Something Amazing

[LevG]

Does this love meet my needs for intimacy, passion and commitment? Have you explored what is important to you? Is this a wise relationship? Do you have enough in common to make this work?
Do you know enough about this person? Has there been full disclosure of relationship history, lifestyles and the realities of their life? Have you followed up on hunches that gave you reservations about your email partner?
Do you share a similar spiritual outlook?
When you receive a reply read the person’s ad. If you can see a photograph all the better. But do not make snap judgments. The beauty of online dating is that it allows time to take a breath in between dramatic episodes. It is easy to decide against someone because the known is safer. A relationship is stretching yourself outside your comfort zone - that is what is so exciting and rewarding about it. Many a relationship starts off in battle simply because the gulf between them seems too huge. However, the attraction is there because of that huge gulf. A gulf you must pass over to understand the other viewpoint that is so important for your personal growth.
Having a partner is a tremendous opportunity for "seeing self" - the places where you are not accepting show up, the places where you judge show up, the places where you love and don't love show up. It takes real perspective and clarity to remember that your life is about expressing your "self identity". Everything and everyone in your life is there to allow you to see yourself and your belief systems. What a partner is committing to is not to feel "love" all the time, because feelings come and go; but committing to love the partner, no matter how they're feeling, committing to seeing the partner as whole and complete, no matter how they are behaving.
So - take you time at this stage. There is a lot to learn.
Allow www.Dream-Marriage.com to provide you with the ability to meet that special someone in the privacy of your own home.

[AnastassiaAsh]

Website looks good, only all the ladies are tens and somehow it doesn't feel real.

Did anybody use this agency? Any thoughts?

LevG where are you in Canada from? Care to share your successful marriage story? 

[viking]

AA
I agree. Even looking at the "more mature" women,, they are all 9 annd 10's. And all the photos are, or seem to be, professional. Maybe Levg can tell us a bit more here? Unfortunately, even if an agency can verify that a person is real (she exists and lives where she says she does) does not mean she has a decent heart or soul.

[Admin]

Does this love meet my needs for intimacy, passion and commitment? Have you explored what is important to you? Is this a wise relationship? Do you have enough in common to make this work?
Do you know enough about this person? Has there been full disclosure of relationship history, lifestyles and the realities of their life? Have you followed up on hunches that gave you reservations about your email partner?
Do you share a similar spiritual outlook?
When you receive a reply read the person’s ad. If you can see a photograph all the better. But do not make snap judgments. The beauty of online dating is that it allows time to take a breath in between dramatic episodes. It is easy to decide against someone because the known is safer. A relationship is stretching yourself outside your comfort zone - that is what is so exciting and rewarding about it. Many a relationship starts off in battle simply because the gulf between them seems too huge. However, the attraction is there because of that huge gulf. A gulf you must pass over to understand the other viewpoint that is so important for your personal growth.
Having a partner is a tremendous opportunity for "seeing self" - the places where you are not accepting show up, the places where you judge show up, the places where you love and don't love show up. It takes real perspective and clarity to remember that your life is about expressing your "self identity". Everything and everyone in your life is there to allow you to see yourself and your belief systems. What a partner is committing to is not to feel "love" all the time, because feelings come and go; but committing to love the partner, no matter how they're feeling, committing to seeing the partner as whole and complete, no matter how they are behaving.
So - take you time at this stage. There is a lot to learn.
Allow www.Dream-Marriage.com to provide you with the ability to meet that special someone in the privacy of your own home.

LevG,

Please take a moment and review the Agency Code of Ethics (found here -> http://www.certifiedmarriageagencies.org/index.php?pid=2), and let us know if you subscribe to the ACoE.

As an outgrowth of our efforts at RWD to promote honesty and integrity amongst agencies, we would like to know your organization's adherence to the ACoE.

Thanks!

- Dan

[SANDRO43]

Did anybody use this agency? Any thoughts?

Nastya, Lucent did so recently (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8056.msg146366#msg146366) and was puzzled about receiving 90 replies to his ad over 2-3 days .

Also rather curious that LevG should suddenly pop up out of the blue with his self-promotional post right after Lucent's .

[Shadow]

LevG I see that at 09:00 in the morning there are girls online in chat and video. Are they getting paid to sit there at this time ?

[Admin]

Open question to RWD members.

This member, LevG, appeared yesterday to promote his agency. Shortly thereafter, we had another new member who asked a question about the same agency. And shortly after that, we had a clear case of spamming the board for this same agency from a new member with an odd username (a well-known website), and was in violation of several provisions of our ToS. That latter 'member' is now sidelined.

My question is - when we see something as suspicious as this - should we leave the URL of the website in place? If we do, that website gains *some* benefit by being indexed with Google/Yahoo etc. While we have ALL links set to _nofollow (which means the Google/Yahoo benefit is minimal), there is some benefit they receive and it is questionable (to me, anyway) whether we want to reward such unscrupulous behavior in any way.

What do you think?

- Dan

[SANDRO43]

Actually, the sequence was (my times):

1. Lucent1123 - Dream-Marriage site «on: Yesterday at 02:50:14»
2. LevG - Something Amazing «on: Yesterday at 20:03:56»
3. Lucent1123 - Re: Dream-Marriage site «Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 21:47:41»

Don't know about the "new member with an odd username". Anyway, not a further peep from either of the above so, if LevG makes no reply to Dan's post, I'd remove his link.

[Shadow]

I think that the products/services exchange is for active and participating commercial members.
If someone wishes to promote their agency RWD has enough options. They may not be free but on the other hand it saves them answering a lot of questions.

[OlgaH]

This really is  something amazing

A dream form the "Dream Marriage": Russian women don't care about an age difference.

It doesn't matter if she is 19y.o. and you are 65 y.o., because she promises that you will feel very comfortable with her and she will be a good company  So tempting offer
http://www.dream-marriage.com/18209.html

[SANDRO43]

It doesn't matter if she is 19y.o. and you are 65 y.o., because she promises that you will feel very comfortable with her and she will be a good company  So tempting offer

Thanks for the tip Olga, I'm 65 and she's a Philologist (and a Scorpio to boot ), a match made in heaven .

[OlgaH]

Thanks for the tip Olga, I'm 65 and she's a Philologist (and a Scorpio to boot ), a match made in heaven .

I hope you will send me a wedding invitation. I would like to see that show I even will write a nice speech wishing you a happy family long life in love and mutual understanding 

[OlgaH]

An end of a fairy tale :"They were living together happily for a long time, and they died on the same day... from orgasm... she in the morning, and he...  along toward evening"      

[SANDRO43]

An end of a fairy tale :"They were living together happily for a long time, and they died on the same day... from orgasm... she in the morning, and he...  along toward evening"    

Best way to go, but I'm puzzled by the timing: was he a delayed-reaction type ?

[OlgaH]

Best way to go, but I'm puzzled by the timing: was he a delayed-reaction type ?

Who knows...  may be Dr. Sigmund Freud  or in his case it was abuse of viagra? 

[viking]

Why do I get the feeling that this is not a woman I would travel thousands of miles to visit, even if I was 25yo?

[Admin]

BTW - LevG visited RWD and this topic yesterday, August 5th. His silence is noted.

- Dan

[ConnerVT]

Is it a site policy that only businesses that conform to ACoE are allowed to post their URL link and advertise on RWD?  If this is not policy, then since it is posted in the correct sub-forum (Products/Services Exchange), it should remain, unmodified.  All of the subsequent posts, discussing the business, as long as they follow the site guidelines, should also remain.

Other posts/topics, those that are suspect of being shill posts for this business, should be deleted if it is in the Moderator's discretion that they are dishonest in intent, and their only purpose is to shill for the company in question,

That's why you make rules, right?

[Admin]

Is it a site policy that only businesses that conform to ACoE are allowed to post their URL link and advertise on RWD?  If this is not policy, then since it is posted in the correct sub-forum (Products/Services Exchange), it should remain, unmodified.  All of the subsequent posts, discussing the business, as long as they follow the site guidelines, should also remain.

Other posts/topics, those that are suspect of being shill posts for this business, should be deleted if it is in the Moderator's discretion that they are dishonest in intent, and their only purpose is to shill for the company in question,

That's why you make rules, right?

No, we are not making rules that penalize an agency owner if they do NOT subscribe to the ACoE, although we do have some benefits for those who do subscribe.

As Shadow said, the purpose of this forum is for our active members who are also Commercial Members to be able to periodically advertise their products/services. It is also, of course, for regular members to exchange any products or services of interest to other members.

It was never intended for a new member to come to RWD, never having made ANY contribution to our community, and to shill for his agency with the aid of other new non-contributing members.

I am of two minds as to whether the topic should stay, which is why I raised it to the members. On the one hand, if it stays, it will act as a reminder to everyone of the less-than-honest behavior this agency used in shilling its site. However, if it stays, that site will receive some benefit from the search engines - and I question if our community wants to reward, even implicitly, the types of behaviors we witnessed from this agency.

To a small extent, I lean toward leaving it. Still interested in seeing what others feel about it.

- Dan

[Jack]

Regarding this poster and this agency.


I could ramble on with what little I know about this agency but hoping to learn a lot more, and using this agency.

Most of you guys around for any length of time know I'm always looking for good agencies to work with.  This agency caught my attention probably close to two years ago. It did not take long for me to realize that their was some funny looking business going on here, such as all these 18, 19, 20 year old babes having interest in much older men. 

I started doing a little more looking and research.  What I found out was that their is a single owner of this site, a lady, from So. California.  Their are a LOT of affiliate agencies who are part of the overall operation.  The lady who started this agency had, and has, the best of intentions.  Over the past few months she has learned that their is a LOT of scamming going on by many, most, of the affiliate agencies.

Here is what I think. The lady who owns this site is a Russian woman, happily married, with child. She lives in So. Cal, she is originally from Moscow.  She had the best of intentions when she started this site. She is naive as to the amount of scamming that is going on. She is becoming aware as to the amount of scamming that is going on.

In May while on tour in Lugansk one of our clients was at an internet cafe. It was very late, like 2am. A lot of our guys don't get in till 2-3-4am so not unusual for them to be up and doing things. While online he saw a girl that he knew who was also on line. He thought it was strange she was up so late, so he called her. He woke her up. He asked if she was online and she said no, she was asleep. This guy could tell she was asleep and that he woke her up and told her he would call her later, she said fine.

This client is also from Southern California. He knows the owner of Dream Marriage. The time in California was like 4pm, still early, so he called the owner, told her that he could see her friend was on-line but in reality she was sleeping, he just called her.  The owner, she now went on-line, she went to this site, saw the ladies light was on indicating she was online and wrote the woman, she identified herself and asked this person to identify themselves. No reply. The owner said they had 5 minutes to identify themselves or the agencies would be removed from her program.  Five minutes pass, no one replies back. The next day the owner of Dream marriage removed this Lugansk site from her program.

I have recently been able to get contact information of this owner. She knows I want to communicate with her and she has expressed a desire to communicate with me. She knows their is a problem with what is going on. She KNOWS no 19 year old girls have a real interest in 60 year old men, she knows this.  At this very moment she, her child and husband have just left for a one month vacation.  I will not be able to communicate with her much, really don't want to while she is on her vacation, but I do look forward to talking and working with her.

I believe she is an honest business owner and I would like to help her but for right now, their are to many scam affiliates who are part of her organization. 

I will try to keep everyone informed as to what happens over the next few months but my
advice right now would be to tell everyone to be very careful.

[ConnerVT]

As Shadow said, the purpose of this forum is for our active members who are also Commercial Members to be able to periodically advertise their products/services. It is also, of course, for regular members to exchange any products or services of interest to other members.

It was never intended for a new member to come to RWD, never having made ANY contribution to our community, and to shill for his agency with the aid of other new non-contributing members.

(emphasis mine)

Regardless of intent, that isn't what you have posted in your guidelines:

The poll ran for more than a week and seemed overwhelmingly in favor of allowing advertisers to post on the board, provided they post their advertisements in a specified section of the board.

Toward the bottom of the board, you will now find the "Member to Member Exchange" section.

I want to draw the distinction between those with commercial interests and those who are individual board contributors. For example, I count Jack (of FirstDream) and Kevin (of khersongirls) and Stirlitz (professional translator) as commercial posters for the purpose of posting in the Exchange section. These are just a few examples. I am pretty certain the commercial posters among us know who they are.

Commercial posters are asked to make a contribution of free services in return for the opportunity to advertise on the board. Simply drop me a PM with the service offered, and I will keep an 'inventory' of services that are available to be given away in the "Freebie" section of our board.

Any individual with something small - like an electronic translator for sale or some Pimsleur tapes - may post those items with nothing expected in the way of a contribution to the board.

OK - a couple more qualifiers:

Please do not abuse the board by spamming it with hourly/daily/weekly advertisements. I would imagine a post or two per month should be sufficient.

Because this board is intended to promote (or at least allow) commerce between members of the board, I am going to be FAR less inclined to moderate disputes.

Caveat emptor - and enjoy!

- Dan

Because of some recent blatant advertisements, I need to add that ALL topics/posts in this section of the board must at least be indirectly related to the theme of RWD. Posted topics which are far afield of the RWD theme will be summarily removed without notice.

I see no mention of "Active Member" in the guidelines.  I also have not seen a definition of what exactly constitutes Active Member status.  Number of posts?  Length of membership?  Ratio of posts to length of membership?  I used to post often, then didn't post for quite a few months.  If I was also a Commercial Member, would I have lost my Active Member status?  Marc Dayton hasn't visited RWD since Feb. 2007.  Would his post be questioned if he had something to advertise?

Just playing the role of devil's advocate here.  I appreciate your efforts to establish a set of rules.  I just like to see them applied objectively.

[Admin]

Regardless of intent, that isn't what you have posted in your guidelines:

I see no mention of "Active Member" in the guidelines.  I also have not seen a definition of what exactly constitutes Active Member status.  Number of posts?  Length of membership?  Ratio of posts to length of membership?  I used to post often, then didn't post for quite a few months.  If I was also a Commercial Member, would I have lost my Active Member status?  Marc Dayton hasn't visited RWD since Feb. 2007.  Would his post be questioned if he had something to advertise?

Just playing the role of devil's advocate here.  I appreciate your efforts to establish a set of rules.  I just like to see them applied objectively.

Comments are much appreciated Fred. And glad to see you back BTW.

Yeah - those posting rules are pretty dated. More than 3 years ago, I think. I need to freshen them up when I get the chance.

In any case, I used the term "Active" to mean just about anyone who has made more than a single post - with that single post to shill for his site.

What you probably did not see was the 5 (or more) posts I removed from the companion that registered and then posted the same message about the DM site in various forums. It was THAT, that convinced me we were dealing with a SPAMMER, and led to my raising the question in this topic.

If LevG had replied to my questions when he/she visited yesterday, I would have taken a different direction - but that silence, in combination with these other activities led me down this path.

FWIW

- Dan

[SANDRO43]

Regarding this poster and this agency... their is a single owner of this site, a lady, from So. California. 

Jack, this begs the question: then who on earth is this LevG allegedly from Canada ?

At this very moment she, her child and husband have just left for a one month vacation.

... an over-zealous deputy holding the fort while she's away ?

[OlgaH]

... an over-zealous deputy holding the fort while she's away ?

right from Canada

[ConnerVT]

I had seen some (and I went back to look for them when I wrote my earlier post) but you were too fast for me.  

My thought is (if you don't have the shilling), where would the appropriate place for a new Commercial Member to make his introductory post?  Right here, of course.

Let's say my name is Bob, and I own GetScammedNow.com.  If I post that I own a business, and tell you all about it in the Introductions and Icebreaker sub-forum, people would immediately begin to howl that I'm promoting my site in the wrong place.  I could be more tactful, say I'm Bob, not mention my company's name (or even the business I'm in), then later on, I'll be accused of deceit and subterfuge.

So, as Bob the businessman, the proper place for my first post is here, in Products/Services Exchange.  I tell you who I am, where you can find me, and about the 1001 ways we'll steal your money.  Under your existing guidelines, my post should stand, regardless of anyone's personal feelings regarding if what I do is right or wrong.  Of course, the 37 pages of posts that follow my introduction should also stand, as long as the following posters follow the site's Conduct Guidelines.

Does this make sense, or am I just rambling?   ???

(Anyway, I stuck my head back in for awhile, as like AJ and others, it is the summer season, and the house is empty at the moment while the family visits.  I was searching old threads for some things, and got sucked into a couple of new ones...)