partying hearty. Geezz looking back now I see foolish it was entertaining hope that she might have changed. Anyway the next day I went to the friends house. A Russian man not wearing a shirt opened the door. I could see some people sleeping on couches and on the floor. I told him I was Elvira's husband and could I see her. He was surprised and let me in and lead me down to the lower level bedroom. She was sleeping in a bed with her son. She woke up and said "What are you doing here?" I told her "I wanted to see you". She then said "I get ready to go now" and gathered up her things. I said goodbye to her girlfriend Alona who was upstairs on the couch. We left. Elvira had a headache and asked me to stop by the store to get her some beer for her hangover. We stopped at the store and got some items but they wouldn't sell us the beer because it was before noon on Sundays.

I have to fly now for business. I'll get back to this melodrama later.


Maxx           

[Maxx2]

Good news. I just got back picking up the first job from a new client that may work out to be a big client for me.


Maxx

[steviej]

A Civil Court issues "Guilty" verdicts. If it was civil court, Maxx has a Guilty verdict in his public record for DV. Any woman AW or otherwise can look up the public record and find Maxx guilty of DV. That is a conviction. He can then try to explain to his new love interest that he is not guilty - but perhaps he needs some good luck to succeed with that.

The standards of evidence in Civil Court and Criminal Court are different. The standard of evidence is higher in criminal court, supposedly. However, even in criminal court there is "testimony." This often becomes the biggest factors in DV criminal cases. Lucky for Maxx it didn't go to criminal court. The judge in criminal court can still find the woman's testimony as a "finding of fact." And then admit as "evidence" that Maxx assaulted his wife. There need be no forensic evidence. If Maxx's wife had gone to the police instead of a domestive violence shelter, he may very well have been arrested and ended up in criminal court.

[KenC]

Steve,
Are you an attorney?
KenC

[Gator]

USCIS Form I-129F (Fiancee Petition) asks in Part C, Question 2:

Have you ever been convicted by a court of law (civil or criminal) or court martialed by a military tribunal for any of the following crimes:

[KenC]

Boy, I sure would like to get a clarification fron a real attorney.
KenC

[BillyB]

USCIS Form I-129F (Fiancee Petition) asks in Part C, Question 2:

Have you ever been convicted by a court of law (civil or criminal) or court martialed by a military tribunal for any of the following crimes:

I was just thinking about that question on the I-129 before I stumbled upon it here. No doubt conviction of DV can come from a civil court besides criminal. I'm sure if the DV was so severe that it crippled a woman and evidence overwhelming, a criminal prosecutor will take the man into criminal court. Regardless, red flags pop up next to Maxx's name in the DHS system of being a convicted wife beater.  If your daughter brought home a man convicted of DV although he professes his innocence, wouldn't any father be worried regardless. A judge has made his ruling and society will never look at Maxx the same once they know he's been labeled a wife beater.

[Maxx2]

Back to the melodrama;

When we got back home I waited for a time to begin my serious conversation about her confessed love for me as she had told Sergei and his wife. I asked her about this. I said "I talked with Sergei and Myra. Sergei said that you loved me?" Elvira laughed and rolled her eyes. I sat back and let this pass. I then talked to her about marriage. About what I thought marriage should be like. You know caring for one another and loving one another and so on. I asked her what she wanted out of our marriage. She named off this list that I recognized was straight off the USCIS website to prove a bona fide marriage. Things like a joint checking account, an insurance policy and things that involved a comingling of finances, all the things my divorce attorney advised me not to get. I let this cold blooded reciting of a list of things she wanted me to get for her pass. I repeated to her about wanting a loving marriage. I tried to show her how sincere I was about this by almost pleading my case to her. I then asked her what she wanted. She let off her cold blooded recitation of her things to get list. At that point I released that my new hope that Sergei gave me was a delusion. I realized that this was it. I sat there silent. I was sitting by the ottoman by the front door where we took our shoes off. She was sitting on the couch in the living room about eight feet away. I stared off into space. I must have had some sort of shocked blank faraway look on my face as she asked me "What are you thinking?" I said "Never mind I don't want to say" She said "WHAT ARE YOU THINKING??" I said "I think we are getting a divorce. We are getting a divorce". She quickly put her hand up to her mouth in shock. Then with both hands she covered her face except for her eyes. She stared at the wall in shock." I sat there saying nothing. After a minute or so she got up and walked past me to the bathroom that she shared with her son. "Our" bathroom she never used when we were "living together". I sat there for several more minutes for her to come out. She didn't. So I got up and said to her through the door "I'm going to the store now to get the beer (it was past noon now). Don't worry everything will be OK." Half an hour later I came back home an walked in. She was out of bathroom by then. I set the twelve pack of Michalobe beer on the floor between the ottoman and the door. I asked her if she was OK. She told me that she didn't feel well. I put my arms around her and told her I loved her. Her arms hung limply by her side and she said nothing. I kissed right cheek and said, "I am going now." She asked me when I was going to call. I said later this evening and left. I called that evening about seven. I asked her how she was feeling. She said she didn't feel well that she was sick in her body. I told her to rest and I would call her later. That was the last time we spoke.

After that she disappeared. I didn't know where she went. After 4 days I went to Sergei. That is when he told me about where men go verses where women go. He told me that I should never have gone back to her. He repeated this. He indicated that this was a big mistake (it was) and asked me why I went back to her. I said "Well Sergei you told me to. You said "Go to her she still loves you". Sergei sat there silent. I could tell by the look on his face that he remembered this, now that I brought it up.

As it turned out, it was Sergei and his wife that drove her to a shelter the morning after I talked with Elvira. Elvira had consulted with her immigration adviser Natasha. Natasha was a woman from the same agency we had used for our introduction and initial letter translation. Natasha urged her to go to the shelter as they would help her with her immigration status. Sergei told me that she was at the shelter. That I was not to contact the INS. That nothing would happen to me and I should go about my business.

What was really going on was Elvira, Natasha and Sergei had been putting their heads together to concocked a believable abuse story against me.

During trial my last conversation with Elvira was quite different than the true version. In her version I supposedly insisted on having sex with her and complained I hadn't had sex in 5 days. That this caused me to say I was going to kill myself if I didn't get it. That I pushed her and hurt her back and she cried. She said that I said that I thought that she was beautiful when she cried.

What helped me during the trial was my presentation of my step by step plan to exit my marriage using lawyers. Abusive men do not do this I am told. They use abuse to hold on to their victims and not let them go. Where I made my big mistake was listening to Sergei, Myra and Elza my friend's wife and going back to talk with her one more time. If I had her process served I may have (not guaranteed to be sure) avoided some of the charges. As it turned out she ducked the process server (the Sheriff's deputy) and when the deputy went to the shelter they refused to allow him to process serve her. Then the shelter never told prosecutor any of this as the prosecutor was surprised right before the trial that I had filed for the divorce a few weeks before. Then an issue was made in court that Elvira did not know anything about the divorce. This was important point for them for some reason.

When all this was happening I took the abuse charges that I heard on the internet very, very serious. I am sure you guys, KenC, BC, AJ, Ronnie, Ambach etc. see this subject in a detached manner. That is the way it is. But when you are under the gun this situation puts your instincts on a high level. I call it the "combat mode". The "flight fight" response is at max during these times. I remember reading this on the net.

"Hi Michael,
it nice to see you again for real online, nice try. You like my profile here! I just date doctors and lawyers now. Did your phone #change? YOu very stupid man now. Im sorry I and galina did all thos bad things in court. it is impossible for me to survive in USA, this town is too booring, and with the money you gave me from court and the money you owe me soon is not enough for me to survive. Crule and unhumantraetment!! how dare you. I want more! If you dont give me more money i will again set you up with more abuse charges and this time you will go to jail for sure. If you go to police this time again I will really have your house burned down, and kill you and your family. The garage damge is just the beginning. You know Galina and I can have this done, we have many russian friends who will do this and have. I married you only for a green card as Nina has said. you always knew it. it is your fault you left marriage earlier, saw that lawyer and told me you want divorce. All i wanted was a greencard at two years and I none of this would of happened. money was ok too. You a dirty, ugly man. The dumb jewish judge will always protect me and woman in this country. not like ukraine I did want the house, you got lucky. It is so easy for Galina and I, friends of my at work to set you up again. Just one phone call-one hit in the leg again. I want 10,000 dollars now, even the divorce judge we had told you to give me that. I then will forever leave alone. Also, send me my transcripts. as you know, had to break to get in. sorry i needed wedding pictures for ins. I thank you for not writing Ins, or about the plan for my mother to marry a man here. Mother was correct, men are goats, but they will do anything for sex! my direct e-mail is ****@netzero.com. sorry michael."

I know the e-mail above sounds crazy and bazaar but that is the way it is in these situations. It gets really crazy when an American husband stands between a GCG and her green card. So I realized I was in situation like the guy above. So what I did was do my best to stay out of sight. I hid my vehicle. I didn't answer the door. I didn't answer the phone. I lived like this for the next 2 1/2 months until I heard from one of her friends that she had moved 950 miles away. I had this confirmed. I had heard that her Russian friends were wondering where I was during that 2 1/2 months. I believe they couldn't set me up because they never knew where I was. I have could have been hundreds of miles away visiting my family. If they knew where I was it could be a copy cat of Michael's wife's "friends of my at work to set you up again. Just one phone call-one hit in the leg again.". I knew that she wanted more evidence of abuse because in the divorce counter petition she wanted me to admit to be abusive in exchange for dropping all financial claims in the divorce. I knew a second conviction against me meant allot to her.

No, I was never arrested. I have never been arrested in my life. There was no probation just a two year restraining order on me. During the trial the county prosecutor asked for $1500 a month in spousal maintenance and a health insurance policy (about $500 a month) for her. The judge said "No" to these and that was something to be worked out in the divorce. It ended up all she got was her clothes and some personal items that I sent to her attorney. She had to borrow money from her mother in Russia to buy two train tickets to move out East where her immigration adviser and her husband were waiting for her to take her to her new life. A life and possible a man that they may have had planned for her with her knowledge before she left Russia. Who knows? I believe while here in Minnesota she got nothing in the way of aid. She may have been asked to leave the shelter and was living off the charity of her "friends". During the trial she said she had no friends in America to go to. There were all sorts of Russians that were helping her but she didn't consider them friends (as she had told me earlier). I figured this was a Russian thing. 

Maxx         

 


                       

[Jumper]

Can't see the Forest ,because of all the trees?

while i can understand the concern for absolute accuracy of terms..

Maxx's RW ex used the system, and its bias and ambuiguity,
to retain a judgement against him.

She then used this judgement in her case to
file with the INS/BCIS for her immigration status via domestic abuse.
(since she would no longer be married,and be able to file that way)

The semantics of the words *guilty of criminal offense* or simply
* judgement against him in a domostic abuse case*,
 did not matter to the BCIS/INS who granted Elivara her petition.
and the odds are great this judgement aided her greatly?

The thread is about risky business.

Isnt the FACT  that it is that easy for a insincere RW to use the system,
even without a criminal court conviction of DV..
an even more important point?

you guys are kiiling me , the very point you are making,
by disecting maxx's story and words..
and proving he wasnt found criminally "guilty"
just further demonstrates the risk he was trying to warn of?
and shows greater risk, if anything.

cheez! ok ok he wasnt criminally "guilty"
but his ex RW-
put a permanent mark on his record..that he must declare on any future K1's,
and she used somethiing as a simple and EASY to get as a "civil court judgement" to aid her immigration.

Arnt those the  relevent points?
 


Something else i noticed -

The judges STATED feelings that this case did not likely meet INS strandards and that even though it was not to be decided by his court, it reflected on this case.

I want you guys to think about that.
the judge clearly states he feels something is up ,and that it is relevent to the case ,and
indicates it is supportive of maxxs position,
and states THAT it is the reason that it is a *close case*!!
Then rules against maxx anyway..

Take a more typical scenerio, without an INS situation the judge alludes to being a key ingrediant in him supporting maxx, (even though he ruled against him)
, and how would he "find" in a  more typical  case?

he is stating quite frankly that it wouldn't even be CLOSE.
got that?
not even CLOSE.
This , coming from a civil court judge clearly illustrates how he, and most would ,rule
in these cases.isnt that a real issue?
is that due process?
no.
but if its ony civil court,then thats ok right?

and why the debate at all about civil vs criminal.?
because ultimately does it matter?
The man who has a judgment in civil court entered against him  must bear that..as well as reflect it in any K1 filings he may do in the future?

The RW, regardles what the INS states in thier requirements,
seem to be able to use either a criminal conviction,or civil case judgement , to support her case to the INS.

those are two big factors that  increase the Risk, in this risky business?

[groovlstk]

But when you are under the gun this situation puts your instincts on a high level. I call it the "combat mode". The "flight fight" response is at max during these times.

Maxx, it seems to me you're still in "flight fight" mode and unable to make peace with this after all these years. I could have been in your situation had I not had the collective wisdom of RWD (including your stories), yet if disappearing from this business gave you some peace I sincerely hope you would consider it.

I think your posts alone here perform a valuable service to men, but what good is it doing you? All these episodes you recount are like half-buried coffee cans with sharp edges that you can't stop pulling at, again and again. While I'm sure some guys take away a healthy dose of skepticism and caution from your story, I'd also bet that the majority simply get a vicarious thrill out of seeing you bleed. I'm starting to wonder who is helping whom, here? 

[Maxx2]

Man! AJ your a genius! You got it!



Maxx

[steviej]

Steve,
Are you an attorney?
KenC

I'm not a lawyer. (although I play one on TV! )

My brother is a lawyer. He is not a specialist in family law. He's a corporate lawyer, and is therefore generally familiar with this stuff. Most lawyers seem to know all about this (I guess many have been to divorce court LOL ). We had a case in my old neighborhood where I learned most about this (involving AW, not RW) and talked to both the man, and my brother about it. It's unnerving stuff, thats for sure. This man's ex did the fake DV stuff, found out how easy it was, to set up better settlements financially in divorce. It worked for her.

[Maxx2]

Maxx, it seems to me you're still in "flight fight" mode and unable to make peace with this after all these years. I could have been in your situation had I not had the collective wisdom of RWD (including your stories), yet if disappearing from this business gave you some peace I sincerely hope you would consider it.

I think your posts alone here perform a valuable service to men, but what good is it doing you? All these episodes you recount are like half-buried coffee cans with sharp edges that you can't stop pulling at, again and again. While I'm sure some guys take away a healthy dose of skepticism and caution from your story, I'd also bet that the majority simply get a vicarious thrill out of seeing you bleed. I'm starting to wonder who is helping whom, here? 

I am hearing you loud and clear with what you said. My "flight fight" mode is dormant now for the past few years. But I am assured I can recall it again if I need be. I am not at peace now. But not because of this. I have had a series of hits that I have to deal with before I can be one of the guys here. I do believe some of best men alive are guys like you guys. You guys work very hard to be good husbands and have to with RW wives  .

As far as disappearing from this business, the business being anything regarding the MOB scene, I have thought about it. I have developed other interests that are pulling at me.

My posts do not do much for me. My story in a complete form has never been told. But I have doubts that it would do any good if I did tell it. I doubt that my story is much use to most people especially the newbies that need it. I believe that most people are unable to draw parallels with my situation with their situation or possible situation. For some of them it's just a "vicarious thrill" seeing me bleed while they pat themselves on the back congratulating themselves on how they would never fall for such things. And yet when it does happen to them they keep quiet about. The others are just too focused on their RW to image she could do to them what mine did to me.


Maxx  

[KenC]

Maxx,
Now this is where you tend to lose me with your dramatic "it's just a "vicarious thrill" seeing me bleed while they pat themselves on the back congratulating themselves."  That is total BS and you know it.  No one I know here enjoys hearing your story or the fact that you got worked over.  No one!  Many many times in the past I have said if you had done X or if you were more experienced with dating women .....blah blah blah, but never have I ever rubbed your nose in your history like you seem to indicate here.  I remember years ago when you first began your divorce thread on RWG, I started a "happily married" thread.  Not to mock you, but to give the readers an alternate view from your doom and gloom. I still feel the same today.

I started this "Risky Business" thread and have referred to your problems many times as your story is a good "scare" story for how things can go incredibly sideways in this venture.  At the same time, there are many of us that did things differently, maybe had more dating experience than you did and were emotionally prepared for another relationship where things turned out just fine.  If that hurts you personally, I am sorry, but those are the facts of the matter.  It is all about balance as I see it.  I do not want to make the newbies paranoid here, but they should be aware of the potential risks too.

AJ,
Sorry but I disagree with you (and I rarely do).  Ronnie brought up some valid questions about the terminology Maxx has been using for years.  Clarification would be nice after all this time.  No, it doesn't change the facts that Maxx got screwed over by Elvira and the system, but after all this time, the facts should be accurate and not embellished in any way.
KenC

[Maxx2]

Maxx,
Now this is where you tend to lose me with your dramatic "it's just a "vicarious thrill" seeing me bleed while they pat themselves on the back congratulating themselves."  That is total BS and you know it.  No one I know here enjoys hearing your story or the fact that you got worked over.  No one!  Many many times in the past I have said if you had done X or if you were more experienced with dating women .....blah blah blah, but never have I ever rubbed your nose in your history like you seem to indicate here.  I remember years ago when you first began your divorce thread on RWG, I started a "happily married" thread.  Not to mock you, but to give the readers an alternate view from your doom and gloom. I still feel the same today.

I started this "Risky Business" thread and have referred to your problems many times as your story is a good "scare" story for how things can go incredibly sideways in this venture.  At the same time, there are many of us that did things differently, maybe had more dating experience than you did and were emotionally prepared for another relationship where things turned out just fine.  If that hurts you personally, I am sorry, but those are the facts of the matter.  It is all about balance as I see it.  I do not want to make the newbies paranoid here, but they should be aware of the potential risks too.

AJ,
Sorry but I disagree with you (and I rarely do).  Ronnie brought up some valid questions about the terminology Maxx has been using for years.  Clarification would be nice after all this time.  No, it doesn't change the facts that Maxx got screwed over by Elvira and the system, but after all this time, the facts should be accurate and not embellished in any way.
KenC

Wow! Ken you never crossed my mind when I wrote that, honest. I have met some sick fellows on these boards over the years who have made jokes about me so I was thinking of them. I consider you a good guy. I was agreeing in part with what groovestk had wrote previous. Nothing you just said hurt me. I do agree with you that dating experience and with it the ability to dump a woman at the sign of bad trouble is essential in this process. Ken the things you say to do and be are reinforced in me with deep deep scar tissue.

I agree with AJ on this subject. Whether I use the right terms (stevej seems to think they are not far off) or not I do believe they are right in what actually happened to me. I was told after the trial that with a judge's ruling I could have been criminally prosecuted in another trial and faced years in prison. I know two guys (one in California and another in Arizona) with ex Russian wives who spent 9 years collectively in prison for the charges that were being levied against me. The technicality that mine didn't progress to a criminal matter is immaterial in my opinion. Besides how would I would state my case? "I was found liable for 'pushing and shoving in a civil trial". How does the next person hear this? A pronouncement was determined by a judge that I did something wrong. Like maybe I was guilty of something? And 'pushing and shoving' is domestic abuse. So no matter how I state my case anyone listening to it would think "Maxx was found guilty of DV". No embellishment here. In fact I have been playing down what happened to me.

      

Maxx     

[Ronnie]

USCIS Form I-129F (Fiancee Petition) asks in Part C, Question 2:

Have you ever been convicted by a court of law (civil or criminal) or court martialed by a military tribunal for any of the following crimes:

Two Problems Gator;

1. You can't be convicted of a crime in a civil court.  Period.  Maxx could truthfully answer "no" to the above.  In fact, a "yes" answer would be a falsification.

2. A 2-year order to stay away from her does in no way rise the level of being convicteded of a crime.

Legal Definition of "Convict"
To adjudge an accused person guilty of a crime at the conclusion of a criminal prosecution, or after the entry of a plea of guilty or a plea of nolo contendere. An individual who has been found guilty of a crime and, as a result, is serving a sentence as punishment for the act; a prisoner. (Emphasis added). http://legal-definitions.info/convict

Groov is exactly right, Maxx is filling pages with where the beer was sitting, why the liquor store was closed and where Sergey was wearing a shirt or not.  That's bizarre.  Further his unwillingness to present a true depiction of what happened in the legal process smacks of someone who is trying overplay his hand and/or make a mountain out of molehill.  He may gain sympathy from some by this method, but he doesn't further the education of readers here.

[Ronnie]

I would like Maxx to post that portion of the order which describes what the judge thinks maxx is guilty of doing and what his rationale for that finding is.  Can you do that Maxx?

[Ronnie]

The following is taken directly from page 3 of the 129F instructions

The term "domestic violence" includes felony or misdemeanor crimes of violence committed by a current or former spouse of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabitating with or has cohabitated with the victim as a spouse, by a person similarly situated to a spouse of the victim under the domestic or family violence laws of the jurisdiction receiving grant monies, or by any other person against an adult or youth victim who is protected from that person's acts under the domestic or family violence laws of the jurisdiction

I see nothing in Maxx's story except his own misuse of the language, that would put an 129F petition in any jeopardy.  If there is more, he hasn't presented it here.

[BC]

Frequently Asked Questions

I was the subject of a restraining order when my previous wife and I were getting divorced. Do I have to declare this on the I-129F?

Probably not. Most restraining orders do not entail a criminal conviction. Every case has to be evaluated under it’s own facts and within the laws of the subject jurisdiction, however, to make sure there was no conviction in the case.

http://www.arctec.com/imbra.html

Note use of probably, most, has to be evaluated..

This seems to be a topic that even lawyers can't give a blanket answer for.

[Ronnie]

Maxx,

Is it possible that "Elvira" and her Russian friends were not as bad as you have led us to believe?  I ask this in part because of the rampant hyperbole in your stories and in part, because of your recent post in the Global Warming thread referring to Barack Obama as calling for an equivalent of the Nazi brown shirts when in fact his speech said no such thing. 

Are you, Maxx, someone given to hyperbole and over-dramatization?
 

[Maxx2]

Ronnie you are just pis$ed off at me because I proved that you doubts in my innocence were incorrect. Now you seek to destroy my credibility in anyway you can. I am through with you.



Maxx