The beautiful women...

[Seekandfind]

A lot of the threads in here are about how attractive RW are, yet nobody will admit that looks have a lot to do with some of the men here seeking a RW. Girls that most men in here wouldn´t have a shot at in a million years.

But are they really so much better looking in the FSU than in...say Europe? South America? I agree most AW look like ****, spend too much time eating junkfood, complaining and seeing Oprah, but I truly believe it´s different in Europe. I´ve spent plenty of years both in the Us and Europe. Although Europeans are catching on and obesity is no longer rare to see, the women here are still much more fit and look way better than the average AW. Well not all of them, but Scandianvians in my opinion are the best looking of them all.

A friend of mine has been relocated to Latvia setting up a big company there for the next three years, and I have visited him a few times. The first time I went, I had the typical western "glasses" on, and thought I was going to be the God of Latvia, when I arrived. Boy, was I in for a big surprise. IMHO opinion there is no difference in what a  young Western or Eastern European woman wants. I am talking about the young hot babes here, take a look at the women 30+ in Fsu, I don´t see too many babes in that age group. They might be slimmer than the average AM, but they are not babes. The big difference is the lack of knowledge from both sides. I learned that the women between 20-30 in Latvia had very much learned that the west isn´t all it´s pumped up to be, they seemed very realistic about it, and very very few of them would ever dream of leaving their Country, and the only ones who would either date or marry a western man much older were prostitutes. Good looking and perfect bodies, but still prostitutes.

My point is, if you want a beautiful young babe, with a hot bod, you don´t have to go all the way to Eastern Europe. You can go to Western Europe. When I was in Latvia the first time, my jaws dropped, I couldn´t believe how many great looking young women there were, I thought I´d gone to heaven. When I got back home I was sure I´d look at the women here, with a totally changed view. But the thing is, I started to notice that whenever I walk the city here, I´m walking into people and things, simply because my heads is turning every second. We always think the grass is greener on the other side, but you gotto check your own lawn first. No matter what, if you want a young hot looking Estern or Western European girl, just make sure you bring a hell of a lot of cash, cause that is what it takes to get the young hot ones here, but it is possible. Getting a hot babe from Western Europe will also ensure that your lady can speak English, can use her education, and she will know exactly what she is going in to.

I am sure there is a big difference in eastern countries, and I am sure some of the people living there, in the small villages, are uneducated about the west, but people in larger cities are very well educated. If you think you´re the man, and that they want you and not your wallet, try not to spend a dime on them....pssst...they´re GONE!!!

 I am in my mid thirties, have always dated very good looking women, the last relationship I had was with a beautiful girl 12 years younger than me. I ended it, not her. Simply because we were at different stages in our lives. I never actually felt the age difference, but kept thinking that is wasn´r right somehow.

Yes, I want a good looking woman my self, I´m guilty! I don´t give a damn where she is from ,as long as she is tall, blond, slim, intelligent and a person I can respect and relate to. I would love to find a beautiful, intelligent girl in her mid 20s, with old values, but this is 2005.

Although it may be possible to find in some remote village in Russia, it´ll only last until the minute they arrive to a western country or within a year or two. I think we could avoid a lot of scamming, if people in here stopped kidding themselves and started being realistic. I think Americans for too long have been brainwashed to believe that the US is "God´s Country", and to believe they are superior. IMHO that is the true weakness of the USA, and that is why they have become so unpopular in Europe over the past 2 decades. I am a US citizen myself, 20 years ago Americans were looked up to, now they are looked down on. 20-30 years ago most Europeans only knew through television what USA was all about. But the world is MUCH MUCH SMALLER today, and pretty much everyone I know here has been to the US. Eastern Europe is like Western Europe 20 years ago, they will catch up real soon, believe me.

I have no idea if it´s true, but it seems to me that most of the succesful marriages between AM and RW are with AM who have lived abroad for a while, while the AM who hardly ever leaves the Country has a totally unrealistic idea of what is going on elswhere in the world, so he is real easy to scam. I heard that a couple of times in Latvia from some women I met on some of my trips.

Hope I didn´t offend anyone, I just had a little time to kill.

 

 

[jb]

Hope I didn´t offend anyone, I just had a little time to kill.

Your post certainly doesn't offend me, you are merely repeating what I, and others, have been saying for years.

[PeeWee]

Hope I didn´t offend anyone, I just had a little time to kill.

Your post certainly doesn't offend me, you are merely repeating what I, and others, have been saying for years.[/quote]
I  have traveled all over the world many times. the women in every country are beautiful. Why RW? Why not German women? Why not Swedish women? I just arrived from a week long stay in Moscow. While the women dress nice I did not notice any more attractive women per capita there than I did when I was in New yorkcity 6 weeks ago. If you really want to find a strong concentration of attractive women then LA is the place to go. have any of us thought to look there? I think what the attraction is is that the good looking RW are esier to get than are other women. And why is that? You complete your own answer.

At first I thought it. All  I had to go by was the Internet agency. Now I see for myself. I happened to meet a great looking woman. Her beauty is her strength because her aloogness and arogance is her weekness.  She is one of the most intimidating women that i have ever met. I have met a lot of women over the years. And there in lies the attraction. A beautul, aloof, arrogant, intimidating RW who offers a guy like me a trendous challenge. Don't mistake what I just said. this is not a game for me. It is what I like about her. Not that I need the conquest. That already happened a long time ago and I am still with her and still fascinated by her.

PeeWee

 

[Seekandfind]

Hope I didn´t offend anyone, I just had a little time to kill.

Your post certainly doesn't offend me, you are merely repeating what I, and others, have been saying for years.[/quote]
I  have traveled all over the world many times. the women in every country are beautiful. Why RW? Why not German women? Why not Swedish women? I just arrived from a week long stay in Moscow. While the women dress nice I did not notice any more attractive women per capita there than I did when I was in New yorkcity 6 weeks ago. If you really want to find a strong concentration of attractive women then LA is the place to go. have any of us thought to look there? I think what the attraction is is that the good looking RW are esier to get than are other women. And why is that? You complete your own answer.

At first I thought it. All  I had to go by was the Internet agency. Now I see for myself. I happened to meet a great looking woman. Her beauty is her strength because her aloogness and arogance is her weekness.  She is one of the most intimidating women that i have ever met. I have met a lot of women over the years. And there in lies the attraction. A beautul, aloof, arrogant, intimidating RW who offers a guy like me a trendous challenge. Don't mistake what I just said. this is not a game for me. It is what I like about her. Not that I need the conquest. That already happened a long time ago and I am still with her and still fascinated by her.

PeeWee

[/quote]Did she name you PeeWee?

[PeeWee]

Hope I didn´t offend anyone, I just had a little time to kill.

Your post certainly doesn't offend me, you are merely repeating what I, and others, have been saying for years.[/quote]
I  have traveled all over the world many times. the women in every country are beautiful. Why RW? Why not German women? Why not Swedish women? I just arrived from a week long stay in Moscow. While the women dress nice I did not notice any more attractive women per capita there than I did when I was in New yorkcity 6 weeks ago. If you really want to find a strong concentration of attractive women then LA is the place to go. have any of us thought to look there? I think what the attraction is is that the good looking RW are esier to get than are other women. And why is that? You complete your own answer.

At first I thought it. All  I had to go by was the Internet agency. Now I see for myself. I happened to meet a great looking woman. Her beauty is her strength because her aloogness and arogance is her weekness.  She is one of the most intimidating women that i have ever met. I have met a lot of women over the years. And there in lies the attraction. A beautul, aloof, arrogant, intimidating RW who offers a guy like me a trendous challenge. Don't mistake what I just said. this is not a game for me. It is what I like about her. Not that I need the conquest. That already happened a long time ago and I am still with her and still fascinated by her.

PeeWee

[/quote]Did she name you PeeWee?[/quote]
Pee Wee from my formative years. I later named my boat Pee Wee, because it was small. When I got a larger boat I named it Big Pee Wee.   If you are referng to my wee then I should be known as Big Wee. What's Jumbo Shrimp?

PeeWee

[Seekandfind]

Hope I didn´t offend anyone, I just had a little time to kill.

Your post certainly doesn't offend me, you are merely repeating what I, and others, have been saying for years.[/quote]
I  have traveled all over the world many times. the women in every country are beautiful. Why RW? Why not German women? Why not Swedish women? I just arrived from a week long stay in Moscow. While the women dress nice I did not notice any more attractive women per capita there than I did when I was in New yorkcity 6 weeks ago. If you really want to find a strong concentration of attractive women then LA is the place to go. have any of us thought to look there? I think what the attraction is is that the good looking RW are esier to get than are other women. And why is that? You complete your own answer.

At first I thought it. All  I had to go by was the Internet agency. Now I see for myself. I happened to meet a great looking woman. Her beauty is her strength because her aloogness and arogance is her weekness.  She is one of the most intimidating women that i have ever met. I have met a lot of women over the years. And there in lies the attraction. A beautul, aloof, arrogant, intimidating RW who offers a guy like me a trendous challenge. Don't mistake what I just said. this is not a game for me. It is what I like about her. Not that I need the conquest. That already happened a long time ago and I am still with her and still fascinated by her.

PeeWee

[/quote]Did she name you PeeWee?[/quote]
Pee Wee from my formative years. I later named my boat Pee Wee, because it was small. When I got a larger boat I named it Big Pee Wee.   If you are referng to my wee then I should be known as Big Wee. What's Jumbo Shrimp?

PeeWee
[/quote]I wasn´t reffering  to anything...

[BC]

Seekandfind,

You are quite correct.. they are everywhere.  Having lived in both Europe and USA  for extended periods, never has there been a lack of enchanting women in any country I have lived in..  Here in the west though you have to get off your butt and ask the woman out to start anything at all.. that's the difference. Some women here might place a personal ad or even an internet ad but not many will even think of the meetmarket situation like in FSU and very few other countries.  They look for men and not foreigners.

If I were going for looks, it would be south Spain.. there is something about women with long black hair and those very light blue/grey eyes that make a man melt on the spot.  Met some of the most uninhibited, free thinking,  fun women there. 

Believe it or not, I was also very impressed with women in Turkey for looks and mentality.  Very sweet and kind women dressed as sexy as in RU (after all most good clothes in FSU are imported from Turkey)

To be honest it was the accent and RU mystery that first caught my immediate attention when my wife 'sideswiped' me... Yes, imho she is very beautiful and sexy but it was a combination of other qualities that set the hook.  Like a good book with a catchy cover and title.. once I got through the first chapter I could not put it down..

Yes FSU has very beautiful women too as I later found out but I wouldn't rank it #1

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PeeWee]

Hope I didn´t offend anyone, I just had a little time to kill.

Your post certainly doesn't offend me, you are merely repeating what I, and others, have been saying for years.[/quote]
I  have traveled all over the world many times. the women in every country are beautiful. Why RW? Why not German women? Why not Swedish women? I just arrived from a week long stay in Moscow. While the women dress nice I did not notice any more attractive women per capita there than I did when I was in New yorkcity 6 weeks ago. If you really want to find a strong concentration of attractive women then LA is the place to go. have any of us thought to look there? I think what the attraction is is that the good looking RW are esier to get than are other women. And why is that? You complete your own answer.

At first I thought it. All  I had to go by was the Internet agency. Now I see for myself. I happened to meet a great looking woman. Her beauty is her strength because her aloogness and arogance is her weekness.  She is one of the most intimidating women that i have ever met. I have met a lot of women over the years. And there in lies the attraction. A beautul, aloof, arrogant, intimidating RW who offers a guy like me a trendous challenge. Don't mistake what I just said. this is not a game for me. It is what I like about her. Not that I need the conquest. That already happened a long time ago and I am still with her and still fascinated by her.

PeeWee

[/quote]Did she name you PeeWee?[/quote]
Pee Wee from my formative years. I later named my boat Pee Wee, because it was small. When I got a larger boat I named it Big Pee Wee.   If you are referng to my wee then I should be known as Big Wee. What's Jumbo Shrimp?

PeeWee
[/quote]I wasn´t reffering  to anything...[/quote]
Well then, to answer your question, no, she did not name me Pee Wee. Had she named me it would have been Pee Vee, don't you think?

 

Pee Wee

[groovlstk]

I learned that the women between 20-30 in Latvia had very much learned that the west isn´t all it´s pumped up to be, they seemed very realistic about it, and very very few of them would ever dream of leaving their Country, and the only ones who would either date or marry a western man much older were prostitutes. Good looking and perfect bodies, but still prostitutes.

I'd say it's less an aspect of education about America than simple economics. Latvian women don't need to look abroad, they have plenty of local men to choose from who can provide them with a comfortable life.

It's not to say that Ukrainian and Russian girls looking for a Western man are materialistic. One thing that struck me when I was there was the difficulty that many women had in finding a responsible man, particularly 30ish girls, who are considered old maids with few prospects. Whenever I met a female friend of a women I met there, almost invariably they told me they didn't have a boyfriend (and most were very attractive).

[ConnerVT]

 What's Jumbo Shrimp?

A larger than average really small thing?... 

[PeeWee]

 What's Jumbo Shrimp?

A larger than average really small thing?... 
[/quote]
Which begs the next question, who is the worlds largest midget? I'd be the world's smarted mental midget, I do believe.

PeeWee

[Photo Guy]

I went to Kyiv in April to discover something. I wasn't sure exactly what it would be. I didn't pursue RW with the idea that THIS IS what I wanted, or that RW are superior to AW. Instead, I was exploring new territory. I noticed that the girls in southern California were different than east coast women. I was curious to see who these RW were. I think beautful RW are a little more 'approachable' than their American counterpart.  I think RW are more honest about what they want, and that can include better financial conditions, and other material considerations. They have a refreshing directness and a spiritual quality that I can't describe.

I CAN attract some young beautiful AW, so it isn't all about that. It's more about finding the right chemistry with an attractive AND mature woman. It seems that in life, if you do not try too hard, the right woman will appear in your life.  Your radar just has to be in a receptive mode.
It's hard to explain. This entire RW experience has opened my mind to eastern Europe,and its culture and history.
A mysterious woman in Ukaine has all of my attention.

Contrast this with a AW, who recently told me that she 'loved me', and this was right after an argument we had.
I had known her for years. Our chemistry was pretty bad, although there was good sexual chemistry at times (years ago). We both knew the same language, and yet, we couldn't communicate. We don't know each other very well.  I've seen that kind of thing many times with AW. And with this Ukrainian woman we both do communicate respect and adoration well. This happens, even with a huge language barrier.  

[Albert]

Many have spoken very true words here, and some are still into BSing us and themselves about the great virtues of gals from various places.

In more concise terms: Our attraction to FSU women is because we can trade up a few notches with regard to several variables.

Their attraction to us is even simpler:  Its the economics stupid.

[Photo Guy]

Albert's conclusions:

With FSU women, men can 'trade up a few notches'.

and FSU are attracted to better economic conditions.

Okay, sure, but it's was too simplistic. It's like saying life is all about 'trading up' and 'economics'. I think it's a silly way of looking at a complex world. The 'trading up' comment sort of says that men are only interested in the Wife as Trophy, factor. The second comment is true to a degree, but again it's an over-simplification. It is so simple that it  exposes a kind of cynicism, doesn't it? Isn't 'love' a factor? Romance? I'm sure it is. The world is your own creation, to a large extent. If you see things only in terms of 'trophy' and 'cash', your projection will create your reality. Good luck with that.

Your conclusions reveal more about your inner world than the outer world.

[Journeyman]

and the only ones who would either date or marry a western man much older were prostitutes. Good looking and perfect bodies, but still prostitutes.

It has been very interesting to observe the increasing numbers of such gals offering themselves via profiles on the Internet.  Strikingly beautiful women.  Sometimes absolutely stunning (although also sometimes over-the-top sexy).  Usually impecably dressed, and somewhere around  the ages of 27 and 33.  Yup. Hard to compete with the 20-year old doxies when you are approaching 30.  Even the usual alternatives such as Italy, Turkey, Isreal, and Japan are no longer as interested as they once were.

Being forced into "retirement" along with other dismissed, 30-something, but still-striking, blondish molls that once adorned the arms of New-Russian men as "kept women," they now decide to sign up for a new kind of foreign affair:

Name:    Ruslana (as stunning and photogenic as ever)
Age:     30
Height:  175 cm -- 5 ft 8"
Weight:  57 kg -- 127 lbs
Body:    Slender
Hair:    Blonde
Marital Status:  Never married
Children:    None
Education:   Some college
Occupation:  Unemployed
Smoker:      Yes
Drinker:     Yes
Languages:   English (excellent); Italian (some); Turkish (good)
Seeks Partner:  30 to 60 years old
About Myself:  Beautiful, fun, sexual, stylish, enjoying an active lifestyle and the finer things in life.
Looking for:  Financially secure, generous, knows how to treat a lady, who is willing to support me and accept me as I am. Looking for my soul mate.

Was it one of Murphy's Laws ?  "If something seems too good to be true, it usually and probably is."

BTW, has anybody spotted the infamous prostitute that recently showed up on Elena's Models?  Some of you who have been perusing MOB web sits for 3 or 4 years should recognize her.  She's been a notable call girl in St. Petersburg since at least 2002, appearing on escort agency web sites.  If you think you know, post her index number in your reply.  I'll give you a hint -- her name is Olga.

Journeyman

[jb]

I think Andrew alluded to this topic (of prostitutes) a couple of years ago when he was living in St. Pete.  I even took him to task for making some rather blanket accusations regarding this as I thought his percentages of girls listed with MOB agencies who were also plying the profession were way too high.

I may have been wrong to argue with him.

However, I think a man can exercise some common sense as he makes his own observations.  There are a few undeniable rules that apply almost universally across the FSU.  Good girls, especially young ones, live at home with their parents until they marry.  If you are involved with one of those stunningly beautiful young women who has never been married and she has a well furnished flat with all the trimming, you can bet there was a sponsor, or several sponsors who paid for it.  I often hear the comment that "the building she lives in looks like hell, but her flat was very beautifully furnished".  Ask yourself, on a 200-300 dollar per month salary, how can anyone afford the trappings of success?

Personally I'd be suspicious of any young girl living alone, regardless of what her flat looked like.

Edit: For example.....

Contrast the profile listed above for Ruslana with this one from another very pretty 30 y.o.
http://www.elenasmodels.com/index.php?ap=11948

[Seekandfind]

The last time I was in Riga, I rented a 4bdr apartment in a worn down building, but the apartment looked great great on the inside. I rented it from a young Dolly Parton lookalike. She was tiny, slim and blond and had HUGE breasts:shock:, it looked ridiculous and I was wondering how she had made the money to pay for them, since I heard they all made so little. Well actually I didn´t wonder, I just assumed she was a high class whore, although she didn´t quite look like a model, she looked a bit to "used". Before I left I asked her what her profession was, and she told me she was unemployed, had this apartment, another one, and a beachhouse about half an hour outside Riga. She told me the apartment was going up for sale. Price? 400000 US dollars, she had paid 200000 two years ago. She also told me that her beachhouse had costed her 700000 US dollars two years ago and would probably get about a million us dollars for it now. The point of all of this? She had lived in San Fransisco for three years with her American husband, and was recently divorced. Poor SOB, I  hope he got to enjoy those balloons for a while, he certainly got to pay for it, that´s for sure.

[KenC]

[user=134]Photo Guy[/user] wrote:

Albert's conclusions:

With FSU women, men can 'trade up a few notches'.

and FSU are attracted to better economic conditions.

Okay, sure, but it's was too simplistic. It's like saying life is all about 'trading up' and 'economics'. I think it's a silly way of looking at a complex world. The 'trading up' comment sort of says that men are only interested in the Wife as Trophy, factor. The second comment is true to a degree, but again it's an over-simplification. It is so simple that it exposes a kind of cynicism, doesn't it? Isn't 'love' a factor? Romance? I'm sure it is. The world is your own creation, to a large extent. If you see things only in terms of 'trophy' and 'cash', your projection will create your reality. Good luck with that.

Your conclusions reveal more about your inner world than the outer world.

Photodude,

I think Albert is right on the money with his assessment.  I know that you are a hopeless romantic and always looking for deeper meanings to life, but follow my explanation for a bit.

Men have been attracted to young beautiful women from the beginning of time.  It is man's nature to seek the most beautiful woman he can possibly be with.  With the advent of the Internet and the opening of the fsu countries, many AM are free to pursue prettier and younger women from these countries than they are used to in America.  To add to the plus side, these women tend to be better educated, more cultural, have a different (better) attitude toward men in general.  Another big factor in making RW so appealing is that they are not necessarily put off by men that are significantly older.  Why is that true?

Because women are attracted to men that can provide a good life for them.  Again this is only human nature.  AM are desireable because they come from America, the land of milk and honey.  Surely every AM lives a life like they see on the Santa Barbara soap opera that is so popular there.  To add to the plus side for them is the fact that AM are less likely to be drunkards, abusive husbands and in general terms have been conditioned to treat women with respect and as equals.

Now if you can accept that what I wrote is some what true, let us address the romance and love issue that you bring up.  Do you think that there is only one woman in this world that you can possibly fall in love with?  I don't.  I think you find love where you look for it.  If you look for love exclusively in America, you will find it eventually.  If you look for it in a fsu country, you will find it there also.

I know that you probably view me as a hard ass, but I will let you in on a secrete.  I would only marry for love.  No matter how young or how beautiful a woman may be, I would have to be in love with her to marry.  And I would also have to be convinced that she was in love with me.  I have said this before; I was never seeking such a young wife as I now have.  In fact I think her youth is a negative.  On the other hand, I had always dreamed of having a beautiful wife.  I think that is only human nature.

My wife is very much an idealest.  She would only marry for love too.  I had to be sure of that before I married her.  That is why I took my time.  She had had many an opportunity to marry both Russian or American men that were much younger and much richer than I.

Albert's assessment of the situation is correct.  But it only defines why each group is attracted to each other, not the criteria for individual selection.  That is where many guys and RW get off track.  They think that any AM or any RW will do.  They don't understand that the individual selection from with in their target group is essential to ultimate success.

KenC

(I didn't address the romance angle because it is naturally inherent in the process of meeting and wooing a woman from a foriegn country)

[Rvrwind]

Hope I didn´t offend anyone, I just had a little time to kill.

Your post certainly doesn't offend me, you are merely repeating what I, and others, have been saying for years.

No matter where you go, there you are!!!

The same goes for women. women are women no matter where they are from or where they are going they are still women!!! Tall, short, fat, thin, chunky, humorus, itelligent, dense, attractive, ugly, medeocre, the same attributes they asign us can be found in them in any country in the world.

As to the question of why RW? Well for me it was simple, I love the accent, plain & simple.

RVR

Canadian Cowboy

[Bruno]

Hope they don't see the "Simpson" or the family "Bud bundies" :D:D

And for the rest, your personal case, your are a lucky guy... enjoy it to the maximum

 

[Journeyman]

jb wrote:

However, I think a man can exercise some common sense as he makes his own observations. There are a few undeniable rules that apply almost universally across the FSU.

Indeed, this is the basic problem.  But so many men turn off their radar upon landing in the FSU  -- almost all first-timers who are going on tours or through agencies.  I did too on my first FSU visit, but learned fast.

We can convince ourselves of so many things, including the idea that a stunningly beautiful, 30ish, never married, childless, uneducated, unemployed, multilingual, well-traveled and impeccably dressed lady has waited her whole life to meet an average joe like me cause there just aren't enough nice guys in the FSU.  Many variations on that theme, of course.

I think Andrew alluded to this topic (of prostitutes) a couple of years ago when he was living in St. Pete. I even took him to task for making some rather blanket accusations regarding this as I thought his percentages of girls listed with MOB agencies who were also plying the profession were way too high.

I may have been wrong to argue with him.

jb, I was also not entirely happy when I first read some of the things Andrew posted a few years back.  There were few encouraging words in his posts.  However, I would readily admit now that his views were much closer to the mark than what I was thinking during my first foray into the FSU (or even shortly afterwards).  Influenced by agency propaganda, I had initially embraced the notion of visiting the FSU with the idea that the primal sex-for-money basis for the marriage contract would be minimized, only to find the opposite.

Bruno, I think that even KenC would agree that the chances of his kind of pairing happening again are somewhere between slim and none.  Unless, as was pointed out above, if you have the requisite cash, and can pay the now highly inflated prices.  I first landed in the FSU in 2001, and was encountering girls who were still a little eager due to the then-still-recent 1998 ruble devaluation.  That seems like ancient history now.

Journeyman

[Photo Guy]

Albert's assessment of the situation is correct. But it only defines why each group is attracted to each other, not the criteria for individual selection.  That is where many guys and RW get off track.  They think that any AM or any RW will do.  They don't understand that the individual selection from with in their target group is essential to ultimate success.

KenC

(I didn't address the romance angle because it is naturally inherent in the process of meeting and wooing a woman from a foriegn country)

KenC, I added some color. Those are huge points that aren't usually made. I agree. In my opinion, the additional points that you added to Albert's, are extremely important and that IS WHERE MANY GUYS GO WRONG. They don't know exactly what they want or exactly what person will be 'correct' for them as a long-term romance.

A problem that keeps on popping up, is the problem of how a guy presents himself to her, as 'financial security'. How this is attempted can result in nightmarish results. I think it's a huge mistake to completely support a RW. Before she met you, she was living without your cash. Turning her into a 'dependent' early in the relationship is a big mistake. It makes the 'financial security' issue way too important - throws it all out of balance.  

Beauty? I think it's fantastic that you found a totally gorgeous babe who is right for you. I've known very gorgeous women who were egocentric bitches. I'm stating the obvious: Her personality is, or should be a huge factor. We have all known very cute women, who were more 'attractive' than the ultimate extremely gorgeous woman who has a personality that is 'not right' for us. I often see guys who go wrong, by latching onto a beautiful woman, who turns out to be someone who is not appropriate for them. The guy often tolerates abusive behavior and justifies it by thinking that he's attained a mate with beauty that he values. Physical attraction is a no brainer. Instead, guys should focus on less obvious qualities, like kindness, joy, fun, honesty, respect, and adoration based on a multitude of qualities.[/size]

[Photo Guy]

KenC also wrote:
'Now if you can accept that what I wrote is some what true, let us address the romance and love issue that you bring up.  Do you think that there is only one woman in this world that you can possibly fall in love with?  I don't.  I think you find love where you look for it.  If you look for love exclusively in America, you will find it eventually.  If you look for it in a fsu country, you will find it there also.'

I agree. -except for the last two sentences. It may be true for you or for me, but look at the experiences of many guys here at RWD. Have they found love? Will they find it eventually? There are many topics, but it all revolves around finding that romance, that wife. You, KenC, have found her, but it sounds so easy, to say that if you look for it, you will eventually find it.

I think there are people here who do NOT know how to look for it. The ones that DO KNOW, do not need advice or guidance. Why can one guy find it and another not?

[KenC]

KenC, I added some color. Those are huge points that aren't usually made. I agree. In my opinion, the additional points that you added to Albert's, are extremely important and that IS WHERE MANY GUYS GO WRONG. They don't know exactly what they want or exactly what person will be 'correct' for them as a long-term romance. Most guys do not have the time or money to find the "right" woman from a fsu country.  It takes a lot of effort or a lot of luck.  I look at guys where fate was involved in their meeting their wives (jb, BC)  I was very lucky, but there are others that truely took the time to search for the right partner. (Bruce went over so many times that your head would spin.  He even looked in some towns twice.)  A lot of guys just settle for the first RW that will have them.  And that is why they ultimately fail too.

A problem that keeps on popping up, is the problem of how a guy presents himself to her, as 'financial security'. How this is attempted can result in nightmarish results. I think it's a huge mistake to completely support a RW. Before she met you, she was living without your cash. Turning her into a 'dependent' early in the relationship is a big mistake. It makes the 'financial security' issue way too important - throws it all out of balance. Why any guys thinks it is necessary to support a Russian girlfriend is beyond me.  I think it goes to the mentality that they are buying the girl.  I can understand buying gifts and providing for expenses that your relationship incures like English classes, but not a regular dollar amount for an allowance.

Beauty? I think it's fantastic that you found a totally gorgeous babe who is right for you. I've known very gorgeous women who were egocentric bitches. I'm stating the obvious: Her personality is, or should be a huge factor. We have all known very cute women, who were more 'attractive' than the ultimate extremely gorgeous woman who has a personality that is 'not right' for us. I often see guys who go wrong, by latching onto a beautiful woman, who turns out to be someone who is not appropriate for them. The guy often tolerates abusive behavior and justifies it by thinking that he's attained a mate with beauty that he values. Physical attraction is a no brainer. Instead, guys should focus on less obvious qualities, like kindness, joy, fun, honesty, respect, and adoration based on a multitude of qualities  Again, some guys will accept the first smokinhotkova that will have him.  Of course the inner qualities are the ties that bind.  It was these inner qualities that I fell in love with regarding my wife.  Early on in our relationship, I complimented her beauty and her reply was classic.  She said, "Yes, I am beautiful, so what?  There are many beautiful women and someday my beauty will be gone.  What I will have left after my beauty is gone, is what is important."  She also indicated on other occasions that her beauty didn't make her better than anyone else.  You gotta love a girl like that.  At least I do.

KenC

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[PeeWee]

It's been my observation that the more attractive the woman the lower her self esteem. I am speaking of AM. I'm not sure how this fits with Eastern European women. I have only two attractive RW to judge it by but both have high self esteem which seems converse to what I know about AW. What has been your observations with regard to RW, their attractiveness and their self esteem?

 

PeeWee