hello from another newbie!

[docmon]

Hello everyone, just thought I'd introduce myself.  I'm 30 and from florida.  I have been reading the great posts on this site for a few days now, and everyone seems real knowledgable and willing to help out with some great advice!  For someone that is just starting out, this place is a great source of info! 
I myself have not given up on all AW, and never would have thought that I would be looking on the other side of this world for that "someone". 
I haven't been at this too long (about 1 - 2months), but I have met a few UW for certain sites (I wish I would have found this site beforehand!)
Anyway, looking forward to reading more great advice and experiences!

[vwrw]

Hi docmon! Welcome to RWD.

What are the reasons why your relationship with AW did not work out?

What make you believing that your relationship with FSUw will work out? 

[Kuna]

Hey doc,

Welcome to RWD.  You've found a great place to build knowledge...  I started out like you around 2 years ago and I'm now marriage to the most wonderful girl.

As questions come up feel free to ask away...  in fact I would encourage it to help refine your plan.

There's a big mountain to climb if you're going down this path but the rewards better than I can describe!

Kuna

[docmon]

Hi vwrw, thanks for the welcome!  As far as my relationships with AW, I have not given up on them altogether.  I have a close friend who is married to a great UW, and she has told me many qualities of said UW that I find to be what I'm looking for, some I have not found in AW!  Now the hard part is to find said woman!
Kuna, thanks for the welcome!  Congrats on your success! Hope to be there one day!

[vwrw]

In my opinion, it’s good you have not given up on AW because there are a lot of wonderful women among them.

With reference to your friend’s wife…her opinion regarding her country’s women might be biased. In general, due some of natural hindrances that do not let a human to be objective, it is not recommended to rely on one person’s testimony. I think it will be beneficial if you list the qualities what you’re looking for and UW have and the qualities that are in deficiency among AW.

[ScottinCrimea]

In my opinion, it’s good you have not given up on AW because there are a lot of wonderful women among them.

With reference to your friend’s wife…her opinion regarding her country’s women might be biased. In general, due some of natural hindrances that do not let a human to be objective, it is not recommended to rely on one person’s testimony. I think it will be beneficial if you list the qualities what you’re looking for and UW have and the qualities that are in deficiency among AW.

I totally disagree with this advice.  Just make a list of the qualities you are looking for in ANY woman and then search using those as your criteria.  If you find more possibilities in the FSU that have these qualities, then so be it.  If not, extend your search.  It's not about qualities of AW vs. FSUW or any other nationality, it's about the qualities YOU want.

[docmon]

thanks for all the replies and advice!
vwrw, I agree that relying on only one person's opinions is not exactly the best idea in the world.  But I have read the posts on this site and those are helping to build my views on FSUW, which seem to be quite helpful!

[Kuna]

I totally disagree with this advice.  Just make a list of the qualities you are looking for in ANY woman and then search using those as your criteria.  If you find more possibilities in the FSU that have these qualities, then so be it.  If not, extend your search.  It's not about qualities of AW vs. FSUW or any other nationality, it's about the qualities YOU want.

 

Nicely smacked into the crowd Scott...  you're spot on!

[vwrw]

vwrw, I agree that relying on only one person's opinions is not exactly the best idea in the world.  But I have read the posts on this site and those are helping to build my views on FSUW, which seem to be quite helpful!

I hope your views on FSUW did not become less complimentary or good than your friend’s wife has. 

I totally disagree with this advice.  Just make a list of the qualities you are looking for in ANY woman and then search using those as your criteria. 

It is okay. It is naturally for human to be disagreed with the concepts, ideas, etc., that he does not understand.  Just for you, Scottin, I will make one more attempt to formulate differently what I told above. 

Docmon said: I have a close friend who is married to a great UW, and she has told me many qualities of said UW that I find to be what I'm looking for, some I have not found in AW!

In response I asked him to list the qualities he wants but he have not found in AW.  In other words I was curious to know some of the criteria he “measures” women by, exacter, I wished to know a specified segment of the qualities he wants his future wife to have.

What is the thing you totally disagree with? You do not want docmon to reveal a part of the qualities he is looking for? Alternatively, maybe you think the knowlege,(members' opinion) if the qualities told to docmon are indeed prevalent among UW, could be not beneficial for him?

[topofthekey]

Hello everyone, just thought I'd introduce myself.  I'm 30 and from florida.  I have been reading the great posts on this site for a few days now, and everyone seems real knowledgable and willing to help out with some great advice!  For someone that is just starting out, this place is a great source of info! 
I myself have not given up on all AW, and never would have thought that I would be looking on the other side of this world for that "someone". 
I haven't been at this too long (about 1 - 2months), but I have met a few UW for certain sites (I wish I would have found this site beforehand!)
Anyway, looking forward to reading more great advice and experiences!

have you researched any countries and do you have any ideas where you might want to go? just curious as I'm doing the same

[ScottinCrimea]

vwrw, sorry, but I understood quite well, thank you.  What I disagreed with was your suggestion to compare qualities of FSUW vs AW, especially based on the opinions of a few.  It would be a useless exercise since most of his opinions would be wrong.  I understand your clarification, but for him to do this because you are curious is not a good enough reason.  It also would be useless to list the qualities he does not want other than things such as kids/no kids, smoking/non-smoking, etc., but these relate to individual women, not nationalities.

Maybe better if he were to list those qualities he wants and we can help him to know if they are more prevalent in the FSU or not.  But still, ultimately, it comes down to each individual woman.  There may be more women in the FSU with those qualities, but they may be harder to find due to the logistics of the whole process.

[docmon]

Hi Topofthekey
The woman I'm currently writing to is in Ukraine.
What about yourself?

[vwrw]

vwrw, sorry, but I understood quite well, thank you.  What I disagreed with was your suggestion to compare qualities of FSUW vs AW, especially based on the opinions of a few. 

Scottin, sorry, but I have to state that NOT only did you not understand me well but your attempt to be a mind-reader was also a complete failure. I asked him to reveal a LIST of the qualities that he was TOLD   UW have. I did NOT ask him to compare anybody, but just to repeat what he was TOLD.


It is said that scrutinizing of Algebra, Calculus and Trigonometry helps people to become more logical, factual and rational, because Math educates them to build disagreements, agreements and arguments in general by basing them on facts, not on hallucinations. Scottin, if you have still not given up on your comprehension skills, try to learn math. Who knows, maybe it will help you. 

[ScottinCrimea]

Scottin, sorry, but I have to state that NOT only did you not understand me well but your attempt to be a mind-reader was also a complete failure. I asked him to reveal a LIST of the qualities that he was TOLD   UW have. I did NOT ask him to compare anybody, but just to repeat what he was TOLD.


It is said that scrutinizing of Algebra, Calculus and Trigonometry helps people to become more logical, factual and rational, because Math educates them to build disagreements, agreements and arguments in general by basing them on facts, not on hallucinations. Scottin, if you have still not given up on your comprehension skills, try to learn math. Who knows, maybe it will help you. 

vwrw, cut the insults and keep to the subject. I'm quite competent in my math skills, thank you.  In fact, I am certified to teach it at all levels.

The only way I, or anyone else, could interpret your suggestion in the way you describe above is to make the very assumptions and perform the mind reading you are accusing me of.  You wrote this:

I think it will be beneficial if you list the qualities what you’re looking for and UW have and the qualities that are in deficiency among AW.

and later this:

In response I asked him to list the qualities he wants but he have not found in AW.  In other words I was curious to know some of the criteria he “measures” women by, exacter, I wished to know a specified segment of the qualities he wants his future wife to have.

Nowhere here do you ask him to list the qualities he was TOLD nor to repeat what he was TOLD.  You specifically tell him to list the qualities HE is looking for and the qualities HE wants that HE has not found in AW.

As far as making comparisons, your first quote asks him to do exactly that, listing qualities that he's looking for that UW have that are deficient in AW.

Maybe I can help you with your pre-algebra?

[KenC]

docmon,
Tell us a little more about yourself please.  We all would like to give you feedback, if we knew which questions you still had.

Welcome to RWD!

I might sugges you read the FAQS section in the upper left corner of the sign in page as a very good starting point.
KenC

[steviej]

Welcome, docmon! You came to the right place. One thing you will notice is that the married guys that participate here are the happiest d*mn husbands I've ever heard yapping about their wives anywhere (me included). Are there significant risks and complications? Oh yes. And some broken hearts and broken dreams as well. And if you ever thought dating in the past was expensive, well ... then welcome to h*ll my man!

Good luck with your pursuit. The FSU ladies (of course, each is very much a separate and different individual) as a group are different than the AWs as a group. You may find those differences better or worse for you, depending on the kind of life and relationship you seek.

[vwrw]

Nowhere here do you ask him to list the qualities he was TOLD nor to repeat what he was TOLD.  You specifically tell him to list the qualities HE is looking for and the qualities HE wants that HE has not found in AW.

It ONLY seemed to you …..that seemed to you because you probably failed to understand what docmon has said.

He said that his friend’s wife TOLD him many qualities of UW. The told qualities were contemplated (by him) to be what he is looking for, and to simultaneously be the qualities he has not found in AW!

In response I asked him to list THE qualities, that is, the qualities he was implying in his post.  

vwrw, cut the insults and keep to the subject. I'm quite competent in my math skills, thank you.  In fact, I am certified to teach it at all levels.

Do you thank me for the seemed insults  Personally, I cannot see any insult in my attempt to help you.

I have read that the level of math’s comprehension, that most American people have, makes the officers of education department to be anxious. I am wondering whether they guess that a cause of this vexing situation might be the teachers who try to educate students to think logically while they themselves are disable to do so.

Maybe I can help you with your pre-algebra?

NO, you cannot. LOL

 Oh, oh, oh, you are even not sure if you are able to help with pre-algebra…. Where did examiners look at, when they were certifying you to teach math at all levels.

[ScottinCrimea]

vwrw, You're attempting to argue logic with someone who has at least twice the experience and twice the education that you have and is much more proficient in the English language.  I don't think you're in a position to try to be condescending.  To attempt it shows your immaturity.

If I'm misunderstanding your post, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute it to your newness in the English language.  If you can't even get the grammar right, how can I expect you to convey the correct meaning?

[Turboguy]

It would be a useless exercise since most of his opinions would be wrong. 

Personally I think that was at least part of the reason for her question.  Sometimes this can be a rather personal topic that some really don't want to share with a bunch of strangers and if Docmon does not care to share that I could surely understand however VWRW's question could lead to some good help for him and some good discussion here.

Those of us who have been fortunate enough to find a good woman would not disagree that there are a lot of qualities that many of us find very desirable that are easier to find there.   There is also a lot of propaganda from the agencies that really has little to do with reality.   If Docmon cares to share those things then we might be able to tell him if it is hype or something realistic.

At his age I think it is also possible to find some good AW.  AW seem to accumulate a lot of baggage at his age there are AW available that don't have all that much.   I hope to he does not confine his search to Ukraine only.  There are good women in some of the Stan's and in Belarus and of course if you ask any Russian woman she will tell you that the women in Russia are far better than the ones in Ukraine.

[vwrw]

vwrw, You're attempting to argue logic with someone who has at least twice the experience and twice the education that you have and is much more proficient in the English language. 

Who are you talking about? I did not attempt to argue logic with someone who has at least twice the experience and twice the education than I have. I was only arguing with you.
 

[steviej]

... if you ask any Russian woman she will tell you that the women in Russia are far better than the ones in Ukraine.

You got that right! There is no love lost between the women of Ukraine and the women of Russia, is there? I wonder what the history behind all that is ??

[topofthekey]

Hi Topofthekey
The woman I'm currently writing to is in Ukraine.
What about yourself?

right now the top i've got Tallinn and Sofia on the top of my list- haven't written to any myself. probably going to take the advice of others and just take a vacation and see whats out there.

[ScottinCrimea]

Who are you talking about? I did not attempt to argue logic with someone who has at least twice the experience and twice the education than I have. I was only arguing with you.
 

Your reply was immature and totally lacking in logic, and you still didn't get the grammar right

[diverboy70]

Hi Docmon!

Im also a newbie! I have been at this for about 3 months, i just wrote a lot of ladies. but nothing felt really right, i had my fair share of scammers and girls that was not really serious! But i finally found this very special girl and we had a wonderful meeting My advice is to not believe any of the agency hype! Just take it as just another date! Girls will be girls all over the world! You will have also have your fair share of oppurtunist just trying yo get your money! Just listen to your instinct, and be prepared to go and meet her!

and good luck!

[Billgreen54]

Just take your time and know that the process of finding someone to love will take time just like any other country.  Be very careful of agencies and girls who are in chat everyday.  It is also OK if you ask the woman you are meeting if she works for a agency.  Also?  I would never trust a interpreter that works for the agency where the lady goes.  I highly recommend you distance yourself from any agency as soon as you feel you are comfortable with the woman you are meeting.  Electronic translators aren't a bad way to go either.