The beautiful women...

[Bruce]

Ah, so you have never been to Russia.   You also are guilty of the cardinal sin of a newbie.  You do not read old posts.  There is a darn good amount of excellent information on this board.  You would also learn a little bit about me if you care to read instead of providing all of your "sunshine" to this board. 

You claim there is little to no difference between Latvian and Russian women.   Maybe, maybe not.  I have never been to Latvia.  I have been to Russia 14 times.  I've been to Ukraine two times.   I happen to be married to a woman from Russia and am currently in the AOS phase.   Am I an expert in love and relationships with RW and women in general?   Certainly not, but who really is?   Do I have a little bit of experience in that part of the world - I tend to think so.   Can I speak for an American involved in the process of travelling to, finding compatible women, bringing back a girl to the USA, marrying her and adjusting to what the BCINS throws my way?  I think I can definitely contribute on all of the above. 

Sunshine?   Try posting something that contributes to a discussion and maybe people like myself would not think you are a troll. 

[Seekandfind]

Ah, so you have never been to Russia.   You also are guilty of the cardinal sin of a newbie.  You do not read old posts.  There is a darn good amount of excellent information on this board.  You would also learn a little bit about me if you care to read instead of providing all of your "sunshine" to this board. 

You claim there is little to no difference between Latvian and Russian women.   Maybe, maybe not.  I have never been to Latvia.  I have been to Russia 14 times.  I've been to Ukraine two times.   I happen to be married to a woman from Russia and am currently in the AOS phase.   Am I an expert in love and relationships with RW and women in general?   Certainly not, but who really is?   Do I have a little bit of experience in that part of the world - I tend to think so.   Can I speak for an American involved in the process of travelling to, finding compatible women, bringing back a girl to the USA, marrying her and adjusting to what the BCINS throws my way?  I think I can definitely contribute on all of the above. 

Sunshine?   Try posting something that contributes to a discussion and maybe people like myself would not think you are a troll. 

I HAVE read many of your posts Bruce, and if you bothered to read my posts instead of scimming them you wouldn´t misquote me all the time. I do think you are one of those in here, who can provide help and valuable advice, that was pretty much my point, but you obviously only read parts of post, before you reply. I actually don´t give a damn if "people like yourself" think I´m a troll. If you think everybody who disagrees with you are trolls, there might be a lot more trolls than you imagine.

[Bruce]

Ah Sunshine, you are starting to make some more sense now.  I apologize for not quoting that you wrote that you had a relationship with a girl 12 years younger than you.   I was just trying to find something you said about yourself.   Either way you stated that the relationship was in the past.  You urge men to go to Western Europe instead of the USA to find women based on your Latvian experience.   Ok, that is your opinion.  What else?  So, tell us about yourself?  You are starting to tie up threads with chatter, which if not intentional is still troll behavior.    I hope you are man enough to look at one persons opinion of what you are doing and adjust accordingly.   Best of luck.

[jb]

For the record, there are, or were, lots of ethnic Russians living in Latvia, as well as the other Baltic States.  It's entirely possible that S&F met, or saw, some RWs while he was there.  The Latvian government has since placed a lot of restriction on those people holding Russian passports and have essentially tried to move them out and back to Russia.  There were a lot of hard feelings towards Russians when the iron curtain came down and the Baltics gained their independance from the USSR. However, those countries are still very much part of the FSU, and old habits will die hard.

Just so we are clear, I have been to the FSU, (Russia and Ukraine) more than 20 times since the early 1980's, and I don't claim to be an expert on matters of the heart when it comes to RWs.  I don't think anyone here has all the answers.

[Bruce]

JB, good information to know. 

Since the entity known as Seekandfind does not volunteer to tell us some more details about his experience in Latvia its hard to know if the girl he dated was "Latvian" or Russian transplant.   When "Seekandfind" reveals more information we will know.  All I ask from Seekandfind is details about himself so we could know something more about why he posts as he does. 

[Seekandfind]

JB, good information to know. 

Since the entity known as Seekandfind does not volunteer to tell us some more details about his experience in Latvia its hard to know if the girl he dated was "Latvian" or Russian transplant.   When "Seekandfind" reveals more information we will know.  All I ask from Seekandfind is details about himself so we could know something more about why he posts as he does. 

What "details" Bruce? Ask and I might answer, or do you expect me to spill my guts and tell you my entire lifestory and filosofies? Once again, I can see you haven´t read my posts, where did I tell you I dated a girl there? I have been out with my share of Russian And Latvian women, but don´t consider myself "experienced" on the FSU matter. The women I have dated there, were women I met there, not in agencies or on the net, but irl. I prefer that. If there is something specific, you would like to know, ask. I might be going their for a couple of years because of work, that is why I am trying to get the scope on Russian life in general, not just Russian women. The only reason I am interested in knowing more about them, is because I am single and might live there, so my future wife COULD be from the FSU, but after reading all these threads, I am reconsidering. My future wife dóesn´t have to be from some particular Country, but since I am going, why not learn all you can about the people there. I doubt iI would ever use an agency or write mails to women, I might not ever see. I prefer the good old way.

[jb]

Before we get to hard on S&F, he's pretty new here, only 43 posts so far.  

This IS his thread, and I think he's entitled to be a tad miffed, and rightly so, when it is hijacked with a lot of really off topic BS.  Other than contributions by KenC, Journeyman, groovlstk, and perhaps one or two others, we have our usual three pages of garbage.

I agree that knowing more about the posters would be nice, but that is the nature of the board.  Personal information is an option, not a requirement.

[Seekandfind]

Before we get to hard on S&F, he's pretty new here, only 43 posts so far.

This IS his thread, and I think he's entitled to be a tad miffed, and rightly so, when it is hijacked with a lot of really off topic BS. Other than contributions by KenC, Journeyman, groovlstk, and perhaps one or two others, we have our usual three pages of garbage.

I agree that knowing more about the posters would be nice, but that is the nature of the board. Personal information is an option, not a requirement.

Thank you jb, your advise and comments are appreciated.

[Michelangelo]

Before we get to hard on S&F, he's pretty new here, only 43 posts so far.

This IS his thread, and I think he's entitled to be a tad miffed, and rightly so, when it is hijacked with a lot of really off topic BS. nature of the board.

dear jb: I just reread the whole board, and I think it is on topic.  If you are talking about the "chemistry" discussion, how is that not about what seekand find named the thread (The beautiful women...) ???  I guess it's all about definitions again, but I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and chemistry is what makes a girl  "beautiful"  to me...

I'd suggest that S&F use a more specific description and a subtitle if he wants more specific discussion...

[jb]

If you are talking about the "chemistry" discussion, how is that not about what seekand find named the thread

Nope,,, wasn't speaking to that, although it is probably a topic worthy of it's own thread.

[Bruce]

SF - If you are going to live there you definitely should meet girls in the course of living your life.   If you live and work in Latvia I am sure most guys on this board would be envious of your situation.   I have no particular questions to ask you.   Guys tend to get what they give.

[jb]

What I got out of S&F's thread was a warning to men involved in internet dating.  He speaks to the propensity of men to judge women based upon her looks alone.  I guess we men are all guilty of this to some greater or smaller degree.  "If she looks that good, how can she be so bad?"  I fully agree with this, I know it to be a fact of life.  I even married one such woman.  She was a Miss America runner-up, had the most angelic face, a body made for sin, and a brain the size of a peanut.  Even worse, she didn't have a truthful bone in her body, or the ability to say "No" when she got offered a BBD.  Being young and good looking doesn't necessarily equate to having good moral character or of being good wife material.

Men, especially older men, should view these profiles of young 9's and 10's looking for a man 20+ years her senior with a very jaundiced eye.

Edit:
For clarification purposes, BBD = Bigger Better Deal. A more wealthy, a younger, perhaps a better looking significant other. In my case, the "BBD" was a California fashion photograher whom she had met through the Miss America contest orginazation, he introduced her to a lifestyle I couldn't compete with. Because she was of weak moral character she went for the BBD.

[PeeWee]

What I got out of S&F's thread was a warning to men involved in internet dating. He speaks to the propensity of men to judge women based upon her looks alone. I guess we men are all guilty of this to some greater or smaller degree. "If she looks that good, how can she be so bad?" I fully agree with this, I know it to be a fact of life. I even married one such woman. She was a Miss America runner-up, had the most angelic face, a body made for sin, and a brain the size of a peanut. Even worse, she didn't have a truthful bone in her body, or the ability to say "No" when she got offered a BBD. Being young and good looking doesn't necessarily equate to having good moral character or of being good wife material.

Men, especially older men, should view these profiles of young 9's and 10's looking for a man 20+ years her senior with a very jaundiced eye.

Edit:
For clarification purposes, BBD = Bigger Better Deal. A more wealthy, a younger, perhaps a better looking significant other. In my case, the "BBD" was a California fashion photograher whom she had met through the Miss America contest orginazation, he introduced her to a lifestyle I couldn't compete with. Because she was of weak moral character she went for the BBD.

Is the first attraction a physical one? I think we look for the attractive one and then hope that she has the rest of the package. Looks, brains, personality, honesty. The more qualities that you add the harder it is to find the perfect one, so we then compromise. For some looks out weighs brains. For others honesty more important than personality. I look for the attractive one that is also vivasious. I really don't caremuch if she has brains or not. But at least 100 IQ. But I will not go fat.

 

PeeWee

[jb]

I should have also said that when the above mentiond marriage took place I was only 24 y.o. and she was 20.  Even though I had just graduated from college and thought I knew a great deal, relationshipwise I was about as smart as a box of rocks. I have since learned a little bit about human nature.

In my experience, when dumb girls run out of things to say to a man, they pull down their panties.  They somehow know that's a sure fire way to keep a man's attention focused on them for a while longer.

[KenC]

In my experience, when dumb girls run out of things to say to a man, they pull down their panties. They somehow know that's a sure fire way to keep a man's attention focused on them for a while longer

jb,

That is too funny.  And true, too.

KenC

[jb]

It also applies to girls who don't share a common language with the man she's interested in.  It keeps the poor fool thinking with his little head.

[Michelangelo]

It also applies to girls who don't share a common language with the man she's interested in.  It keeps the poor fool thinking with his little head.

In terms of common language....my girl told me that that talking English made her head hurt and that we spoke the same language  in bed

[jb]

Michael,

You are starting to understand.  You and she only had one medium of communication, and that was purely physical.

Any fool with a HS education knows that if you push all the right buttons, any girl will get wet.  Great beginners sex does not mean you will have a great long lasting marriage.  You kinda have to be able to actually talk to them to make a marriage work.

I wish more men could be brought to understand this fundamental concept.  

[Michelangelo]

Michael,

You are starting to understand.  You and she only had one medium of communication, and that was purely physical.

Any fool with a HS education knows that if you push all the right buttons, any girl will get wet.  Great beginners sex does not mean you will have a great long lasting marriage.  You kinda have to be able to actually talk to them to make a marriage work.

I wish more men could be brought to understand this fundamental concept.  

I learned pretty quickly to never date girls who did not speak any English...it's hard to get alone with them  And then I learned that you better date a girl who speaks pretty good English...or they will get mad at you for no reason!  Misunderstandings, misunderstandings...

[ConnerVT]

 And then I learned that you better date a girl who speaks pretty good English...or they will get mad at you for no reason!

They all do that.  They're woman, right? 

[jb]

God ~! I hate being awakened at 2:00 AM and asked why something went a miss.  And that's from a woman who has been here a few years and knows the ropes.

Women are women.  Pure and simple... No mater where they are from.

[Michelangelo]

God ~! I hate being awakened at 2:00 AM and asked why something went a miss.  And that's from a woman who has been here a few years and knows the ropes.

Women are women.  Pure and simple... No mater where they are from.

TRUE, but when you add culture and limited English to the mix, it is amplified

[Rvrwind]

TRUE, but when you add culture and limited English to the mix, it is amplified

When I first met my Valya she knew about 6 words in English.

What she did know on top of that was that she liked me & wanted to be with me & for the next 6 months until I returned she busted her hump learning English. She still takes English classes 2X a week. If I had taken her back to Canada she would be fluent by now but for the most part I am the only one she talks English to, everybody else its Russian so she has not gotten extremly fluent but continues to try just as I continue to try & learn Russian.

Neither one of us is proficient but we understand each other.

To pass up a woman initialy because she doesn't speak English is foolish. These ladies for the most part learn quickly & if they want to be with you bad enough they will push the envelope to learn. There are some real gems that only need the right guy to come along & they will learn, quickly.

Now your gonna ask why they don't learn beforhand? Right? Well I'll answer that right now & this his from the horses mouths so to speak. Most of these women will never meet a foreign man, the next percentage may meet one or two in their lifetime, the most part of them will never go abroad. So that being said, why take time away from their jobs & family to learn a language that they have a 1 in 100,000 chance of ever needing.

So they wait for the right guy & then they bust their hump to learn, simple mathmatics. But believe me they learn quickly & I personally know of some really great ladies that don't speak English but would make fabulous wives & learn the language very fast. 

Actually many of them learned it in school but without practise have forgotten it but it doesn't take much to awaken the sleeping giant. A lot of our friends don't speak English but many of them understand me because they remember from school. I speak very little Russian but I understand much so to have a conversation is not difficult unless you make it so.

RVR

Canadian Cowboy

[Bruno]

I learned pretty quickly to never date girls who did not speak any English...it's hard to get alone with them And then I learned that you better date a girl who speaks pretty good English...or they will get mad at you for no reason! Misunderstandings, misunderstandings...

Good English or not, she can always learn it later ...

One big advantage from woman who don't speak very good english... they have more difficult to lie to you because they don't have the knowledge of language for this

Now one of the lady's i have meet or date have speak good english at the start... some have learn from herself very fast...

Maybe i don't feel it like a problem because here in Europe, we have several language used... only in my little country, with a population equal to these of Moscow, we have 3 national language !!!

Larisa was using translator two month ago when i have know her... now, two month after, we chat each day one or two hours... without translator or help...

About misunderstanding, this appear too when the woman is perfect in your language...

PS : It is only my own meaning... maybe it is only working for a European like me who have always life in place where people use other languages ... and this from my children time...

 
Edit : You are fast for reply Canada Cowboy... i think like you about language...

[Rvrwind]

Exactly Bruno...There are some real gems here that don't speak English and to pass them by for that wellll...lets just say you could be passing up a lady that would make you a better wife than you could ever imagine.

LikeBruno I feel the ones that are proficient in English have an agenda. Not all but many of them. They can can tell you what you want to hear and manipulate the relationship to their advantage. They can lie to you & deceive you & tell you only what you need to know.

This is also very true when hiring interpreters & translators. That is why many guys hook up with agency interpreters because they don't know what she is saying to the lady he is conversing with & can manipulate the situation to hook up with the guy herself. I've seen it many times.

RVR

Canadian Cowboy