Correspondence w/gal from Samara

[Elen]

I'll bet you also believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy.

don't tell me they don't exist :X  I do have my gifts under my Christmas tree each year Who do you think put them there? ( THough I don't belive in Tooth Fairy anymore as I have fine denture now)

PS Does anybody ( except me of course ) believe THAT girl at the photo  has money for traveling to the USA?

[Bruno]

PS Does anybody ( exept me) believe THAT girl at the photo  have money for traveling to the USA?

All is possible, specialy in Russia... you have people who have nothing and people who are very rich in Russia... maybe the father of these lady is owner from some factory located in USA ... Why not, recently, i have read that Russian have buy American benzine station

 

[Elen]

then may be her father would be so generous to change wall papers in that hole where his daughter lives now?

[Bruno]

then may be her father would be so generous to change wall papers in that hole where his daughter lives now?

What is the problem with the wallpaper... i have already see more bad in Russia... the bedroom seem enough clean...

 

 

[Elen]

Nothing wrong except they are cheap and pasted at plywood partition I have another idea about living condition of those who pay by their own money for regular trips to the USA

[twyrick]

Haha....  I tend to agree about the wallpaper too!

But any recommendations of free sites to search for these Russian scammers?  I tried one site already and I found a couple of people wih her same first name (Evgeniya), but the photos they showed didn't match up - nor did the people's claimed ages.

I couldn't do much of a useful search at www.stop-scammers.com without paying them $14.95 first - and this isn't really something that's worth paying out money for.  I can start ignoring her emails for free.

Her email address she's using to send me stuff is kukolki@list.ru.  A search for that exact address via Google doesn't turn up a thing for me either.

[Michelangelo]

OK, guys-- she belongs to twyrick--so don't write her

[Photo Guy]

Don't send her money before you've met. (there are exceptions)

I disagree, there are no exceptions to this hard and fast rule.  If you wouldn't send money to an AM girl you haven't met living in the next State, why should you be expected to send money to a Russian girl living half way around the globe?  She's been getting along nicely before you started e-mailing, she doesn't need your money now, if she's for real.

This is insanity at work.[/quote]

I'm glad I sent her money for her train fare to Kyiv. No big deal.
I was willing to take that gamble at that point. Sending her flowers before you meet her is also an expense. No big deal. No huge gamble.

[jb]

The last sentence of my post is applicable.

[Photo Guy]

Admit it, jb. There ARE exceptions.

[jb]

I admit there are idiots who think there are exception,,,if the shoe fit....

[Photo Guy]

Clever..
...and there are idiots who believe there are no exceptions
to their blanket statements. If the shoe fits....

[jb]

PhotoGuy,

We both know where you are in all this, don't push it.

[Michelangelo]

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood,
      It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood,
             It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood,

Won't you be my neighbor?  

[Albert]

Elen, I love it!!  Leave it to a woman to notice flaws in the wallpaper.

What about the fact that this gal cannot afford to get a full length shirt and full length jeans.

[Albert]

twyrick, you say you are new at this game, and I believe it.

You are getting mostly good advice here about going slow and NOT sending her any money under any circumstances.

Do yourself a huge favor and spend several days reading most of the threads on this message board and on other similar message boards.

But, in the financial situation you find yourself, the biggest favor you could do yourself is to completely forget about these message boards and all women outside of your community.  Even forgetting about scammers, this pursuit of a  foreign gal can get you in way over your head financially.

However, if you chose to ignore such logic, then quickly learn the advantages of diversification.  Don't focus at all on any single gal, and particularly one who has chosen you out of the blue.  Go at it whole hog and round up about 100 gals to begin corresponding with in the same hometown.  Within a couple of weeks this will winnow down to 20 or so.  Then take a trip and meet with 10-15 of them.

[Photo Guy]

PhotoGuy,

We both know where you are in all this, don't push it.

1- You often know less than you think you know.
2- There are situations where it is perfectly fine to send money
    to a woman you have never met face to face, but have
    communicated with for some time.
3- I can't remember what I was going to write here for point
    number three.  ...Maybe something about a condescending
    attitude.  

[BC]

Photo,

Booked your flight yet?

[andrewfi]

[user=16]Bruno[/user] wrote:
Elen, with him or not, she have already plan the trip to USA...

Maybe it will be more cheap for her with him... no hotel and food to pay during her stay... a speciality from FSU woman here in Europa, it is the "sex holiday"...

FSU woman visit European man, she say that she love him, she meet him, stay 1 or 2 week for free, visit a lot of thing, make some chamber sport at night... return to FSU and you don't listen anymore about her...

Free holiday in exchange of a little sex... not realy a scam but woman who make this exist too...


A girl I know had this off to an art... She looked at flight schedules from the local airport and placed advertisements in newspapers near to destinations that she wanted to visit that were served by the airport. She had learned that the interent was full of scammers, both male and female and found the newspaper ads, followed by IM chat to be an inexpensive and very successful MO. She had many guys pitching woo, although I am sure the more sensible among them knew exactly what the deal was.
 

[Bruno]

A girl I know had this off to an art... She looked at flight schedules from the local airport and placed advertisements in newspapers near to destinations that she wanted to visit that were served by the airport. She had learned that the interent was full of scammers, both male and female and found the newspaper ads, followed by IM chat to be an inexpensive and very successful MO. She had many guys pitching woo, although I am sure the more sensible among them knew exactly what the deal was.

A good thinking woman :?... some of the men know the real reason but they don't worry to much... again the lust factor...

On the other side, i have already see ads from American man who are ready to marry a foreign woman in exchange of 10000$... the woman support all the expense, pay the man, marry... and two year after, she have the green card...

When i was a simple "customer" like several here, i have not know all these dirty thing... but since i was owner from a "agency", i have see a lot of bad thing on both side... they are only a few case but they disgusting me...

It will be time for a international regulation of the MOB business with strong rule... only so, honest people will be able to find a soulmate in all security... of course, it is too much ask... to much million $$$ in the game...

I noly hope that the situation in FSU go better, so the business go slow down and only motivated people will be engaged in it...

Sorry, for the off topic... but Twyrick need to know where he put his foot... in some days, he will know about these woman from Samara... but if he wish continue in the proces, he need to know that it is not the easy way, without any type of garanty... that in case of misluck, it can be very expensive... that a lot of time is needed...

 

[BC]

[user=16]Bruno[/user] wrote:
She had many guys pitching woo, although I am sure the more sensible among them knew exactly what the deal was.

..and probably took her up on the offer anyway.

[twyrick]

Yes, this whole thing is very new to me - but I did spend several hours last night reading other threads on this message board, and doing some other research too.

At this point, I'm 99% certain this "lady" is just another scammer (although it may be a brand new one I can report to the blacklists, since I can't find a match anyplace for all the photos I've received or anything like that).

I got more email from her last night, asking me for my phone number and so forth.  I went ahead and gave her my cellular phone #, as well as asked her specific questions about how she was able to obtain her tourist visa.  This morning, I got only a very brief letter in response, claiming she "didn't have time to write more right now" - and asked for my phone number again (obviously not even noticing I put it in my last email to her).

I guess what I'm finding most interesting is how much of a "game" this whole thing really is.  I've worked in the computer field for the last 12 years or so, and felt like I was pretty well educated on most of the scams out there.  (Everything from the fake PayPal and eBay requests for credit card information to denial of service attacks placed on non-U.S. based gambling and betting sites that are only stopped when bribery money is paid.)  But I had no idea this type of "foreign girlfriend" scam was so widespread and lucrative!

As far as money goes, I'm probably able to eventually swing 1 trip to a foreign country like Russia, if I had months in advance to plan for it and prepare for it.  I'd also be able to handle such things as $50 here or there in fees for document processing or what-not.  But I *don't* have money to be able to just waste on "playing around" ... sending gifts to someone who might not even be real and so forth.

It's regrettable that in a quest to meet a woman who is hopefully *not* so motivated by money and "what's in it financially for me if I get married to this guy" - all I seem to run into is a bunch of expensive game-playing throughout the process.

Maybe I should just stick to dating only American women who live close to me (which is what I've always done so far).  But so far, it seems like it's exceptionally rare finding one who isn't one of two basic types.

Either 1.), you get the women who are motivated by the money or idea that settling down with a guy will let them finally quit working, or 2.) you get the women who really *don't* care about money - but they're unrealistic artistic or "dreamer" types that don't have their own lives together, much less really being ready for the responsibilites that come with a long-term partner.

twyrick, you say you are new at this game, and I believe it.

You are getting mostly good advice here about going slow and NOT sending her any money under any circumstances.

Do yourself a huge favor and spend several days reading most of the threads on this message board and on other similar message boards.

But, in the financial situation you find yourself, the biggest favor you could do yourself is to completely forget about these message boards and all women outside of your community. Even forgetting about scammers, this pursuit of a foreign gal can get you in way over your head financially.

However, if you chose to ignore such logic, then quickly learn the advantages of diversification. Don't focus at all on any single gal, and particularly one who has chosen you out of the blue. Go at it whole hog and round up about 100 gals to begin corresponding with in the same hometown. Within a couple of weeks this will winnow down to 20 or so. Then take a trip and meet with 10-15 of them.

[BC]

Twyrick,

If you are a computer savvy, write bad english but can think romantically then you might be in business.

If I were to write a 'get rich quick' book it would likely be based on the RW 'industry'.  

[Bruno]

I guess what I'm finding most interesting is how much of a "game" this whole thing really is. I've worked in the computer field for the last 12 years or so, and felt like I was pretty well educated on most of the scams out there. (Everything from the fake PayPal and eBay requests for credit card information to denial of service attacks placed on non-U.S. based gambling and betting sites that are only stopped when bribery money is paid.) But I had no idea this type of "foreign girlfriend" scam was so widespread and lucrative!

Twyrick... since you have already some knowledge in computer, have you check the header from her e-mail and control her IP... this can allow you to know her provider... several scammer use false information... they say to live in Samara but the origin of e-mail are from a other city... basic check easy to make...

The FSU scam don't need receive a lot of money... if she have a relation with 10 man who send each month only 50$, this make 500$ month... the double of a standart monthly income in FSU.... now, imagine 25 man who send 100$ to the same woman... 10 monthly income !!! And the bonus is the American man who send several thousand $$$ in a few month :?

[twyrick]

Bruno, I just examined the "long headers" of the emails I got from her.

All of them appear to be coming from the same source:

X-Header-Overseas: Mail.from.Overseas.source.194.67.23.121

Oh, and she just tried to call me (so I guess they finally read the part of my email where I gave my cellphone number).  I purposely hung up on her the first time, and then let it roll over to voice mail.  She left me a somewhat lengthy voice mail message, repeating several times that she was sorry she didn't get to hear my voice, and told me she was traveling (by bus) to Moscow tomorrow to pick up her visa and couldn't write me again until she got to Moscow - but would try to call again tomorrow when she was there.  (Inconsistencies already, because her last email stated that she'd call me around "17:00 hours".  However, it was neither 17:00 hours my time, nor Moscow time when she called?)

This is just interesting enough that I think I'll keep playing along, and see what else happens.  Maybe I'll try to record her phone message to a .WAV or .MP3 file and post it someplace to share....   (The woman who called really didn't sound like she had the right voice to be the woman in the photos.  Might help someone else who is getting scammed?)

Twyrick... since you have already some knowledge in computer, have you check the header from her e-mail and control her IP... this can allow you to know her provider... several scammer use false information... they say to live in Samara but the origin of e-mail are from a other city... basic check easy to make...