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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2005, 04:46:25 PM »
Interesting argument....

My experience with the SSA is otherwise...

Even with the good for one year EAD, my wife's initial SSN card had the "Valid for work only with INS authorization." notation on it.  So,,, clearly,,, there is the connotation of federal benefits associated with having a SSN if one is allowed to work in this country.  After she got the green card that notation was removed, she was, at that point, a "landed immigrant" and privvy to rights not previously available to non-immigrants.

I've now forgotten the point we were originally arguing about.  But it seems to me that a new K-1 girl is not/should not, be eligible for things like survivors benefits or death benefits should a K-1 fiancee die on her. There has to be limits on how much the Federal Government is willing to give away.

A wife is different, but a k-1, temp EAD getting a SSN should be a horse of a different paint job.  There's gotta be a rule on this stuff.

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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2005, 05:06:29 PM »
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Interesting argument....

My experience with the SSA is otherwise...

Even with the good for one year EAD, my wife's initial SSN card had the "Valid for work only with INS authorization." notation on it.  So,,, clearly,,, there is the connotation of federal benefits associated with having a SSN if one is allowed to work in this country.  After she got the green card that notation was removed, she was, at that point, a "landed immigrant" and privvy to rights not previously available to non-immigrants.

I've now forgotten the point we were originally arguing about.  But it seems to me that a new K-1 girl is not/should not, be eligible for things like survivors benefits or death benefits should a K-1 fiancee die on her. There has to be limits on how much the Federal Government is willing to give away.

A wife is different, but a k-1, temp EAD getting a SSN should be a horse of a different paint job.  There's gotta be a rule on this stuff.


I think the original point was the sequencing. K-1 (I-94) => EAD => SSN.

My point is that the EAD => SSN connection is NOT valid. It is entirely possible for the K-1 (I-94) holder to go directly to a SSA office and they will be granted a SSN - per the SSA Operations Manual (and my experience corroborates it).

jb, you mentioned earlier your understanding of the BCIS Ops Manual - and your queries of the local BCIS staff is VERY helpful. I wonder if the BCIS Ops (or Field) Manual is available on-line for review (like the SSA manual is)? Do you know?

I'll poke around a bit to see if I can find anything - as it might prove helpful to the guys to know what the BCIS is *supposed* to do. Whether they actually do it or not, is of course, an entirely different matter ;)

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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2005, 05:15:39 PM »
Found the USCIS Operations Instructions - here:
http://uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-45053?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm#slb-oi

A bit voluminous, but useful for understanding the finer points of the BCIS and their operational guidance.

FWIW

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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2005, 05:21:30 PM »
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Interesting argument....

My experience with the SSA is otherwise...

Even with the good for one year EAD, my wife's initial SSN card had the "Valid for work only with INS authorization." notation on it.  So,,, clearly,,, there is the connotation of federal benefits associated with having a SSN if one is allowed to work in this country.  After she got the green card that notation was removed, she was, at that point, a "landed immigrant" and privvy to rights not previously available to non-immigrants.

I've now forgotten the point we were originally arguing about.  But it seems to me that a new K-1 girl is not/should not, be eligible for things like survivors benefits or death benefits should a K-1 fiancee die on her. There has to be limits on how much the Federal Government is willing to give away.

A wife is different, but a k-1, temp EAD getting a SSN should be a horse of a different paint job.  There's gotta be a rule on this stuff.


One more comment - and then I am done for the month :)

As I understand the 'benefit' aspect of the SSN - if a K-1 holder is assigned a SSN while still a fiance - and their sponsor (the AM) dies prior to marriage - I would expect that K-1 holder to NOT receive any SS benefits. If they marry, and then he dies, I would expect the K-1 holder to then be eligible for SS benefits.

I recall reading something a while back that SS benefits are treated differently for a permanent resident versus a citizen. Maybe it is tax treatment that varies - I don't recall now. But in any case, I am pretty sure that the SS benefits are, indeed, directly tied to marital status - just as you suggested jb.

FWIW

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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2005, 03:30:56 AM »
Getting an FSU bride?

Alphabet soup!  Wow...

Veterns say that the best time in the process of getting an FSU mate is the search....after reading this thread I can see why!

American girls are looking better and better :)

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(On topic--for girl watching, the Paris airport is very nice!  In the states, it's hard to beat DFW :)
« Last Edit: September 07, 2005, 04:23:00 AM by Michelangelo »
The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark.  michelangelo

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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2005, 04:37:11 AM »
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Getting an FSU bride?

Alphabet soup!  Wow...

Veterns say that the best time in the process of getting an FSU mate is the search....after reading this thread I can see why!

American girls are looking better and better :)

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(On topic--for girl watching, the Paris airport is very nice!  In the states, it's hard to beat DFW :)


Do you need a translation key? :cool:

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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2005, 01:23:36 PM »
OK, let me confuse things more:

1.  An EAD is definitely not required for a SSN, just about everyone gets one these days just using the K-1 visa status.  

2.  JFK used to issue 90-day EAD's up until a few months ago, but now people are reporting that they no longer do this - so there is some question.

3.  Your temp. EAD and K-1 visa don't end at marriage - probably because it's the I-94 that really determines your actual status.

The question about SSA benefits is an interesting one, because the girl could self-petition her way to a green card if her husband suddenly 'bought the farm.' It's probably quite rare (at least we guys hope!!).

And oh yes, back on topic -  put me down for a negative vote on CDG. Although I made a 35 minute connection there last year, but on the return flight with 3.5 hours to spare, my bags were misplaced for 3 days.

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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2005, 01:32:30 PM »
Back to the original question...

I go to or through Europe 3 or 4 times per year.  I go out of my way to avoid CDG.  The bus service connecting terminals is frequently slow and crowded at the wrong time of day.  This means that a 60 minute connection can be an exercise in anxiety as you wait and wait.  My favorite connecting airports in Europe are Amsterdam, Frankfort, and Heathrow because they offer a wide range of flight options so that you never get stranded by a delay.  Plus, if I have to spend some time overnight, Amsterdam and London, where I have friends, are both fun places to be.  I was once stranded in London due to a blizzard in the NE, so I went to the West End a caught a play. 

 

 

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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2005, 07:44:17 AM »
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3. Your temp. EAD and K-1 visa don't end at marriage - probably because it's the I-94 that really determines your actual status.


I'm sorry to dispute this point since the other two were so correct.  However, the K-1 status and the temp EAD do terminate upon marriage.  Why?  According to the BCIS it is so because the lady is no longer a "fiancee", she is now a wife, the instant she said "I do", her K-1 visa offically died, and her status has changed to one of "pending AOS".  It may be a fine point, but an astute SSA clerk would deny issuance of the SSN after the wedding day because the woman, after marriage, and before AOS, is in a sort of legal status limbo.  That's why the provisions were made to issue the 1 year EAD and the AP travel documents.  Until she actually gets a GC, she has to have these documents to substantiate her legal presence in the USA and to allow her to travel back and forth should the need arise.

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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2005, 08:14:45 AM »
Yeah, I agree jb - just didn't word it good enough.

Technically her K-1 status ends at marriage, but the SSA will continue to issue a SSN up until about 2 weeks before her I-94 expires.  It's the I-94 everyone will go by.  All couples I know just trek on down to their local SSA office and get either another card in her married name or apply for an original one after they get married - I don't know of any cases (including mine) where she was refused because of marriage.

Also, the practically of the temp. EAD is that she can continue to work (all the reports I have ever read haven't questioned this) until her I-94 likewise expires.  It's the time between the temp. EAD and the 1 yr one that causes problems - the only way to avoid the break is to get married quickly and immediately apply for AOS.  Same is true for most driver's licenses.

The AP has little to do with the K-1 visa because it's unlikely she could exit during this time and return.

Unless someone has other knowledge, it is my undersanding that her legal status is quite firm so as long as the I-94 is good.  The grey area occurs if you do not file for AOS before the I-94 expires.  Aliens who are  "pending AOS" are also fully in status.

Sorry to get off topic.  BTW, Todd I second your choices for best airports in Europe.  My other rant about CDG is the lack of good signage - trying to figure out where/which dumb-ass terminal shuttle bus to use can be a real treat!
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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2005, 08:44:11 AM »
Brussels is ok and quite easy but your legs will be sore by the time you get to your gate.

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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2005, 08:44:29 AM »
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Unless someone has other knowledge, it is my understanding that her legal status is quite firm so as long as the I-94 is good. The grey area occurs if you do not file for AOS before the I-94 expires. Aliens who are "pending AOS" are also fully in status.


Quite right again, the problem is that the I-94 is valid only for the same 90 days as the K-1 visa.  Assuming a couple marries very quickly after arrival, say,,, at the 30 day mark, that leaves a very narrow window in which to file, and receive acknowlegement, of the AOS, EAD, and AP.  Further assuming a minimum of 2 weeks to get the receipt back, that leaves a maximum of 45 days before the woman, even though legally married, is "out of status".  Having the receipt for filing is sufficent to "prove up" her status until the other papers arrive.  Typically the EAD and AP will take 90+ days to process and the AOS will take up to a year or so, you can do the math as well as I can.  This why it is so important to file the AOS as soon after the wedding day as possible.  If a man waits until the 89th day to marry, he will literally be married to an illegal alien after day 90, and she is completely without status until he receives proof of filing the AOS.   If the fritters away more days before filing then he's inviting disaster because bad things happen to good people.  Imaging a car wreck on the Interstate and he leaves a widow without any papers.  It could happen.

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« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2005, 09:06:29 AM »
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Brussels is ok and quite easy but your legs will be sore by the time you get to your gate.

:D:D:D of if you have time, you can use the very long and slow walking tapis...

Me, i like Budapest... the perfect connection for several place in FSU... in each way, maximum one hour waiting... good service... and very friendly...

 

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